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The Value Of A Strong Central Government

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Altruist
Eugene, OR
I have been very impressed with the strength and the calmness of the Japanese people under duress. I am also very impressed with the Japanese Government and how quickly it reacted, and is reacting to the disaster.

First of all, the most effective and advanced Tsunami warning system in the world sent warnings out 8 seconds after the waves were sensed. Unfortunately the quake was so close that people had less than 15 minutes to get to high ground. Still not too much panic or irrational behavior. The government made certain that people knew what to do and what was happening.

Second Despite the strongest earthquake in the history of the nation, the cities are still standing. A few of the coastal towns were literally washed away with the 30 ft. waves, but most of the buildings and homes survived and did not fall down crushing the occupants. The government knowing that they were in an active seismic zone required buildings bridges and infrastructure be built to stringent earthquake standards.

The Japanese Quake was an 8.9 on the Richter Scale. Since this scale is exponential that means this quake was nearly 900 times as strong as the Earthquake that devastated Haiti which was a 7.0 quake. http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity....

The Haiti Quake killed 200,000 people mostly because the concrete buildings were built without standards or reinforcing, and they crushed the inhabitants when they collapsed.

Watch the emergency response. In Haiti the hospitals were destroyed and there was no way to help the injured, or even to move around the city because the streets were blocked by the collapsed buildings. There was no strong central government trained in what to do if there was a disaster, no disaster plans, and no equipment to handle the situation.

Japan on the other hand is probably the government with the best disaster preparedness in the world. They were on the scene during the disaster, and are now quickly responding and will quickly recover.

This is the result of a strong central government that requires planning for the future and investment in the training and equipment necessary to respond to a disaster.

Compare that to Haiti which still looks much as it did a year ago with it's citizens still without services or homes. This is the result of minimal government run by corruption and cronyism. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/01...

The Right Wing thinks that we all should have a minimal government, that is mostly influenced by corporate bribes, that is not supported by any taxes (with the exception of support for the military, law enforcement, and billions of dollars in subsidies to mega corporations that make record profits). They deny factual scientific evidence of pending disaster at our peril.

This is a very simple matter. Should we cater to corporations and allow them to cut corners as they did in Haiti without regulations, or should we think of the people, plan ahead, think of the future and make investments that will save us money in the future? Should we eliminate all investments and cut funding to critical programs so we can save a bit of money now? Should we eat our seed corn?


UPDATE - 14 months ago
Correction: The Japanese Quake is about 90 not 900 times as strong as the Haiti quake.
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14 months ago: Altruist,

This is a well written article, and would be well received by people of the same mindset as you. It would be great talking point fodder for the leftist circuit. But the title in no way will lead people here to read about the disaster in Japan and how they are handling it.

After the quake in 1923 that killed 140,000 Japanese, they got serious about preventing that sort of death toll again. But there has been massive devastation in Japan, in villages and small towns that won't get the same news coverage as the metropolitan areas. It will be a long time before Japan recovers from this.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
14 months ago: You are probably correct.

Yes the disaster in Japan is terrible and I feel sorry for the people who are suffering there. I support all efforts to help them and encourage everyone to contribute to their aid.

At the same time there are elements in our own government that are trying to strip the government of any and all abilities to prevent similar disasters here.

The goal of the rant was not to shed light on the disaster in Japan. There is sufficient attention to that. The point was to expose the tragedy that is happening here in this country where all efforts to think and plan for the future are being destroyed for short term greed.

A penny saved will be ten dollars lost in the future because the 10% in this country who control 90% of the wealth are being showered with borrowed money that the poor and the middle classes are being asked to pay for.
14 months ago: The article is well written. Tragedy is the tool which, is used as a floodlight. Organization is illuminated.

Where good organization exists (in Japan) there is a minimum loss of life and property. This is the duty of government.

Where little, or poor organization exists (in Haiti) damage is more widespread, more people die and recovery is slow. This happens when people in political power refuse their duty. Instead of serving their duty, they serve themselves and grow wealthy. Their family and friends prosper but the country's citizens remain uneducated and poor.

