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Edward Lee
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1 Corinthians 15:35-55.It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Choosing a Minister

If your loved one was a member of a church, they would most likely want you to ask a pastor or minister from their church to officiate the service. If you are working with a funeral home, let them contact the minister of your choice. If the deceased had no contact with a church, you may want to rely on the funeral home to recommend a minister, or ask family members to help decide on a minister. The person you choose to officiate will have a large part in shaping the overall dynamics of the funeral service.

Offer Hope

As a Christian keep in mind this important detail when planning the funeral service. Funerals are one of the rare times in life when non-Christians stop to think about eternity. A funeral is the perfect opportunity for a Christian family to share their faith and the hope for eternity with non-believing family and friends. If you wish to clearly present the Gospel and offer the hope of salvation in Christ, be sure to ask the minister to include this in his message. A great time to take an alter call.

· Any special songs or music you would like to include.

· Any poems, stories, Bible Verses, or readings you would like to include.

· Any special speakers or singers you would like to participate.

· Any specific photos of your loved one or family you would like displayed.

A table is often provided for the family to place special remembrances, photographs and other memorabilia during the service. Be sure to think about what you might want to display. Take some time to gather these items and make arrangements with the funeral coordinator.

Service Handout
Because most memorial services are planned in a relatively short period of time, this detail is often overlooked. If you would like the guests to have a memento or remembrance, you can provide a special printed handout or bookmark. This can be as simple as a picture of your loved one with their birth and death dates, the order of service and a cherished Bible verse. Check with the funeral home or coordinator, as they may provide this for you upon request.

Guest Book
This record of attendance is usually very meaningful to family members, so ask someone to be responsible to bring a guest book and a nice pen.

Length of Service
The entire length of the funeral service often depends on the number of guests. Time should be allow either before or after the service to greet your guests and give them a moment to say their good byes to the deceased. It is recommended to keep the actual service length anywhere between 30-60 minutes.

My Conclusion

Although if you are burnt in a fire, your remains can still be buried, the fact is that Most of the key people in the Old Testament were buried, Jesus was put in a tomb. The Bible says in:

1 Corinthians 15:35-55

It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory.

That's good enough for me. Being Cremated is symbolic of Hell. Another thing is that if your ashes are spread around, is it going to come together on resurrection day?

Closed casket, Amazing Grace and Old rugged cross. Next to my wife. You can visit us at the same time, save on gas.

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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: What inspired you to write this piece of mortuary advice? Planning to check out soon or do you work in the industry?
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: No really, though about it, and anything that is not clear to me I investigate. Why is this a first?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Just curious and I don't recall the subject being discussed or at least in such detail.
amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
17 months ago: Go back to one of my earliest posts.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/What-do-i-d...
17 months ago: It's a question that does nothing but raise problems for people who have lost relatives in fires, explosions and other means whereby there is no body to bury. It is also a question that a true believer in Christianity should never bother to ask because there is no need to pose it except to bring doubt upon your own religion.

The answer to your question is, it doesn't matter what happens to your physical body. If you believe in the Bible, and all the other things that go along with being a Christian, you already know that your physical body is nothing but a shell within which your soul dwells and upon death your soul departs.

It's one of the reasons I rejected religion. Millions and millions of people die every year, where do their souls go while waiting for judgement day? There is no "in-between" place or explination for what happens for the hundreds or thousands of years between death and resurection. (Now you are going to bring up Pergutory and I'm going to say, Huh?)

For those who still believe in such things, have no fear, IF I'm wrong and the Bible is true, what I said above still rings true and only those who doubt the authenticity of their salvation would question the need to "bury" a body, those who truely belive KNOW that the body is only a temporary dwelling place and has no function after it dies.
17 months ago: I reject religion too. Sucks.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: The Bible does not say anything about this, and as I said no one could give me explanation, this is my reasoning and of course following the example of others.

1 Corinthians 15:35-55.It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. Of course I am absolutely aware that your physical body is nothing but a shell, which your soul dwells and that God can do anything.

I would like to picture myself resurrecting out of my grave instead of being harvested from various locations. Let me put it like this, should I cut off my leg, because on resurrecting day I would get a new one? Or if I am the only man left on earth, have sex with an animal saying that God will understand?

In spite of the fact that some say that they do not want to think of their body, even if dead being eaten by worms, so they would like to be cremated. Hey, this is just a preference like choosing a brown or white coffin. I will say this about cremation it's cheaper, and you can save, or your wife in hiring a hearse.

