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Will the real RantRave Ted Williams please standup!

Posted 14 months ago|46 comments|761 views
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Let's begin by asking the question. Who, what, when, where and why is there a RantRave Ted Williams? Too many questions you say? By no means is that too many questions. On the contrary it is not enough questions.

Will the real RantRave Ted Williams please standup? No?

OK. I thought not so let's look at some very puzzling items that can be easily found and beg the question. Here are links to the only two items you need to visit.

Make sure you look very hard at the dates and (mostly) the timestamps.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Man-with-th...

Currently holding 8,664 hits with 4 comments.

On what date was that article posted? It's hard to tell because this site does not post article date. That would be a question that the site needs to answer. My guess is on or just before January 23rd.

Look hard at the timestamps on the following link.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ted-Willia...

How is it that Ted Williams's first Facebook post was a link to the above article? Ain't that strange? You think Ted Williams follows RantRave to the extent that his very first post on his new Facebook page would link to a RantRave article?

I wonder how many more bogus links there are out there floating around?

Isn't it odd that Teddy has not posted on RantRave after I revealed this information last weekend?

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Whos-for-di...

Have fun spinning this one.
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14 months ago: my man.

(i'm getting there.)
14 months ago: Welcome back from your history tour.
14 months ago: Back on topic...Who, what, when, where and why is a Ted Williams RantRave posted on the Ted Williams Facbook page as it's first entry? Some might say....

For those 200,000 followers of "Teddy".

Yeah. Right.

I would like to see the site post a date and a time that the following article was submitted......UTC........

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Man-with-th...
14 months ago: Cypress you have my Vote for Moderator. We may not agree politicaly, but I do love it when find these things out.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: This has been gone over a time or five.
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Dealing-wit...
14 months ago: Now that is funny. For those that get it.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Happygolucky posted a whole string of links dealing with this, supposedly linking an author with plagiarized material and other websites pointing here. The fact that eight out of ten of the top rants and raves are owned by the same author indicates that said author is definitely bringing in traffic.

Our own ChrisD did the exact same thing a while ago and nothing was said. In fact, he was a moderator at the time.

OK, so probably she set up a fake facebook account to drive interest and hits on her story about Ted Williams. Is it illegal? Only if Ted Williams chooses to litigate over unauthorized use of his name and image. A public figure has very few rights in that regard. I saw several thousand Ted Williams facebook pages, so apparently there are a lot of people doing it. Is it morally wrong to parade as someone else, and try to profit from their misfortune?
14 months ago: Short answer...yes.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: I happen to agree.
14 months ago: ONLY Answer YES
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
14 months ago: I think it would be a violation of the Facebook code of conduct:

"you may not.."

"register for more than one account or use or attempt to use another's account, service or system without authorization or create a false identity on the Service or the Site"

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Yup. It does point toward certain character values.
14 months ago: So if a RantRave Author is found to have violated the Code Of Conduct on another website, in this case Facebook, is it safe to assume that they will violate the rules on RantRave as well?

If a RantRave author is PROVEN to have plagiarized from other web sites and copied information from them directly to RantRave those posts should be removed and the author warned.

If a RantRave author continues to spam RantRave they need to have their account deleted and their IP address blocked so they cannot re-register under a new name and continue to spam RantRave.

I thought that was going to be part of the refocused efforts in cleaning up RantRave in order to get back on Google News yet I don't see any of that happening.

The Cypress Gang, among a few others, has been remarkable in being able to sniff these kinds of people out and expose what they are doing. Cypress has explained in great detail about SEO White Hat vs. Black Hat and how Link Wheels work. We know what they are doing and how they are doing it, yet these RantRave authors remain on the site.

Yes, these kinds of people can bring a lot of traffic to RantRave, but they are not promoting RantRave. They are not posting original content. They were only trying to scam the system to get more money from Page Views and Ad Clicks. I think once they are exposed that they need to be dealt with in order to maintain some integrity on RantRave.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
14 months ago: Plagiarism and link wheels aren't the same thing.  The former is obviously disallowed and moderators routinely delete such posts; if you see a post that is plagiarized, flag it but don't imply that we allow it here.

As for link wheels, Alex Layton needs to provide clarification as to whether it's allowed here or not.
14 months ago: Well there is this Rant, which was proven to be plagiarized, or at least if the author is the same on both sites, copied onto RantRave directly with a backlink at the end.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/99ers-Need-...

Cypress pointed it out in this thread…

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/RantRave-Go...

