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Altruist
Eugene, OR
The 99% or Occupy movement has had several victories recently.

The big thing is that their protests of Banks, helped result in the decision of Bank of America to back off on their $5.00 fees for the use of debit cards. Several other banks followed suite.

Much of that is because of the Occupy Movements call to take your money out of the banks program. Saturday, November 5th, has been hailed as the "Move our Money" day. http://thesoundstrike.info/2011/10/31/du...

http://theweek.com/article/index/220937/...

Now Occupy will move into other bank abuses. WHo knows they may even pressure corporations to stop giving hundred million dollar golden parachutes to CEO's that destroy companies for their own profit. http://sfist.com/2011/10/26/occupy_movem...

People are even using Occupy to help them resist foreclosures. They are occupying their own homes!

"But instead of the anticipated confrontation, there was a dramatic reversal of fortune. Fanny Mae canceled the eviction notice and offered the Gudiels a loan modification that could enable them keep their home."

"Why? Fannie Mae and loan servicer OneWest won't discuss the case. But nonprofit advocates say a series of bold protests — with reinforcements from the "Occupy Wall Street" movement — and a spate of media interest put Rose in the limelight and forced the banks to back down. "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44908122/ns/...#.TrBg03LO3ws

On other fronts. Many cities are making up new rules to justify kicking Occupiers out of their sites. Now a judge has told the State of Tennessee that they have to stop arresting protestors. "Political expression deserves the highest level of protection and it was unacceptable for the state to suddenly shut down protesters' speech and forcibly oust them from Legislative Plaza that has long been used as a place for peaceful expression," said Hedy Weinberg, executive director at the ACLU of Tennessee. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/31/us/tenness...

This decision highlights the point that while many cities may have laws and ordinances against camping on city property or in parks, that the Occupy movement is not just a bunch of campers. They are protestors exercising their constitutional rights.

The first amendment of the Constitution prevents the passing of any law "interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances."

This movement is similar to the union movements that forced corporations to make concessions like the 40 hour week, health care, safety standards etc.

While there may still be some people opposed to the Occupy movement, they will soon realize that 99% of the country will benefit from the efforts of the movement.

The People United will not be defeated.
UPDATE - 30 months ago
Actually the MAIN Thing the 99% movement has done is change the narative in the media and across the country. Now people are beginning to talk about economic fairness.

Tonight 4,500 people in Oakland shut down all seven terminals of the fifth largest port in the country. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-port-...

They are shutting down many banks and perhaps the entire city. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/oakland-...

Here is a video: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/oakland-...

Not bad for a bunch of hippies and homeless.

The injury of a vet who was shot in the head with a teag gas canister has prompted the military and veterans to join the movement. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02...
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30 months ago: Well, for crying out loud!

Why don't you guys solve global cooling...er..uh...warming....uh...er... human caused climate change?
30 months ago: Al.

You left out some other occupier accomplishments.

Transmitting sexually diseases.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manha...

Raping 14 year old girls.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/Occupy-Dallas-m...

and causing 21 people to lose their jobs.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/01/m...

All we need now is a victory parade.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
30 months ago: I am surprised that you couldn't find any more serious incidents Red.

When you consider the thousands of protesters all over the nation everything has been remarkably peaceful except on the part of the police.

The Occupiers camps are set up in most cases in the locations where the homeless, the drug dealers, and the runaways used to congregate.

Many of these homeless have stuck around and joined the movement because they get free food and they feel safer with the protesters than they did on the streets. I imagine this is especially true of under-aged female runaways who lie about their age, and want to hook up with someone to protect them.

At the occupy site here in Eugene, there is concern about the drug addicts and the more violent among the homeless especially among the female participants. These people are often angry because the occupy people have invaded their turf, and some of them are just unstable. http://thehomelessguy.blogspot.com/

There are usually several peacekeepers walking around the camps to quell disputes peacefully. There is a nurse on site in the first aid tent and there is a sobriety tent to help the drunks and addicts.

Generally the amount of violence has gone down considerably whenever the Occupy people move into an area. Most businesses nearby receive much more business and are happy with the occupations. In the example you gave it was the placement of police barricades that limited access to that business.

I am glad that people are finally helping the homeless and are illuminating the hardships that they often suffer. They have to deal with hostile police, lack of restrooms and no shelter or safety.

