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The Cosmic Pendulum Swings Again

Posted 6 months ago|98 comments|444 views
Moving From The Darkness Into Light
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
After eight years of radical right wing incompetence under Bush, the political pendulum swung to the Democratic Party and President Obama won, along with both houses of Congress. Then because the recession was worse than everyone thought at first, the political pendulum swung to the right. This rightward swing brought in a rash of Tea Party Inspired right wing ideologues, and control of the House, and many governorships went to the Republicans. These Republicans campaigned on jobs, but once in office they concentrated on taking away people's rights, and didn't produce one jobs bill.

Tonight's elections have demonstrated that the Republican's radical overreach has backfired. Now the pendulum is swinging back towards the Democrats, just in time for next years elections.

The Tea Parties rapid ascent was at first seen as a populist movement, but the Tea Party appealed to the darker negative aspects of human emotions. They appealed to the racists, the homophobes, and the Islamaphobes. They attacked immigrants, unions, women and voters in general. They fanned the flames of fear and hatred.

The Tea Parties Political philosophy was essentially anti Obama. They filibustered anything in the Senate that the Democrats proposed, but once they gained power in the House they were at a total loss for any new ideas to solve the nations many problems. Their main goal was to defeat Obama so they opposed anything he or the Democrats wanted even if that meant harming the nation and the citizens of the nation.

They became the party of NO, but also the Know Nothing Party refusing to believe the facts from 98% of scientists and the economic advice of the experts.

In foreign Policy, the right wing opposed the removal of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since their sponsors the Military Industrial Complex wanted everlasting war. Obama realizing that the Iraq war was a huge distraction from the original quest for Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden, successfully shifted the focus back to where it should have been. Obama just about destroyed Al Queda and killed Osama Bin Laden.

After initially complaining that Obama wasn't doing enough in Lybia, the right inexplicably opposed the humanitarian incursion into Libya. Their opposition to anything Obama did, took precedence over their normal warlike stance. Of course the right would want a unilateral invasion, but Obama instead respecting international law, worked with international community at the request of the Libyan people and with the support of Arab nations. Obama was able to save tens of thousands of Libyans and to overthrow Quadaffi without loosing one of our soldiers at a very modest cost of $2 billion.

Once in power instead of creating jobs as they promised the Tea Party Republicans undertook a radical social agenda, attacking women with many anti choice laws. They attacked gays and lesbians by opposing don't as don't tell in the military and they spent millions trying to defend DOMA. The pendulum really started to swing back when the right attacked the unions, stripping them of their rights to collectively bargain.

In Wisconsin the first hint of the pendulums turning came when voters recalled two Republican legislatures and refused to recall two Democratic legislatures. This victory provided the incentive to mount an effort to recall Governor Walker.

In Ohio the right rolled back even more of the union's collective bargaining rights. Now the people have resoundly reversed that decision. This was seen as a referendum on Ohio's unpopular right wing governor, John Kasich.

The right wing also over reached with the Personhood proposal in Mississippi. This radical law would have deemed any fertilized egg to have all of the rights of a human person. This would have banned not only all abortions, but also all in vitro fertilizations, and many birth control devices, and would have allowed the prosecution of many doctors and women who acted to protect the health of the woman. This radical law was soundly defeated in the most conservative state in the nation. There should be a lesson learned there.

The right wing has also systematically attacked the rights of voters, with dozens of voter ID laws that will disenfranchise millions of students, minorities, and aged. All three demographics tend to vote Democratically. In Maine, voters repealed a law passed in June by the state's right wing Legislature which required voters to register at least two days before an election. This restored a forty year policy of Election Day registration.

Lacking any new economic ideas, the Republicans doubled down on the failed economic and political philosophies of the Bush regime which totally destroyed the economy, doubled the National Debt and caused the loss of eight million jobs. All of their policies do nothing to help 99% of the people and only help the 1% who financed their campaigns.

53 days ago a couple dozen people began protesting the unfairness of our political and economic system that penalizes the 99% while rewarding the 1%. The 1% has the power and influence to bribe lawmakers and purchase elections. For the past 30 years almost all of the changes in law and tax policy benefited the 1% so their wealth has increased 275% while the other 99% has stayed pretty flat.