…and I posted both links to compare…
"15 hours ago: You mean these two?
http://www.publicrecordsdetectivesjourna...
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/99ers-Need-...
Just for fun and to prove Cypress knows what he is talking about I Googled the first paragraph in quotes"

RantRave should be all original content. If the above author is the same on both sites they could have wrote a short opinion and linked back to the original story and not simply copied and pasted it here on RR.

I was not implying that RR allowed plagiarism, only that some posts that appear to have been plagiarized are still on RR after being exposed as such.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
14 months ago: If you thought it was plagiarism, why didn't you flag it? But let's keep the definitions straight - reposting an article that you wrote is not plagiarism and Alex Layton has allowed people such as Rudi Stettner to repost articles to Rant Rave from their own website.

Speaking from personal opinion, I believe that no article should appear on Rant Rave if it was published previously on any other website. The reason being it's too difficult to determine originality / permissions of use, making case by case exceptions is confusing since they get lost in the shuffle, and it gives the appearance that Rant Rave is selectively enforcing it's policies. But ultimately, it's up to Alex Layton to make the call here.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: I believe the current test is making sure that your article appears on RantRave first, and then with a sufficient time lapse, can be re-posted on alternate sites.
14 months ago: I agree with Mark. Reposting is not plagiarism. It could be considered SPAMMING though.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
14 months ago: ...I believe the current test is making sure that your article appears on RantRave first, and then with a sufficient time lapse, can be re-posted on alternate sites...

That would be nice if it were true but Alex has allowed it the other way around on a case by case basis.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: So, if you post to RR, should we forbid you from posting to you own blog later?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: I'll try to address a few issues mentioned above. If I miss anything that you feel needs attention, I feel confident that you'll let me know.

First, the facebook page linked in the post is to a "fan" page. A fan page never claims to be a specific person and anyone can create a page about anything. It can't have "friends", but you can "like" it. Someone already said this, but there are hundreds of "fan" pages about Ted Williams.

Second, even if a rule was violated, you can't prove who did it. I agree that its unusual that RantRave was the first link, but its not impossible.

Regarding blogs, it is true that we have allowed people to post on their own blog, as well as RantRave. It is a different story if they are writing here, as well as posting to 15 different sites. This isn't going to change, because, as stated, how do we determine if a blogger posts on our site first, then their own?
14 months ago: People are convicted and sentenced to prison terms everyday in these here United States on circumstantial evidence. Guess someones standards are lower...
14 months ago: If you Like a Facebook Fan Page anything posted on the Fan Page Wall is also posted on the Walls of the people who Like the Fan Page. I feel that is wrong to create a Fan Page for the sole purpose of redirecting people to an AdSense site like RantRave just to run up Page Views and Ad Clicks.

Granted, nobody can prove that it was smartygirl that created that particular Fan Page, but what are the odds of a random Fan Page picking a smartygirl RantRave post as their very first FB post, followed by a follow me on Twitter post. There has been nothing since that first day, so what was their point of creating the page? I "Like" a lot of pages on Facebook and they are always posting updates, but not this one it was a hit and run.

It was Cypress that discovered the "original" post that justlogic copied. That is why I did not Flag it. I looked, but did not see a screen name associated with the original post so maybe they are the same person, but then again maybe not.

Look at these pairs

http://www.publicrecordsdetectivesjourna...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Hey-Con-gre...

and

http://www.publicrecordsdetectivesjourna...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Mr-Presiden...

and

http://www.publicrecordsdetectivesjourna...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/99ers-TIER-...

The question is WHY does somebody need to post the same thing on 15 different web sites?

My opinion is RantRave should have ORIGINAL content and if RR Authors have their own Blogs they can post Links to that Blog without copying the whole Blog on RR.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: I was saying we do not allow posts that have been copied to 15 different sites, even if they are the original author. On the other hand, if RantRave was the first of the 15 sites, there isn't a whole lot we can do about that.

Regarding justlogic, he is the original author of his posts. He, like Rudi or Ian Forbes, writes articles on his blog, and also posts them to RantRave.

You're right. People could include a link in their blog to the content on RantRave, but how do you enforce that?
14 months ago: How do you enforce that?

Spell it out. Any post that is a re-post from another post on another site other than RantRave should had the following disclaimer...

This post is a re-post that was posted elsewhere (maybe many times) and the only reason for posting it here on RantRave is because this site has a better chance that this post (along with my backlink(s)) of being picked up by any and all search engines. The only reason I re-posted (spammed) this post is to get a higher search engine hit result (and a few hits on my original page/site).