The Occupy movement is trying to do something about the unfair system that allows regular people with families to suddenly loose their homes because they lost their jobs or could not afford health insurance. Many of the homeless have serious problems, but today millions of regular people are terrified because they realize they are just a paycheck away from being on the streets themselves.

The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: I'm shocked Red! You didn't see this info that shows their victories.

I found this one just to help Al out with his arguement.

Post Cards from Oakland

http://moonbattery.com/?p=4075

Enjoy that victory while you can Al! Who knows when all hell will break out.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Just in case that didn't convince you Red. Here is yet another of Al's victories for you to argue about.

Post Cards from D.C.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpres...
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
30 months ago: Please Al. Your buddies which you are not joining on the street had nothing to do with BA and debit card fees. You need to sell your ASTRO Van and pitch a tent in Occupy. I hear you might get free Wi-Fi by stealing it from your local government buildings. Who knows... the Krishna's might show up with free sugar balls.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
30 months ago: Who said I'm not joining them on the street? I took those photos while marching with the Occupy Salem folk last Saturday.

In Eugene the current site at the University does have free wi-fi.

Looks like a LOT of Krishnas in Oakland!

The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Wonderful..a weekend occupy quarterback.. How was that nice warm bed you slept in after your walk in the streets? You did go home afterwards? Right?

No. Oakland? That is your vision of your movement? Good luck. Bubba needs a new roomie... Oh, forgot, you only spend Saturday walking with your comrades before your bedtime at home.

The site at the University in Eugene? That pretty much tells the whole story.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: "...Not bad for a bunch of hippies and homeless.... "

Holy Moly, and a bunch of... by their own admission.... leaderless hippies and homeless. They are just ripe for the taking, waiting for the right people to step in and fill the power void. Mob rules, and everyone being told what their "consensus" is by the mysterious General Assembly.

I count my blessings to live far from any metropolitan areas, because I am not looking forward to the day when ordinary citizens have to take up arms to protect themselves from their fellow countrymen. We have the makings of a full scale civil war if these people don't get a grip on themselves.

In the meantime, they are putting thousands of people out of work. Port activity generates over 73,000 jobs in the region, and the Occupy protesters are shutting it down. So 73,000 people will have LESS money to try to make ends meet.

Way to go, guys.
29 months ago: I wish some of these thugs would march by my location.

Sum...............
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Coyote sticks are illegal in Texas.... Too bad. We could bait them with tofu.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: I take particular issue with the "occupying their homes to avoid forclosure". Why is it a bank's problem that the people don't pay their bills? I was always taught that if you don't pay the bills you don't get to keep the stuff (this goes for electricity, gas, car, cell phone, internet, cable and yeah...HOUSES). People seem to forget that if they have a mortgage that means you don't own your house...if you stop paying for it then the people who do own it are going to want it back...people need to be responsible.
29 months ago: Whoever you are, Pfct is going to be upset you're on his computer.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: It's me. Believe it or not, if you would stop insulting everyone and throwing around every term you think is an insult and instead make an effort to have a real conversation you would find that we probably agree on more than you think (other than abortion & gay marriage)
29 months ago: Al.

Occupiers attacking innocent people, trashing communities, destroying property, etc....

YOU SHOULD BE PROUD.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11...

Shame on you guys.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Red, don't expect ALtheAnarchist to point his camera towards anything that would reveal the truth during his Saturday afternoon. The Occupy Family Circle would censor it.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: Out of curiosity...how can you claim that AL is a big government proponent and an Anarchist at the same time?
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: They are the same thing. Different side of the same coin. You had best study it soon.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: You really have no leg to stand on anymore do you? Anarchists and Big Government proponents are the same? You really are brainwashed by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin aren't you.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: PH

There are several schools of thought in the Anarchist range that would ultimately depend on big government to implement their ideals.

Social Anarchism rejects private ownership of property, mutualist anarchism says you can keep property as long as you are using it, and Collectivist Anarchism promotes bloody revolution, followed by a wage-based distribution of goods. Anarcho-communism promotes bloody revolution, followed by a need-based distribution of goods.

