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What REAL Revolution Looks Like

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Thingviller Ancient Iceland's Parliment
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
After Obama was elected there was a lot of talk on the right about revolution, and taking the country back. They were afraid the socialists would take away their freedom and to counter that they proposed Neoliberal economic policies.

According to Wikopedia "Neoliberalism is an approach driven by the market for economic and social policy based on neoclassical theories of economics that emphasizes the efficiency of private enterprise, liberalized trade and relatively open markets, and therefore seeks to maximize the role of the private sector in determining the political and economic priorities of the country."

"Neoliberalism seeks to transfer control of the economy from public to the private sector,[3] under the belief that it will produce a more efficient government and improve the economic health of the nation."

"Iceland began implementing neoliberal economic policies beginning in the late 1980s. As measured by the Economic Freedom of the World, it had the 53rd "freest economy" in 1975 and it was one of the poorest countries in Europe. In 2004, it had the 9th freest economy and it was one of the richest.[57] However, by 2009, the country was bankrupt, a consequence that a number of observers have attributed directly to Iceland's adoption of neoliberal economic policies." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberal# Scandinavia

Iceland privatized their banks and began lending money over the internet at very cheap rates. Unfortunately it did that by borrowing the money. In 2003 Iceland's debt was equal to 200 times its GNP, but in 2007, it was 900 percent. In 2008 with the global economic collapse, the banks failed, the Kroner lost 85% of its value, and the nation of Iceland declared bankruptcy.

Europe wanted to take over Iceland's three and a half million Euro debt. In return they would require austerity measures that would mean each Icelandic citizen would have to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest.

The people in Iceland didn't think it was fair that all of the citizens in the nation would be required to pay for their private bank's mistakes. They protested and held demonstrations and forced the government to resign. New elections in April 2009, resulted in a left-wing coalition which condemned the neoliberal economic system, and in a referendum in March 2010, 93% of the people voted against repayment of the debt.

The new government "launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country."

Then the country did something extraordinary. The people with input from a thousand people over the internet drafted a new Constitution. http://stjornlagarad.is/other_files/stjo...

Here are some of the best parts:
Article 6.
Equal rights
We are all equal under the law and shall enjoy our human rights without discrimination, such as due to gender, age, genetic character, place of residence, economic status, disability, sexual orientation, race, color, opinions, political affiliation, religion, language, origin, ancestry and position in other respects.
Men and women shall enjoy equal rights in every respect.
Article 22.
Social rights
All shall be assured of the right to an adequate standard of living and social security.
All in such need shall be guaranteed a right by law to public social security and public assistance, such as due to unemployment, childbirth, old age, poverty, disability, illness, permanent impairment or similar circumstances.
Article 23.
Health services
All shall have the right to mental and physical health to the highest standard possible.
All shall by law have the right to an accessible, appropriate and adequate health service.
Article 24.
Education
All shall by law have the right to a general education according to their ability.
All subject to compulsory education shall be offered such education without charge.
Education shall be adjusted to the general ability of each individual and be in line with critical awareness of human rights, democratic rights and duties.

The people of Iceland used peaceful protest to overthrow their neoliberal government that had wrecked their economy and remade their entire government. That is what real revolution looks like! http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/i...

This may be the wave of the future. People at Stanford created a web site where the people in Egypt can start to create their own new Constitution. By the time the revolutions of Arab Spring are done we may have half a dozen nations crafting new Constitutions.

Perhaps Greece, Italy, and the other countries that are being asked to undergo draconian austerity programs to repay their debts should use Iceland as a model? Maybe that is why the corporate media here doesn't talk much about Iceland. http://www.truth-out.org/why-iceland-sho...

In this country when Bush's neoliberal policies destroyed the economy, Bush bailed out the banks that caused it, but the people were not asked if they wanted to pay the bill for the bail out. The 1% controlled the government and the 99% didn't get to have any say in the decision.

When Bush doubled the national debt with two wars, tax cuts and Medicare giveaways to big pharma, he just put it on the credit card and he just added the $700 billion of TARP onto the bill. Now that the right wing has handed Obama the bill for their profligate policies, they are insisting that the 99% pay for the mistakes of the 1% who benefited from those policies.

