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The Father Loves Me And Jesus Died for My Sins No Trinity!

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The Trinity teaching is not biblical. Spiritual possession on the other hand is. One can be led by "the spirit" of demons or the spirit of the creator. Jesus was constantly accused by the adversary of man along with his minions of being possessed of demons but he retorted by saying that Satan cannot cast out Satan. Jesus was the first human being that while having faulty human DNA (if you will) was made perfect by the indwelling spirit of his father. Because he himself had no human father it was God himself who sired his paternal DNA. Jesus said that it was his father who was his guide. Unlike you and me, he like Adam had the blueprint for following God built right in and much like Adam was able to access it as a source for making the right choices.

Adam however fouled it up for himself and his offspring by cutting of this life link through willful disregard of its instruction, something that Jesus emphatically did not and unlike Adam, Jesus had a fouled up blueprint that he inherited from his mother's side that constantly opened him up to attacks from the adversary of man and to second guessing. This is what makes his sacrifice so great. Jesus devoted his life to selfless obedience for the sake of humanity. This is why God's gift is so great, because without the direct infusion of his spirit back into humanity (a second chance if you will) Jesus could not have lived a sinless life.

It is this cooperation between The Heavenly Father and his only begotten (that means sired) son that gets to be played out over and over again in the lives of believers throughout the ages. It is because he did not give in to his human nature but instead tenaciously followed his father's guidance that he was able to overcome the world and why we have hope now and are able to be grafted on as children of God.

There is no three headed God ruling the universe. God has only one head. He is only one. He has only one spirit and it is a living spirit (not a force or energy) that permeates every fiber of the cosmos and that animates all living things. The bible speaks of him and him alone as the source of life. If you seek a multi-headed god then you have to look in the book of Revelation because it is there that it describes a Dragon with seven heads that seeks to usurp the power of the almighty and that dragon is identified as the enemy himself Satan.
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3 months ago: "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)
3 months ago: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:1, 14)
3 months ago: I only see one God...
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3 months ago: Dwayne, it sounds like a detective story. We don't have the tools or information to analyse. Truth is right when he says he only sees one God. Those who believe only see that. It is a blessing.
You wrote "Jesus had a fouled up blueprint that he inherited from his mother's side that constantly opened him up to attacks from the adversary of man and to second guessing." When, What, and Where? You are talking against His mother. I adore her. I pray to her and she answers my prayers. People take refuge in her because they trust her. What is a fouled up blueprint." When we are raised our mother's love us in spite of us unconditionally and we are guiding but have to learn for ourselves. He was human and learned like every kid did, but he had a mission to fulfill.
Jesus was crucified because of the political wars going on. It was politics. The same as it is today.
Maybe I don't understand fully what you are bringing across.
You don't believe in the Trinity but you believe in one God. You don't believe in Jesus as part of the Holy Trinity? Is that it? I can't talk against Jesus. He is there as many know who have experienced His greatest and His love. The way I see it, if we analyse, which we really shouldn't. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are one. If I look at it this way we come through one parent to another ourselves, we are still part of the other from the very beginning, the source. The Holy spirit is Jesus' source. So why is it so far fatched. I don't think we know enough about it, but we have to accept what we are taught. I wouldn't get the stupid devil involved. It is better to follow what we are taught because it works.
Not good to allow any other entity slip into it. Where does he have faulty DNA?
3 months ago: Sunny,

Sin is not just a choice to disobey God; it becomes an insidious flaw in our genetic make-up when we choose to indulge it. Jesus was imbued with God's holy spirit by birth much the same way that Adam was but unlike Adam he was not made from the earth, instead he was be gotten(sired, fathered) just like you and I except that his father was not a man but God. This means that he was not just filled with the power of his Father's spirit but he was also susceptible to the flaws and weakness the beset us all that we inherit from our human parentage.


