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Scientology vs Anonymous - 4:0

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Louanne
Los Angeles, CA
As we learned from various press releases today, the US State Attorney, a whopping 21 months after the act, now indicted Anonymous member Brian Thomas Mettenbrink for various cybercrimes against the Church of Scientology (I guess that means a couple of more Anonymous members can still expect a raid or arrest).

One of the charges, the attempt to crash http://www.scientology.org, could cost him some years of his life. The other one, conspiracy, should add a couple of more years or fines.

But let's look a little back: News had it some months ago that Anonymous member Dmitryi Guzner agreed to charges of computer sabotage and attacks on the Church of Scientology websites as well as to pay $37,500 in restitution.

This had been a starting point of a series of legal losses for Anonymous and following irate reactions of their propagandists. On Guzner, the Anonymous propaganda machine reacted with a press release issued the same day and stating that Scientology would not support same-sex marriage, an issue the Church of Scientology is not caring about much due to its lack of spiritual background.

Gregg Housh

The next in this series of bad news for Anonymous was Gregg Housh. Housh admitted at the Boston Municipal Court that there is enough evidence to warrant a finding of guilt that he was disturbing the peace and religious services of the Church of Scientology in Boston. Housh had been leading a group of people, all masked with "V for Vendetta" masks (somewhat resembling the appearance of the KKK, as a Boston citizen would put it later) at an "international protest" of Anonymous in Boston.

To be more precise, the Assistant District Attorney, Mr. Devlin, read out the charges as follows:

"Docket # 0086676. Date of offense: February 10th, 2008. On this date the defendant, Gregg Housh, willfully disturbed and interrupted religious worship taking place inside the Church of Scientology located at that location. He also caused disturbance of the peace with the same conduct."

To which Housh says:

JUDGE: Alright, a few moments ago sir the Assistant DA, Mr. Devlin, recited the facts of the case. Did you hear what he said the facts were?

HOUSH: Yes.
JUDGE: Do you admit those facts as being true?
HOUSH: Yes.
JUDGE: You admit to sufficient facts willingly, freely and voluntarily?
HOUSH: Yes.

To circumvent a sentence of up to one year of jail he agreed with a 12-month probation ending last week, 21 Oct 2009. The court clerk information Housh at the end of the hearing that he "Please see probation, sir, before you leave the courthouse today.". I wonder if he thinks twice now.

A disaster for the Anonymous, whose propagandists struggle to keep their personal army going. On 23 October 2008 several new online identities are born to start a justification spree on the internet, trying to explain that Anonymous should celebrate now that "the Judge was effectively dismissing the charges" against Housh - an obvious lie spread to keep the troop moral up. In the case of Mr. Guzner they explain to the technically illiterate why it is not harmful to try to destroy computers one does not own, a claim that might be apparent only to those who do not own a computer or website.

Donald Myers

The Anonymous propaganda machine however was speechless on the third of Anonymous bad news, Donald Myers. Mr. Myers, also known as "Angry Gay Pope", was given a restraining order that requires him to stay at least 50 yards away from a female Scientologist he stalked and harassed. The order also requires Myers to stay away from the L. Ron Hubbard Life Exhibition at the Church of Scientology International building in Hollywood where the victim works, and stay 50 yards away from the woman's home. The restraining order lasts for 3 years unless renewed.

Myers was found to have engaged in acts of harassment against the young woman, after video evidence was submitted to the court showing Myers stalking her, taunting her with sexual slurs, and refusing repeated requests to leave her alone. Myers was also ordered by the court to turn over any firearms in his possession to the police.

So, who's next?
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27 months ago: I think I'll file this under "**** nobody cares about."
27 months ago: By the way, why haven't Scientology's "OTs" managed to "handle" Anonymous AT ALL? Scientology OTs are supposed to have complete mastery over matter, energy, space and time (MEST).

I guess not!
27 months ago: Desperate, Laurisse, really. Don't you have a beagle to salute or something?

Cat, there are no OTs, that's why.
27 months ago: Also, thanks so much for posting the proof (yet again) that you folks posted the fake bomb threat on youtube. A little birdie told me a GEP animator is talking to the feds about that one, funny stuff.
27 months ago: "Louanne" please stop promoting 'Anonymous' with your badly thought out, and anonymously posted, fake troll posts.

How can you say that same-sex marriage "is an issue the Church of Scientology is not caring about much due to its lack of spiritual background"?