The Occupy movement instead of feeding on fear and hatred appeals to the positive aspects of the human race. They call for empathy to the suffering of others and to the values of fairness, justice, and an end to corruption and inequality. While all of the money may be on the dark negative side, the 99% think that most people are good, and that they will prevail. Millions of small donations will overcome the million dollar donations of the 1% .

The anger at the injustice and economic inequality has spread to most of the major cities in this nation and to 82 other nations. The anger at the injustice and economic inequality has spread to most of the major cities in this nation and to 82 other nations. This movement already achieved democracy in Tunisia and ended the oppression in Egypt and Libya. It may usher in a new era of peace, justice, and tranquility all over the world, if the social Justice Movement is successful.

The Tea Party which many people thought was a populist movement, now dominates and controls the Republican Party. 84% of the people think Wall Street has too much influence, yet Republicans have fought even the most rudimentary controls on Wall Street and want to roll back the mild law that did pass. 75% of the people think that the rich should pay more taxes, including 51% of Republicans, but all but 13 Republican legislatures have pledged never to raise taxes for any reason, but they appear willing to raise taxes on the middle class, and have attacked the poor in every way they could. Two thirds of the people think the military should be cut more, and that Medicare and Social Security should be protected, but the Republicans actually voted to increase the military budget $17 billion and want to end Medicare and social Security.

The Tea Party/Republicans are not populist, they are elitist, and every one of the Tea Party/ Republican policies benefit only the wealthy and the big corporations to the detriment of the rest of us. Their Flat tax plans would make the middle class pay much more, while the millionaires would receive huge gifts of hundreds of thousands. Their so called jobs plan and their entire economic program would just shower the millionaires and huge corporations with even more money and would remove any restrictions on them. That failed completely during the past 13 years. Their latest outrage was to kill a bill to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure which would create 450,000 jobs, because it would tax the millionaires a paltry 0.7%.

The fledgling Occupy movement is just barely learning how to get organized, but they have already changed the narrative. Now all political analysts are talking about economic inequality. The power of this movement can only grow as they learn how to influence political policies. They will force even the Republicans to start talking about how to help the common people and stop coddling the rich and the corporations, or they will be thrown out. Next time the 99% will overcome the 1% at the ballot box.


UPDATE - 6 months ago
Russell Pearce, the architect of Arizona's controversial immigration law and the president of the state Senate, was voted out of office in an unprecedented recall election Tuesday. This is the first time in Arizona history that a sitting lawmaker was recalled. This was a message to those who make draconian immigration laws. http://immigration.about.com/b/2011/11/0...
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COMMENTS
6 months ago: HEY AL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RISE AND SHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LATCH UP AND STOW!!!!!!!!!!!!1
6 months ago: And another well thought out response from the peanut err. Nut Gallery.
6 months ago: Despite being from Kentucky, Slim, your comments are catching on.
6 months ago: I fell asleep after the second paragraph.
6 months ago: Need some help with your views Al? Just ask. I'm sure I can triple your 18 with a single click of my mouse. Who knows. If I really try I could get it over 100 within 2 hours. I'll be more than happy to send your delusional episode out to the world. It only cements the view most Americans have of socialists.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: He wouldn't need your "help" with his views if you and RSG hadn't destroyed this website in the first place...
6 months ago: I already told you what it will take to get me take a RR vacation.

You forget that I predicted here on RR that Google would take action if they didn't stop the Black SEO scammers. That prediction was not taken serious and look what happened.

Tell you what. Since your the best source on knowledge on the site.

How long would it take you to turn it into your utopia if I did not post?

2 weeks?
4 weeks?
6 weeks?
8 weeks?

I would expect weekly progress reports posted on the site as stand alone Rant/Raves.

No upward trend beginning in 2 weeks and I cut the vacation short.

Submit your plan, start date and time frame and I'll let you know if it is acceptable.