Now the Occupy movement is protesting the unfairness of the entire economic and political system that benefits only the 1% but asks only the 99% to pay their bills. Perhaps it is time that the 1%, who controls all of the money, pay off the bill for their own bail outs with a financial transaction tax? What comes next? How about prosecuting our own bankers responsible for the economic collapse? How about re-writing our own constitution to bring back our democracy and restore the government to one Of, By and For the 99% instead of the corporations and the 1%, as our founders intended?

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5 months ago: Alt- Agree. It is past time here, "to overthrow their neoliberal government that had wrecked their economy and remade their entire government."

How about prosecuting our federal, state, and local officials responsible for the economic collapse: Well paid puppets like Bush, Obama, Holder, Bernanke, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, etc. They make laws that say 'no laws apply to them'.

We want our economy, property. liberty, and freedoms back.
We'll overthrow this government to restore our Constitution and the rule of law.
And we'll prosecute.
I prefer a trail, like Nuremberg.

But by new Dem rules, at the secret stroke of a king's pen, they can be hunted down and killed globally without trial, right? And the supporting media is subject to "Clinton Rules of Engagement for Serbia", right? (Media bombed in their homes.)

Better hope the Constitution is restored. Because by the new lefty rules- It will get ugly.
5 months ago: Bill Clinton's 1999 Rules of Engagement for Serbia included as legitimate targets of deadly force -- the politicians, the news media, and the intellectuals that shape and support the enemy's war policy.

Before Clinton, political leaders, media, and talking heads were not considered legitimate targets. It was Clinton who loosened the ROE to include them.

These are known as the "Clinton Rules of Engagement" and have been used by american forces since then, in ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Pakistan, Libya.
5 months ago: What does a 'real' revolution looks like to lefties?
'Raging progressives' and 'altruists' like Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot hadrevolutions.
What did their 'real' revolutions look like?

Didn't they kill over 100 million of their own countrymen, 'for their own good'?
5 months ago: Regarding Iceland:
Iceland is trying to avoid paying for the bank/political corruption, and paint a smiley face on it. Your "best parts" cited above- cost money they don't have.

No revolution at all, just another dose of hoplophobia and avoidance of responsibility, kicking the can down the road.

Regarding Arab Spring:
With the help of our first muslim president; those countries are imposing Sharia, and all the feel good women's rights and due process and tolerance that comes with it.
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5 months ago: "How about re-writing our own constitution to bring back our democracy and restore the government to one Of, By and For the 99% instead of the corporations and the 1%, as our founders intended?"

I thought the founders intended it to be Of, By and For the 100%. I don't want a Democracy, I SIMPLY WANT FREEDOM. So if more people want democracy, they can vote away my freedom from having to do what the majority has been convinced is the best thing.

Democracy is a craps shoot. Those that advocate democracy are those willing to gamble that they can get 51% of the people to agree, for the express purpose of getting what something that they want.


Such as in Iceland, where the UK wants to recover the money they have loaned the Iceland government. Now that the people of Iceland have rejected the second referendum on Icesave, the UK will have no recourse but to take them to court.


5 months ago: If Iceland owes money to a bank, it goes to court.
If Iceland borrowed from the Queen or the UK Treasury itself; then England gets to colonize Iceland. Kick their **** and take their gas. Deadbeats will pay.
Neither collectivism, rainbows, unicorns, nor Hoplophobia will save them.
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5 months ago: Iceland's situation reminds me of Cinco de Mayo, the Mexican holiday commemorating not paying your debts. Sure they whupped the French army that day, but it didn't stop France from taking over the country and putting their own Emperor on the throne in Mexico city.

If it weren't for pressure from the US and criticism from the French government, Mexico would probably still be a part of France today.
5 months ago: "How about re-writing our own constitution to bring back our democracy and restore the government to one Of, By and For the 99% instead of the corporations and the 1%, as our founders intended?"
-Altruist

Our Founders supported 'natural law' and the 'right of individual men', NOT 'collective man'.
Our Founders crafted a Republic, NOT a democracy.