By the way, there is no such place like Purgatory, and by saying that you reject religion or salvation, what is the alternative? Now that would be a real big wrong.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Should I cut off my leg, because on resurrecting day I would get a new one?

Now that does not mean that God will not give you back a complete body, but why tempt God by doing it on purpose? It's like someone praying for forgiveness, concluding that the slate is clean, and then doing it over again, thinking, what's a little on the slate?
17 months ago: What could you possibly tempt an omnipotent God with? He can create or just take anything he wants? According to your beliefs that is. What would he care if your body came to him in smoke, pieces or all at once? According to your religion, he is only interested in your soul, not your body. Your body is purely a container for your soul and its condition before and after death is of no concern to God and when I read crap like the above where you place way too much value on a whole human body, I am further convinced that your religion is nothing but a man made way to control other men.

Next thing you'll be posting is that in order to get into Gods good graces you have to dress up to go to church. Might offend that all-powerful being because your socks don't match. What does He care? You should be able to show up naked and not offend a real God that cares only for your soul. Obviously you are more concerned with what other people think than with what your God thinks about you.

I really believe you need to go back and study the message behind the writings in the entire Bible, not just the Kings James version, but all the books, remember many books were edited out because they didn't have the right message the men assembling it wanted to send. A bit too much freedom from priestly control.

Yes I rejected religion, doesn't mean I know nothing about it.

Tell you what Ed, you are rich in worldly goods and money and you want to be seen as a benevolent Christian who truly believes what you preach. Maybe now would be a good time to divest yourself of your riches and start a walking ministry of your area. I'm poor and could use a hand paying my bills and I know of many others who need financial support a heck of a lot more than they need more religion. You give it away no strings attached and you might get some converts that really believe, unlike many that say they do.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ..could use a hand paying my bills..

Six,

Private message me your paypal address or address if no paypal and I'll send you what I can. As I'm also a military retiree with disability, I can't send a large amount but as I know you're a legit fellow veteran, I'm happy to help if you got a pressing need.
17 months ago: Mark, Thanks for the offer and if you had the resources to spare I might even take you up on it but to accept help from someone in the same boat as I just would not set well with me. Military retiree, disabled, living on fixed income or even less, this is not the source of financial aid to others like us, it should come from those who can truly afford it, the mega-rich who have preyed upon the masses and used our government against us to make themselves richer.

I'm not saying that Ed is of that breed of low-life scum, he may have made his money with his own two hands and a good deal of sweat, I don't know, but he wants to impress upon others how great his religion and all is, so I figure he can start by shedding his wealth. Maybe he can help you out instead of me, you might even need it more than I.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Six, you are right nothing is impossible for God, and it's a relationship, not a religion.

"To be absent from the body for the Christian, is to be present with the Lord"
when we die our soul goes to heaven immediately, when Jesus returns, "the Rapture" we who are buried, our body or the remains of it is resurrected and unite with our Souls. I know for a fact that if our body is eaten by wild beast that our body (my wisdom of how that will happen is limited) that it will still be resurrected.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Six said: Tell you what Ed, you are rich in worldly goods and money, and you want to be seen as a benevolent Christian, who truly believes what you preach.

That's just the point YOU ARE WRONG, that is my point everything about me and my ministry is in over 150 postings, but you still do not know me.

It's like a cremated body that is scatted all around that you Six, can't bring it together. That is why God is who He is, and you are right, He can bring it all together, why He even knew us before we were born.

17 months ago: Ed, you could have 10,000 or just one posting, I still won't "know" you. That requires actual face to face interaction and the odds of that occuring are pretty much nil.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: The reason I have a personal relationship which Jesus, is because, I always had a relevance for Him, and become of this, Six ("I am far from perfect"), that is why I have been refined by fire. Adventures, Success, Awards, on one hand.

I lost it all three times three burnouts because of business stress. I almost died from it. Restored 3 times, heard His voice, miraculous healings, and reveling. Himself to me. After each trial, my faith and my relationship goes to a new level.

I could enjoy respect and status because of my past successes, but I chose to preach to the lost "one on one" prisons, skid row, churches and the Full gospel Businessmen fellowship, and on the internet.