Anarcho-communists are the most dangerous of the dreamers listed above, because they propose to do away with all private ownership, all money, and all systems of trade. They feel that the "collective" would automatically just do what is right for the benefit of everyone. Of course, they would need an elite group of Supervisors to crack that whip and make sure that everyone "volunteers" their time and talents
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: I have graduate degrees in political theory and political science. The point of my inquiry was to prove that TCG doesn't know anything about what he says. However, since you swooped in to let him off the hook I would argue that there are certain merits to the idea of collectivism insofar as saying that communities should look out for their own. I know when I was growing up the people in our neighborhood would make sure that everyone was safe (for example, one day my parents got stuck in traffic and weren't home when I got off the bus, my neighbor noticed me sitting out front and she came down and invited me in for a snack while I waited for my mom). People now-a-days grow community gardens and have neighborhood watches. Collectivism generally a good thing at a local level.

While I agree that Anarcho-communism's call for revolution is a bad idea that would lead to a lot of blood and violence, there is still some merit to their utopian mindset where people care about eachother enough to do the right thing for everyone...of course we all know how those utopian stories always end up ;D...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: I agree that it would be easier if everyone pitched in, and communities helped each other get the basics. But without the constraints of capitalism, society will devolve back to the hunter/gatherer days, in which survival and a modicum of comfort were the peak of human aspiration. The quelling of ideas relating to me, mine, ownership, personal responsibility and acheivement will be the death of civilization.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Let's just have the OccupyAnarchist's run the country. Are you OK with that PH? Like I said which was confirmed by you...Different sides of the same coin...

I have 6 degrees in real life which over-ride your minor brainwashing degree in sheetfulChiTownPolitics.

Come back after a few more years of drying out your...
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Did this pinhead really say this?

"I have graduate degrees in political theory and political science"

Maybe we should all bow down and ask our next global Savior (Percect Horizon) that has a freaking useless degree to save us from the pit.

Why has he waited sooo long?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: This is a quote Red from one of your links: "Wednesday's action drew more than 7,000 people, including teachers, youths, seniors, union members and other citizens who said they were concerned about economic inequality. At an evening briefing, interim Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said officials believed that only about 60 or 70 of them -- black-garbed with kerchiefs covering their faces -- were believed to be committing acts of vandalism. "

This is a problem The Anarchists have attended the marches, but their goals are different than the the goals of the 99%. The goals of the 99% are to peacefully end the injustice in the economy and in government.

The Goal of the anarchists is to use violence to destroy government. Sounds a lot like the Tea Party. In fact I saw one video and one of the anarchists was waving one of your "Don't Tread On Me" flags.

So 1:00 Am and most of the 7000 have gone back to their homes, the hundreds of the occupiers have gone back to their tents, but small packs of Anarchists are out to cause destruction. Earlier in the day when the Anarchists tried to destroy stuff the people in the Occupy group stopped them. Now the peacekeepers were gone so the Anarchists started busting windows.

So that is the question - How can a leaderless group with no rules or regulations control the few bent on destruction and violence?

This is sort of like the Tea Parties darker cousins that were just arrested for plotting to kill thousands with Ricin. The Tea Party can't control the REAL nutcases in their midst, but their violent rhetoric about revolution and second amendment solutions validates their attempts at terrorism.

I think the Occupy movement should get organized and concentrate on some concrete demands like a FTT, instead of just demonizing the banks which empowers the anarchists to break their windows.

Perfect I can understand that you want people to be responsible for their own behavior but most people who have lost their homes have done so through no fault of their own. 65% of people go into bankruptcy because of medical emergencies like their insurance company not covering their cancer because of "Pre Existing Conditions" (1/3rd of Americans have "Pre Existing Conditions").

Many of the people lost their homes because they lost their jobs through no fault of their own. The Banks are often at fault because they refuse to refinance the loan to allow the owners to keep their homes, but in many cases the Banks have no idea who owns the mortgage papers. They robo sign the foreclosure papers without even reading who the people are or what their circumstances are.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: ALtheAnarchist. You pointed to Oakland as the new shining star of your occupy movement. What about anonymous? Are they also a lawful shining star?

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa_FzQV5f...

Freedom of speech as long as it is yours?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
29 months ago: Did you really just post a FoxNews video and expect people to take you seriously?????
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: ALtheAnarchist? You really stand behind your words? "60 or 70 of them"?

Really? How many were arrested? More than 70? Try 80.

The mob number is now being quoted as "in the hundreds" which means between 200 and 999.

Care to correct your statements?
29 months ago: No Al.

Reality check.

You didn't see this degenerate behavior anywhere near a tea party.

It's just you guys.

Sorry.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: 1:00 am Al? Is the sun still up at 1:00 am in Oakland? A few protesters when nuts Al?

Maybe it's time for you to admit your info is flawed.

