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Tea Tea for Texas! Please stay out!

Posted 23 months ago|202 comments|1,943 views
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Finally, a state to stand up and say enough. Go a head and spit in our face. We will just piss on your shoe.

The Texas Education Board ruled that all children must be taught the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers.

That is right. Taught Judeo-Christian influences. Period. End of conversation.
If your liberal butt can't do the job then find one you can. Period. Stop teaching our kids your theory and start teaching our kids the facts.

The AP has a hidden story not being covered by any other news source.

The full story:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...

Curriculum standards also will describe the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

Go figure. Teaching the truth. Close the gates to Texas guys as the influx of people is about to begin.

By late Thursday night, three other Democrats seemed to sense their futility and left, leaving Republicans to easily push through amendments heralding "American exceptionalism" and the U.S. free enterprise system, suggesting it thrives best absent excessive government intervention.

RedStateGuy is going to be pissed.
UPDATE - 23 months ago
Wow! The Texas Education Agency (TEA The wide-ranging debate over what should be taught in history classes covered everything from non-controversial items to heavily discussed topics such as how the history of the Alamo should be taught and whether hip hop should be discussed in classrooms. (All those who died at the Alamo will be discussed in seventh grade Texas history classes. Hip hop will not be part of the official curriculum standards.)

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?i...
UPDATE - 23 months ago
New video. Texas could be setting a new trendsetter for states across the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE0cjEoC7...
UPDATE - 23 months ago
Mark, Thanks for the picture link of Democrat State Board of Education member Mary Berlanga with all of the ''Jim Crow'' hanging on her desk.

Your statement was..

4 days ago: Did you see the desk of State Board of Education member Mary Berlanga - she adorned it with Jim Crow history? You know, the kind of history the religious right Christians would prefer to sweep under the table as they pine for the days of Leave it to Beaver.
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markbyrn
markbyrn
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23 months ago: Why not, the left was spinning school history books for years too. Always good to balance out the one-sided propaganda with one-sided propaganda from the other side. It's like CNN and Fox News but hopefully they'll leave in a few gems of truth as they indoctrinate the children.
23 months ago: Call it spin if you wish. We Texans call it TRUTH.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: No, it's called religious right GOP 'truth' - all the Dem members voted against it.
23 months ago: I guess that Democrats running away and not voting counts as a no vote in your mind.

...three other Democrats seemed to sense their futility and left...
23 months ago: Regardless of party a 10 to 5 vote seems like a mandate to me...

AUSTIN – After considering about 300 amendments during its January and March meetings, the State Board of Education, on a 10-5 vote today, gave preliminary approval to new social studies curriculum standards that will be used in the Texas public schools.
23 months ago: No, It's called Constitutional Republic.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Did you see the desk of State Board of Education member Mary Berlanga - she adorned it with Jim Crow history? You know, the kind of history the religious right Christians would prefer to sweep under the table as they pine for the days of Leave it to Beaver.
23 months ago: Enjoy the video.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Those were the shows - Beverly Hillbillies, Gomer Pyle, Bewitched, etc.,- and they thought TV was a wasteland back in that day.
23 months ago: It is the perception of Texas and dumb Hillbillies by people like you. To infer that Texas is a wasteland is laughable coming from someone in Florida. A state that is currently listed in the top 5 to fail along with California, Nevada and New York. Your ethic meter is showing. Needing a Texas Bail-out?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Huh, now looking at some actual statistics for percent of population, 25 years and older who have high school degrees and higher, Florida in 2006 had 84.7% and Texas had 78.6% - are you sure you should be calling out any other State when you're near the bottom of the eduational pole?

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d08/t...

And aren't you sensitive - I wasn't intending to make any sleight regarding the TV show or calling your state hillbillies - my wasteland comment was relative to today's wasteland of TV shows vice what people thought was wasteland in the past. I prefer to watch the old sitcoms.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: BTW, I've lived in multiple states and just before leaving the military, I was either going to move to Central Florida or San Antonio, Texas. It was pretty much a flip of the coin and while I'm now in Florida, there's still half a chance I'll move to Texas.
23 months ago: I find all of that smoke to be very funny. Try eating it. Your smart enough to know that data is highly skewed due to the amount of illegals in Texas that the government won't purge.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: That's one small reason Florida won out on my 'move to' choice.
23 months ago: If your just looking for a close V.A. I suggest Kerrville. My Mom finished her retirement tours there before moving back to the homeland.
23 months ago: Mary Berlanga and Jim Crow? Really. I'd like to see that picture as Berlanga is one of the Democrats that voted no.

with Democrats Rick Agosto, Lawrence Allen, Mary Helen Berlanga, and Mavis Knight voting no.

