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Superstitions 2 The Scandinavian Mythology

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Thor. When he moves the Earth trembles
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Paper Tiger
England
Part 2. Scandinavian Superstitions.


Scandinavians included the early inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland

The Scandinavians, like the Greeks, believed that the universe was originally chaos, or mass of confused vapors, peopled by a race of Rimthursar, evil spirits of gigantic bulk.

A being of nobler nature sprang up among these, named Bure, from whom were descended Odin and his two brothers Vile and Ve. These younger divinities followed exactly the same course with the northern giants that were pursued by Jupiter and his brothers with regard to the Titans, or older and gigantic deities of Greece.

Odin began to war with the Rimthursar, and having at last overcome their great chief Ymer, he created the world out of the giants body. His flesh became the mould, his bones the rocks, his hair the vegetable tribes and his blood the ocean. His scull represented the heavens, at the four corners of which were placed certain dwarfs, called North, South, East and West, whose duty it was to sustain the celestial dome.

After this, the luminaries of the sky were set in their places, and the order of the seasons appointed. Natt (Night) wedded one of the Aser, or celestial family of Odin, and gave birth to Dag (Day). These deities travel alternately round the world in cars, drawn by single horses.

Every great body, as in the Grecian mythology, was represented by a divinity. Frigga, or the Earth, was the daughter of Odin, and also became his wife. The inhabitants of the Earth, or mankind, were created by Odin and his brothers. Two pieces of wood, the one of ash and the other of elm, formed the materials of the first pair of mortals, who were distinguished for personal beauty and intellectual ability.

The race of deities inhabited Asgard, a place supposed by some to have been the city in Asia where the real mortal Odin was expatriated. The fabulous Asgard was pictured as containing numerous palaces and halls, the largest of which was the mansion of Joy, Where Allfader (Odin) sat on his throne amid his divine family.

This throne was named Liskialfa, or the Terror of Nations, and from it he could overlook the whole earth. Two ravens, Hugin (Spirit) and Muninn (Memory), sat always at his ear, and communicated to him intelligence of all things that were going on in the universe. Among the deities who dwelt in Asgard, one of the most important was Thor, or Asathor, son of Odin by Frigga, and the Mars, or Warrior god, of the Scandinavians.

Thor is described as the god of thunder, and the strongest of beings, earthly or heavenly. He is the son of Odin and Frigga, or, in other words, the Sun and the Earth. When he moves, the earth trembles. He holds in his hand a powerful hammer called the Crusher with whom he annihilates all who oppose him, and who offend the gods.

In battle, Thor is always girt with a magic girdle, which has the power of inspiring him with a divine fury, and redoubling his strength. On his right hand he wears an iron gauntlet, with which he grasps and wields the formidable crusher. This latter instrument was forged by a dwarf named Sindri, the prototype of the deformed blacksmith-deities of the Greeks, Vulcan and his Cyclopse.

The hammer possesses the wonderful power of never missing its aim, and when launched at any object, returns to the hand of Thor, after destroying his foe. Thor is sometimes called Aukistor, or Thor of the Car, from his riding on a chariot, drawn by two powerful he-goats, named Sangniostr and Tangrisner. This deity has a spouse named Sipia, famous for her beautiful hair.

After Odin, Thor was the most cherished deity of Scandinavia and had statues and temples erected everywhere. The statues of him were usually formed of clay, and represent a tall figure, with a red painted beard, indicative of the lightning which he was supposed to wield.

Bread and meat were supplied daily to the god by his worshippers, and at stated times libations were poured out in his honour.

Balder, the second son of Odin, was the most beautiful and amiable of the Aser, or gods. Unlike the rest of his brethren, he was fond of peace, and had the power of allaying tempests, and acting as a mediator, to avert divine wrath. His decrees were irrevocable. In some points he resembled the Apollo of the Greeks, but the general qualities of that personage found a closer representative in Braga or Bragi, the god of eloquence and poetry.

Niord, the god of the sea, and his son Freys, the god of rain, were also important deities of the north. Every element, or important natural phenomenon, was under the guidance, in a manner, of some celestial personage.

Frigga, the Scandinavian Juno, was the bestower of fertility and plenty. Freia, or Fraya, the daughter of Niord, was the Venus of Asgard and the patroness of matrimony. Siona assisted Freia in her duties and Sofna, the first of who made lovers faithful, while the other, reconciled them when they quarreled.


Eyra was the physician of the gods. There were various other minor divinities in the Scandinavian mythology, though not nearly so many as in the Grecian roll.

The great hall appointed for the reception of the spirits of the brave, when they left earth for the seat of the gods, was called Valhalla. Twelve beautiful, yet terrible nymphs, named Valkyries (choosers of the slain), were the guides of the good spirits to the hall of Valhalla, and supplied them with mead. The occupation of drinking this northern nectar, and of eating the fat of the wild boar Serimner-which, after serving as the daily food of thousands, became whole again every night.