Check out these links if you have the guts.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpres...

http://moonbattery.com/?p=4075

Is all of that light during the peaceful march in the Oakland video (first link) caused by the 1:00 am Sunlight? Are there only a few?

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: All of you need to watch this video, in full. Here are some choice excerpts from an early planning meeting by the General Assembly.
Jody
"I just want to take issue with the claim that 'I can speak for myself' is non-ideological. That is an ideological position that is part of a highly individualist tradition in the United States. It hurts understanding collectivism, it hurts.. it doesn't even recognize the miracle of what has been happening with Occupy Wall St. It's not that everyone is speaking for themselves, it's the opening of the collective space, and a collective venture. So I thank that as long as people talk in these individualistic terms , that collective side of it gets lost.

Then, if you'll watch and count the times the term "anarchist" is bandied about, and note that while the moderator jokingly said, "But of course there are none here" his comments drew knowing looks, nods, and winks, and much of the meeting was dominated by talk about anarchism.


But the most telling of all, is this well received rant:

Well, and I think that's–that's one side of what people want, right, 'cause that's not the only thing people want, they also want to take the banker out of his, you know, ****ing tower and string him up in the public square, right? [Applause] That's not–that's not, like, just the crazy left. That's everyday folks talking about their experiences.

And, like, this is America, right? We want to talk about "we're the 99%" as if we're also not the 99% that loves Transformers 4, right? [Laughter] As if this is the 99% that doesn't also, like, feel passionate anger. "All we want is, like, you know, our little appropriate piece of the pie and we just want to be friendly."

And the capitalists know that's not the case, right? If you want to read what the capitalists think about this you can go look at what Glenn Beck says, right? He's got a better analysis than most people on the left about where this could go, how threatening this…—

(There's a cut here in the original video. It seems to continue about Beck.)

…I think he's like one of those fortune tellers who 99 percent of the time is just totally bull****ting everyone, and then 1 percent of the time [Beck's] eyes roll back in his head and he's got, like, divine insight, you know: "It's the coming insurrection. It's–I've been reading these French guys."

http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011...

So really, for a look at what's behind the mask, look at them and listen to their own words
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: TCG - -Anonymous is not a part of the Occupy movement and does not speak for them, but sometimes they do good things. I believe they are part of Wikkileaks. I like the fact that they are going after the Mexican Drug Cartels and Fox though. SOmetimes they make a lot of sense. Listen to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx1f70gu6...

The 60-70 figure you question is not from me it is from the Oakland Police Chief as reported in the article that Red supplied.

I think that Glen Beck crying about being afraid of the barbarians dragging him out into the streets to murder him is funny.

So you back this up with an excerpt without context of one guy giving his opinion in what looks like a library? That is pretty revolutionary! Who is this guy? Just one of hundreds of thousands. He doesn't have any authorization to represent the movement.

Red there are Tea Party Folk in the movement too. Here is some good advice from one of them: http://occupyeugenemedia.org/forums/topi...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: Al,

It was me that posted the video, and it is not out of context. The speaker you are referring to is none other than Malcolm Harris. He was confirming Beck's fears, saying that even Beck is right 1% of the time, and this is one of those times.


"Malcolm Harris, an editor and activist who "has been active in OWS since the first planning meetings," confirmed Beck's analysis in his comments at a panel discussion on October 14th in New York–the same panel discussion that featured New York Times freelancer Natasha Lennard."


If you want context, scroll down the page a bit to view the entire video, and listen to them all talking about limiting personal autonomy, anarchist tactics, and deceiving the general population into thinking that this is "just happening as opposed to a carefully crafted campaign.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: And the Youtube video you posted is not the voice of Anonymoous. It's Kieth Olberman chopped and screwed. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06...
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: Yeah ALtheAnarchist. Obama. Anonymous, Anarchist, NOW, TNBPP, SEIU, AFL-CIO and the DNC are not a part of occupy....

Right...

Forget the leftist media.... We have already discounted their hipe...

Your right...a flood is coming...
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: ALtheAnarchist? So you use a false quote by someone else to shore up your comments while knowing the numbers are not correct? Why didn't you include a statement in your quote that questiond those numbers? Was it because you knew they were higher?

Really?

Come clean.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
29 months ago: "TCG - -Anonymous is not a part of the Occupy movement "

Al, I know it is hard when your Utopia is falling apart right before your eyes.