Texas State Teachers Association news room:
http://www.tsta.org/news/current/index.s...

Please explain why Hip Hop should be include in education.

Mavis Knight became frustrated when she learned that her amendment, which had just passed, did not reinstate hip-hop because hip-hop had just been removed--again.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: That's a good link TCG - at least the Texas State Teachers Association isn't towing the religious right's buffoonery, and they'll undoubtedly work around the Leave it to Beaver history book assuming it passes legal muster and is published as is.

Quote:

"His amendment also removed the Beat Generation. He noted that this genre contained the same characteristics that the right wing found objectionable in hip-hop."

Hope they didn't tell Jack Kerouac to hit the road.

A real example of buffoonery is:

"In Psychology, the board could not find a place to list Sigmund Freud as a significant figure...The board spent much of the afternoon removing Hispanics from the curriculum standards and replacing them with others. One key example was replacing painter Santa Barraza with Fred Avery, the creator of Daffy Duck."

So Fred Avery of Daffy Duck fame is in and Sigmund Freud is out. What's with religious cult's animus against Psychology - you got kooks like Tom Cruise of Scientology fame melting down about the evil of shrinks and here we got the religious kooks on the TBOE going Daffy over Freud.
23 months ago: The Texas State Teachers Association is second only to S.E.I.U. when it comes to socialism.

...at least the Texas State Teachers Association isn't towing the religious right's buffoonery, and they'll undoubtedly work around...

Not if they want to keep their jobs and high retirements.

They are also fighting moves to force them to teach by rating them on student achievement.
23 months ago: I didn't get a reply or picture link to ''Good ol' Democrat Miss Mary'' and her desk adorned with ''Jim Crow''. Could this be? A ripe chance to a anti-southerner to post actual links of a picture of a Democrat with ''Jim Crow'' artifacts on their desk while spouting equal us and them? Ripe to the point of being intoxicating.
23 months ago: Leave Beav and Wally out of this!
23 months ago: I'm still waiting for a link of Democrat State Board of Education member Mary Berlanga's desk with the ''Jim Crow'' history. Or are you just blowing more smoke? Really, you threw it out there. Please send us the picture link so we all can see the adornment of the democrats desk with ''Jim Crow'' history. I'm not letting this pass. Now that it is a Democrat your backing down?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: The pic is right here:

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/0...
23 months ago: Thanks, I burned it to CD just in case. You need to check her out. A real over the edge anti-American lawyer that is pissed because she didn't get her way. I say to Miss Mary. If you were any good at being an attorney you would not be in Corpus Christi.
23 months ago: Besides, she is just pissed because we are pushing her tribe back across the Rio Grande and she is losing imagration status clients by the droves. I'd be pissed also if my dreams were crushed because I thought Mexico still owned Texas.
23 months ago: You think I'm joking? Check out Miss "Jim Crow" at...

http://www.bonilla-chapalaw.com/mhb.html
23 months ago: Just so you know Mark. I just set an email to the firm which Miss ''Crow'' belongs to with a copy of the picture of her desk asking how a immigration and social security attorney ''Partner'' can have this stuff displayed openly on their desk. I asked for a open to the public reply. I also stated that if they do not respond I would mass produce the picture and her Bio on their website with all of the related questions. Let's see how the radical leftists respond.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago:
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Ah well, the shoe will be on the other foot and the hard core liberals in Texas can do like the religious right has done for years - pull their kids out of public school and home school, private school, religious school, etc.
23 months ago: Would that be the shoe we pissed on? Sorry. 10 years is the ruling. So our kids will be taught some truth until 2020.
23 months ago: I'm pissed you posted this rave first.

Right on Texas!

Liberals can't stand the truth.

I'll be your Texas history books show we Volunteers saved your a**es!

I'm about to figure Mark out. Let's change is name to stirfry.
23 months ago: ...I'll be your Texas history books show we Volunteers saved your a**es!...

Probably not. I do think that you can be assured that Texas History will include the Tennessee Volunteers as an intregral part to win "Texas Independence" from the Culturally corrupt Aztec crossbred Spanards which like to claim the land as Mexicans. Talk about hiding the past and stealing land. The French and Spanards were the worst.

Spain gave us Mexicans.
France gave us Creole.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: You know the sad thing about this is that Texas pretty much determines what text books are used throughout the nation. Now all of the kids who rely on the texts are going to be dumb as a box of rocks. Fortunately there are other sources too.

"We have manipulated strands to insert what we want it to be in the document, regardless as to whether or not it's appropriate."

Ya'all have good English too.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: I'm sure educated and conscientious teachers will be able to workaround one-sided textbooks - they've had to already but I'd love to see a history textbooks that are free of political bias and focused on presenting actual events and facts.

