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The Peoples Tax Cut

Posted 17 months ago|20 comments|671 views
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Robert Reich has recently suggested a way that we can pull the economy out of what looks like a double dip recession, and to create jobs.

He thinks that we should instate a Payroll Tax Cut by eliminating payroll taxes on the first $20,000 of income, and making up the revenue loss by applying payroll taxes to incomes above $250,000.

"This would give the economy an immediate boost by adding to the paychecks of just about every working American. 80 percent of Americans pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes. And because lower-income people would get most of the benefit, it's likely to be spent."

"It would also give employers an extra incentive to hire because they'd save on their share of the payroll tax. And most of the incentive would be directed toward hiring lower-income workers -- who have taken the biggest hit on jobs and pay during the recession."

"It wouldn't add to the deficit. Lost revenues would be made up by applying payroll taxes to income exceeding $250,000. This is certainly fair. As it is now, the Social Security payroll tax doesn't apply to any income over $106,000. Having the tax kick in again at $250,000 would draw on the top 3 percent of earners." " Income inequality has become so grotesque that the top 3 percent of households rake in almost a third of total income (the highest portion since 1928)."

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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Hmm, let me pull out the crystal ball here. The GOP will say that increasing taxes on incomes over $250,000 constitutes an attack on the middle class.
17 months ago: $250K middle class? Where do you live, Connecticut? where if you don't have 20 million in your checking account your probably the maid or butler or the cook, but certainly not the nanny, they don't make that much since many are illegal's who only take care of the 1.5, just for show, kids. Or maybe that's just Martha's Vineyard...... Oh dear, my dislike of rich easterners is showing, maybe if they had actually worked for their money instead of inheriting it I would be more kind. Truth be told, it's not just Connecticut, there are many places that have multi-millionaires who have never "worked" for their money, just had it handed to them the old fashioned way.

No, a person who makes $250K is not middle class, unless your pay scale is extremely skewed like ours is. The rich are a very small percentage of the population yet they take home most of the money and that amount has been increasing while the poor and middle classes take home money (adjusted for inflation) has actually decreased.

The top income bracket is close to 10% of the population who make more than $100K per year. Middle income bracket earn less than that, more like $50K give or take a few thousand. Low income bracket people make under $20K per year. If you call it a "class", some people make the mistake of thinking that High Class means they are decent people when we all know many have about as much class as a turd in the punch bowl.

Just think, if you were living before the depression, you would be making, in proportion across incomes, less income today than then, unless you are in the top bracket that is, they are making more, much, much more.

The so called bailout really was. They government bailed money out of the low and middle incomes pockets and dumped it into the top income pockets by the bucket full, and told us what a good thing they were doing for those who don't make much money. The rich and the super rich just smiled and said, "Thank you, now you can pay even higher fees on your credit cards and credit accounts so we can get even richer."
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Six, I agree and agree, and no I don't live in Connecticut. I live in Florida on a decidedly less than the middle class bracket amount you cited and my abode is not exactly upscale. In fact, over the weekend, somebody stole a dryer load of my clothes out of the apartment laundry room.
17 months ago: My income is pretty much fixed. House is four rooms, living/bedroom, kitchen, utility and bath. Outside is tar paper or plastic, depending on if it's ready for covering or temp. Working on an addition so we can move the bedroom out of the living room. Nope, not upscale here either, not even clasified as a house according to insurance estimaters. Of course the tax man has already put it on my taxes, even though it can't be insured or mortgaged.

Some people just don't know that you can get a better fit at Good Will and the price is pretty fair.

17 months ago: It would be nice if the $250k and over earners were indeed the middle class and made up more than the current fraction of the working population.

In regards to Robert Reich's idea: sounds fair to me.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: I really do expect the Tea Party to embrace the idea. They are the ones clambering for tax breaks.

If this is proposed and they don't support it, it will really take some mental gymnastics for them to get away from the fact that the right wing doesn't give a damn about the middle or lower classes. They only care about the rich.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: What a load of crap!!

Again with your communistic ideas.

They have never worked before.

We Patriots do not believe in punishing the successful people of our nation.

A communistic collective of the lower earners, against the higher earners is insane.

Your agenda to create a communistic collective will be opposed by all Normal people.