Ponder this:
If two men vote a third into slavery, he is justified in resistance.
If a thousand do likewise, the one may still resist.
If two hundred and thirty million voters consign one person to slavery, he is justified in resisting by any means available.


No matter what is legislated, no matter what voters decide, you are free.
Only you, through conscious choice, can change that.

Government cannot grant rights.
Rights must be secured from tyrants and bought with blood.
Government cannot take away your rights.
You must choose to give them away.

We only have the rights we are willing to defend.
We only have the rights we are willing to kill and die for.

All those Icelandic dreams Alt shares are collectivism: They cannot pay for them willingly, so they deign to try and take money from others with threat of violence.

"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience."
- John Locke

Absolved.
It's what we explained to the Tories and their mercenary army of enforcers.

We will restore the Republic, and put an end to lawless collectivists stealing from the producers.

Ponder this bed-time story:
http://arcticpatriot.blogspot.com/2011/1...

"Sic Semper Tyrannis"
Always.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Iceland is an example of what revolution should look like because it was totally bloodless, and because it was the common people taking power from the bankers and the oligarchs.

Are they just avoiding being responsible for their debt? Did they create the debt or did the banks?

It is time for the nations of the world to eliminate the phantom wealth of the banks and go back to REAL wealth.

The 4 banks in the US that were bailed out by Bush still have $256 Trillion worth of derivatives on their books. The total GDP of the entire WORLD is only $60 trillion. So what is that $256 trillion? It is phantom wealth. It doesn't exist except on the bankers books. It doesn't have anything to do with the real world. It was simply an invention by the 1% to steal the Real wealth from the 99%.

Real wealth is when people actually make things that people can use. Real wealth is food people can eat or clothes they can wear. Real wealth is the wages from 8 hrs. of hard work. Phantom wealth is when a hedge fund manager makes 1000 times as much as the hard worker. It is not just compensation it is all made up.

So when Iceland's bankers ran up a horrendous debt, that was just phantom wealth and now they want the people of iceland to repay the phantom wealth with Real wealth. Why should they?

Greece has the same dilemma. If they agree to the austerity measures "Greece will become much smaller. It's public lands will be given off to the debtors and it's assets will be sold off for pennies on the dollar. And it's economy already small – will become negligible. All it's brains will drain to other countries and it's citizens will become subjects of others where they will be migrants and servants of other flags."

"If the Greek politicians choose to default and softly restructure the debt now, they will get maximum help and they have a good chance of riding the upward swell to growth and economic prosperity and sovereign respectability. Just look at Brazil and Argentina today, a few years since their own restructuring." http://panokroko.wordpress.com/2011/06/2...

So what happened when Argentina and Brazil restructured their debts? Brazil is one of the fastest growing economies in the world at 7.5%. Argentina had a growth rate of 8% in 2010.

The International bankers and the IMF want the debtor nation to sell off all of it's real natural resources, to impoverish the people, and to sell off the possibility of any future to repay their phantom debt.

After their restructuring, Brazil and Argentina were able to invest in their people. in their infrastructure, and in the education of their people. They were able to allow the people to become productive, and to start paying taxes and to grow the economy again.

That is exactly what we need to do here in America. Start concentrating on the Real wealth of the nation, and start investing in the infrastructure, the people, and their education, so we can grow the economy.


5 months ago: "Start concentrating on the Real wealth of the nation, and start investing in the infrastructure, the people, and their education, so we can grow the economy."
-Altruist

Central Planners doing that?
Or does the government get out of the way, so the 100% can get the economy going?

"Real Wealth" is made by motivated individuals and the invisible hand of enlightened self interest.

Communism flows from a central committee telling people what they must do.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Our founders were slave owners and only thought the landed gentry should have any rights, any freedom. There were fierce debates then as now about how much power to give to the common people and the nature of the government. They formed a representative democratic republic.

Fortunately they formed a living Constitution that was designed to evolve as the nation did. President Jackson allowed the common men to participate, After the Civil War All men could participate and finally in 1920 All of the people in the country could participate in the democracy and all of the people gained their freedom with the passage of the 19th amendment.

