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Altruist
Eugene, OR
The recent shenanigans in the Senate have a lot of people steamed. There has got to be a better way to get things done than by buying votes. Many people think we should just throw the bums out and start with a clean slate.
The linked web site is dedicated to getting rid of all 435 members of the House of Representatives and replacing them with regular people like you and me. The group is called GOOOH which stands for Get Out of Our House. GOOOH will allow you to:
1. Help select your Representative - while being considered yourself
2. Hold your Representative accountable
3. Replace career politicians - with true representatives
4. Take the money out of the process
While they claim to be non partisan, this group was born from the anger of the Tea Parties of the summer, and my knee jerk reaction is to just dismiss them as a bunch of right wing nut jobs.
But then I started thinking about the actual goals of the group. It is true that most of our representatives no longer represent the will of the people, they represent the will of the special interests that financed their campaigns. This group plans to democratically select 435 people to run for office, and these representatives would promise to represent the actual people or be kicked out.
I often think that just anyone off the street could do a better job than the career politicians we have in office, but what would keep the new guys from becoming career politicians? They would only be in office for two years.
Athens had the first direct democracy and it had problems. It was sometimes called a government of a hundred fools, because the common people didn’t know much about the issues. Instead of reducing the government to the lowest common denominator and dumbing down the legislature, how about going the other way and making it a meritocracy which would require a basic understanding of the problem before a person could vote on that issue?
But what would keep your nominee from just being a spoiler like Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, or other third party candidates? Would Sarah Palin be able to get on the ballot in all 50 states? We would need to change the rules in many states and allow proportional representation and instant runoff or preferential voting so those votes weren’t wasted. To keep the main parties from overwhelming the third party candidate with party money, there would have to be public campaign financing.
The current system requires representatives to spend the majority of their time begging for money for their campaigns. They rarely bite the hands that feed them, so the rich, powerful and corporations benefit at the expense of the rest of us.
What I like about this movement is that this is a small step towards Direct Democracy. If a representative is directly elected using the internet and they are pledged to vote as the people want, why not do away with the representative altogether, and allow people to determine policy directly?
When this country was formed the only way to communicate was to travel by horse or water from one community to another. It took a long time so electing a representative to work in your behalf was the only way democracy could work over great distances. Now things are different and we have the technology to make our wishes known instantly using the internet. We now have the ability to eliminate the politicians altogether.
Of course most people don’t have the time to listen to all of the arguments and read all of the bills, so how about getting a rep. to do the humdrum stuff and we the people can vote directly on the important issues? After all in the recent health care session there were hundreds of bills introduced and voted on and thousands of amendments. Could we eliminate most of those and just simplify the bills so they are short and everyone can understand them? If there are just two parties the extremes dominate. If they are evenly matched, it will result in gridlock. If one side gets the upper hand that party will dominate the other until they overreach and then the other extreme will dominate. The majority of people who are somewhere in between are rarely represented.
Our current system is designed so it is hard to get anything done. It allows a single Senator to put a hold on a bill, and when votes are close a single Senator can make or break a bill so they can ask for the moon and get it. Our founding fathers wanted the votes to be decided by a simple majority, and blocking methods like filibustering was very difficult and rarely done. (Mister Smith Goes to Washington). Now the process has required every vote to be passed by a supermajority. Why is that?

A better way would be to require at least three competing bills for every issue and to use preferential or instant runoff voting. Say that one health care bill would be made by the Democrats, one by the Republicans, and one by the third party. The third party could take the best ideas from the right and the left. When people vote they give three points for their first choice 2 points for their second choice and one point for their least favorite choice. Add them up and the option with the most points would win. In the majority of cases the centrist position would prevail, and that would better represent the view of the majority of Americans.
So what do you all think? Do we have the best political system in the world, or is our current political system broken, dysfunctional, and in need of some serious reform?
How would you change it?
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: "I often think that just anyone off the street could do a better job than the career politicians we have in office"

It is not that simple, these Politicians are traitors to the American People and in treason to the Constitution.

Any honest person with no education, can do a better job than frauds and traitors.

We need to take our country back from domestic enemy agents.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Traitors, Treason, Enemy Agents! Oh My!

Thank you for demonstrating the type of irrational anger demonstrated by the Tea Party folk.

And how did these enemy agents win popular approval in a democratic election if they are so evil and un-American?

Please elucidate.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: If you want to find out what they done, go to this website and read.

http://sedm.org/index.htm

There are thousands of Sovereignty websites, (many are free to download material) that show you proof of what this country really is. It is a for profit private corporation.