Better yet. Just get the site to ask me to leave. I'm sure you can convince others to sneak off to management with you.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: I realize that you have the intellect of a rock, but it is really hard to believe that you still don't get it. The damage is irreparable. You single-handedly destroyed this site. You constantly violate the ToS (so do I, but I only harass you and RSG, you harass everyone on the site which is why everyone left). I have proven that you violate the ToS on harassment. Both of our accounts should have been banned a long time ago...the point is that while you are the problem, a bigger problem exists: Inactive, oblivious, useless, apathetic moderators who did nothing over the past year and half to stop you from destroying this site.
6 months ago: My prediction posted December 2010.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/RR-staff-Yo...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: You are so pathetic that you still brag about your 11 followers on twitter...like you actually make a difference. If you did there would be more than 7 active people using this site. Al, Me, You, RSG, Sunny, OOTB, and Tom.

toot your own horn a little more...maybe it will make you feel better about yourself.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: I know you predicted it...as I said the problem that is bigger than you is the apathetic, useless, oblivious, inactive moderators that do less than congress
6 months ago: I have a few more than 11. You might want to see some of the profiles of my followers. @thecypressgang

But it is not about how many followers you have. It is knowing how to get a million eyes on a topic without them being a follower.

BTW. While your checking out @thecypressgang on twitter. Take a hard look at the authors I have tweeted. Can't say I have been favoring anyone. Yes, I even tweeted your posts.

If your so active. Why are you not posted on the front page? How is it that Coloranter is more active than you? Could it be that my tweet library has a residual effect?

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: I understand that you have tried to help. What you refuse to admit is that because of your constant belittlement and harassment of the people who used to visit this site that it is dead. The list I posted are the only active people.

I never said you showed favoritism. I know that you post all the crap on twitter...the point is that it has not made a damn bit of difference. Come'on mr. honesty...lets hear you admit that you are responsible for the downturn of this site and that no matter how many VIEWS you produce it has not made one little bit of difference to the user base.

Why should I post articles the same thing happens every time. Sunny makes a few great comments before the two degenerate hicks come in and start shooting their guns in the air (in case you haven't figured it out those 2 would be you and RSG). Then that follows up with the whacko left wing radical and some random association to campaign reform and energy and organic food. Tom jumps in to tell me how Jesus will fix the issue and then it degrades into a conversation that I often hear between freshman college football players.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: So what do you do Cypress? Do you send a note to your friends on Facebook or your extended email list to check out this link?

What I want to know is what you get out of it besides a power trip? Why don't you just do that for all posts you think are well written to boost the readership of the entire R/R website? We could use more readers.

If you do attract more readers why don't you see if you can get more women so we have different points of view, and see if more people can respond with intelligent arguments so we can have a duologue?
6 months ago: Nope. Although it is sent worldwide in open for everyone to see. How do you not know there are more women reading? Because they do not post?

Trust me on this one Al. I have brought more eyes to this site in the last year than anyone else.

Shall I prove it once again with this post?

Just say "prove it". Then confirm in writing that your views increased in a very short period of time.
6 months ago: Prove it.
6 months ago: Your not Al. BTW. He had best say it soon as I'm out camping with my son and his Scout unit starting tomorrow.
6 months ago: Don't forget the marshmallows.

We're going the weekend of Thanksgiving.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: Wow...you took the views from 56 to 92....HOLY **** YOU ARE THE JESUS FING CHRIST OF RANT RAVE>>>EVERYONE BOW BEFORE THE KING OF DOUCHEBAGGERY!!!!!!!

6 months ago: I have not graced this feed with my magic. I'm still waiting on Al to say "prove it".
6 months ago: I did that. With my 3k followers. I don't want to hear that redneck latching on to my star.
6 months ago: You did what and when with your 3k followers?

Not a very good percentage of views from 3K followers in 5 days. 223 views in 5 days from your magic?

Why don't you setup a challenge for a 1 hour time frame and lets see who creates the most views during that hour? Find 2 different posts. I get my choice from the 2.

Hummm?

Your 3k against my little under 100.

You think you can generate more views in a designated 1 hour time frame?
6 months ago: Please post your username slim. I'm sure everyone would like to visit your account.
6 months ago: Hold on just a second. Slim did this?

"Wow...you took the views from 56 to 92....HOLY ****"

With 3 thousand followers? So Slim produced a grand total of 23 actual views?