As Altruist wrote the article, this situation is plain and easy to see. How then, we might ask, does the situation continue to exist? Why doesn't everyone in Haiti (and around the world in similar disorganized countries), why doesn't everyone see it. And insist on change?

I believe that people don't see the difference. People do see a difference. But do not see the cause. Organization / Disorganization are the two extremes and these are caused by good government / corrupt government.

Let me say this same thing in another way. Corrupt government is disorganized government. It has poor building codes and poor enforcement of building codes, poor disaster preparedness and in general, a poor enforcement of law and a lack of order.

I am reminded of Vietnam's government in the late 60s, when I was there. A fellow soldier wanted to marry a Vietnamese woman. He did everything right -- but pay the bribes. His papers were in a desk at the opposite end of the country -- until he paid the bribes.

14 months ago: When the government serves the people, it is a 'good government'.
When the government is the people, it is a 'good government'.

When the government lords over the people, telling them what to do (what toilets they may buy, who they can marry, what they are allowed to do on their own land, or in their own house); then the government no longer serves the people- It serve itself, and is repugnant.

New Orleans was/is a corrupt pit of strong community organizers. When there was a disaster, they proved to be inept.

The communities surrounding New Orleans were locally organized, and met 'basic needs' earlier and organized better- Because they were local and did not wait for 'central authority'. They just took care of their communities. Very little news came out of normal functioning communities. Proportionally, very little aid was rendered per person, compared to New Orleans.

New Orleans, run by corrupt thugs on expensive payrolls was the problem child.
That example demonstrates the flaws in the article: Organized (D) union towns prove to be inept. Lefties ridicule locals as morons and rednecks- Yet the 'locals' always do much better than the 'organized lefties'. Hmmm? (was that the air going out of your argument?)

Community organizers like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot also like a strong state. Every tyrant likes a strong state. Using a crisis to justify a strong state is consistent: Communism is built on rubble and dead bodies.

Maybe sheeple trained to be dependent on others need a strong organizer to tell them what to do, because they have surrendered the responsibility for their own lives into the hands of their masters.
But in America, we get along better without overlords.
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14 months ago: "People are surviving on little food and water. Things are simply not coming," said Hajime Sato, a government official in Iwate prefecture, one of the three hardest hit.

He said authorities were receiving just 10 percent of the food and other supplies they need. Body bags and coffins were running so short that the government may turn to foreign funeral homes for help, he said.

"We have requested funeral homes across the nation to send us many body bags and coffins. But we simply don't have enough," he told the AP. "We just did not expect such a thing to happen. It's just overwhelming."
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
14 months ago: Sofa said: "When the government serves the people, it is a 'good government'.
When the government is the people, it is a 'good government'."

That is exactly true. Our nation was conceived to be by, for and of the people.

Haiti is rated the #2 most corrupt government in the world (behind Afghanistan).

Anything done by the government is done by graft. You have to bribe officials to get anything done, and the reason there are no services now, no emergency vehicles, standards etc. None of the essentials that differentiate civilized society from third world countries is the lack of the government doing things for the common good. The government only serves the corporations and the rich who can afford the bribes. The common people have no voice because they do not contribute to the election campaigns of the politicians, and are kept in poverty so they can be exploited by the corporations.

Civilization starts at the local level with the concept of the commons, where people set aside some land to be used by all to grow their food. It starts with people banding together to demand that they get a living wage, and decent services (collective bargaining). Civilization and democracy meands that the people have a voice and that the government serve the people not just the rich and the corporations.

The tragedy is that this country built itself up and because of Roosevelt , the GI bill that allowed everyone to get an education, and the unions which brought us a 5 day work week the end of child labor etc. we were able to develop a middle class. That is the main difference between countries like Haiti and the developed world - the middle class that has a voice.

Now the Regressives are determined to eliminate the middle class. They want government that is only responsive to those with the most money and they want the people to loose their democratic voice. (Citizen's United) Now they want to destroy the unions which made the middle class possible. They are afraid of democracy and would prefer a government for the corporate rich, by the corporate rich, and of the corporate rich.