For example, did you note the perversity of Time Magazine lifting up Tom Lefto Hanks as some kind of historian on WWII when he frames the Pacific War as US racism & terror. Seriously, is Hanks sucking on Sean Penn's teat and did he forget that the Japanese imperialists were butchering 'sub-human' Chinese and were allies with Nazi Germany. I don't want the Tom Hanks version of history in any academic book.

At the same time, I don't want the religious right sanitizing America's own racial stains such as the forced relocation of Japanese Americans to internment ghetto camps. I imagine that fact won't be in their new 'history' book, and it's probably safe to assume Jim Crow history will be erased too.

As long as the hardcore left and the right are pushing the history books, you might as well call them fantasy novels. Of course to the religious right, that's no biggy since they treat their bible as non-fiction.

Oh, and let's dispense with the phony Judeo-Christian tag and call it what you know it is - Protestant-Christian. Let's not pretend the religious right is inclusive of the Jewish religion or recognizing the contribution of Jews in the founding of America.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: I can't believe you of all people "Mr. Fair And Balanced" Mark are saying educating our children of how and who influenced our forefathers is wrong. This is not whether you,Al or me believe in God or not. It is about teaching how our Nation was formed..leaving our factual information is suppressing the truth. So you are ok with suppressing the truth as long as it it fits your bias?

But you sit here and try to promote your bias openly.

"religious right sanitizing America's own racial stains such as the forced relocation of Japanese Americans"

We do things as a nation and all are accountable equally. You sit here and blame the religious right but were are you when the latest ethnic group was forced into internment camps after 9/11?

If I were to accept your way of thinking that a group of people is accountable for that occurring then you personally are accountable because you did not petition our Government to stop it. But I don't pretend you have any more control over it than I do. Nor do I pretend a group of people had any more control over past mistakes than the rest of this Nation.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...Mark are saying educating our children of how and who influenced our forefathers is wrong...

Putting words in my mouth again and I most certainly want the children to learn what the founding fathers said. For example, Thomas Jefferson:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

And how about this founding father quote from James Madison:

James Madison's summary of the First Amendment:

"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug. 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731)

How about this one from Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,4 - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Is there any doubt that the religious right textbooks are going to censor any factoids out that deter them from proselytizing their evangelical Dominionist religion in public schools?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: No one is proselyting their religion on you Mark nor is it happening in this debate especially concerning the text books. You yourself even agreed after reading a link about the Texas school board that it was not proselytizing.
23 months ago: ...taught the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers...

INFLUENCES. Your honestly saying there was not any Judeo-Christion influence?

Where does it say taught any religion?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ..there was not any Judeo-Christion influence?..

Yes, in the sense they wanted to get away from the oppressive Church states of Europe and worship as they please, and our secular Constitution allows for a plurality of religions with no religious tests to hold office.
23 months ago: I agree. Church States such as The Church of England played a major role. It is a fact that this country has deep roots in religious freedom. With that said, most of it was freedom to worship your own Judeo-Christian belief not the states mandated religion.

Once again. We are not expecting or will we allow specific religion indoctrinations in our schools.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...Where does it say taught any religion?..

When they voted to replace Thomas Jefferson with religious right icon John Calvin, it's patently obvious what this Christian fundamenlist filled board is up to. It's not about American history - these ultra-cons loathe Jefferson, they loathe our secular Constitution, and choosing John Calvin while excising Thomas Jefferson is all about propagating evangelical Christianity as the state religion.
23 months ago: ...When they voted to replace Thomas Jefferson with religious right icon John Calvin...

Where did you see this?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/texas-removes-thomas-jefferson-from-teaching-standard/19397481
23 months ago: Please re-read the part where it says,

...drop Jefferson from a world history section...

It's does not say dropped from American History.

This is a mis-leading article. AOL is the only ''News'' source? Oh yeah, it is according to the Texas Freedom Network. That alone makes me question it.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Good eye TCG.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: You know how to do searches as well as I can, and it's been reported from multiple sources. The boards decision to replace Jefferson with a protestant fundamentalist minister is a fact and not an opinion. If you want to quibble over which course, fine - it's the Age of Enlightenment in world history.

So how does this board of religious zealots claim they're trying to reinforce "American Exceptionalism" when they're intentionally removing Thomas Jefferson from the Enlightenment picture? It's because he wasn't an evangelical Christian and they loathe him as one of the engineers of an exceptional secular state that fostered the unique world concept of separation of Church and State.

And dollars to donuts, we can bet that Thomas Jefferson's quotes on that subject won't be in any 'history' textbook (American or World) as approved by this board of evangelical zealots.
23 months ago: ...we can bet that Thomas Jefferson's quotes on that subject won't be in any 'history' textbook (American or World)...

