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Would Jesus Occupy Wall Street?

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Jesus Would Be Occupying Wall Street
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"Jesus went into the temple courtyard and began to throw out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold pigeons." Mark 11:15

Monday the Pope condemned the "idolatry of the market" and called for global wealth redistribution, asking nations of the world to participate in an "ethic of solidarity."

The pope who is the spiritual leader of 1.2 billion people, called for creation of a "global public authority" and a "central world bank" to regulate the world's financial institutions. He also said "If no solutions are found to the various problems of injustice, the negative effects that will follow on the social, political and economic level will be destined to create a climate of growing hostility and even violence, and ultimately undermine the very foundation of democratic institutions, even the ones considered most solid."

The note on financial reform from the Pontifical Council also said "On the basis of this sort of ethical approach, it seems advisable to reflect, for example, on: a) taxation measures on financial transactions through fair but modulated rates with charges proportionate to the complexity of the operations, especially those made on the "secondary" market. Such taxation would be very useful in promoting global development and sustainability according to the principles of social justice and solidarity. It could also contribute to the creation of a world reserve fund to support the economies of the countries hit by crisis as well as the recovery of their monetary and financial system…" http://www.thenation.com/blog/164194/occ...

Of course the teachings of Jesus have always advocated that the rich should give away all of their possessions and help the poor.

Drew Smith points out three reasons why Jesus Condemns the rich and favors the poor.

1. Jesus was born into poverty, and he chose to continue to live in poverty as an adult. He felt a deep sense of belonging among the poor, and he clearly embraced and identified with those who were economically oppressed in his society.
2. Because he so closely associated with the poor, Jesus witnessed firsthand the tremendous gap between rich and poor. This gap was the consequence of the rich gaining their wealth through oppressing and neglecting the poor.
3. Jesus believed he was ushering in the kingdom of God, and he called all who truly sought the kingdom to give up the possessions that hindered them from entering God's rule. His statement about the difficulty of the rich entering the kingdom of God implies that Jesus believed the poor were more receptive to the message of God's present rule.
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/three-reasons...

The sentiments of the Occupy/ 99% movement was strengthened recently with a new study that showed that the income of the 1% increased 275% in the past 30 years while the bottom 80% saw their incomes decrease 2-3%. http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyi...

The polls indicate that 86% of the people think that Wall Street has too much influence with politicians and 80% of the swing state voters think the rich should pay higher taxes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06...

Meanwhile the Republican Party is going in the opposite direction. They want to remove all restrictions on Wall Street, all but 13 have vowed never to raise taxes on the rich for any reason, and most of the presidential candidates are pushing flat taxes that would give the 1% huge tax cuts while taxing the middle class more. http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/26/24...

I don't think there is any doubt that Jesus would be out there with the Occupy Wall Street Folk – probably in the kitchen tent handling bread and fish.

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19 months ago: You may have a point.

Jesus did seek out the flotsam of society, ie. tax collectors, Christian persecutors, etc. to help spread his word.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: If Jesus was poor, which he wasn't, he wouldn't be on Wall St. demanding that they give him money. That would be counterproductive to the whole "Give away your worldly possessions and follow me" message.

Now, if Wall St. was a Temple built for the worship of God, then he would probably go in there and clear it out, including all of the atheist hippies that have set up camp. As it is though, Wall St. is of the world.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: I'm not one party or the other. It has to do with what is right for the people. It has to do with unemployment Box. It has to do with the reality that people can't find jobs. But if Jesus was rich, he worked for it. He was a carpenter, but it is said he was poor and considering those times, I doubt if he were a rich man. He was a humble man who didn't care about richess. He cared about the people, and he died for them. No one in Government reflects that they care. You don't have to agree with OWS, but you can't deny the reality of what is happening to the economy and the countrymen. Too many people are angry. That has to say something. People have to be respected for their right of freedom of speech and protesting what they feel is hurting our country. That is who we are. We speak out and stand up for our rights. It is only going to get worse, if there isn't a resolution to make things better. How are they going to handle that if it gets to a point of being out of control? Will they start shooting? Hopefully not.
This is an email I received this morning: What is going to happen to our Seniors if they dismantle Medicare and take Social Security. Well, the children don't have jobs, the seniors can't live. What will this mean? It means a poverty stricken country, only made for the affluent.
http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=231766&i...