The short sighted short term cuts to basic services and critical functions of the government will create a country that is closer to Haiti's government. This is the type of small limited government that does not serve the people that the regressives are driving America towards.

That is the type of government the corporations want, so they don't have to worry about rules and regulations to protect the people and the environment and without unions so they can better exploit the workers till we look more like China than what used to be the greatest nation in the world.
14 months ago: "Now the Regressives are determined to eliminate the middle class."-altruist

Yes, Obama economic policies are accelerating the destruction of the American middle class.

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"They [regressives] are afraid of democracy"-altruist

Yes, the Dems and Unions are fighting against democracy in Wisconsin.

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Thanks for making those fine points. You are starting to see how these people with 'foreign ideas', 'un-American' (to quote sunny) ideas, are attacking our Constitution, our economy, our laws, and 'we the people'. Torries did much the same thing.

14 months ago: Okay Al.

You got me on this one.

I guess we should agree to follow the Japanese examples how the government reacts to tragedies.

That necessarily includes following the Japanese examples of how government employees, including political leaders, react AFTER tragedies.

Like, hara-kiri?

You are on to something there Al.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
14 months ago: The main purpose of government is to protect the people. The conservatives are fine with military spending and are very pro law and order. They just don't want to pay for them.

Another type of protection are the rules and regulations designed to make buildings strong, to insure we don't have poisons and pollutants in our food and to also protect the environment.

The protection of the people is opposed by the corporate conservatives, because the better buildings, the rules and restrictions on the corporations result in slightly higher costs.

That is why they oppose any rules or regulations on nuclear safety, claiming they raise costs. They claim that major quakes would only happen in ten thousand years. Now we know those odds are false.

It is for this reason that they poo poo the hundreds of thousands who die each year because of tobacco use, and the pollution from fossil fuels.

They are now paying the same PR firms they hired to fight tobacco legislation to fight any planning or prevention of Climate Change. They hire their own "scientists" willing to prostitute their scientific principals to spread lies and doubt about the factual scientific consensus shared by 95% of the scientific community.

Dick Cheney said that if there was even a 1% chance of weapons of mass destruction we should still invade Iraq. There is a 95% chance of Climate Change happening and the consequences are more dire than WOMD, Yet the corporate Conservatives are fighting the prevention or preparation of the coming Climate Change Disaster.

Greed is overcoming the will of the people and preventing the protection of the people.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
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14 months ago: Red
Bush and all of the conservatives caused the economic meltdown of the world, the Massey Coal mine disaster, the BP oil spill, etc. etc, but I think that requiring them to commit Hari Cari would be a bit extreme.

I do think it is stupid to put the same fools back in the drivers seat again.
14 months ago: Sofa comments are hilarious! I have to cut and paste to make sure this doesn't get mis-interpreted:

"Community organizers like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot also like a strong state. Every tyrant likes a strong state. Using a crisis to justify a strong state is consistent: Communism is built on rubble and dead bodies."

Could have included Bush in that list of tyrants. He certainly had a number of crisis situations to deal with and managed to meet each one with a staggering degree of worsening ineptitude. And part of his manufactured crisis building (war in Iraq) got the check mark in the box for 'dead bodies'.

Then he goes on to say:

"Maybe sheeple trained to be dependent on others need a strong organizer to tell them what to do, because they have surrendered the responsibility for their own lives into the hands of their masters.
But in America, we get along better without overlords."

From the guy who obviously voted for the party that took away all our rights.

Benjamin Franklin said this:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I know you chickenhawks on the right who love shouting about war but would never find yourselves near one have some trouble understanding the intent of that statement. Basically what it means is that if you vote for people who take away your rights because you're too afraid of what the boogie man is going to bring into your life, then you don't deserve any measure of safety.