In fact, contrary to what you say, the Church of Scientology does have a spiritual background. Learn to write unambiguously.

The Church is the world's foremost proponent of human rights. Same-sex marriage is a human rights issue, so of course the Church cares greatly about it. But, you Anonymous rabble-rousers don't give a fig about that.

Stop trying to pose as some sort of 'official' voice of Scientology or Anonymous when plainly you are not. Leave that to Mr Davis and Mr Miscavige, who know what they are doing, and apply the tech flawlessly to win over the eager public.
27 months ago: Please stop trying to make ironic comparisons between the crimes of pimply Anonymous basement dwellers plinking away on their moms' computers and the organized fraud for which the Church of Scientology has just been slammed to the tune of $1 million.

This "4-0' business with which you lead just begs for the obvious comparison to the greater number of Scientologists just recently convicted for fraud.

Communication is considered a very important thing in Scientology. The low quality of your posting seems like a misguided attempt to demonstrate that Scientologists do not tend to be functionally literate.

Please read your rambling, parenthesized, first sentence. Now, had you thought of reading it before you posted? You must grab the reader and lead with your strong points.

A Scientologist would write clearly and unambiguously.
27 months ago: Let me try to quickly edit the whole, sorry mess for you, so you can repost it.

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Anonymous always lose. Scientology only knows how to win.

Grave Cybercrimes

Anonymous gang member Brian Thomas "The Tank" Mettenbrink has been indicted by the US State Attorney for grave cybercrimes against the people.

We learned this from various press releases issued today, nearly two long years after the evil acts.

So, watch out Anonymous. You don't know on whom we will set the Feds next. We always settle the score, no matter how long it takes. Stop doing what you are doing, now.

One of the grave charges, invloving the evil attempt to crash http://www.scientology.org, could cost Metternick some years of his pitiful life. The other charge, conspiracy, should add a couple more years of prison time on this prison planet, or fines in Earth dollars.
27 months ago: Let's back look a little : News had it some months ago that Anonymous gang member Dmitryi Guzner confessed to charges of computer sabotage and attacks on Church websites, as well as consenting to pay $37,500 in restitution.

This had been a starting point of a series of legal losses for the Anonymous cyber terrorist gang [Ed. You say "and following irate reactions of their propagandists" Ed- This does not seem gramatical. It's not really clear what you are trying to say, here. Are you trying to say "and comes following", or "follows"?].

The Anonymous propaganda machine fired off an immediate press release on Guzner's troubles.

[ed. Not, "Guzners" as you had it. Use the possessive case.]

The ridiculous press release stated, irrelevantly, that Scientology doesn't care about whether homosexual people are allowed to marry or not. That's just a load of rubbish.
27 months ago: Gregg Housh

The next scoop in the pit of muck that constitutes the Anonymous hate machine dredged up Gregg Housh. Housh confessed at the Boston Municipal Court he was blatantly disturbing the peace and non-commercial religious services of the Church of Scientology in Boston. Housh had was the ringleader of a Anonymous rabble, all masked with Ku Klux Klan style Guy Fawkes masks, at an "international protest" of Anonymous in Boston.

Assistant District Attorney Devlin, gravely intoned the charges as follows:

"Docket # 0086676. Date of offense: February 10th, 2008. On this date the defendant, Gregg Housh, willfully disturbed and interrupted religious worship taking place inside the Church of Scientology located at that location. He also caused disturbance of the peace with the same conduct."
27 months ago: This exchange followed: [Ed. Look at your original work here. It was very badly written.]

JUDGE: Alright, a few moments ago sir the Assistant DA, Mr. Devlin, recited the facts of the case. Did you hear what he said the facts were?

HOUSH: Yes.
JUDGE: Do you admit those facts as being true?
HOUSH: Yes.
JUDGE: You admit to sufficient facts willingly, freely and voluntarily?
HOUSH: Yes.

To circumvent a sentence of up to one year of jail he agreed with a 12-month probation ending last week, 21 Oct 2009.

[Ed. You say "The court clerk information Housh at the end of the hearing that he "Please see probation, sir, before you leave the courthouse today.". " I wonder if he thinks twice now."
This does not make sense. If you seek that other people read your writing, you should at least read it yourself beforehand.]
27 months ago: Ed. "A disaster for the Anonymous, whose propagandists struggle to keep their personal army going." - This is not a proper sentence. The first part needs a verb. Your grammar is quite poor. Try to convey meaning accurately.]