The Republicans have a longstanding desire to dismantle Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. But according to recent news reports, a majority of Democrats on the Super Committee just proposed their own plan to reduce the deficit that included slashing Medicare benefits by $200 billion.1
It's hard to image how the Democrats on the Super Committee could be any more out-of-touch or wrongheaded.
In the face of massive unemployment, rampant foreclosures, a sputtering economy and widespread anger that the country is systematically prioritizing the needs of the ultra-rich and wealthy corporations over the needs of the other 99% of us, the Democrats who support this plan think the best thing to do is make it harder and more expensive for seniors and the less fortunate to get medical care.
Tell Harry Reid and the Democratic senators on the Super Committee: Absolutely no cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits. Click here to automatically sign the petition.
We need to make sure Democrats understand that rather than supporting benefit cuts, it would be better if the automatic cuts specified in the legislation that created the Super Committee are triggered. But we have an uphill fight.
Reportedly, the benefit cuts plan proposed by the Democrats on the Super Committee had been agreed to by President Obama in negotiations with John Boehner over raising the debt ceiling.
This means we can't rely on President Obama vetoing a bad deficit reduction bill that makes it out of the Super Committee and passes Congress.
It also means the best way to stop a bad deal is to build so much political pressure at the outset that it never gets off the ground.
Tell Harry Reid and the Democratic senators on the Super Committee: Absolutely no cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits. Click here to automatically sign the petition.

http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=231766&i...

The Democrats' plan was rejected by the Republicans because it included some tax increases. But the proposal demonstrates an alarming willingness to cave on core economic issues despite the vital role Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security play in our s
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: There would be no dignity left if people didn't stand up for what they feel is right. You have to have an understanding of the Christian faith, People need to eat and clothe themselves. The way the Government has it they took that away from them. Jesus is saying to have faith. He also wanted those that followed him to have nothing to hold them back from his ministry. Remember, there is no one left to fight for the people. There is no leader like Jesus who cares about the people. Jesus is not here physically to fight for the people, but he gave us the knowledge and know how to stand up for ourselves.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: And a group funded by the communists is the way to go?
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: There are so many groups out there some good some bad.
It is the overall accomplishment and right now it is jobs. In Russia during the Cold War, weren't the people all sitting around getting drunk and not working and depending on a socialist Government to support them. We don't want to be taken over by a One World Order. That would be a Hitler Regime. People protesting is the way it has always been. Take that away and what is left? You are always going to have some crazys involved who take advantage and who give things a bad name because they infiltrate where there is vulnerbility. Our Government put this on the people. I don't think the people have much choice.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: I thought that freedom of speech was protected. Communists have just as much of a right to voice their opinions as anybody else.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: I didn't say that communists don't have a right to speak their opinion. I just think that all of the "useful innocents", to borrow a term from von Mises, would hightail it out of there if they knew what was actually being discussed behind closed doors. The planned chaos has brought in thousands of confused and misguided sympathizers, who would be in for a rude awakening should their goals be met.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: They are not asking for people to give them money...they are pointing out the fact that the balance of wealth in America is grossly out of whack.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Right. They are fighting back. All along people have been ignored which can make tempers flare. It reached its boiling point. In the news, all you hear about is that they still want to take everything away.
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19 months ago: The rich haven't taken any wealth from the poor. They have simply created new wealth. The poor of today live 20 times better than the poor of 50 years ago. These Occupiers problem is that they think wealth and happiness is relative. Just because 1% can afford to live like kings does not mean the remaining 99% are any worse off for it.

If it comes down to the taking of another man's wealth, I'll pledge a vow of poverty. If I can't get it honestly on my own, I don't want it.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: I thought Jesus loved everyone. I thought Christianity was about love and peace...so how is throwing out the Atheist Hippies following that?
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: I think that AMERICANS are out there no matter who or what they are or what faith or beliefs they have. They are making a stand together.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Following again on the heels of the rhetorical argument that Jesus would go to Wall St. and start overturning the money changers' tables the way He did in the Temple. I don't think He would look very kindly on a bunch of unwashed blasphemers setting up house and defiling His Temple.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Also, Jesus was a Jew. Not only Christians are out of work.
I guess that wouldn't apply then to give away your worldly possessions.
19 months ago: Nice piece. I can appreciate the sentiments expressed here.

However...

"Of course the teachings of Jesus have always advocated that the rich should give away ALL of their possessions and help the poor."

Please chapter and verse that mandate. I bet you cannot do it.

There is nothing wrong with having money. The problem is when money becomes our god. That is a big problem in the world today. Greed and selfishness, hedonism and moral relativism are the philosophies that make the world go around.

This whole planet is under the control of the enemy. The true enemy being unseen. (Luke 4:5-7)

"Has God really said...." (Genesis 3:1)

That little phrase has run this planet into the ground. There is a clear path that we should all be on but one after the other, we choose the broad path to destruction. (Matthew 7:14)

"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. NO ONE comes to the Father, but by Me." (John 14:6)

That so-called, narrow-minded statement is the one that will save your life.