3 months ago: TB,
There is only one God, he is spirit and he did not die! He is and was and will always be everlasting! It is his spirit that animated the man we call Jesus. It was his living spirit that brought Jesus back from a very real death. Jesus was possessed by the spirit of God because he surrendered to him wholly but Jesus was not and cannot ever be God because Jesus was the sacrifice. It is the Spirit that is in him that is God. God spoke through him. God possessed him. Jesus was his!
3 months ago: DJ,

Either you can't or won't read... otherwise you don't understand... it is OK for you not to believe the Bible, not a problem... but both the Old Testament and New both clearly state Jesus is God in the flesh. SO, don't believe. But if you are trying to rewrite the Bible, sorry too many manuscripts out there to fudge...

The God of the Old Testament says...

"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.' Zechariah 12:10

The God of the New Testament says...

"...Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." Revelation 1:17-18

I am not trying to force you to believe, I am just giving you more information out of a book you can take or leave.
3 months ago: Sunny,
One more thing, praying is an act of worship. It is sacrilegious to pray to anyone other than God. Mary should not be worshipped or prayed to. You should direct all your prayers as Jesus instructed to "Our Father who art in heaven…" Nobody can intercede for you before God especially not the dead because Jesus said that the dead are, "asleep." Jesus is the only exception because he is raised. He is the atonement and our intercessor.
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3 months ago: Dwayne I can pretty much understand anything, but don't talk about things that are precious to me. Mary is the Mother of God. Like any good mother she is held in high esteem by Him. She never died, and she will live forever. Some have the privelege of knowing her and others don't. You shouldn't say things about a person that others love and you have no idea what she is about. I love her and I will continue to love her and pray to her. It doesn't matter what others do that's there business. I'm accountable for myself.
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3 months ago: Dwayne, I get what you are saying, but I think it gets lost in translation. Why is it so impossible that they are not one in the same. Maybe that was God's way of getting here by being born. By being born, he would be called the Son. If Jesus had to die to get to heaven, then he had to be born to come here. I don't think anyone in any way shape or form could match Jesus. Jesus wasn't the sacrifice. He was not a sacrifical lamb. He was born King. I never heard that he was a sacrifice. Well, we are all entitled to think what we want, but you can't change my mind. There is only one God in the Holy Trinity. God Bless you Dwayne. You're a good kid. It's all an adventure.
3 months ago: Sunny,
Are you saying that God, who is eternal, has a mother? If God, who has no beginning, has a mother than he can't be eternal and he can't be God; everyone who has a mother has a beginning. Jesus has a mother and she was human. All humans die. It is the consequence of sin. Mary having two human parents was born a sinner and died just like the rest of us. Jesus who was also human overcame death by the indwelling spirit of his Father who is God. The Father is God. Jesus, his son, is not. He was possessed of the spirit of God. Mary the mother of Jesus was not the Mother of God because God cannot have a mother. God is eternal. Jesus is not God. Jesus is not his Father. His Father is God, not Jesus. If God died then all life died with him and we would not exist.
John the Baptist announced Jesus at Jesus inaugural baptism by saying "Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world." Every person listening to John that day understood that the Baptist was referring to the sacrificial, atoning Lamb that they had to sacrifice in order to be forgiven of their sins. You may worship as you please and whom you please but understand that your religion is not the one that Jesus practiced. Jesus was a Jew and so was his mother Mary. They did not worship a Mother Goddess nor did they believe in a Triune God. They worshipped the Creator of the universe and offered animal sacrifices in anticipation of the coming atonement. John the Baptist announced Jesus to be that atonement. Jesus himself said he was the bread of life that would be broken for our sins. His blood was spilled so that we can live. How can you say that he was not our sacrifice? There is no other name by which we may be saved!
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3 months ago: Yes, he has a mother who has no sin. Our prayer goes like this universally.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

In the Hail Mary you are presenting your needs to God.
She ascended into heaven, she never died.
In the world you know, you can't grasp that concept.
It's fine. I am a strong believer in her. She is the Mother of all mother's to all. I can't speak of her any more. I have too much respect and love for her as the Mother of God.

3 months ago: Sorry Sunny,

Mary was a sinner, and she said so, and that she was in need of a savior....

Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. (Luke 1:46-48)

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)


3 months ago: And as Jesus is clearly God, He is both Savior and mediator in the flesh!
3 months ago: See above, 1 Timothy 2:5. Read it really really careful and maybe you can see and understand your failure to comprehend. You posted it, maybe you should read it.
3 months ago: You nor any other being can be a mediator "between" two other beings if it is one of the two. Not even a god. There must be seperation both physical and mental for their to be two.
3 months ago: Six,

This is why God manifested in the flesh, here is some context...