Yes, my math is correct. 23... BFD.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: "Do you send a note to your friends on Facebook or your extended email list to check out this link"

~LMAO you think this nutcase has friends???
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: duologue (as opposed to monologue)
1. (Performing Arts / Theatre) a part or all of a play in which the speaking roles are limited to two actors
2. a less common word for dialogue

Actually I meant a Dialogue between many more people than you and I. (Red don't count)

Good to hear from you too Slim. Thoughts?
6 months ago: Al? You want draconian immigration laws? I say we round them up and ship all of them to Eugene Oregon. Who knows brother. You might be able to house 20 illegals in an unused bedroom. You could charge them your daily CASH rate. Meals extra of course. Dang. Pipe in TeleMundo and charge double.
6 months ago:
de·lu·sion·al

When used as an adjective, like "In his posts, Al is delusional", there is the following definition:

"having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:

Sort of like the repubes not introducing 1 jobs bill. Huh?

http://majorityleader.gov/Blog/ That's 22 JOBS BILLS AL!!!!!!!!!!


Another definition of delusional, is like your reaction to my rant here:

maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts

What in the wide, wide world of sports is there to have a duolougue about?

For crying out loud! Quit ruining my children's future.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: This article, just like the major network media ( NBC, CBS, ABC) are cheering the defeat of the union law in Ohio, but somehow forgot to mention that the Obamacare mandate was also defeated by those same voters. It is now illegal in Ohio to require people to have government approved health insurance.


In Virginia, Republicans won 68 state house seats, a super majority and will now effectively control the state senate.

In Mississippi, Republican Phil Bryant made history, becoming the first Republican to ever succeed another Republican in the governor's mansion.
The Republicans have most likely taken over the Mississippi House, also, depending on two undecided elections.

Mississippi also passed a voter ID bill. No more dead people voting in our state.

The Mississippi initiative 26 was written to fail, without giving clear instruction. It was vague and ambivalent, and the lesson to be learned was already well learned from the Health Care farce that was foisted upon a trusting nation. It was brought up far too late for people to read and analyze the potential ramifications, and we definitely weren't going to "pass the bill so we could find out what is in it."

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: Al, You are not being pragmatic with your analysis of anything.

There are some good things that have happened:
~the troops coming out of Iraq
~Healthcare Reform*
~Arizona's unConstitutional immigration law being stopped
~The Personhood act failing in Mississippi
~The Tea Party being exposed as a bunch of uneducated hicks. The politicians that claim this party being exposed as do nothing representatives.


There were equal amounts of bad things happening:
~Unions maintaining their exorbitant power levels in Wisconsin and Ohio.(Unions are destroying America...Period).
~Healthcare Reform*
~The Occupy Movement becoming essentially a polar wing opposite to the Tea Party
~The Occupy Movement still exists
~The Tea Party still exists
~John Boehner is Speaker of the House...
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Al...I read your entire post. Your writing is a record of what has been happening and why people who want justice are outraged. I don't get some people. You are either for your country, or not. If you are for your country, you stand behind your nation and its people and their fight for justice and freedom. Nothing is perfect, but it has to start somewhere. The fight is all about a nation of freedom loving people. I swear I don't get it. He said nothing but the facts as they have been documented in the news. Why are you calling him out? Instead of calling names, why don't you argue his post.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Sure there are good things that have happened, but not enough to make a difference in our economy.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: If Republicans were all for the people and didn't want to strip them of anything that was essential, then you would look at this differently.
So far, the Republicans are not with it and they have caused havoc. Take another look at Rick Perry for example. Who would want him as President? He isn't going to win over anyone with his memory loss.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Oh Boy! Give people a break.
Cypress you are always on the opposing side no matter what.
People feel that they are not really wanted. Who makes up Cypress Gang?
Is it all you? Or are there different people that write?
I read some of your post, and they were well written.
I like all the people.
6 months ago: Is that your last word or do you need to comment further?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: It's a legitimate question...a gang signifies more than one person...how many degenerate uneducated hicks make up the Cypress Gang?
6 months ago: Do I to include all of my toothless cousins that live in houses with wheels that are parked in the yard?
6 months ago: There would be 3. Would you like to know who they are? Just ask. I'll post their identities.