I am guessing your referring only to quotes by TJ regarding governments mandate of a single government religion. Is there any other quote topics by TJ you feel needs to be addressed?
23 months ago: Al, Since you an ex-education union hack, I expect no less from you regarding this topic. Your right in the fact that ''Texas pretty much determines what text books are used throughout the nation''. Coming to a classroom near you, truth.

''dumb as a box of rocks'' and ''Ya'all have good English too.''?

Good enough English and smart enough to possibly include the text in your schools.

Isn't that funny?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: I did not know this was English class? I will make sure I pick out all your grammar errors from here on out.

This is very good news to hear. Especially when it is undeniable truth that Judeo-Christian did influence the decisions of our nation's Founding Fathers.

Whether you believe in God or not it does not matter in this particular debate. You can not take away the fact that these influences did occur. That is fact from fiction. The God haters must be crawling out of their skin reading this, knowing they have to stop teaching their fiction.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "Board members argued about the classification of historic periods (still B.C. and A.D., rather than B.C.E. and C.E.); whether students should be required to explain the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its impact on global politics (they will); and whether former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir should be required learning (she will)."

I had a question more than a rebuttal. Maybe if Rudi reads this he can answer this for me. Was wondering how the Jewish community looks at this quote from the Ap Article. Is some of the main Jewish events that have occurred throughout history being presented with a anti-Jewish bias in text books?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Here's an interesting Jewish perspective.

Geoffrey Dennis, Rabbi, Congregation Kol Ami in Flower Mound; faculty member, University of North Texas Jewish Studies Program

"if every high school could offer a course like that, where students would learn about religion, rather than be indoctrinated with religion, then I think such a course should be mandatory in our public schools. Problem is, of course, that too often such proposed courses, whether it be "Bible as Literature" or "World Religion," are usually promoted by groups whose primary interest is not to inform, but to indoctrinate children with a particular religious perspective."

"I think we have to approach the formal inclusion of religion in our school curriculums with great caution and, especially, it has to start with a conscious decision, at the highest levels of state government, that such programs are required to reflect the full diversity of religious life, rather than to simply favor the parochial preferences of voters, even if they are in the majority. Effective education in this domain begins with the First Amendment: government (that is schools) are not permitted to establish any religion at the expense of any other."

Doesn't that seem balanced?

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archi...
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Are Jewish events that have occurred throughout history being presented with a anti-Jewish bias in text books?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: I agree with Mark that History should deal with facts and should be nonpartisan. I think it is nuts that Texas should determine texts for the nation and that decision is made by 10 people with a conservative religious agenda. Why don't we allow the best historians have a say in what is in the history texts, the best mathematicians determine math texts and the best scientists determine science texts.

It is said that the victors get to write the history books, therefore we give short shrift to the only use of nuclear bombs on a civilian population.

Furthermore history should not be to glorify those who took us into war but it should be used to avoid poor choices and learn consequences. As Santana said those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

"Along with inspirational visions, we will need specific schemes for accomplishing important purposes, which can then be laid before the groups that use them. Let the economists work out a plan for food... Let the political scientists work out tactics for the poor, rather than counter-insurgency tactics for the military. Let the historians instruct or inspire us, from the data of the past rather than amusing us, boring us or deceiving us... Let the scientists figure out and lay before the public plans on how to make autos safe, cities beautiful, air pure. Let all social scientists work on modes of change instead of merely describing the world that is, so that we can make the necessary alterations with the least disorder." ~Howard Zinn, from The Uses of Scholarship
23 months ago: Al.

Face the truth.
23 months ago: Red, Al is just mad because his shoes are wet.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: What are we arguing about again? Oh yeah, HIS STORY. There is nothing new about the winner of a battle being able to tell the story from his perspective. Texas never felt part of the Union and the rest of the south still has similar sentiments. They are all waiting for their side to rise again, slaves and all. This is Texas way of keeping their hope relevant to a new generation of kids who might not give two hoots if great grand pappy killed Negro's, Ingins and Mexicans, who would probably like to forget that part of his past. Here's to Texas the last bastion for ignorance in America. Hip, hip hurray!
23 months ago: Finally!

The Siempre I know is back!
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: I never went away!
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago:
This is Texas way of keeping their hope relevant to a new generation of kids who might not give two hoots if great grand pappy killed Negro's, Ingins and Mexicans, who would probably like to forget that part of his past. Here's to Texas the last bastion for ignorance in America. Hip, hip hurray!

I just can not believe what I read here at RR sometimes. You deny your own heritage?
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY