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The Cove

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Altruist
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We just finished watching the documentary movie called the Cove. Winner of the Audience Award for Best Documentary at the 2009 Sundance Film Festival. One of the major people behind this film is the person who captured and trained the 5 dolphins that were filmed for the movie Flipper.

Most people in the world love Dolphins and whales. These powerful and gentle creatures are amongst the smartest animals in the world and Dolphins have larger brains than humans for their body weight.

Japan is hunting whales and slaughtering 23,000 Dolphins for meat every year. Because dolphins are at the top of the food chain, mercury is concentrated. Allowable rates of mercury are .4 ppm but samples of dolphin meat registered 2000ppm! This meat is unpopular so they sell it as whale meat. The government trying to get rid of a surplus decided to feed it to the school kids. At least as a result of this film, they stopped poisoning the school kids.

If most Japanese oppose it, and don't like the meat, why kill them? Some fishermen see the disappearing fishery stocks due to over fishing and blame the sea lions and dolphins because they eat fish.

The problem is not with the dolphins the problem is us humans. McDonald's sells so many fish sandwiches that the fish they catch can become endangered. They used to use Pollack, but they became scarce, then they used Orange Roughy but they became scarce, then they found an ugly fish called Hoki, and now that is becoming scarce. See: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/your-filet-o-fish-is-endangered

A global 10 year study published in the international journal Nature, concludes that 90 percent of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century, the devastating result of industrial fishing. Things look grim for large species like sharks, swordfish, tuna and marlin. See: http://www.icue.com/portal/site/iCue/flatview/?cuecard=39768

One of the most damaging methods of fishing is called bottom trawling. Huge nets that are weighted at the bottom are dragged along the sea bed, destroying corals and other life. This is like strip mining the ocean and a large proportion of the catch (the bycatch)is killed and just dumped overboard again because they are not the preferred species. 27 million tons of fish - 27% of that taken is thrown back dead! http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/fish/amaze.html

Another problem is that fishermen like to take the large fish, but some fish live as long as humans, except they law increasingly greater amounts of healthier eggs the older they get, so by only leaving the young immature fish we easily damage the species. One of the good things Bush did when he was in office is double the size of our ocean reserves, so these large fish can have room to reproduce.

Another danger to the sea is the increasing number and increasing size of dead zones occurring in the sea during the last 50 years. This is the result of excess nitrogen and phosphorous in rivers from sewage and farm run off. It creates algal blooms and when the algae die it depletes the oxygen so everything dies. Some dead zones are hundreds of miles wide. See: http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/deadzone/general.html

It is easy to look at the vastness of the oceans and imagine that we puny humans are insignificant compared to the vastness that covers 70% of the planet, but we are damaging this planet. Over 70% of the fisheries are depleted, and that is because of us. We are killing the oceans with pollutants and turning them acidic from too much CO2, and now we are changing the temperature of the planet so temperature sensitive coral will die. Coral reefs contain 25% of the life in the oceans even though they only cover 1% of the area. See: http://www.takepart.com/issues/overfishing/1114

I am raving instead of ranting because I think it is wonderful that films like The Cove are finally starting to educate people about the state of our planet. It is not too late to save it if we know what is happening out there in our beautiful oceans.
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: Corporations value profits, more than our lives.

We humans are paying the price with our creatures, placed here to help us survive.

Over fishing and pollution is treason to Mother Nature.

We have to speak out against these corporations, and never buy their stocks or bonds.

The PH diet is another way to go. It is a diet with only 5% animal meat and animal products in it.

That means that it would be a 95% lost of profits to these dirty bag corporations.

We could save the world with just deciding to stay healthy.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Films to educate or indoctrinate? I'm all about sustaining the environment based on credible science but when you're pushing filet-o-fish stories, you're bordering on eco-kook. I'd also like to see credible solutions that don't involve the implied use of the Morgenthau solution in which Henry Morgenthau Jr proposed that post WWII Germany be forced to return to a pre-Industrial Revolution agrarian economy, and culling the 'us humans' herd.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: I have never heard or read anything about environmentalists wanting people to go back to a pre-industrial economy although we would stress the planet less if we had a lot less people to feed,