On 23 October 2008, several new online identities are born to start a justification spree on the internet [Too much irony, online identity "Louane". Keep it to a minimum.], trying to explain that Anonymous should celebrate now that "the Judge was effectively dismissing the charges" against Housh - an obvious lie spread to keep the troop moral up.

[Word clear "moral" and "morale". If you are not writing in your first language, you should use a dictionary.]
27 months ago: In the case of Mr. Guzner they explain to the technically illiterate why it is not harmful to try to destroy computers one does not own, a claim that might be apparent only to those who do not own a computer or website. ["A claim that might be apparent? Of course it is apparent. Express what you mean more clearly.]

Donald Myers

The Anonymous propaganda machine however was speechless on the third [Item?] of Anonymous [Ed. Study the possessive case and use it.] bad news, Donald Myers. Mr. Myers, also known as "Angry Gay Pope", was given a restraining order that requires him to stay at least 50 yards away from a female Scientologist he stalked and harassed. The order also requires Myers to stay away from the L. Ron Hubbard Life Exhibition at the Church of Scientology International building in Hollywood where the victim works, and stay 50 yards away from the woman's home. The restraining order lasts for 3 years unless renewed. By the way, Myers is gay. He is not a pope.
27 months ago: Myers was found to have engaged in acts of harassment against the young woman, after video evidence was submitted to the court showing Myers stalking her, taunting her with sexual slurs, and refusing repeated requests to leave her alone. Myers was also ordered by the court to turn over any firearms in his possession to the police.

So, watch out, and quit it.
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This is better isn't it? There were more errors that I didn't flag. I think your main problems are carelessness and lack of thought. I've helped many Scientologists, so there's no reason why I can't help you. It's what Scientology is about. Remember, you will find it hard to be promoted to leader if you cannot take and learn from constructive criticism.
27 months ago: @ Jack H Remington

One interesting thing I've noted: The only places that are announcing anything about a "Brian Thomas Mettenbrink" are scientology held accounts on social networking sites.

I see no news media coverage, no courts cited, nada.

Compare that to the verified cases of Housh, Gunzer and AGP.

Given the timing of this, if one were cynical, one might come to the conclusion that this is (yet another) poorly thought out PR exercise.

Given the fallout due to Tommy being caught out lying, can the CoS seriously afford to continue to do so? Surely by repeatedly lying all they are doing is making themselves completely impossible to trust by the very people they wish to convert?
27 months ago: If by "Tommy being caught out lying" you mean Tommy Davis, principal Scientology spokesperson, being caught out lying, then it's no big deal. It just looks like lying to people who don't see the deeper reality that Scientology is senior to truth.

Trust can be managed with technology, Shalashar Dekeres. Do you see? Yes. Everybody trusts Scientology, because it is rational and not deceptive or vindictive.
27 months ago: <3<3<3 Jack H Remington... <3<3<3
27 months ago: "If by "Tommy being caught out lying" you mean Tommy Davis, principal Scientology spokesperson, being caught out lying, then it's no big deal."

Oh totally - high profile people leaving in disgust publicly (like Paul Haggis - Oscar winning Director) is almost a non issue.

"It just looks like lying to people who don't see the deeper reality that Scientology is senior to truth."

You guys are really screwed then ;)

"Trust can be managed with technology"

Easier to trust something that has been tested scientifically. Which, if Management had got off of their backsides and done would have completely negated even the possibility of the French trial ever taking place...

Any time frame on that do you know?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
27 months ago: The man broke the law and deserves what he got. No ones denies that. But to say that he "interrupted religious worship" is a lie.

Only people who have no knowledge of the facts within this CULT will believe this lie.

One fool does not invalidate the fact that Scientology is a bigger criminal, than this poor fool.

Scientology is retrogressing and losing all over the world.

WE Ex-Scientologists will see to that end.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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DeanFox
DeanFox
England
27 months ago: Louanne I think the Greg Housh case shows more flaws in the laws than it demonstrates justice, but then I would see it that way wouldn't I? No matter.

Louanne you make much of something that really isn't that big a deal, unlike the more recent French court judgement against the organisation calling itself the church of scientology and more to follow.

I'll leave the Grammar Nazism to Jack, a Scientology supporter from his own accounts but I will take issue with one aspect of this post.

Your statement "This had been a starting point of a series of legal losses for Anonymous and following irate reactions of their propagandists" demonstrates a clear failure to understand the Anonymous phenomenon.