"This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time." (1 Timothy 2:3-6)

"Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted." (Hebrews 2:14-18)

...The only way God can be a 'mediator' or arbiter of a New Covenant with man, and to fairly represent him... is to become like him, and be subject in all weakness and limitations... this He did, and it wasn't too hard for Him.

"But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." (Hebrews 12:22-24)
3 months ago: This is a lot to bite off, and it takes a bit of study...

"For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:21-28)

3 months ago: Going to take a chance here, because I think you guys will be able to see this... and it is why God had to come in the flesh, and 'buy-back' what Adam lost...

"But someone will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man." 1 Corinthians 15:35-49)
3 months ago: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,.."

Couldn't say it better myself, two beings, God and Christ Jesus, one who is God and one who is the mediator between God and mankind.

Still no trinity.
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3 months ago: No Truth. This goes beyond what possibly at this time you know.
She was not a sinner. I will not talk about this to anyone.
You guys are all about men things. Give somebody else a chance.
Perhaps say something good about a female.
3 months ago: Sunny, I thought you were more level headed than that! I know you aren't talking to me but I am reading your posts and you have gone from discussing the topic and side topics to "It's my way or the highway". What gives? Someone says they don't agree with you and now you take your ball and go home? Everyone has an opinion. If you put words on the screen and someone comments about them, either join in with your input or stay quiet. You are sounding like the women who demand equality but expect men to open doors and pull out chairs for them or even worse displays of bygone days and ways.

It's not our fault men did what they did for thousands of years before we were born but to lash out and say we are just like them is pretty hurtful. We are giving you (and any other woman who desires to join in) a chance; you got to join a website all by yourself didn't you. Now act like an equal and either put your two cents worth in the pot and take your lick'en like a human and get over it, or log off and change your email address so you won't get any more updates.

You've been a good adversary and supporter at times and you would be missed if you abandon your spot in this fray over your beliefs just because someone has a different opinion. Think of it like this: someone calls you a son of a b, does that mean your mother was a dog? No, it means you are being difficult for no apparent reason, just like a mother dog that has a hidden litter and doesn't want anyone to get too close. (Yes I know they wouldn't say "son of" they would just say the b word, but you get my meaning I'm sure.)(and no, I am not calling you that.)

Maybe you have put the pedestal a bit too high for a religious figure. According to the theory of Christian belief, only one person in all of humanity was without sin and it wasn't Mary. That's a lot of humans, before and after her time. That is except newborns of course, you can't have committed a sin if you haven't the ability to contemplate what one is and what your parents did has nothing to do with your record. That thinking is what kept babies in prison to pay their parents debts once they got old enough to work, we don't do that in this country anymore.

You have to "eat" the whole apple, not just the parts you want, otherwise you don't get all of the worm.
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3 months ago: Six, what's going on. I'm sorry, I didn't want to insult anyone. I've had a bad couple of days. I'm probably biting at everyone. Dwayne is also right and so are you and so is Truth.
I happen to believe in her and everything she stands for as the mother of God.
I would think the mother of God would be treated with great respect and have special graces. I'm a Roman Catholic and that is my faith and beliefs. Nobody has to agree.
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3 months ago: Six, I don't even know what I said, but no excuse for running your mouth on me. "We are giving you (and any other woman who desires to join in) a chance) Talk about macho. Is that what you said? Come again.
Where did I say it was your fault. Also, a lot of this is so over analysed it is to the point of being rediculous. Now act like an equal! What? Take a walk if you can't take it because I am no shrinking violet.
3 months ago: Six and DJ,

Here is an Old Testament prophesy, where God is talking to Isaiah...

"Come near unto me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, has sent me." (Isaiah 48:16)

...in conjunction with the 'Emanuel' prophesies (you know "God with us") God is describing how he plans to come in the flesh, from the perspective of the flesh... "...there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, has sent me."

BUT the best one is this... is your "arm" separate from you? IS your arm another person than you? or is it just an extension of you?? Check this out...

Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the ARM OF THE LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.... (The whole chapter is an incredible read)

Jesus is called the "arm of the Lord" ...not a separate person, rather an extension of the one and only true God.
3 months ago: Bad choice of words. Maybe. You seemed to think we were picking on women or being chauvinistic. Like I said, I know you weren't talking at me. Chill a bit. Your last two post (this one and the one above) contradict each other to some degree.
3 months ago: Sunny,

Jesus Himself never elevated Mary, in fact He put her on the same level of those who would obey His word...

"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."
He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." (Matthew 12:46-50)
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3 months ago: True
3 months ago: That is not the religion of the bible. You and I do not worship the same God. Yours was born of a woman and mine is eternal. Mine says that all have sinned and come short of his glory. Yours contradicts that.
3 months ago: DJ, I wish you well in your conversation with those who believe in things that are neither possible nor Biblical. They have spent year's scripture hopping and making correlations to fit their idea of what God, The Holy Spirit and Jesus are, finally landing on the Holy Trinity as one being. Your battle will be long and hard and when you mix in Mary as a human mother of Jesus, you add layers of crazy ideas of whose mother she really is.

Sorry Sunny, he is right, you shouldn't pray to someone's mother in the belief she birthed a god who was the father of her son, it is a bit creepy just thinking about the process. And as for DJ talking about the whole mess and how it offends you, that is what the site is for, your beliefs are your own and he is talking to the world, not just picking on you. And if you never heard that Jesus was sent as a sacrifice, you haven't been to a Christian church, they all say basically the same thing.

Mary, mother of God, sounds like a Catholic belief; same place where they expect you to go to a Priest to get forgiveness for any "sins" you may have been party to, same place where they have more idols than Sodom or Gomorrah. IF I believed in "God" and the whole Heaven and Hell story, the last place I'd bother with was an organized religion, direct prayer would be my choice, no use messing with a bunch of self-serving go-betweens.

Jesus was real and so were his mother and father, as to the rest of the story.....
3 months ago: Six,
It honestly is a convoluted mess because people choose to glue together whatever cockamamie idea that they were brought up with or that they found plausible along the way together. Religion shouldn't begin with the esoteric but with the simple and obvious.


It is incredulous to think that something so critically important could be so convoluted. I have no problem believing that God could father a child with a clean set of DNA to match up and fix the busted up one that humans already have. That sounds a lot like modern gene therapy. It makes sense. So to say that Jesus is the key to eternal life sound rational and acceptable.


However if like you said God became a baby who had a mother and that mother is therefore God's mother and since God is perfect then that mother is perfect and they are all part of a set of two other distinct beings who are not actually distinct because they are one but they are not because they are actually three except when they are four and one of them is their/his mother…..


It gets exhausting. Salvation is not that complicated. God who lives forever, made me and loves me is going to fix me. I believe it and if he doesn't there is no love lost. I lived a happy life being kind to the earth, its creatures and my fellow humans. If a whack job's esoteric rites or babbling's send me to a perpetual state of burning torture because I couldn't except the ranting's of an apparent madman then so be it, I not only don't want his heaven but I don't deserve to be there.
3 months ago: DJ,

It is interesting that you select certain scriptures to quote and uphold, while avoiding or discounting the rest...
3 months ago: TB,
Honestly, do you think I have not read all the Trinitarian proof texts? They are numerous because they all deal with the interaction between God and humans. But that does not make them proof for a Trinity. God's dealing with the salvation of humanity is a plan he put into action before we even existed. One Christian writer said that it will be the study of the redeemed for all eternity.


The magnitude of how perfect flawless divinity can join with flawed disgraced humanity to uplift, cleanse and perfect us is a complexity that will only be understood as our heavenly father himself unfolds it throughout countless ages. God is the one who saves! He is the one who perfects! Jesus is the medium. He is the bridge. Because of him we are made whole.