And before you go off the deep end of me calling you a chickenhawk, I'm retired Navy and have served my country. How about you Sofa?
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: Thank you Bento. All I could think of was Communism after he wrote that comment. I would never admire those authors or even read their books. To me it would be un American. He thinks with a one-track mind and replies with a low remark when he can't get the best of you. My Uncle was a retired Navy Chief, and he knew a lot during his time serving his country and filled me in as I was growing up. I had some pretty good mentors along the way. I was very fortunate.
14 months ago: Thanks for the comments but beware of the sea stories. We all have them and some are even true. But regarding the reading of books, we don't want to build bonfires because those books are the only solid link to a past that we need to avoid. So you have to make the choice of either being informed or uninformed. I don't agree with communism and socialism is for the pie in the sky crowd. It may work in some countries but would never work in the U.S. under the true tenets of socialism. The very rich prefer to take us back 200 years and re-establish an oligarchy which would only look like socialism on the surface. It surprises me that righties aren't more into that since they like hanging on the the coattails of their betters.
14 months ago: sunny,
We should all be able to agree that facism, communism, socialism are 'un-American'.

Individual Life, Liberty, Property, and Responsibility is 'American'.
Facists, Socialists, and Communists (aka progressives) surrender those to an imposed collective.

Many took oaths to protect and defend against facists, socialists, and communists, foreign and domestic (and treasonous enablers of same).
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: Bento I'm listening to all the arguments. Being aware is the most important thing to avoid these characters rising up again. To me, it seems there is always someone there lurking, just ready to ponce on American soil given an opening by those that are weak and greedy. With all the pitfalls and all the darkness associated with some of these tyrants in the past, one only has to look at the destructiveness they've caused in their paths. One thing my Uncle told me about safety of our Country..."Remember we are always on alert." Of course, it was more than that he said. Most of my family was military and solid Americans. They wore their battle scars bravely in life. I don't know who would give up what we have for that way of life. I rather not go into the minds of any of these creatures by reading their words. I've already been schooled in what they do. In order to be healthy, I don't think it is necessary, as they have no wisdom to offer, only to sway.
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14 months ago: Bento

What has the 'party of personal freedom' done to restore any of our rights, or the rights of anyone in the world? So far the only rights I know of being restored are the rights to vote of convicted felons, led by a recipient of the Soros Justice Fellowship. Oh yeah, she was only caught transporting 740 lbs. of explosives to be used in domestic terrorism.

"...Could have included Bush in those statements..."

Already have, and will again, I'm sure. Also in the list is Obama and his cronies. They work for the same crew, you know.
14 months ago: I wouldn't disagree with you completely but following Bush must be like a nightmare beyond imagination. Stephen King probably couldn't come up with a more horrific plot. What's interesting is that the righties are marching in lockstep to the tune that is being played by those who are in real control and that is not the people who are our elected representatives. Policy making in our government regardless of party is not serving the people. We've been thrown under the bus too many times to count and it's not going to end whether there is a dem or a repub in office. We just get thrown under quicker when a repub is holding office.
14 months ago: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-bento

Thanks for pointing that out to altruist, who would force the rest of us to trade liberty for the temporary safety net of unions and strong governments. Mussolini had strong unions, and Hirohito, and Stalin, and Mao.

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"Bush in that list of tyrants"-bento

Yes Bush was an inept fool for placating the socialists (rino) and communists (d) and statists (both parties).
But comparing him to tyrants who killed ten of millions of their own countrymen?

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My service includes killing communists, as did my mother, father, uncles, cousins, and grandfathers.

Thank you for your service. Did you kill commies, or visit the portions of the globe where they committed genocide on their own people and upon others? Or did you kill jihadis, or visit portions of the globe where they commit genocide upon others, and rape and barbarity upon their own people?