What most environmentalists advocate is sustainable development. Just don't take more stuff from the oceans than can be regenerated. We also need more ocean reserves, we need to regulate fisheries to outlaw bottom trawling and preserve the older more fertile fish and start taking the younger immature fish instead. Basically we need to stop damaging the earth. Dumping sewage and factory farm sludge in rivers is illegal most places and should be outlawed everywhere.
Indoctrination is what happens when corporations hire the same firms that defended tobacco products, to spread doubt about human caused global warming. They hire scientists to prostitute their scientific principles and spread false information.
The amount of real information and scientific research is truly immense and it takes a willfully ignorant person to ignore all of it. Pointing out the truth and giving numerous scientifically accurate sources to those who are ignorant, is education.
25 months ago: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/your-filet-o-fish-is-endangered

According to that very article, New Zealand thinks that the Hoki are coming back/doing fine and that harvesting 100,000 tons isn’t a problem (they decreased the quotas). Also I think that part of the problem is the method of catching the fish, the bottom trawling, not the quantity of fish being taken that is causing the most damage to the fisheries.

Why do conservationists want to compare brain sizes? It has nothing to do with intellect. It has a lot to do with food though, if you like to eat brain that is. If you know how big the critters brain is and how big it is, you’ll know how much other meat you’ll have left for other meals. I’m not a brain eater so to me it’s just another organ for the dogs.

Do you know why there was a surplus? It’s partly because fanatics have made eating Dolphin and Porpoise un-popular because “they have brains bigger than humans” and other human analogs that some people like to draw attention to, to make eating them more unpopular. Kind of like telling a child eating a venison steak that they are eating Bambi, really brings the tears and kills the appetite for the kid. Surpluses can be caused by very simple manipulation of the markets and eco-terrorist are some of the best manipulators out there.

Yes there is a lot of “by catch” that goes to waste and I agree it needs to be stopped. The waste part. If you catch it and can’t release it alive and unharmed, you damn well better put it to good use. That goes for all you vegetarians out there too. You dig up those spuds, onions, peanuts or whatever, you should make sure that all those grubs and worms and bugs that you kill are harvested too. It’s all protein.

25 months ago: Al you said: “concludes that 90 percent of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans”. The article says: “90 Percent of Largest Fish Are Gone” AND THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL QUANTITY. They are talking about the number of species of large fish. You know big fish, fish that weigh hundreds of pounds each, which look like swimming buses or at least Suburban’s. There is truth in what you say, it’s just not the same truth.

I can say that 90% of all large land animals are extinct and it would be true. There are no more dinosaurs (well not too many left) and they were pretty big, huge in fact. But that doesn’t mean that 90% of the land animals are gone, they’ve been replaced by smaller ones, one that can survive in this day and age. Pound for pound, there might even be more now than then, I really don’t know and figure it would be a waste of time to look for the data.

Yes there is a problem with over fishing but it’s not one that we are going to starve from. We might not get to be as choosey and have to eat some fish that aren’t as pretty or taste as good, but we have a long way to go before we reach the end of the food chain.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: ...although we would stress the planet less if we had a lot less people to feed...

That's why I mentioned the eco's implied solution of culling the human herd and if that's the case, I suggest you start helping to de-stress the planet by culling yourself :)
25 months ago: I would prefer the other method, less reproducing, we are already here, lets make the best of the time we have and see if we can leave the place a little better than we found it.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Amen Six! Limiting reproduction is the best way to preserve the planet for future generations. Our species is willing to limit our reproduction if education and birth control methods are available. Most industrialized nations are limiting their own birth rates, and birth rate is proportional to income. The ones that reproduce the most are the Africans in extreme poverty. Also some religions like Muslims, Mormons, and Catholics think of women as baby machines.
It is also critical that we do everything sustainably. Limiting the catches, providing reserves, and buying fish that are certified as being sustainably caught will allow fish stocks to recover. And yes I did mean 90% of large fish species (like marlin, tuna, swordfish and sharks) are in trouble.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Another problem I didn't mention is the vast reduction in Krill in the Antarctic. As a result of global warming sea ice is diminished which increases salp populations and reduces krill populations. Krill are a nutritious shrimp like crustacean that is a keystone species which everything up there relies on for food. Baleen whales eat them directly and everything else is dependent on the fish that eat them. Populations are down 70%.
Salps compete with krill but these jellyfish like critters aren't a very good food source.
We shouldn't mess with mother nature!
See: http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/pdfs/loeb.nature.paper.1997.pdf


25 months ago: Hey.

Maybe if we can save the big fish with the big brains and get Flipper to do commercials about saving us from global warming...er... uh... global cooling....uhh...er... human caused climate change.

25 months ago: Sorry Al.

I cannot help myself sometimes.

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