We have nothing to hide.

Although, we do have a question about your definition of "Perfect".
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I have no intention in being disrespectful to you, Cypress.
I know that people's thought processes are different, so why then represent them as one person. When I first came on this site, I asked if it were more than one person. Why can't each of you speak their own mind. It is all a game to you, but people write litgimately on this site and have something to say. When your guys write they don't really say anything.
It doesn't matter if we disagree.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Okay.
6 months ago: We are OK with that. Don't you want to know identities of we 3? We will be more than happy to announce it to the entire world. Then you can decide if "WE" are breaking the RR TOS and need to be banned.

BTW. We stopped posting articles after this site deleted a well written post on "Black SEO" that described the tactics of those that were abusing this site and Google. It had complete tactics along with informational links and instructional video.

It was posted as an educational tool of how not to do it. The site deemed it a threat and deleted the post. It must have been too informative.

So. You want to know who the 3 are?

Riddle me this....

When your alone and by yourself...

Who is with you?

The number is 3...
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Freddy Kruger? This is scary.
6 months ago: Freddy NOT.

Can't solve the riddle?
6 months ago: We find it funny that those that proclaim tho be our intellegent betters.

Can't solve a 5th grade riddle.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: I just did ask, you really are dense.

Why is it you are so focused on a User Name? Perfect Horizon means nothing, it's just my user name. In all honesty it was brought about while reading a book on art photography and I just thought it sounded cool. You have spent more time whining or making idiotic jokes based on a user name than you have presenting factual arguments.

So again I ask you. Who are the members of the Cypress Gang?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: Are you asking ME? perhaps I should ask MYSELF...oh wait I get it now...your a moron
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I never claimed anything. I just talk to people.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I'm starting to lose interest in this. Who cares.
6 months ago: So. You can't figure out a 5th grade riddle?

Then you ask..."Why is it you are so focused on a User Name?" followed by a question about my user name?

You ask me if I'm dense?

You have how many Degrees in logic from UofC and can't figure out when you have been had...

Too funny.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: He has no respect for any body, Perfect.
I never saw anyone behave like this.
He can't get his way and doesn't have any aptitude, so he relies on calling people bad names.
That's all he's got.
I feel sorry for anyone around him.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: You have been making snide comments about my user name since you joined the site. I simply asked how many people were in your gang...Gangs are historically bad things made up of groups of people. I asked you one time. You have been making an issue out of my user name forever. Also, I already answered your riddle in a response I posted to you.

Further, I didn't go to UofC.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: Your answer is right here:


Are you asking ME? perhaps i should ask MYSELF...oh wait I get it now...your a moron
6 months ago: ding....the 5th grade timer went off over an hour ago...

Your a self delusional freaking nut case that wants to rule the world....

I ask you again...

Does your SirName end with a vowel? Huh? Let's start that comment section (again). As in Mafi(A)?
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I wonder which one is talking. It is like 3 talking heads. Al wrote a good piece to discuss. Nothing wrong with that. YOu really don't talk.
6 months ago: This article sucks and you folks keep it alive by wondering how many there are in The Cypress Gang. I already told you to figure out the riddle. Your going to look like some really dumb folk when you see the answer.

I'm leaving town in a few hours and won't be back (i'm sure your thanking you lucky stars) for a few days.

You have 2 hours to find the answer to the riddle....

Otherwise just STFU.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: I already answered your riddle, I know you have no grasp of the english language but the answer is posted above. May you could just STFU forever and the world would be a better place.
6 months ago: You didn't answer anything.

Type your answer out with 3 entities that are 1.

Still playing that I'm educated role? Can't break a 5th grade riddle?

I'll be laughing for the rest of the weekend...

BTW... I passed the answer off to RR and the question remains. So you guys are totally out of your league.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
6 months ago: Your answer is above in a separate post, what's the matter, you too stupid to read the CAPS words?
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I would say you are all 3 then.
6 months ago: all 3 of whom? Name them.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: You have no class.
6 months ago: Really? From someone that sends me 'Private Messages' wanting a relpy?