So the founders didn't start with a real democracy but since 1920 we are.
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5 months ago: No, sir. We are not now, and never have been a democracy. Nor did the founders ever intend it to be a Democracy, except in the choosing of our representatives to the Federal level from each of the individual States, and in the voting by those representatives on Federal matters.

Do you recall ever having voted on a Federal law, resolution or referendum? No, I didn't think so. Your democracy is limited to the State in which you are registered to vote, which is exactly what the founders intended.
5 months ago: "Living Constitution" is transparent for "Let's change it", as in "marxists are trying to undermine America".

Rather, we will be defending it against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Here is a good explanation of the difference between Real wealth and phantom wealth. http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/david-k...

Basically phantom wealth is created through speculation on financial inventions that are solely designed to transfer real wealth from the 99% to the 1%. This transfer robs the nation of real wealth and reduces growth.

A simple financial transaction tax on that risky speculation that destroyed the economy would allow us to take a small amount of that phantom wealth and put it back into the economy creating real wealth that will grow the economy.

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5 months ago: The Federal Reserve creates new money every time money moves across its books. All monetary wealth is phantom wealth, because it is backed up, guaranteed, by nothing tangible.

Futures are an essential part of our economy as a risk management tool for investors. Bill Clinton deregulated the banks, and gutted decades old legislation separating lending banks from investment banks, in order to give the banks incentive to lend to less qualified applicants. That is what led to the financial crisis.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Box A little history lesson for you: http://library.thinkquest.org/26466/hist...

I know your ignorance isn't simply because you are dumb or don't read - you are bright and do fairly good research. It is just that your tortured ideology has twisted your views.

You really would like to go back to the time when only the landed gentry had rights, and the common rabble, the blacks and other minorities, and the women were considered less than human.

You really would like to go back to the time before the revolution when monarchs bestowed benefits on the nobility and the rest of the serfs were meant to serve them.

It is your mindset that our forefathers rebelled against. The current attempts by the Republicans to keep millions from voting, and the Gerrymandering is simply rigging the votes so the oligarchy is made permanent.

I think you are truly unpatriotic and think perhaps you would be happier in Saudi Arabia where they still have a monarchy and where they enjoy theocratic power over the people as you would like in the US.
5 months ago: "It is just that your tortured ideology has twisted your views."
-Altruist

Alt: Mirror.

You are arguing against the points you previously made. Recent history. Failed logic so tortured that you accuse others of the very things which you propose.

Your collectivism and class warfare philosophy is familiar to the victims of failed collectivist states.

Collectivism is repugnant to the Constitution and to Americans.
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5 months ago: Al,
Thanks for the backhanded compliment. Some things I research, and some things I learned in grade school.
Thanks for the link, but I had all that information by eighth grade. You should read it.

"they feared it would give the people too much power and would lend control of the government to the uneducated masses. What they came up with was a representative democracy wherein elected representatives rather than direct rule by the people rule the government. "

I do believe that is the same as I said previously.

You wrote: "You really would like to go back to the time when only the landed gentry had rights, and the common rabble, the blacks and other minorities, and the women were considered less than human."

What, other than your fertile imagination, can you use to back up that claim?

You also wrote: "You really would like to go back to the time before the revolution when monarchs bestowed benefits on the nobility and the rest of the serfs were meant to serve them."

Again, an unfounded statement, fostered in the desperation of being called on terms. (It's ok to admit when you've made a mistake. )

"I think you are truly unpatriotic and think perhaps you would be happier in Saudi Arabia where they still have a monarchy and where they enjoy theocratic power over the people as you would like in the US."

That goes against everything I have said here and elsewhere. I have stated time and again that I not only want freedom for the people, but also freedom FROM the people. You, on the other hand, want to go along with whatever the majority decides is right for you.
5 months ago: The issue seems to be: Can one group dictate that a minority be slaves who at the point of a gun are compelled to feed the other group, and provide health care, and education ? (What Altruist keeps pushing)

Or does each man individually have inalienable rights of life, liberty, and property? (despite what Al may want them to pay for, or be compelled to do at the point of a gun)

[Hint: Since Altruist cannot defend his collectivism with reason, he tries to distract by spewing irrelevant junk (e.g., see above response/name calling to OOTB).]
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: The real question is can the corporations and the 1% exploit and enslave the 99%? The people in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, and throughout the middle East and Northern Africa are saying that all people should be accorded the god given inalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Thousands of cities in 86 different nations are saying that they want economic and actual freedom, and more democracy.