The mythology of the Scandinavians survived till a much later date than any other system of heathen worship in Europe. It was not abolished till the eleventh century. St Olaf, king of Norway, and a zealous supporter of Christianity, usually receives the credit of having overturned this most barbarous form of religion.
Our term Wednesday is derived from Odin's or Wodin's day. Thursday is from Thor, Friday takes its name from Freya. Saturday is derived from Saeter and Sunday and Monday from the moon.

Part 3 Anglo-Saxon Superstitions.

UPDATE - 19 months ago
This Rave was taken from:

Information for the people
Edited by William and Robert Chambers
Edinburgh
Published by William and Robert Chambers and W S Orr London.
1848.
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all(?) of your article from a book titled, "Old places revisited: or, the antiquarian enthusiast, Volume 2" by Robert Bigsby. While I'm sure the book is in the public domain, please quote the relevant bits with a link to the rest of the book and and write your opinion or commentary about it.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re-PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all

None of this information has been downloaded from the internet! The reaearch came from a book titled,

Information for the people
Edited by William and Robert Chambers
Edinburgh
Published by William and Robert Chambers and W S Orr London.
1848.

How dare you say I have cut and pasted this piece.


markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: Here's the link to Google books and "Chambers Information for the People" edited by William Chambers - starting about 5 lines down, you'll see a paragraph beginning with, "The Scandinavians, like the Greeks, believed that the universe..." If one continues reading that, your entire post appears to be a word for word a copy of it.

http://tinyurl.com/2bqzrys

Whether your manually transcribed it from a book at the library or you cut and paste it from the Google archive, makes no difference - it's wholesale copying of a book as a topic post. Is there something original here? If you want to provide a commentary, review or opinion on the book and quote and cite pieces of it, that's great but merely copying it and making it a topic post will not suffice. Matters not whether it's an old book in the public domain (e.g. the Bible) or a newspaper article.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re-Here's the link to Google books and "Chambers Information for the People" edited by William Chambers.

I told you it was Cambers Information for the People edited by William Chambers, 1848, don't pretend that you found it because you did not. The link was me telling you.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re-PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all(?) of your article from a book titled, "Old places revisited: or, the antiquarian enthusiast, Volume 2" by Robert Bigsby.

Take the post off the site!

Maybe I have upset some of your religious believes, maybe you have poisened it because you cannot understand the piece. Maybe the post of Moderator has gone to your head (read the white coat article, you might learn something) If you believe the members of this site do not think you are up to the job, don't try to turn around your shortfalls by rubbishing me!
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re-PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all(?) of your article from a book titled, "Old places revisited: or, the antiquarian enthusiast, Volume 2" by Robert Bigsby.

The names and the history are legend! What did you expect me to do change the names, or the history, and call Thor (Peter),? Odin (Timothy),? Frigga (Doris).? or reinvent Scandinavian mythology? It is what it is a legend. Did your Robert Bigsby make the legend up himself, invent all the names, where did he get his information from?? "Old places revisited: Was this book the first ever book published on the on the Scandinavian legends? Tell all the people that have ever done anything on Scandinavian Legends that they have stole and copied from other sources.

I suppose if I ever mention anything about Christian Relgion you will accuse me of copying and pasting the Bible. Now I am going to look up about these people that YOU say I stole the pieces from and compare the text. This has not finished!

Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all(?) of your article from a book titled, "Old places revisited: or, the antiquarian enthusiast, Volume 2" by Robert Bigsby. While I'm sure the book is in the public domain, please quote the relevant bits with a link to the rest of the book and and write your opinion or commentary about it.

Hi Einstein, the two books you have mentioned are the same book. I have been looking at Robert Bigsby Volume two and it does not even have the same take on Superstition 2. Also the Bigaby wrote his work in 1851. The research for my rave was done before 1848.

Mayby Bigsby used the same source of references as I did the are only 3 years seperating the two articles, so Bigsby stole the piece from the place I did my research?

Do me a favour cut, paste and display the results, of Bigsby in the open, on the site as a rant. See if you can justify your ignorance?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: Whether it's Chambers or Bigsby, makes no difference - your entire post was copied entirely from one of their books and I provided the evidence above. This has nothing to do with being on a power trip; all articles are reviewed for Google News submission and when I checked your article for originality, I found a search match on Google and discovered your post wasn't original, and was in fact copied wholesale from a book. Therefore, not only did I reject it for submission to Google News but I'm informing you that it's not appropriate and violates our site policies.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re - Whether it's Chambers or Bigsby, makes no difference

It was me that told you where I got the story from, so where did this Bigsby come from then? Your acting like you have solved the mystery of the Holy Grail.

I TOLD YOU WHERE IT CAME FROM, I WAS NOT HIDING ANYTHING! IF I HAD WANTED TO HIDE IT I WOULD HAVE LET YOU BELIEVE IT WAS BIGSBY.

I wanted to have a discussion on superstition, I cannot invent a legend to keep you happy.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: ...It was me that told you where I got the story from...

Yes, you told me after I asked. For future reference, you need to place citations and quotes in the topic itself; not in the comments section after questions are asked. For example, in the beginning of the topic, you would state,

From Chamber Encyclopedia:

"The Scandinavians, like the Greeks, believed that the universe was originally chaos, or mass of confused vapors, peopled by a race of Rimthursar, evil spirits of gigantic bulk...."