And you called me a "Stalker"?
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Then don't invite me to read your old post. No one can be even be civil to you. It's a real shame.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I don't want to burst your delusions (bubble) I write to everyone else too.
6 months ago: Not going to bust my cherry babe. It's is you that proclaims to the world that people are stalking you on this site. All the while your sending them (your stalkers) Private Messages. So who is the Stalker? Hummmm.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Well, I know who is smart and who isn't. I've lived a big huge life. You are talking like you are not well today. I don't care what you say. You and the others of your so call gang chased all the woman away. You say the people aren't intelligent, but you use what they say on other sites. You copy their wors to catch attention. Everyone else are gentlemen. You have treated some of the other woman dispicably.
I don't even want to be mean or say anything bad to you because I don't think you can take it today. You talk very crude and coming from Texas it doesn't sound right. Usually, they are real gentlemen, at least in public. I really find people on this site intelligent and pretty decent human beings. Why don't you join up. They are very interesting.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I'm not going to say any more to you Cypress. I don't know which one I'm arguing with.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I rather think about bringing our troops home for the Holidays. I rather think about the issues on the table in Government and how they should be addressed. I do my part out there to stand up for my beliefs. I can't be bothered with foolishness. Get back to what the thread is about.
5 months ago: "...think about bringing our troops home for the Holidays."
-Sunny

Ron Paul is the only candidate consistent with that goal.
Mainstream (D) and (R) politicos disagree with him.
Obama has created even more wars.

Will you be voting for Ron Paul, then?
Or do you not really care about this issue?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: Back to the intent of the post.

The republicans finally caved and gave Obama a small victory by helping Vets get jobs. This is a crack in their edifice.

Perhaps they went home and heard the complaints from their electorate about not doing anything about jobs.

75% of the people in the country and even 51% of Republicans think that the rich should pay higher taxes. 86% think Wall Street and the rich and powerful have too much power over government and should be reigned in. two thirds of the people in the country think Social Security and Medicare should be protected and that the Military spending should be cut more.

The Republican plan for the future is totally the opposite in each case. Give the rich even more money and remove the paltry limits, rules, and regulations, on the 1%, Kill S.S. and Medicare and give the military even more money.

The reason the Occupy movement is catching on, is that people are outraged that the lawmakers are no longer doing the will of the people. They have sold their souls to the 1%.

Sure the Right has the upper hand now, and they will make some additional gains, but their power will continuously decline from this point on, and the 99% will reclaim their power until we have a Democracy once again, and a nation by, for, and of the people.

6 months ago: "The Tea Parties rapid ascent was at first seen as a populist movement, but the Tea Party appealed to the darker negative aspects of human emotions. They appealed to the racists, the homophobes, and the Islamaphobes. They attacked immigrants, unions, women and voters in general. They fanned the flames of fear and hatred."-Altruist

The 'Tea Party' folks did none of that (notice lack of data in his assertions).
Alt is projecting his own inner demons when he writes such hate.
Hitler said similar things of his political enemies (look it up!).

No data. No arguments supported with reason. Just hate.
Commies, Facists, and National Socialists are like that.
Alt is like that.
6 months ago: Regarding "left" "right" false dichotomy: Both favor more government, while both deny Constitutional constraints.
Both rule by dictating what others must do.
Same-Smae.

Both are Tories whose long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism... it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Time to distinguish between (a) government which dictates everything you may/may not do, and (b) government with limited enumerated powers, constituted to protect citizen's Life, Liberty, and Property.

Alt writes about a government that tells us what to do, "or else".

I'll pick Liberty and 'death always unto tyrants'.
"Sic Semper Tyrannis"- It's the Virgina state motto.
"Live Free or Die" - It's the New Hampshire State motto.

Haven't seen a state motto that says "enslave me and take away my choices".
Alt is saying that in his posts, though. Read them and, and know him.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Somebody has been asleep at the wheel or doesn't turn their listening ears on.
Representatives of the Tea Party never got it right and showed themselves up to be plain idiotic. They made rediculous remarks about American history and their Constitution. They never got it straight. This is enough to say that they don't care about anything but trying to fool the public into believing they will be the new hope of America. I would rather live in Siberia, then live in a Country run by their kind of thinking.
5 months ago: " I would rather live in Siberia, then live in a Country run by their kind of thinking."-Sunny

Promises, promises.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: I'm sorry?
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: What I said STANDS.
5 months ago: Define terms of your self-imposed exile: Is it the 2012 President/Monarch election only? Or just the House? Or what? (Here's where we observe the truth in your words.)

Can we pitch in some rubles? I have a copy of Solzhenitsyn you can read, or use for TP, or for the fire, on those long cold Siberian nights.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Of course, no tea bagger understands anything anyway.
I take it from the source. Please don't talk to me.
5 months ago: Agree! Those 'tea baggers' are offensive: Dipping their balls in another gentleman's mouth and all. I'm socked you would bring up such deviant behavior- But since you keep bringing it up, you must enjoy it.

And the Siberians love that stuff too. Especially 'Peggy'.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
5 months ago: Ah, I see a side has been chosen.

To say that TEA Party representatives "never got it right" is quite combative, and blatantly untrue. I would say especially since many things TEA Party representatives stand for are the same things that some OWS spokespersons have said.

There were a handful of misstatements by certain TEA Party hopefuls that were seized upon by the Liberal press, and really, who cares if Paul Revere rang the dang bell in Philadelphia or not? Who cares if one potential candidate got a minor detail out of line? You know who. Someone who wishes to discredit that person, and an entire movement, by asking random questions, hoping they'll get it wrong. It happened to Obama hundreds of times, you just never got hammered with it for days on end by the media.

It happened in the OWS camps thousands of times, by reporters who were there with the express purpose of discrediting an entire philosophy by making individuals look stupid.

Sunny, the real TEA Party has gone underground, and the prating of the politicians that we are hearing these days is not representative of that movement. The real TEA Party stands for fiscal responsibility, which means not only cutting back on government spending and intrusiveness, but also paying off your debts. They don't believe there is any way in God's green earth that you can borrow your way to financial security. All the rest of what it was turned into was derailing the movement.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Box..
It is obvious then that they did not have people that were informative enough to represent them. Some of the things that were said were mind boggling.
They did not show any positive projection that they could be good leaders.
I could never trust anyone who didn't know or care about the history of America.
That was their business to know, not to make fools out of themselves.
They seemed geared only for votes and that was all I saw. I don't choose sides, I choose good people.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
5 months ago: Is the OWS the sum of the few people that claim to represent them?
5 months ago: "It is obvious then that they did not have people that were informative enough to represent them. Some of the things that were said were mind boggling."
-Sunny

Agree. OWS were paid to be 'useful idiots', and they couldn't even get that right.


"I could never trust anyone who didn't know or care about the history of America."
-Sunny

roflmao. That's funny, right there.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: No, Box. The OWS are just ordinary people fighting for what they feel are their freedoms. Whether they represent 1 or millions, it doesn't make any difference.
If the tea baggers had people that were really interested in the American people, then they would have been looked upon differently, and they could have succeeded. The very fact that they practically disappeared does say something about them. If they wanted the business of leading people in this Country, they would have shown some smarts. Where did they? Not one of them showed any real intelligence and that is what it takes. It was their job to know our Constitution backwards and forwards. They were looking for power and high office at the expense of possible disaster. The ordinary person has to rely on the knowledge of great leaders. I didn't see it once. They lost respect gradually making so many blunders.
5 months ago: Sunny keeps using her phrase 'tea bagger' to push the image of a man's testicles dangling in another persons open mouth.

Such crude speech scares away many people from sites like this.
You go girl.
5 months ago: Careful sofa. Sunny now thinks you are me and I am you. You might start getting private messages. You degenerate you.
5 months ago: You bet. "the real TEA Party has gone underground" Wonder why? The status quo RNC and DNC had both watch out.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: That other one who hides behind many many identities uses foul language to make up for the lack of speech and thought. I won't speak to anyone with a foul mouth that has to rely on the use of vulgarity to gain ground and get attention. That is the reason many people do not stay on this site. The trolls like to infiltrate their fascinating charm on all of us and force us to listen. Well, I won't. This is a real joke because I know who this is. They have absolutely nothing to say except TOO FUNNY which is a phrase they fall back on all the time. So apparent.
5 months ago: " I won't speak to anyone with a foul mouth that has to rely on the use of vulgarity to gain ground and get attention."
-Sunny

Then why do you keep doing it? Can't stop yourself?
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Box why are so many people against them?I do respect your opinion, but there has been a lot of mistakes on the part of the TB. http://republicandirtytricks.com/the-dif...