To attack the successful and reward the unsuccessful is a liberal attribute.

The mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

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QUESTION OF THE DAY FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO ANSWER.

The Commie Bleeding Heart Liberal is the child molesters and rapists best friend and protector.

The Conservative American is the child molesters and rapists worst enemy.

To protect your women and children, who would you vote for?

Who would you believe, trust and support?

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: Why do you think that the 2% that are earning 30% of all of the money in the country are patriots and deserve to make thousands of times more than the people who actually work for their money, like the police, teachers, carpenters, plumbers etc.?

The super rich have bribed the lawmakers in Washington to give them unfair tax breaks. I don't see much difference between them and the City manager in the cash strapped town of Bell in California who got the city council to vote him an outlandish salary of $800,000. Everyone in the country should be outraged at the super rich!

What do the derivative traders or the hedge fund managers do for the good of the country? Nothing! In fact they harm the nation. Why do they deserve huge tax breaks?

They bribed Washington to allow them to have their risky trading only taxed at 10%. Since they only pay 35% Income tax (instead of the 90% before Reagan), and they don't pay payroll tax (80% of Americans pay more payroll tax than Income Tax), they end up paying only 16.6% taxes.

What do we get for allowing them to have more money than god? We don't get jobs, the 8 years of Bush's tax breaks for the rich with 0% job growth proved that.

As a matter of fact the tax breaks on the rich are borrowed money and all we got for allowing the greatest income inequality since 1928, is a huge National Debt.

Well now it is time to pay off that debt. And the ones that should pay it are the ones who benefited most, not the ones that are already taxed too much. Why try to get blood from a stone, when there is a blood bank next door?

Why would anyone object to 98% of the people getting tax cuts while at the same time doing a tiny bit to address the injustice of the worst income inequality since 1928?
17 months ago: What we have here is yet another play from the playbook of the Kingfish Democrat himself, Huey P. Long and his "Share the Wealth" Party. You know…, Chicago is just up the river from Baton Rouge.

Just one look and one can see the enduring damage done to Louisiana by Huey Long and his like. The corruption, distrust, and yes even a substandard highway system.

A redistribution of wealth is nothing more than pandering to the unwashed masses by an elitist few who profit from the suffering of the poor and disadvantaged.

As far as Reich is concerned, I would expect nothing less from Berkeley.

The Democrats and Republicans both have been playing the slight-of-hand for years, but it is the Democrats who have taken plays from their Grand Masters and played them like never before. And they are taking the big win it seems, while our country slowly collapses around us.

And I don't believe there's some Bilderberg-like conspiracy... simply misguided and outright stupid ideologues, criminals, and profiteers.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: Making $250,000 a year or have a property that can be taxes at that rate, does NOT qualify you as THE SUPER RICH.

You commies are SUPER STUPID, to think that a family making $250,000 is the cause our problems, or the means to our salvation if we tax them until they die.

Your communist agenda is being exposed every day. Some day we will remove all communists from the government and we will prosper.

FYI -- the super rich are the commie International bankers that own our government and keep you rotten stinking commies in power.

The mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: The redistribution of wealth and the class warfare started with Reagan when he redistributed the burden of taxes from the rich onto the middle class.

Since then every Republican administration and Congress has shifted the tax burden more onto those who can afford it least, and the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.

The amazing thing is that the vast right wing propaganda machine has convinced a large proportion of the middle class to support those who are harming them the most. It is Obama that has given tax cuts to 95% of the people and yet he is castigated for trying to raise taxes on the super rich.

The rubes like IOU 1958 and Ron can't do the simple math and realize that when you give the rich tax breaks, it gets paid for by increased taxes, fees and reductions of services for the n poor and middle classes.

Every time the right talks about simplifying taxes, it would be by a flat tax, the "Fair" tax, or a sales tax that would put even more of a burden on those who can least afford it while allowing the rich huge tax cuts.
17 months ago: Briefly, President Bush gave every possible advantage to big business. His philosophy (which he actually stated outright) was:

As big business succeeds, so then, the common man benefits.

Whereas President Obama would tax really big business and really wealthy individuals, but tax small business less, and tax the average wage earner, less.

These are two very different ideas, don't you see? My understanding of our country's success is with small business and common wage earners. As they pay a fair share, but not most of the tax burden, then there is a potential for improvement.

But when Big business can tromp about boldly, it makes big problems, it doesn't keep its ethics in, it needs policing and it shouldn't be allowed to run rough - trodden over the common wage earner. It should be taxed appropriate to the burden it causes.

Enron was very big business and caused a lot of damage. BP is very big business and has caused a lot of damage. Wall Street has burst several economic bubbles and caused a great deal of damage. Those businesses should bear a tax burden that reflects their cost to common people.
17 months ago: No Al.

The Fair Tax will work perfectly.

Poor people will have all the taxes they pay for necessities returned to them in a weekly (I think) check.

Poor people will have NO TAXES under the Fair Tax.

Those spending the most money will pay the most taxes.

It is perfect. It is fair.
17 months ago: How much a person spends should not be the gauge by how much he pays in taxes. The rich and super rich can live on the same amount of money as a person making less than $20K a year. How much tax revenue do you think their billions would generate then?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: The Unfair tax is simply a sales tax of about 23%-30% It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes. everyone under the poverty level would get a prebate so they wouldn't have to pay any taxes at all, and those making double the poverty level would pay 11.3%.

Under the current 2009 tax code, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax. So the unfair tax would certainly raise their taxes.

If you sit down with some tax tables and figure out everything for the Average earner making $50K They would pay about $ 9K in taxes now and about $ 10K under the unfair tax.

The Republicans and the rich really like the unfair tax because a millionaire's taxes would go down from about $450K to about $50K under the unfair tax.

And that is just counting the Income Tax. The estate taxes, Capital gains taxes etc. that would be abolished, only effect the top 2-3% So they would receive an even greater break.

Currently the billionaires only pay 16.6% because of breaks in the tax code that allow them to pay a lower tax rate than a typical secretary. Still for a billionaire that means $166.6 million dollars.

If they lived a fairly simple life and only purchased say a hundred times more than the average American, their unfair tax would only be about a million dollars, so they would save $165.6 million dollars!

That is why the right wing is pushing the Unfair tax. They only care about the rich.
17 months ago: Al.

Respectfully, your view point is skewed.

Who do you think creates JOBS?

Honestly ASK yourself why Apple Computer built a plant that employs 200,000 people (THAT IS 200,000 JOBS!), in CHINA to manufacture I PADS to be sold in the UNITED STATES?

huh?

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD AL. I wish you liberals would wake up man.

You guys are destroying our country man.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: And that doesn't account for the Corporations. Now only about half of the corporations pay any tax, but under the unfair tax NO CORPORATE Income Taxes would be paid.

They say that it would be revenue neutral at 23-30% but it makes you wonder If the rich and the corporations would just pay a fraction of what they pay now, who would Really get stuck with the bills.

That is what happens when the rich and the corporations have the lawmakers in their pockets.

Traditionally the way this works is that when corporations and the rich get breaks, services get cut and State and Local governments make up for the shortfall by charging more for any services while cutting back on services. Local taxes and fees would skyrocket mostly for the middle class. How many millionaires do you know that use government services?
17 months ago: Life has to be miserable worrying about how to get more money from the rich.

While I have no personal knowledge, I understand being RICH ain't all as fun as it's supposed to be Al.

Your wrong Al.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
17 months ago: Well, now that corporations are people, I guess they can count on an income tax raise too. They can't have it both ways, now can they?

But, this is what everyone knew was going to happen. You give a ton of money away, to people who are just itching to go out and "get theirs", and you are going to have a short term artificial rebound. When the money is gone on new car, tv's, jewelry, clothes, then what?

If the tax break idea would work, why didn't they just do it in the first place, before we got saddled with an additional THREE TRILLION DOLLARS OF INTEREST PAYMENTS!!!!!!!
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: You can never get a commie liberal to understand percentages in taxation.

His agenda is to ruin the businesses and the successful people of the world.

Remember this fact, he is mentally a member of the communist collective he calls the NEW WORLD ORDER. That is the highest desire of all commies.

That is the form of government that they will kill us for.

A COMMUNIST CORPORATE COLLECTIVE DEMOCRACY.

You will never own anything ever again.

The collective will own everything.

The mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...

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