Or are you suggesting that your country was committing genocide while you were in uniform? Did you commit the genocide? Or watch your shipmates do it?
Or does making that comparison make you look ridiculous?

sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: I'm sure he did his job to protect the likes of you. Your still here. To say those words to a person who has served his country and protected it and have someone like you try to put our militiary down, is low down. Just like I said - you can't win an argument so you hit people below the belt. You don't even refer to our Country as your country. When I go up to the Vietnam Memorial and see the names of those loss in battle to serve our country, I'll think of you and your words how ignorant you sound.
Sofa - "Or are you suggesting that your country was committing...
I never heard anyone talk like this...You talk out of two sides of your mouth.
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14 months ago: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I think he was saying that those who vote away their rights and freedoms (by electing a feel-good government) on the promise of a cushier life deserve to have their freedoms taken away.
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: He changes with the wind.
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: Did you read what he said?
markbyrn
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14 months ago: Al, I disagree that the Japanese handling of their crisis is prompted by any shallow political ideology that's in sync with your hyper-partisan cheerleading.

It's far more to do with ancient cultural norms that eschew hysteria, group-orientedness. and to quote the LA Times, "the implacably Japanese trait of exhibiting concern for others even in the worst of circumstances."

What prompted the quote was the following linked report about an elderly Japanese woman who had been trapped in the rubble of the Earthquake and when she reached hours later,

"she did what she said any "normal" person would do, her son-in-law recounted later: She apologized to them for the inconvenience, and asked if there weren't others they should be attending to first."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/13/...

Normal in Japan yes. On the flip side of the coin though, their cultural norms may also lead to the government being overly reticent and and understating the gravity of the disaster with respect to the damage to their nuclear reactors. When you have three reactors in various stages of melt down and spewing radiation into the atmosphere, the direction for nearly residents to simply stay indoors to avoid the radiation sickness seems rather tepid.
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: Not to get off the subject, but, there are so many new things that are allowed to be sold out to the public that causes sickness. We are not protected. It is only going to get worse. You can't practically buy anything anymore without a Warning Label on it - Proposition 65. I purchased something as a gift. "This product is guaranteed for years," but; however, "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. So much is allowed to go out to the people with no care anymore, and they don't tell you this until you have it in your hands that it releases fumes in the air. They put a warning out on the GPS, cell phones, exercise equipment. These are the things poisoning people presently, along with the latest nuclear plants exploding and releasing radio activity. The people opposed to Unions should think about other things.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
14 months ago: There seems to be some confusion over definitions of ideology and strong government. In my opinion a strong central government is one that is most attuned to the will of the people and which is best able to protect the nation as a whole for the long term.

This is opposed by small government ideologues who think tribally. There are some tragedies like the natural disasters that are now striking Japan that overwhelm local and even state governments. Most people realize that a federal government is necessary to raise a military to defend the nation, but a strong federal government is also necessary to maintain safety, health, and efficiency standards nationwide. It was necessary to have economic standards and rules to protect the people from the abuses of the financial institutions. It was deregulation and the relaxation of rules like the Glass Steagall act that resulted in the economic meltdown. The lack of inspectors and stringent safety rules that resulted in the Massey Coal disaster and the BP oil disaster, and it was the installation of a fool without any experience that made the Katrina disaster much worse. All of these disasters were the result of conservatives weakening the central government, and it all comes down to greed because the industries involved chaffed against safety rules and got their hired poodles to weaken the government, so that the Industries were strengthened and the people suffered.

It is the Conservatives and their belief in the "Unitary Executive" that brought us closer to a tyranny ruled by a monarch with Bush. He is the one that weakened the federal governments protection of the people, while vastly strengthening the obtrusive ability of the big government to spy on people and to take away their rights. The conservatives brought us closer to fascism, not the liberals.

It takes a strong central (Federal) government to come up with emergency response plans, and earthquake proof building codes to protect the people. But it is also the federal government that must improve national educational standards, provide energy policies that wean us off from oil and nukes, provide health care so we don't have 50 million without health insurance, provide immigration policies, and provide for balancing the budget and providing new revenue sources.

The Tea Party thinks that their radical policies are doing the will of the people, but these radicals only account for a small portion. 80% of the people want increased taxation of millionaires, 62% opposed eliminating collective bargaining rights to unions, 80% want the two parties to compromise to work out our problems instead of shutting down the government. http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/03/poll-...

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