However, most of the time it's one on one, Why? I have met quite a few counterfeit Christians, that I would rather not be associated with, but on the other hand, there are many faithfull.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Instead of Hating God, because of counterfeit Christians, why not go directly to the top? The way you write you are no fool, you know of the Lord, but you don't know Him personally.

I am trying and trying to get the point to the unsaved that God is real, but it is like trying to pull the teeth from a mule.

God is real, Six and he want you, He died for you, let me ask you, what is the alternative?

Try this He promises that "He will reveal Himself to those who seek Him with all of their heart"
17 months ago: Ed, why do you use the word "hate"? Is it because you cannot wrap your mind around the concept that someone might not believe in your imaginary God and if they don't believe, then they must hate it? I have no hate in my heart for your imaginary God.

Now you've gone and contradicted yourself again. Either that or 18 years of being forced to learn about Christianity, the Bible and all the other religious fairy tales was pretty much a waste, just like I thought it was but now you've gone and verified it, again.....

Who DIED? You say your omnipotent, un-aging, un-killable, can't-ever-die, God, died. How can that be? He CAN'T die. He is ever-lasting.

Now if you had said Jesus Christ, son of God, came to Earth and died for me, then I wouldn't have said anything because that's what REAL CHRISTIANS believe. GOD, JESUS CHRIST (His son) and the HOLY GHOST are three separate entities, according to Christian's, teachings from the Bible.

Don't be too hard on yourself, Catholics get it wrong all the time and they are big Trinity believers. It's all in the verbiage, you got to say it the right way or it's wrong.

See why I don't believe in your fairy tales? Too much contradiction even by those who shout the loudest.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: I will tell you the story about a man who is sold out to God, spent 17 years in Jail, was an alter-boy, he and his brothers killed a man who hit their mother, in jail, at the end of his rope, cried out to God "God if you are real reveal yourself to me, if not I will end my life tonight" Instantly fill with the Holy Spirit, exchange his cigarettes for a Bible, the Holy Spirit thought him the Word, and he became like John the Baptiste in prison, winning souls for God.

Now there is a real Christian, I partner with him in his ministry, going to the prisons, www.houseofthegoodshepherd.org my son and myself build the web-site. This camp in Squamish BC is to help the homeless and the destitute who has falling through the safety net, like the engineer who gave up on life. "feeding the poor"
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...exchange his cigarettes for a Bible...

Is that really a fair exchange?
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: I though we we were getting serious?

But the answer is no, cancer for life, Rob got the better deal.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...I though we we were getting serious?...

I am. Rob exchanged the cigarettes for a book containing barbaric fables, gross religious intolerance, and a story of an irrational tri-headed god that demanded that he bleed for himself, and if you don't believe it, he'll torture you for all eternity. The Bible and other religious 'holy texts' have been responsible for the violent death of countless hundreds of millions over the history of these religions. So yeah, cigs are the lesser evil here.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Wrong again, God wanted the best for man, Satan deceived man, God sent his son to be crucified for you to regain His relationship with you, but Satan still has you by your big toe, "you win or you lose by the way that you chose"

Tell be what benefit will you gain by having a relationship with the evil one, he is the one that is responsible for all of the wars and trouble on this world, and you by cursing God, you will never experience His love.

The rich man had the same attitude, until he died and cried out to father Abraham for Lazarus to put some water on his tongue, although you may be in a wheel chair, you can have it all, more than most rich men, but the FOOL say's in his heart "there is no God.
17 months ago: Lemme give you a clue. As long as you have large areas of undeveloped land, burying is an option and you can happy discuss / justify and stoke religious zeal while entertaining the options.

However, on any closed system (Like our planet Earth), eventually all the land gets developed an cremation becomes the obvious alternative. Happy Ho Ho's.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: I live in Canada, we have lots of land.
17 months ago: That is a fools answer. What you are saying Ed is that you have room to bury billions upon billlions upon billions upon billions (continue this for a few billion more times) of bodies with no end in sight and never a reused grave and that this is not a problem because there are a few unused acres next door and your limited understanding of your Gods intentions requires you to be buried intact and without damage.

For one thing Ed, Canada is not unlimited in size AND you don't own all of it, someone else has deed to parts that you think will make a good graveyard and they want to keep their house on it.

Maybe you forgot that eternity could be a long time coming.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Amish, All suggestions will be considered, and the winning entry will get a credit on the tombstone. If there is one.