Jesus was not destitute in his eathly life, neither should we expect to be.

He and His disciples hade money becuase they were known for giving to the poor. You cannot give what you do not have.

The Lord Jesus is still and advocate for the poor. However He has made the way so that we do not have to be poor any more. (Det 8:18)

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)

Anyone who comes to Him he has guaranteed to meet their needs. (Matthew 6:33). As a joint-heir with Jesus we have all the resources of heaven available to us. We are to be blessed to be a blessing.

First step is to repent of your sins and make Him the LORD of you life. Without that first step, one can quote scriptures until the cows come home it will make zero difference in the long run.

Jesus does not take sides, He takes over. (phillipians 2:10). Every knee shall bow unto Him.

If folks are not willing to repent of thier sins cnd come to Him and receive Him as Savior and Lord, it's all a mute point.

There may be temporal benefit from cherry picking csome of His teachings but there will be no eternal value and that is just a shame and a waste in the end.

Would Jesus occupy Wall Street? New flash: He already has.

And He has occupied it not just to draw attention to corporate and government corruption either. It's an occupation to draw people unto Himself so that they migh have eternal life and not die in their sins.

Cleaning up corruption on Wall Street and elsewhere is importasnt. However, it is small potatoes compared to knowing where one will spend eternity.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Good answer.
Jesus was very wise in his young years.
There is nothing wrong in having money, but there is only so much you can eat and drink. There is only so much you can buy without being overly indulgent.
Many people who make a lot of money understand that the privilege of having it is to give back. Many contribute to charities and helping mankind. The movement on Wall Street is a spiritual event and the teachings of Jesus has sparked it. People coming together to help each other.
There is a dark shadow on this planet, and as long as we have Him, we won't perish.
19 months ago: Is the "Market" your "Temple". If not then why would you need to compare it to Jesus turning over the "market in the Temple"? Big, big difference. But I'm sure you already knew that.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: Box has been buying the propaganda that the 1% is feeding their propaganda machine. There are no communists in the Occupy movement, nor have they received any money from them.

The Occupy movement is just outraged that the rich and the corporations have taken over the government and all of the government's policies work to benefit them at the cost of the other 99%. In the last 30 years the 1% have increased their earnings 250% while the lower 80% actually lower incomes.
At the same time tax rates for the 1% have declined so they are now the lowest they have been in 60 years. All of that lost revenue was either shifted to the middle class or else was just added to the national debt.

At least in the past the robber barons at least produced something, oil railroads etc. These new robber barons make their money from inventive financial inventions, derivatives, hedge funds, gambling on foreign currency. They use super fast computers and predictive algorithms to buy stocks when low and fifteen minutes sell them higher and earn millions. None of those things do anything but take money out of the economy. It is a huge ponzi scam and when it collapsed the entire economy went with it. But they got bailed out and we ended up paying the bill, so in a very real sense the 1% has stolen that money from the 99%. It would be fair to have a financial speculation tax to get a tiny percentage of it back.

For the first three hundred years after Jesus died his followers actually practiced what he had preached. They lived very simple communal lives and were totally non violent they even refused to defend themselves when attacked.

The Wall Street market has become a temple for the worship of money. They have that big bull in the street, but they should have painted it gold . They worship mammon. "No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

—Jesus, Matthew 6.24 = Luke 16.13 NLT
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: occupywallst.org was registered July 14, two months before the demonstrations began, by a Los Angeles privacy service that shields the owner's identity. However, it has been learned that the website is owned by Kalle Lasn, a Canadian communist.
Lasn's utopia is far from that of most Americans. He recommends "Not just a carbon tax, but a global across-the-board pricing system." An example of life in this brave new world? "Your private automobile will cost you, by some estimates, around $100,000. And a tankful of gas, $250." So not only is he a communist, but a New World Order communist.
His organization, Adbusters Media Foundation is an anti-consumerist organization founded in 1989 in Vancouver, British Columbia. The Foundation describes itself as "a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age.


The second official website, nycga.cc, is owned and operated by Vladimir Teichberg, another known communist.

Also involved, Stephen Lerner, an SEIU board member and radical-left organizer who candidly aims to "destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement"; "bring down the stock market"; "bring down [the] bonuses" of executives in the financial sector; and "interfere with their ability to ... be rich."

And of course everyone has heard of Wade Rathke. According to journalist Aaron Klein, the September 17 New York City protests apparently represented "the culmination" of a campaign by Wade Rathke, founder of ACORN and president of an SEIU local in New Orleans, who in March 2011 had issued a call for "days of rage in ten cities around JP Morgan Chase."