Here in this country the Right wing is doing the opposite. All of their policies favor the 1% and penalize the 99% and at the same time they are perverting and destroying our democracy. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2...

Throughout our history the patriots have fought the autocratic tyrants and have moved constantly towards more and more democracy, but the conservatives have fought all of the attempts to grant the common people more freedom. They are on the wrong side of history. Each generation sees more people under democracy and less under autocratic rule.
5 months ago: Pelosi and Reid controlled congress for years (where laws and spending bills come from). Obama has been in the big house for several years. So are you saying they are your "Right Wing"? Because they are the most recent cause of what is happenning. But the Bushes and Clinton all did the same things- More State, more theft, less Liberty. The narrow difference is who you choose as master.

The fixation of right (socialists) vs left (communists and facists) misses the point: Both current Parties want more State, more Control, More enslavement of people.

Choose: Either the State controls people (R and D) or the people control the State (per the Constitution).

One is the law that grants limited enumerated powers to protect our life, liberty, and property.

The other way is slavery.

5 months ago: Definition of Terms:

Socialist- Indirect Gov control by policies and regulation, redistributing to people (eg Sweden)

Facist- Direct Gov control of Industrialists via theft, corruption, and violence (eg GM and Obama, IRS/EPA and most businesses)

Communist- Direct Gov control of industries by force (eg The Fed)


"Rule of Law"- What is written (eg what America was)

"Rule of Men" or Without Rule of Law"- guy with guns, tells others what to do (what America has become)
5 months ago: "All their policies favor the 1%"

Actually, it's about 11% happily working to enslave the people, when you include the mid-level administrators and hand-maidens and thuggish enforcers. Each one makes themselves repugnant to the Constitution, and is guilty of Treason (remedy specified in the Constitution).

"All laws repugnant to the Constitution are Null and Void"
-Chief Justice John Marshall, 1804, Marbury vs Madison

All laws, regulations, executive orders, policies, procedures, bureaucrats, czars, agents, agencies, departments, prosecutors, govenors, judges, legislators, residents- which is repugnant to the Constitution, nullifies and voids it's authority (which they derive only through the Constitution).

Either the Constitution is the law, or there is NO LAW.

I argue that we currently live without the rule of law (WROL), and that the destruction of law ("lawfare") is a battlefront in the deliberate war being waged against Americans. Other battlefronts include the destruction of capitalist economics, the destruction of western alliances, the destruction of education, the destruction of industry, and the destruction of agriculture.

By both current parties, for their own petty insider advantage; and to the destruction of our land, our institutions, our history, and our culture.- Both parties make themselves repugnant to the Constitution.

Two wings of the same party- Let's call them "Tories", eating out our substance.
Historic times, as 'from time to time' we re-remove these leeches from our midst.
5 months ago: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, … when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Al good writing and good information.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: It isn't really about left and right, or Democrats Vs Republicans, because most of the Democrats have been bought off. The difference is one of degree. The Republicans are 100% bought off by corporations and the 1%, and you can plainly see that because every policy they propose only benefits the 1% and harms the 99%.

At the same time most of the Democrats also received millions from the 1% and from Wall Street, and that is why even though they controlled Congress things like the free trade agreements got passed and that is why we didn't get single payer health care and why the Dodd Frank bill ended up mostly toothless. The difference between the two parties is that the Democrats are not entirely dependent on the 1%. They also get a lot of money from the unions which represent the people and they get millions of $10 & $20 donations from the common folk.

There are some good people in Congress like Elizabeth Warren who actually took the fight to the 1%. You can tell who the good guys are by who the 1% fights against the most. http://baselinescenario.com/2011/11/10/w...

The political system is busted because the right wing Supreme Court decided that corporations are people and that their bribes and purchased elections are protected by the first amendment.