Wow! How about your hard effort on SEO working for them? Dang....Free Links.....a Dime a Dozen....
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: That's not what I asked. My question is how do you stop someone from posting original content on RantRave, then posting that same content on their own site?

When they posted on RR, it was original and, therefore, not violating any rules.
14 months ago: Uh? Require a 48 hour no compete/no re-post/no-spam clause on full articles. Can't play with those time stamps. If they try, then they are busted and bounced.
14 months ago: "When they posted on RR, it was original and, therefore, not violating any rules. "

You know that for a fact 100 percent of the time?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: Good lord, cypress. That was a hypothetical.
14 months ago: I thought so.
14 months ago: How do you stop them?

Simple, in the RantRave Rules post that RantRave is for ORIGINAL Content ONLY and Authors are allowed to link their Blogs back to RantRave. Have this disclaimer appear under the banner as well so everybody knows.

If somebody on RantRave spams the site with copied or duplicate content and proof is brought to the attention of the Mods and Admin then it is up to the Mods and Admin to remove the post and if needed delete the Author.

RantRave is YOUR site Alex, so if you don't want that type of activity on it you and your Mods can enforce it.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
14 months ago: A couple of questions for clarification. If a moderator is checking an article and they find it's already published to one other website (we'll presume it's the author's personal blog or other web presence), that's okay?

Assuming yes, if the moderator finds that the article is already published to more than than one website, that's not okay or does it have to be 15 or some other number greater than 2? What's the exact cut line here?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: If I find it on a single blog or website, I will leave it, but contact the author to verify they are the original author. If it is published in more than one location, other than RR, then I'll remove it.
14 months ago: If a Moderator finds duplicated work they can't know it's the same author unless they use the same Name/Screen Name on both sites. You say that it is justlogic's content on the other site, but I do not see his Screen Name on that site, only RR.

Again I ask why does ANYBODY have to repost the same Blog/Post/Rant in 15 different web sites? My very first Rant was a copy of my original work on two other web sites, but I modified it at the end and updated it with new information on RantRave that I did not update on the other sites. Since then all my RR's are original and I link back to some of them from other sites. I post links on two or three, but sometimes four or five sites, most in Facebook Comments regarding similar stories. I'm not spamming it all over the place.

If we get back on Google News they won't know what is original and what is spam either and they might just kick RR off Google News again. That's why I think RR needs to have an "Original Content Only" disclaimer in the Guidelines and on the Banner.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: Cully- Stop being such a putz and wasting time worrying about other peoples business and start taking care of your own.

Get a job.

Do you know one thing could be holding you back from finding a job?

Your comments and articles here, spreading venom not only towards writers here.
But you also attack employers you have had in the past and those you have applied to.

Company's do background checks and that includes internet use bozo.
Does this make you look like a team player and a responsible thinker? no.

Does this fly a flag you could be a major problem if hired?, yes.

Company's do not cut sales people that are heavy hitters, work on your skills, not your venom.

Because the fact you were in sales and cut loose is a big red flag to start with to potential employers.

Any background check is going to turn up your trash.

Company's avoid hiring problem people.

Good judgment is not really in the the hand your holding right now.

You use your real name here and all the trash you talk shows lack of good judgment and a lack of ability to get along with and work with others.

The internet is forever, so if you really want a job, you should act like it.
The internet is not private, it is broadcast to the world.

What would you say if a potential employer asked you about all of this nonsense?
Stop spending so much time looking like a clown on the internet and look for a job.

14 months ago: These comments just keep getting better and better.
14 months ago: So justlogic is that why you are afraid to use your real name? Your "original" web site did not turn up on a Google search is that why you spam, I mean repost it on RantRave? What if YOUR employer knew you who you were Online, what would they think about your writings? I guess that's why people like you hide behind Screen Names. I think it sort of makes you look like a hypocrite to talk that way about me.

Venom? I have not lashed out at any other Authors here, only pointed out a few facts. I never called anybody any names. I never started any flame wars with other members. Putz? Is that all you got? Did I ever call you a name? No, so why do you feel the need to call me one? "Sticks and stones…" remember that phrase?

RantRave is not holding me back in finding a job and when RR got booted from Google News, my writing disappeared. You're right the Internet is forever, but if Google is not indexing you, nobody finds you. Was it my writing that was keeping me from getting a job or is it the 12% unemployment rate and too few jobs to go around? It could not be the fact there are 20 or more people applying for the same job, of course not so it MUST be my RantRave posts almost nobody sees.