Time and time again this lesson was told to the Israelites. Even Abraham was told to go sacrifice his son not himself. Check your proof text's in context without a Trinitarian bias or slant and you will see that they don't actually say what you think they say. God is spirit and he works both in the spirit and in the flesh. It honestly can't get any simpler than that.
3 months ago: TB, pot calling the kettle black? Talk about selective scripture hopping!
3 months ago: Six,

Here is a couple for you... Jesus refers to His Father in Heaven, as well as Himself which is in Heaven...

"For whoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 112:50)

"And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13)
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3 months ago: Nobody has to agree with me. It's okay it doesn't affect me in any way.
You should never close the door on life or heaven because none of us know the truth yet. Intelligence is opening up all prospects in the mind.
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3 months ago: You guys I never criticize you for your beliefs. You can believe what you want. You shouldn't say No to anything because you don't know yet.
Maybe others found out more and your still learning.
I love the Bible but it has been passed on from man to man for centuries and has been rewritten by kings and nobleman who knew less than us.
What does that say? You offend me when you say No Trinity. I don't do that to you. I respect where you are.
3 months ago: Offend you? Why should what someone else says offend you? Next you will be crying for others like you to cut off the offenders heads just like the extremists of another religion because it "offends" you that "they" don't believe as you do.

Step back and chill a bit. Be offended if the attack is upon you personally not upon your beliefs, there is a difference. No one said you smelled bad or your teeth were green or that your hair style made you look like a clown. Those would be personal attacks that could offend you if they were not true. Saying that something you believe in is not as pure as you think and then backing it up with fact from the very source your beliefs are based upon shouldn't offend you, it should enlighten you to the fact that maybe you don't have the story exactly right or have been taught it wrong.

Not the first time someone has been taught something that is not quite what it is. Used to be the world was flat and all the religious leaders agreed to punish any who said different. I believe that would be the Catholic Church leaders and they put a lot of true scholars in prison for disagreeing with them. Who is to say they are not still teaching things that are not quite true? Someone who believes every word out of the Pope's mouth or someone who will question something that doesn't jive with known facts?

Mary could not be the mother of God. He (if he exists) was here long before she was even born. Chicken and the egg delima it is not. You can not birth what already exists. The terminology is not correct and until it is corrected, it is wrong no matter how strenously the Catholic Church insists upon it.

I'm going to go chill before I talk myself in to being upset.
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3 months ago: Six, Please don't be upset over this site.
This is just a place to talk back and forth and we all have opinions.
I'm not talking about it any more, but I won't change my beliefs for you.
God is love that's how I see it.
I really don't see the point of this.
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3 months ago: Gees!
3 months ago: Sunny, we're good. Wouldn't ask you to change, they are your own, just be tolerate of others commenting on them and disagreeing with them without becomeing defensive to the point of saying they should not talk about them.

"I really don't see the point of this." See your second sentence.
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3 months ago: Six, I had a really bad day. I probably am just typing away.
Yup, we are good. I can't help if I like everyone and talk to them like I'm their friend. I didn't think anyone minded. Should be use to me by now. I do joke a lot. I had a really tough day dealing with people on the outside. People can drive you up a wall.
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3 months ago: You are starting to get insulting.
Who appointed you spokesman for the universe
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3 months ago: Sometimes people read too much but don't see what is right in front of their faces.
You know what you know from reading. Good for you.
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3 months ago: All you people can do is mock anothers beliefs because you don't understand yourselves let alone someone else.
3 months ago: Straining at at gnat and swallowing a camel.

Mary is the earthy mother of Jesus. Mary is the Mother of Jesus' humanity, not His Deity. That is how she can call Him Lord and Savior and yet be His mother. The only thing that is eternal is God. Jesus has no beginning in time according to the scriptures. Ok? The only thing that can be eternal is that which has no beggining. That is the Creator. The I Am.

Luke 1:46-49
And Mary said:
"My soul exalts the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. "For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;
For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed. "For the Mighty One has done great things for me;
And holy is His Name.

Stop the non-nonsense. God gets no glory from it.
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3 months ago: Your nonsense. You stop.
3 months ago: What did I post that was nonsense?
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3 months ago: I'm joking with you, Huey.
3 months ago: Stutters unintentional but hope they provide emphasis and not distraction. Honest exegesis requires humility and understanding not pride and eternal judgment from we who are so prone to having it wrong.