19 months ago: Box does not have to look any further than the OWS website and follow the links to find this page http://afgj.org/?p=1787#more-1787 ..."no communists in the Occupy movement"?
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Don't allow your justified disenchantment with all that we are facing to be used against you...because that is what these people do. They create the situation, then use that to move people (useful innocents) who are angry about it to progress THEIR cause. They do not care what you want or think, they want to bring on a communist style Utopian warped societal system where YOU are going to be a good worker bee in the hive they create and manage while they lord over you from their elitist lofty position.

If you think things are bad under a capitalist society? ...look at all the failed miserable communist regimes... and I'm fearful that we ain't seen nothing yet.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: Box I would be interested in reading some links that you are getting your information from. Thus far everything I have read about Occupy indicates that they are not run by any organization communist or otherwise. They have no organization and resist any attempts to steer them one way or the other.

I have been working trying to get them to organize so they can start turning all of that energy into political action and it is frustrating because there are no leaders to take responsibility (or to blame) It is just a collection of people and everything has to be decided by the very cumbersome but egalitarian consensus process.

No one and No organization is authorized to speak for Occupy. They have allowed the Alliance for Global Justice to handle the money but the AFGJ is not communist and even if they were it doesn't mean that the occupy movement is because there is no one to influence. To turn the 99% of the people of the nation into communists you need organization and leaders. Occupy have none.

Often you guys on the right assign the term communist or socialist just by association. Using your logic I could likewise argue that you and Michelle Bachman and the Tea Party are all socialists because you and they all opposed the overthrow of the socialist Libyan regime, and thus the Democrats and Obama are the only anti communists around.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: "..To turn the 99% of the people of the nation into communists ..."

Actually what I said was that if most of the people attending the rallies knew that they were being organized by communists, they would high-tail it out of there. "No organization"? Do you think these people all accidentally showed up at the same time and decided amongst themselves to form a movement?

This information is out there for anyone who wants to honestly look for it. But here is a link to get you started.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/group...

Kalle Lasn has received substantial grants through the Glaser Progress Foundation, and even more substantial gifts from the Tides Center, which is in effect, a money laundering organization for people who want to donate money to another organization anonymously. Wade Rathke is the Chairman of the Tides Center, and a board member of the Tides Foundation. Here is information on Rathke's call to arms, dated August 19, 2011. http://haroonhaider.com/tag/rathke/
"The upcoming protests, replete with a planned tent city in downtown Manhattan, is closely tied to the founders of ACORN and leaders of major U.S. unions, including the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU. "

Then a veritable laundry list of communist/anti-capitalist (is there really any difference?) speakers at the rallies.

"THOUSANDS of Comrade Obama-endorsed "Occupy Chicago" protesters cheer open communists at their rally last night in downtown Chicago. Later on 175 of the Obama-endorsed protesters were arrested for trespassing. Let the dumb comments saying there is no communism involved in these protest begin."
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b4b_13188...

"The Occupy L.A. speaker who cheered "Long live socialism!" advocated using violence, as in the French revolution, because it "made fundamental transformation, but it was bloody." He went on to advocate such a bloody revolution here in the U.S. saying: "So ultimately bourgeoisie won't go without violent means. We'll have the revolution yes, revolution that is led by working class. Long live revolution. Long live socialism." He was cheered on by members of the crowd."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymo...


Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: Thanks for the links describing Adbusters. I was unaware of the organization but it seems like a very worthwhile organization that does good things. It is not socialist or communist though.

In fact the biggest donor to Adbusters is a Republican and a former vice chairman of the New York Mercantile Exchange. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/1...

But Adbusters doesn't have much influence over the occupy movement. Because there are no leaders and no organization adbusters representatives are no better and no worse than any other citizen that shows up and their voice is just one of the many that has to reach consensus.

You assume that this is some top down communist plot, but it is a global bottom surge of anger at all of the power structures favoring the top 1% so they are very resistant to forming any power structures or being influenced by any existing organizations.

This is totally different than the Tea Party organization which from the beginning was organized by right wing Republican operatives and funded by the Koch Brothers and other right wing billionaires. Since the Koch brothers are dealing with Iran, your guilt by association would indicate that all Tea Partiers are Muslim Terrorists, and since they opposed the overthrow of the socialist Qaddafi they are also Socialists.

The members of Occupy cheer all kinds of speeches many of them from anti Obama and anti Democrat speakers. That doesn't mean that the entire movement has adopted a socialist agenda or anti Democrat or anti Obama agenda's. They are not even against capitalism or big business. They are just against unfairness.

Yesterday I marched with the Occupy Salem Or. folk, and talked to a Republican Ron Paul supporter marching there. We are America and we want our country back from the 1% who stole it and our rights.

So far the only agenda they have agreed on is that the entire economic, and political system is rigged to favor the 1% at the expense of the 99%.

Your attempts and the attempts of the right wing propaganda machine to demonize the Occupy/99% movement is bound to fail.

When you call all of the people who think that Wall Street has too much influence, Communists, you are calling 84% of the people in the country communists.

When you call all of the people who think the rich should pay their fair share communists you are calling 80% of the people communists including a majority of Republicans.

In poll after poll the many hundreds of demands the Occupy folk express are the demands of the vast majority of the people. http://www.huliq.com/3257/americans-want...

When the elections come, the Republicans might be surprised, because their insistence on policies that only help the 1% at the expense of the rest are bound to turn away anyone that is rational and not living in the delusional world of the right wing.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Al, nice try. But you are again missing my original point. I never said that the majority of those at the Occupy rallies are communists. I said that the organizers, the movers and shakers behind the rallies are communists.

The man in your article is not the largest single donor to Adbusters, the anti-capitalist organization. The Tides center has donated almost $400,000.

You are probably correct that Halle Lasn doesn't have much influence over the direction of the Occupy movement anymore. His idea was to topple capitalism by starving it to death, with National Buy Nothing Day on the Friday following Thanksgiving, and Buy Nothing Christmas. Never mind that that, if successful, would also starve a lot of American workers.

The occupy movement may be a bottom surge of anger, but it is not a force of its own. It is being channeled by the likes of Rathke. The dozens of openly communist speakers at the rallies, playing on collective behavior, are getting ovations when speaking of a bloody revolution.

So once again, I am not calling the average Occupy attendee communist. I am stating that the Occupy Movement was orchestrated by communists/anti-capitalists.

The same thing went for the TEA party Movement. Except that it WAS a grassroots movement, that was hijacked by the Republicans.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: But we are moving from the point of the post. The Occupy movement is basically a movement that encourages Christian Values. Anyone that opposes the Occupy Wall Street can not base their opposition on Christian values or Biblical rational.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-may...

The ones who attack the Occupy movement are those that worship Mammon.
19 months ago: And Jesus made the blind see.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: And Jesus did make the blind see.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Isn't the OccupyWallSt. Movement being attended by those who not only worship mammon, but covet that which their neighbor has, also?
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Ah, I see. Those evil Wall St. Traders don't live the Christian life, or embrace our values, so it's up to us to force them to live up to our Christian standards, so that we can have more of what they have.

Gotcha.
Out Of The Box
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19 months ago: Not everyone at the OccupyWallSt. is confused. This guy I would like to buy a steak dinner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFZrNSa3b...
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19 months ago: And then again, some are very confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7o...
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Aside from the mentioning of Jesus and Christianity, those of us who stand by American people's values want what is best for our country.
People protesting for rights and equality aren't confused. If there are other groups there that are said to be influencing this movement's purpose, what are they going to do about it.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: Box the point is there are no movers and shakers in the Occupy movement. It is just a bunch of folk wanting to move the country back to a nation of, by, and for the people, as the founders intended, instead of the current system which is of, by, and for, the 1% and the corporations.

These are your neighbors, friends, and relatives. We are America and we want our country back.

Many of the 99% are only a paycheck or two from becoming homeless themselves. We want to return to economic fairness and justice, which is the only way to have freedom and economic security.

There are no leaders, but anyone is welcome to come and express whatever views they have. The homeless are also welcome and the movement helps feed and protect them, because no one else is, and because that is the Christian thing to do.

sunny2
sunny2
18 months ago: Al, very well said. The entire point is to show that people won't be walked on.
Bloomberg was on last night with his predecessors. Of course, Bloomberg said that the people shouldn't blame the banks and that it was Congress allowing people who could not afford mortgages to acquire them. He said they should concentrate on the future and getting jobs. What a cop out. The x Mayor of NY, Koch, was for the people, and someone I admire, got pretty mad and said of course the banks are to blame and explained.
18 months ago: Bull Dung. What a load. You get your comments to post direct from the freaking SEIU? You folks need some serious help...
sunny2
sunny2
18 months ago: I don't understand. I'm really trying to see your point of view, but you don't really say much.
Without being rude to you, honestly are you an American citizen?
Why would you say that we folks need some serious help when we want to see our Country back to where everyone is able to hold a job and reach their goals in life. Isn't that normal?
Could you explain.
sunny2
sunny2
18 months ago: What is the perfect America to you?

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