Using quotation marks and citing the source will set your original writing apart from someone else's writing. If you have no original writing in a topic and you're just copying a book or an article, that's not appropriate and violates our community guidelines. Please see:

http://www.rantrave.com/community-guidel...
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re- PT, you appear to have cut and paste most or all(?) of your article from a book titled, "Old places revisited: or, the antiquarian enthusiast, Volume 2" by Robert Bigsby. While I'm sure the book is in the public domain, please quote the relevant bits with a link to the rest of the book and and write your opinion or commentary about it.

You are clutching at straws, you made a mistake with Bigsby, now you are saying, after you told me? After you told me Bigsby wrote it? So what you are saying is, although you said Bigsby, and I told you it was chambers, you are now implying that you knew it was Chambers all along?

Then why did you not say Chambers from the start.

The Chambers book is my own property, I collect old books. My replys are not from the internet they are from the reseasch I do with my own books. As for copyright, is it different in the US than the UK?

This book, that I told you about first, is my property, as there is no copyright on the book at all. As it belongs to me I can use this book for any references I want. There is no statute to say how long I want that reference to be, it could be a hundred pages long. It could be one word.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Re-Then why did you not say Chambers from the start.


The start of my rave was superstition part 1. In the heading I told the world it was written from records dated 1810.

So the start of my rave was very clear. This was to be an ongoing piece through history so I could not reference things at the start because I did not know the direction it was going, or what would be written.

Had someone asked a question or added information it would have steered the piece to who knows where. I know you could have foreseen the future, but then Iam not a moderator that thinks he has the right to rubbish me worldwide.

"Superstition (Part 1) Written from records dated 1810"
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: When I was initially checked your submission for Google News, the Bigsby book popped up and than I subsequently found the book by Chambers and your entire post came from that book. Which author wrote it or the difference between US/UK copyright laws is a red herring; you copied a book without quotes or citation, and you offered no original writing - that's the focus point here.

Again, for future reference, you need to place citations and quotes in the topic itself as noted above. Also, if the book is already in digital form, you can just as well provide a link to it as I did.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: Regardless of how many parts, ensure that you separate original writing from quotations of books and articles by using quotes. Since each post is a separate topic, include the citation each time so that there no misunderstandings.

Also, if you have no original opinion or commentary on the quoted material in any given post, and/or your intent is to copy large swaths of a book onto Rant Rave, that won't fly.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Sorry Mark
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: Thanks!

As someone that is half Norwegian I appreciate the wonderful lesson in Norse Mythology.

I was going to suggest that you use the term mythology instead of superstition.

The body of myths belonging to a culture. Myths are traditional stories about gods and heroes. They often account for the basic aspects of existence — explaining, for instance, how the Earth was created, why people have to die, or why the year is divided into seasons.

Superstitions are irrational belief usually founded on ignorance or fear and characterized by obsessive reverence for omens, charms, etc

This brings up the question of where does religion, mythology, and superstition differ. They are all pretty irrational. Does myth differ from religion because most people no longer believe in the myths but they do the religions?

Superstitions are beliefs that some things like lucky numbers, or wearing your favorite sports teams lucky hat during a game so they will win. Religions are current superstitions about origins etc. while myths are historical records of past superstitions about origins that are no longer believed by very many people.

I think the Norse and Greek myths are a lot more fun than the Judeo Christian superstitions.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: Snakker du norsk?

...I think the Norse and Greek myths are a lot more fun than the Judeo Christian superstitions...

Any of the superstitions that are generally accepted as fantasy are fun; when the superstitions are accepted as fact, they go from fun to insane.
19 months ago: Sounded like a fricking cat fight there for several posts! PT, Mark, hope you two have settled this one amicably. PT, I'm sure Mark just wants you to give credit where credit is due, even if you didn't know it was due there, own up to it and just give a link. Even if you paraphrase, still give a link to the original. Mark, sometimes in our haste to pass things along us posters forget to give credit, your call was fair and PT over-reacted in my opinion and (hopefully) will not do it again.

So far it has been very informative and I don't give a hoot where you (PT) got it from as long as you give some sort of reference to the source. I know you didn't dream it all up, too many ways to check it with historical documents. It gives an insight into the ancient mind of man and how he explained where he came from without the benefit of modern science which still hasn't filled in all the blanks and probably won't in my or your, lifetimes.

Keep 'em comin'!!!
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
19 months ago: Hi Six

The voice of reason. Yes I know it was a fair call. Again, I am sorry Mark, I have no excuses. You are a good moderator, you were doing your job. It will not happen again.
18 months ago: Going gets tough the tough get going would anyone like to embellish the cliche?
Frankly religion as a historical culture information falls under the category of hard sell. As news travels fast irregardless of it's content's source. A personal relationship
with The Divine is personal and it should remain that way. It took alot of work adding info in a coherent manner. Now that the sources are revealed noted it's all well and good.

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