K?
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3 months ago: Huey, I'm a Roman Catholic. I am proud of it and I don't care about anybody.
I don't have to read a book to know. I won't budge on my beliefs.
3 months ago: "I won't budge on my beliefs"

I never asked you to. BTW - my comments are to all concerned parties, not you specifically.
3 months ago: To whom it may concern...

ANY teachings doctrines or beliefs I treat merely on a subject level, and try not to feel attacked when challenged or disagreed with. However what is personal to each one of us, is the trust we invest in said beliefs and convictions... so it is perfectly natural to feel disrespected when questioned... as if someone doesn't believe us and in effect insinuates that we are liars. No problem... God's Word says... "Let God be true though every one were a liar" (Romans 3:4)

I often quote passages to keep my personal 'take' off a given subject, however I would like to "shoot from the hip" a little and give my personal take on what God did by becoming flesh, and dwelling among us...

IF God exists, and we are created in His image... it shouldn't be too hard to figure then, that God is greater in intelligence than anyone He created... and would have figured a few things out... by being man's God.

1) God would have known that an intelligent man would question God's motives for creating him... like ego, slavery... etc.

2) God would have reasoned that being an all powerful creator over His own creation would be highly suspect to lay out rules for co-existence.

3) God would have known the choices man was going to make... and their inevitable outcomes, pain and destruction.

SO the way I figure it is, He rigged it so that 1) He couldn't be our God without our permission; 2) In order to gain "control" He would first have to live and die as the lowest, weakest foulest creature that He made; 3) Only then He would know personally our plight and our weakness, and be able to rule as a worthy man and a trusted God. Otherwise His accuser would be able to say... "You don't know what it is like" or "Easy for you to judge from the safety of your throne" ...or something to that effect.

I believe that God spent eternity past thinking out all the scenarios and possibilities for us to co-exist with Him... and appreciate His commitment regardless of the cost Him.
3 months ago: Last statement should read...

"I believe that God spent eternity past thinking out all the scenarios and possibilities for us to co-exist with Him... and appreciate His commitment, regardless of the cost to Him.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Truth, that is well written.
The Bible is needed by all mankind. I love the Bible and the scriptures. Where would we be without it. Each of us must have its teachings.
Many people try very hard to understand but don't get it. I don't get upset by others beliefs. It's their journey in life. I can't judge or think it is wrong.
I see things as basic truths, and then we have to work at it throughout our lives.
You try and do what is right each day and that is all we can do. Bottom line is we don't know and the most important thing is people have to respect each other. We aren't meant to think alike because as I said it is each one's journey to learn for themselves as well as me.
3 months ago: I love this topic because it gets people conversing. If only we could be just as outspoken about potted plants then I wouldn't have to keep challenging people's fundamental beliefs!
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3 months ago: I wear quite a few hats with the little ones I helped create. I am the lawgiver, and the judge. I am also the merciful forgiver. I am the giver of bread, the comforter, and the teacher. I am the father, the friend, the companion, and more recently, even the mother at times.

I can't be in three places at once, but if I could, believe me, in the name of love for my children, I would be. I think it would be fair to say that if God is all powerful, He could be in more than one place at a time, he could even be everywhere all at once.

What is so hard to imagine that God could be in Heaven, AND in a physical body here on Earth at the same time? That's two places at once.

When Jesus says ..."But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things".... it defines the Holy Spirit as a separate entity from both God and Jesus. Or does it?

"And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: That is really nice about wearing a few hats.
When you love your family, you are willing to give up everything and sacrifice for them to have a better life. You give them a safety net that can't be found anywhere else. Most of all you teach them by setting an example to carry on.
I believe strongly in God. That's all that counts. I don't have to spend my time trying to figure it out because I accept it. This is where you can find peace of mind. Good comment Box.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Actually, come to think about it you are in 3 or more places at once.
When you teach and show example no matter where your children are, you are with them in mind and spirit.
3 months ago: DJ,

The difference between us is you care as much about truth as what the plants are potted in, to you it's a game... to me it is life itself.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Right, life itself. Good.
I wish others could see it so easily. I believe some people have that gift of being able to see things more clearly.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: These comments are really exceptional.

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