That means it is not operation under the article 3 of the Constitution, but article 4 under admiralty.

You do not know and may never care to know the truth. But if you do.

Then read.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Not all Tea Party folk are irrational Al, just so happens the media portrays them that way. If you want to read about direct democracy read Give Me Liberty by Naomi Wolfe. She was put on the no fly list because of that book. She talks about a revolution but a non-violent revolution. She talks about how a direct democracy could gives us the say to balance out power on the hill. The last thing our Government wants is us having any more power than we already have. They went to great means to do just the opposite.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Audible says the narrated version of it at half the bookstand price.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: The problem I have with electronic ballots is that software can be made to manipulate it. Making it virtually impossible to catch them.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Electronic voting machines were also hackable, but things can change. We need to let the best hackers in the world try to hack into the system and keep adding more and better incription until the best can only get a fraction of the way in before they are detected. Software evolves and having finger print verification would help.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: "Electronic voting machines were also hackable, but things can change. We need to let the best hackers in the world try to hack into the system and keep adding more and better incription until the best can only get a fraction of the way in before they are detected. Software evolves and having finger print verification would help."

I totally agree.

If you do get a chance to get that book let me know. Would be interested in seeing what you thought of it. If you can't afford it I sometimes get free credits at audible.com which I can give to anyone.
25 months ago: I wonder sometimes whether anybody else realizes that roughly 98% of the senate and congress now and historically are attorneys and it just so happens the most effective lobbyists are attorneys. I also wonder if the complexity of our court and legal system is as it is to provide job opportunities for the esquire trade, oh the conspiricy theorists are here. I wonder too at the beginning of the development of the american financial system who originally invested or bankrolled the economy. I wonder if these same people or their families or businesses are still active. I wonder if we can really discover who actually owns the federal reserve bank we know its a private institution that profits on the interest of the feds borrowing. I wonder how many government jobs have been lost in the past two years as compared to the private industry I'm thinking not many or none. I wonder what would happen if we actually had a successful business man run the business of government. I wonder why the elite decision makers feel the need to have a different retirement and health programs than what they think is good enough for you and me. I wonder if the masses will ever get a ticket to the clue bus.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: Put your mind to wonder about this fact:

Attorneys do NOT have a license to practice law. Ask them for a copy and see.

They get the authorization by you hiring them and you submitting yourself as a ward of the court.

Attorneys are officers of the court. They work for the court first. Are members of a for profit private non-governmental corporation called the BAR.

Your attorney's loyalty is first to the court, second to the Bar and you come LAST.

Under the "Foreign Sovereign immunities act", they are listed as Foreign Agents.

They only have a paper from the Florida Supreme Court, which is another private for profit corporation to practice law in the judiciary.

They as a group control this country, to help pay the debt to the International Bankers, who own this country, and the Federal reserve, the international Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

The end and short of it all, you are a corporate subject and not a free man.

The ATTORNEYS run the courts under admiralty law, in treason to the Constitution and you think that you have a free country, not knowing that we the people don't own our country any more.

This is just a few facts.

Live and learn about the crimes committed by our corporate government.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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There is no such thing as Civil law any more, there is only administrative law, under the administrative procedure act.

The judge is an administrative executive working for an agency, that they won't admit. But it is the prison system they are working for.

Which has 25% of the prisoners of the world.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Scott and Enigma. I did read the introduction to "Give Me Liberty" by Naomi Wolfe, and I agree with most of what she said. I would like to read the rest. I think that most Americans have become powerless and that we do need another revolution of sorts to take our government back. I think that the corporations and the rest have taken control of the country.
The problem with the current revolutionary fervor is that it is directed at the wrong elements. The folks on talk radio and Fox news are directing the anger at Obama lest people act against the powerful forces that actually caused the economic meltdown, and those that actually are taking our liberties away.
Naomi is right that we the people have to start running for office and taking government over from the bottom up.
Hard to see how that can be successful though unless we get big money out of the equation.
25 months ago: Thank you for the info Ronbot and I hear wisdom in your words Al. I'm not sure however that you need to be protective of Obama or any other presidential puppets that have been groomed and serve their respective masters which heretofore has been the case. I'm probably going to stick my foot in here but wasn't it Jefferson who warned us about creating political parties? Well so now we have ripoffublicans and dumocrats dictating waste, corruption and foolishness. The ever accurate method of following the money if thats even possible will surely uncover the source of the stench.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: "I wonder how many government jobs have been lost in the past two years as compared to the private industry I'm thinking not many or none."

You are right Government has actually expanded by 16% or so since the economy took a turn for the worse.

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