It's hard to follow the trail so I'll re-post this info from http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/The-Disgrac... just for you.

You can check the links for yourself between your peaceful protest marches @

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the...

The 99%: Official list of Occupy Wall Street's supporters, sponsors and sympathizers

Communist Party USA

American Nazi Party

Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran

Barack Obama

The government of North Korea

Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam

Revolutionary Communist Party

David Duke

Joe Biden

Hugo Chavez

Revolutionary Guards of Iran

Black Panthers (original)

Socialist Party USA

US Border Guard

Industrial Workers of the World

CAIR

Nancy Pelosi

Communist Party of China

Hezbollah

9/11Truth.org

International Bolshevik Tendency

Anonymous

White Revolution

International Socialist Organization

PressTV (Iranian government outlet)

Marxist Student Union

Freedom Road Socialist Organization

ANSWER

Party for Socialism and Liberation

Are that your new "everyday" America Al?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: Another excerpt from the video at http://occupyeugenemedia.org/forums/topi... , and there are hundreds of such gems in such a short clip:

"It kind of reminds me of the Seattle movement in 1999, I was there, it was very exciting...but it was also an emotional... an emotionally driven thing, and uh, it sputtered out... because it was so difficult to transform that energy of the moment, uh, ...even though it didn't come out of nowhere, there was a lot of preparation that went into it, ...but it did SEEM like a spontaneous eruption and it's hard to turn that into something that can build and carry on and develop into something that really changes anything. "

Watch the video. They talk about doing away with the notion of autonomy on the individual level, in favor of the collective. They are social anarchists, which opens the possibility of being in favor of a totalitarian government, as long as THEY are the government.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: Here's Malcolm Harris. He's a dyed in the wool anarchist, deeply imbedded in the Occupy Wall St. movement.

http://libcom.org/library/baby-we%E2%80%...

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: Box I'm glad you re posted the clip of the former Tea Partier describing how the Tea Party got co-opted. Good advice!

Oberman did not originate the statement, he read out what he said was the first official statement from the protesters, no doubt the anonymous figure in the guy Fawkes mask was also reading the same document.

Sounds like Harris is pretty ambivalent towards the Occupy movement."I got a certain amount of **** for cosigning this Cimethinc. "Letter from Anarchists" to occupiers, but what really strikes me is that anarchists and occupiers have become two distinct–albeit overlapping–groups. "

As I said the two groups have different goals and methods of achieving them. The Occupiers condemn any violence.

""We are about peace. That's the most powerful tool we have," said Mario Jefferson of the Occupy LA encampment, noting that the movement attracts many types of people, including some prone to violence."

"Police, who had little to no presence during the protest during the day, said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism at local banks and businesses."

"For most of Wednesday, peace prevailed at the rallies in Oakland, even attracting families, some taking their children along in strollers."

"People who participated in the daytime protests returned to help sweep up debris and scrub off graffiti."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: Oops, my copy-and-paste kung fu must have been weak. I know you figured out which clip I was actually referring to, but to those that didn't, the clip is at http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011...

"The anonymous figure in the Guy Fawkes mask". OF COURSE I know that the manifesto is a document being read, NOT anonymous' original material, (as you obviously originally thought). The voice in the so-called "Anonymous" video is the actual voice of Keith Olberman, digitally screwed (slowed down) and enhanced.

I'm glad to see you learning more about your movement, as the days and discussions go by. Like the man said, "It didn't just happen, there was a lot of preparation that went into it."

And as for the advice to Occupiers from the young girl that was once a TEA Party supporter, I'm not convinced she was a TEA Party supporter simply on her say so. Are you?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: "Sounds like Harris is pretty ambivalent towards the Occupy movement."

Harris was invited to the founding meetings of the Occupy movement by the creators of the movement, who hired Adbusters.

Why do you think they invited militant Anarchists to join at the ground floor?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: OK if you can pull some random anarchist and say he is the voice of the movement, I'll submit that this 76 year old ragin granny is much closer to the sentiment of the 99%. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-699957
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
29 months ago: That's just the post, Al. He's not "some random anarchist". He was a panel member and speaker at the founding meeting of the Occupy Wall St. organization. He was invited by the movement's organizers. He was specifically contacted and asked to be there, along with the other two anarchists , which made three anarchists out of a panel of six.

I understand that "this is your story and you're sticking to it", but please don't try to pee on my boots, and tell me it's raining. It's insulting.

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