All of Box's nonsense about America not being a democracy is all about just turning the country over to the corporations and the 1%. They don't want any of the people to have any say. That is what our forefathers fought against - taxation without representation. That is why the right is unpatriotic and un-American with their war on voters.

The only way to regain our democracy is to get money out of politics and have representatives that actually represent the people. 76% of the people think there should be a constitutional amendment overturning this ruling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...
http://www.getmoneyout.com/
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5 months ago: It's not about Republicans vs Democrats, yet you go into a lengthy explanation about how Democrats are better than Republicans. Elizabeth Warren is joke, an elitist overlord wanna be, who wants to punish success.

Since we obviously have a disparity of terms, please demonstrate how America is (or was) a democracy, and not a representative republic?

To the best of my knowledge, the founding fathers built in safeguards AGAINST majority rule, AGAINST judicial legislation.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Actually Elizabeth isn't in Congress - Yet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...

That is about the worst smear you can use now. I apologize Professor Warren.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
5 months ago: Box you seem to think that a republic can not be democratic for some reason. The representatives were elected through a democratic process therefore a democratic representative republic.

As I said when the founders started the government they thought only the landed male gentry should vote, but since then we have evolved and become more democratic. Unfortunately our republic has become less representative than in the past.

47% of the House members and 64% of the Senate are millionaires whereas only 1% of the public is millionaires.

It matters little what the common people think now, it is only the 1% who determines who the representatives are, and how they vote, so we have also lost our democracy.

So if you want to know what the actual terms are, we are no longer a democraticically elected representative republic, we are an oligarchy or a plutocracy now.
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5 months ago: Maybe I'm just lucky, but I still vote, and I'm not rich by American terms. I didn't realize that so many of us have lost the right to vote on our representatives. But, you say, the candidates with money can afford more advertising. That is true of anyone that has something for sale. That makes it up to us, we the people, to hire the candidates that are going to do the right thing. We are the problem. We keep voting for candidates that are only in it for the money and power.

It has always mattered little what the common people thought, as far as the day to day running of our government is concerned. That's because most people can't see past their dinner plate. The masses have been kept in a stupor by social safety nets, taking the responsibility away from where it belongs, which is locally, and have become more and more reliant on a strong central government for answers. That is definitely not what the founders intended.

When the rich volunteered to foot the bill for these social safety nets, they figured it was a small price to pay to keep the peace and keep them in power by fostering the illusion of safety for the less fortunate. However, that bill has grown enormously, and more and more undeserving recipients are lining up to get a chunk of their pie.

Did you know that if every penny was taken from the so-called 1% and given to the government, it would only pay for the social services in this country for 1 year? Then who would they go after next?
5 months ago: "Then who would they go after next? "

Theft builds nothing. It only snatches temporary relief for as long as victims can be robbed. Well the victims have been thoroughly looted, and the means of producing wealth are being destroyed as well (industry, capital, finance, educated motivated workforce, system of laws, government securing the rights of people and property, etc).

Altruist's plans are to steal using enforcers.

Jealousy of other's success, builds nothing.
Theft (redistribution), builds nothing.
What happens after the locusts feast?

sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: People are not stupid because they are common folks.
Box you said you ask the janitor if you want to know things. Well, he is a common person like the rest, and apparently he has a voice.
I don't think the masses have been in a stupor. They are pretty smart people out there.
If you fight hard enough and go after anything to make a change, you can.
Unfortunately, you get a group of officials in office that have some power, and it goes to their heads and you can't make headway with them. Safety nets are needed like anything else because not everyone is fortunate, and they can't fight the system when they are down in their luck. People are on the streets now starving to death without jobs, there are no social safety nets for them. They are living out of cars with their kids. Children don't have lunch money. The people trusted government to do their jobs, and they haven't. The government gave in to temptation and greed instead. They went sour. It makes me sick to see the Republicans rich and fat and spoiled. They have big multi-million dollar homes and sit on big pensions that they don't deserve. They are scared to death to be individuals. They runined our country. Take that away from them and give it back to the people. This is what those fat, greedy so and sos wanted to do to the people. They only saw $$$$. Everything seems to be directed to be the people's fault. It isn't.
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5 months ago: 40% of adults in the US are illiterate. And not all janitors are created equal, regardless of what Lincoln said. They all have the same rights, but they are not equal.