The First Amendment gives me, and you and everybody else, the right to Free Speech. RantRave is Published Opinion. I have as much right to be on here as you do, yet you don't see me bashing you about yet ANOTHER 99'er thread. You have 36 posts on RR and 18 of them have 99'er in the title. Is that all you can write about? I guess so because one of your posts was called "99ers Blog! Blog! Blog!"

Are you really questioning my judgment, really? Why, what have I done wrong? I can't see it.

Hey Cypress, do you think I've done something wrong here?

14 months ago: Nope. Pretty much straight forward. For lack of a better term "Stand Up".

Don't take my impressions to heart though. I'm the site jerk.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: How am I a hypocrite for telling you using your own name is not a good idea, as a matter of fact it is as dumb as a rock.

Looking at my email, it looks like you spent a good portion of your day going after myself and my site, so yes, that is venom and I think RR is a distraction to your work search.

It really makes you look like a bozo when you chase around the site with your buddy looking for ghosts, you seem to be a follower certainly not a leader.

That is probably why you do not try to develop your own site, but if your going to be on the web anyway, you may as well start developing a site, leave the shallow end and see what happens.

As far as what I write about, get ready for a 100 or a 1000 more 99er articles, whatever it takes.

I feel bad for you and everyone else that is unemployed, I think, I have made that clear. Why do you attack people that try to help?

You have made various ridiculous accusations, you don't know what spam is or plagiarism and you certainly do not understand copyright or business.

You go on with a long spin of how RR should do things and then you say, its your site Alex run it they way you want to.

I think he is already running the site the way he wants to, but I'm sure he appreciates your permission.

RR needs content and the currant system of obtaining it, is mutually beneficial to both the authors and RR.

RR gets content and authors can promote their work and that work includes author websites.

Btw, have you heard of branding or pen names? its the latest rage.
14 months ago: OK justlogic, maybe you're not a hypocrite, although I was fairly sure I used the word correctly. Maybe I should have used the word Coward, as I'm not ashamed to put my name on what I write. I'm certainly not a "bozo" nor am I following Cypress around the RR site. Maybe you are not proud enough of what you write and have to hide behind a Screen Name, I understand. I'm not the only one brave enough or proud enough to use my real name on RantRave.

I really can't wait for "100 or a 1,000" more of your 99'ers articles just like the last 18 you posted. Because that is just what RantRave needs right now, more 99'er stories. You are not sorry for the 99'ers, you see them as a meal ticket. You write about 99'ers on RR and backlink to your other site, Public Records Detectives Journal that Google seems to ignore.

"There are 9,053,822 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Publicrecordsdetectivesjournal.co.cc."
Source: Alexa.com.

Should I follow that formula in "developing a site" for myself? I don't think so. I don't post on RR for money or fame, I do it because I enjoy writing.

I wonder what you know about "branding or pen names" and I wonder if these guys know you are using their name?

http://www.justlogic.com/

justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: Oh look, I just found out, I'm trendy somewhere. I'm a legend in my own mind.
http://www.twitter-trends.de/fr/fascism....
14 months ago: I will say justlogic that I am sorry and apologize for accusing you of plagiarizing from that other web site. There is no author credited on that site so I did not know it was you.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: Any of my content that you see anywhere else has an email that comes back to me. When in doubt email the author that is how your supposed to do it.

You for got to mention I have a Google rank of zero. Using your logic I should just give up. But as I see it, RR has a Google rank of 3 and has been around a couple of years, so I am catching up.

You are confusing JustLogic.com with justloic, but you can send them an email if your really concerned.

I do not use my real name to protect me from internet stalking, and you are dancing on that borderline.


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justlogic
justlogic
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14 months ago: No, I am not stalking you but the comment about my wife was way out of line John. I do not use her or MDPD to look things up online, she is not a part of my profile on RantRave. It was as simple as putting your e-mail address in a Facebook search, that was it. You are not as bright as you think you are.

So who is stalking who now? You had a dig up a lot to find out that little tidbit. Perhaps I need to forward this link to MDPD as you are now threatening one of their employees as well as her spouse.

Hiding behind a screen name does make you anonymous. I have left you alone John, I suggest that you leave me and my family alone too.

Govern yourself accordingly.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: You have it backwards you started stalking me and posting my information,how much time did you spend doing that over the last two days?

Send the link to MDPD if you like.
14 months ago: Hey Cully. It is just a form of psychoticlogic. Not to worry.

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