Anonymous is not a group or organisation. It has no rules or members. The legal losses you speak of are those of individuals who are responsible for their own actions. Some of these are justified and others may not be. Anonymous does not care.

Anonymous is the idea that the organisation calling itself the church of scientology is damaging to society. It educates and acts through individuals. That some individuals have been inspired to break the law or have mistakenly broken the law serves only as a lesson to others in how to carry on the idea.

Hence despite the actions of a few Anonymous protests incur far fewer legal actions and arrests when compared to the protest actions of most protest groups. Look at Greenpeace, there protesters get in to far more trouble with the law. The police often commend our protesters for being so well behaved.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
27 months ago:
Jack Remington -

"If by "Tommy being caught out lying" you mean Tommy Davis, principal Scientology spokesperson, being caught out lying, then it's no big deal. It just looks like lying to people who don't see the deeper reality that Scientology is senior to truth."

Oh my!... where to begin with that?

Jack - BABY! You hit the nail right on the head. You are dead on target! You punched it, you socked it to the heart.

THIS IS WHY! Believers in Scientology think that any unethical act is ETHICAL when in the defense of Scientology.

How far would you go with this Jack, we know telling lies is OK, we can see that violence perpetrated by Scientology is OK. We see examples of theft being OK. Invasion of privacy, defamation, discrimination, sabotage, perjury, cruelty to animals - all fine if it's in defense of Scientology.

How far would you go Jack?

27 months ago: I take my cues from management, Mecca Anon, who lead by example.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
27 months ago:
"I was just following orders..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense

Jack; I really think you should search inside yourself on this matter. We are, all of us ultimately responsible for our own actions. Certainly you can and should emulate people whom you admire. However; you must always strive to BE a person whom others can admire and emulate. Otherwise you will simply become the pawn of someone else.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
27 months ago: Is that 4:0 as in enthusiasm or 4:0 as in a hockey game? If you are scoring it like a hockey game there are many things to consider. First, even the way you are scoring it is at least 4:1. One of the Scientologists in Halifax got arrested for assaulting an anonymouse. But the big thing that you are not counting is what happens to a cult when 400 people line the streets of my home town with picket signs denouncing Scientology and chanting? What happens when it is reported in newspapers, television and radio? Do the cult's stats go up? It seems unlikely. And judging by the very few people that still involve themselves in Scientology over here, the protests which have gone on for many years even preceding anonymous, have done a lot of good. One journalist this past Thursday noted that he was offered a tour of the cult's facility and it was mostly empty. I don't know where those 10,000,000 Scientologists are but they don't live here. Thank you anonymous.
27 months ago: This is fascinating. Louanne is completely incapable of handling the entheta (negative comments) being made here. She posts once and then never returns. Similarly, TerryEO, another cult apologist/public relations agent, has been seen very minimally with all the negative publicity in the news.

In time, they will attempt to return when the news pages are less filled with negative media. The sham press releases claiming "good deeds" will return, and they will cry again about the flawlessness of the cult and their "unparalleled growth".

They are ignorant of their own actions and history. Anonymous waits in eager anticipation, because we are anyone and everyone. For every one of us that falls, ten more shall take their place, for we are legion.

We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Expect us.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
27 months ago: By the way, why haven't Scientology's "OTs" managed to "handle" Anonymous AT ALL? Scientology OTs are supposed to have complete mastery over matter, energy, space and time (MEST).

I guess not!

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answer: they can't. They can only sue those that they can identify. Just like their latest victory- sueing a child peacefully protesting because he used the word "cult".

Oh, what brave heroes they are.

But is it really a victory? I mean, they can use the law and sue, but it only creates more enemies. They can force their way into countries that don't want them, but it only makes citizens that despise them. They can destroy a critic, but more appear in their place.

That's why I'm here, now. That's why more critical site appear almost daily. That's why my "scientology" google news alert sends me dozens of mocking or negative articles daily. They are losing, because they try to win.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
27 months ago: "One of the charges, the attempt to crash http://www.scientology.org, could cost him some years of his life. The other one, conspiracy, should add a couple of more years or fines"

These are scientologists, ladies and gentlemen. Because their website was down, they celebrate a young man losing years of his life. They will send this young man to a dangerous environment, by pressing charges, because he caused their web traffic to lessen.

Does that sound like the actions of a church? No- that is the action of a business, who loses money when their website is down. Churches turn the other cheek... scientology believes in the satanist philosophy: "And if a man smite you on one cheek, smash him on the other!"
26 months ago: 0/10

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