Does it make you equally sick to see the fat, lazy, spoiled Democrats in their multimillion dollar homes? Should we take Nancy Pelosi's houses away from her and give them to the people? What about John Kerry, who earned $20 million in the past two years?

27 Democrats along with 23 Republicans make up the 50 richest in Congress.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: People have to want to learn and be literate. You can't force them to learn. We have a freedom of choice and the world at our feet, but it is what each individual does with their lives, and the choices they make that puts them in the right direction.
If there is poverty, that usually lessens the chances of being educated. Unfortunately when the parents are not educated, it usually trickles down to the kids. This is what is happening today. Something has to be done about it. It isn't fair and not equal as you said. I've always taught that you always have to grow and move forward, and you know when that time approaches. Not everyone has that opportunity to move ahead. The parents have to care about their kids and guide them. That is not up to the Government to instill that in children. Also, it is never too late to learn. People have to take up that responsibility.
It makes me sick that both Democrats and Republicans don't do the job that they are getting paid to do. Why are they being paid big money to work for the good of the people. Let them pay for their own health insurance and other fringe benefits. This will certainly save a lot of money that can go to the deficit. Since when are any of them entitled. They should check their egos at the door. They do make me sick.
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 Moderator
5 months ago: True, you can't force people to learn if they don't want to. And I don't want to be ruled by a bunch that is comprised, nearly half, of people that can't comprehend this paragraph, much less the intricate mechanisms of a world super power.

What do think would be the first thing they would vote on? A hefty raise for themselves. Ten hour work week. $100/hr. minimum wage. New cars and giant flat screens for everyone. Oh, and vote that the rich can pay for it all.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: I don't think there is any chance of that happening. I don't believe that those intricate mechanisms of a world super power that you speak of are staring down on us to take us over and manipulate our lives. They have bigger fish to fry. They couldn't do it anyway.
American people don't ask for much, but they don't have to have everything taken away from them either. The majority of the people in the US are geared to working hard whether they are educated or not. They know how to put food on the table and take care of business. The spirit of America is not geared to having everything handed to them on a silver platter. The ones who take advantage of the people have narcissus personalities and want it all, not the ordinary guy. Just look at the power hungry people. Most people aren't interested in that power. Regular people are content to make a decent wage for the time they put in. They can't even get that any more. Why knock people and say they are selfish and want. You have to really look into the lives of those out there that have been sacrificing and don't ask for much except to remain the best country in the world.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
5 months ago: Thank you Sunny. I stand corrected.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Box, you're welcome. I thank you, too, for your insight.

5 months ago: "we are an oligarchy or a plutocracy now"-Altruist

Disagree. With the Constitution ignored, thh Obama regime has deliberately established a Facist Kleptocracy.

Facist: Government coersion of civilian executives into well compensated enablers. GE and GM, and so many other industries.

Kleptocracy: Historic theft, from the middle class and into the hands of 'fellow travellers'.

Facist Kleptocracy, managed by Czars.
This war against Amerika will be countered.
The Constitution will be restored.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: The rich Republicans have been funded from all over the world.
In the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think or say, because it will be the people who will decide. I think people are pretty much fed up and the Republicans are on the run.
The Chamber of Commerce ran over 8,000 ads for the GOP.
What does that say? Although it can't be proven, who are they kidding.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
5 months ago: Do you mean "rich Republicans" or "rich politicians"?
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: I don't care much for any politicians. Although, the Republicans have built up an obvious well-known reputation for leaning toward wealth.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Our Constitution is as good as it gets. No where else on this planet is so much freedom given.
I'm an American first and foremost.
People don't like Obama, he will go the way of all the rest. He tried to do his best. I hope with respect to him he won't compromise. Compromise so far has been all one-sided.
Common people fight with a vengence. They don't give in to anybody.
You can't take their freedoms away. They take so much and that's it.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Both parties are not in tune with the people or have loss the reasons why they are there to represent the people only.

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