Normal people (non-Republicans/non-Teabaggers/non-transnational corporate sock-puppets) know what those in the foreign press, such as George Monbiot, know: that billionaires and their fake populist astroturf front groups like the Koch Brothers' "American for Prosperity" have "mobilised the anger of people who found their conditions of life declining, and channelled it into a campaign to make them worse. Tea Party campaigners take to the streets to demand less tax for billionaires and worse health, education and social insurance for themselves."

Since "Occupy Wall Street" began, Faux News, the corporate media and those in the top 1% have tried to paint the protests as nothing but a misguided rally of anarchists, simply looking for an excuse to sleep in a public park. Contrast that depiction with the framing of the Teabag Party movement – drawn as well-meaning, "average Joe," political neophytes… finally awakened to action by the frightening "Socialist" takeover of government spearheaded by the Obama Administration. To live in the Reality-Based Community, is to know how laughable both assertions are.

We've seen those like Bill O'Reilly, in the traditional Conservative manor of "fixing the 'facts' around the policy," and his producer-monkey skulk down to Liberty Square, and in their best impression of Andrew Breitbart, selectively-edit a piece making the protesters all look like fools.
As Media Matters reported:

"Fox News has begun attacking participants of the "Occupy Wall Street" protests across the country, claiming they are "deluded" and have "absolutely no purpose or focus in life." Fox's attacks stand in stark contrast with its relentless promotion and support of the tea party protests of 2009 and 2010."

Rather than cause for demoralization on the part of working people everywhere, what these examples illustrate is the fact that the establishment elite are frightened and know their days of partying off our weary backs are numbered.

Normal people (non-Republicans/non-Teabaggers/non-transnational corporate sock-puppets) know what those in the foreign press, such as George Monbiot, know: that billionaires and their fake populist astroturf front groups like the Koch Brothers' "American for Prosperity" have "mobilised the anger of people who found their conditions of life declining, and channelled it into a campaign to make them worse. Tea Party campaigners take to the streets to demand less tax for billionaires and worse health, education and social insurance for themselves."

They know what Comedian Bill Maher knows… That Teabaggers are "sad, unfortunate people" because they are "corporate America's useful idiots."


The also know that the Occupy Wall Street protests reflect a very-real crisis in America – the Conservative-policy-induced decline of the American Middle Class.

That is the difference. One, very real, populist movement is based in fact… and another, faux-populist movement is based in a fiction the transnational corporate Oligarchs need people to believe if they are to continue pulling off the greatest transfer of wealth upwards since the FIRST Gilded Age.

All one has to do is listen to the concerns of the people at Occupy Wall Street and contrast them to those at the Teabag Party rallies to see that while the Teabaggers are railing against mythical "Sharia Law" invasion, demanding Obama's birth certificate, the OWS protesters are drawing attention to the corrosive influence of money in our government and fight
5 months ago: "why are so many people against them?" -Sunny

Why were so many Tories again Liberty? Because they benefited from tyranny.

Today, why are so many freeloaders against losing free stuff, stolen from others?
Because they benefit from tyranny.

Better to ask: Why are so many people for theft and slavery?
Is it because they think it benefits them?
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: No one is arguing the points that have been made.
5 months ago: Point 1: Sunny made a commitment to go to Siberia. And it STANDS.

Point 2: Sunny keeps using foul language to bring up images of a man's testicles. Maybe a psychological infatuation with that image.

Point 3: Sunny quotes Bill Maher, after she says that quoting others reveals ignorance.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Al, good post. You explained it clearly.
sunny2
sunny2
5 months ago: Sarah Palin for one has made so many errors and blunders.
She is an embarrassment.
5 months ago: so many errors and blunders. an embarrassment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxXh6ZWfb...

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