I would not hold you to your promise, but I hope this post has helped.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Here's a company that will launch your cremated remains into deep space.

http://www.celestis.com/

And when you're out in deep space, say hello to the Heaven's Gate cultists that are on the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet.
17 months ago: I'd rather go while I could enjoy the trip!
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: There is a great song for you guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6IBdHW_... &
Jesus Rap: http://www2.godtube.com/?page=0%2C0%2C14
17 months ago: Cremated.

Burial is a waste of real estate.
17 months ago: Also - the funeral industry is a racket.

They get grieving individuals to consent to pay thousands of dollars for for a casket that will never be seen again.

The guilt that is involved if you try to be any ways thrifty or reasonable, guilt comes at you from all angles.

$4000 coffin but no brass handles? You are a cheap skate and will be fortunate if your relative/friend doesn't haunt you.

Dark business.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Wallmart is selling caskets cheap.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: I wouldn't call the Walmart coffins cheap - here's the list and the least expensive is $995.00

http://tinyurl.com/26m4add

All of them include a bed and mattress as though a corpse really needs a bed while it's decomposing underground.

Here you go Ed - economical and environmentally friendly options from Eternity International; pine box $345 or cardboard box with lid: $125.

http://www.eeternity.com/

But I agree with Huey - just get a simple cremation and avoid the funeral industry.
17 months ago: Recently buried our little brother, total cost, less than $200. If our neighbor had taken what I offered for his back-hoe work digging the grave would have been more. Pine box was made by brother-in-law from plans he found on the internet. No funeral home involved and body went from morgue to casket to grave. All perfectly legal and everything except dressing him done by family.

Many coroners and funeral home directors will tell you it is against the law to bury your own, or even a friend but they are lying to protect their business or they are just ignorant of the law. All you have to do is follow the rules that are mostly on the internet or can be found at the library.

You can waste your money or you can spend it on the living, your choice.
scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: I plan to get cremated although I am a Christian I don't think it matters either way you go. The Bible is full of metaphors "rising from the dead", "taken up" does not necessarily mean your physical body will be taken up. No I think it was talking we will be taken up in the spiritual sense not the physical sense.

Once we are gone we are gone it is what we did while we we were here that will matter. Most families do not hold to the dead loved ones wishes so does that mean they will not rise up if they are cremated?

scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: Plus I forgot to add is God not so powerful they He can not create us from the ash of our graves? Remember He is our Creator nothing is beyond His power.
17 months ago: You would think Ed was aware of that belief, guess he has some doubts about the power of his God.

Even though I don't believe as you do, I can agree that your understanding of the teachings of the Christian religion and it's God conform to what I also understand to be it's teachings.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: In tropical environment with all the fungi and insects, a buried human cadaver can be completely gone within a matter of weeks. So if a deity needs a "working corpse" in order to resurrect it, most people will be SOL. Ed, you might want to consider getting buried in the Arctic or better yet, a cryogenic laboratory.

...The Bible is full of metaphors...

Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble...Joseph Campbell
17 months ago: Not to mention the millions upon millions that died throughout the existence of man, most not ever having been indoctrinated into religion of any type.

Maybe Ed is just trying to scare up some business for one of his investments? He is a businessman with fingers in varied enterprises…..
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...Maybe Ed is just trying to scare up some business for one of his investments?...

Perhaps and the business of death is always thriving, especially during war.
17 months ago: Here's an alternate method that speeds up the processes, Promession. They freeze-dry your body, crunch it up and use it to fertilize plants or what ever you want done with it. No mess, no fuss.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
17 months ago: Well this post has been fruitful, now you will know how to plan and what our choices are:


markbyrn

16 hours ago: I wouldn't call the Walmart coffins cheap - here's the list and the least expensive is $995.00

http://tinyurl.com/26m4add

All of them include a bed and mattress as though a corpse really needs a bed while it's decomposing underground.

Here you go Ed - economical and environmentally friendly options from Eternity International; pine box $345 or cardboard box with lid: $125.

sixholdens
Here's an alternate method that speeds up the processes, Promession. They freeze-dry your body, crunch it up and use it to fertilize plants or what ever you want done with it. No mess, no fuss.

scotmanster
4 hours ago: I plan to get cremated although I am a Christian I don't think it matters either way you go. The Bible is full of metaphors "rising from the dead", "taken up" does not necessarily mean your physical body will be taken up. No I think it was talking we will be taken up in the spiritual sense not the physical sense.

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