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Scientology succeeds - Anonymous fails

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I think we can all agree that you are reading an article on the internet, I think we can all agree that you are reading about Scientology, a religion. I think we can all agree that the hate group Anonymous will soon wither away from boredom and lack of purpose.

Nevertheless, some person or persons claiming to be Louanne Lee (http://www.rantrave.com/profile/louannelee.aspx) or Louanne (http://www.rantrave.com/profile/Louanne.aspx) have started posting on RantRave. Thus far, their posts do not contain a single word that is not part of a complaint, a negativity, a threat or a troll.

The worst thing is that they try to link this suppressive attitude to the practice of Scientology, attempting to hypnotize readers into negativity.

They drag the weak-minded and easily led into their negative and petty way of thinking, encouraging them to actually end up wrong-targeting volunteer philanthropy, attacking the words of L Ron Hubbard, attacking the exposers of psychiatric abuse, attacking the excitement, the possibilities, and the freedom of Scientology, repressing and suppressing, attacking the fun of Scientology with nasty little pettiness, playing into Anonymous's hands, and preserving Anonymous.

No wonder you don't find many Scientologists on the internet with these straight-jacketed little prison wardens stalking around.

Back to the good news.

The good news is that Anonymous has already failed in its quest to belittle Scientology because, inevitably, the technology of Scientology will ensure the disappearance of Anonymous.

Since the source of Anonymous has been identified as Big Pharma, Anonymous cannot persist. This follows from what L Ron Hubbard said in the Phoenix Lectures.

“In order to get an As-is-ness to persist it is absolutely necessary that is moment of creation be masked. Its moment, space, mass and energy, if duplicated would cause that to cease to exist. The recognition of As-is-ness will bring about a none-ness – a dissapearance. In other words a return to the basic postulate. You'd have to make the postulate all over again, and then, to get it to exist any further, why you would then have to go forward and change it in such a way that people would not actually be able to recognize its source at all. You have to thoroughly obscure the source to get a persistence. Be sure that you see that. You'd have to say it came from somewhere and someone other than the actual source. People have done this with such things as Dianetics.”

LRH further stated -

“Well, we know already that if we've run it permissively in the environment, he's had to point them out and walk around to them. He will obey orders. Now that we've got him to a point where he will physically obey commands we can trust him to close his eyes and spot spots or spot spaces or spot anything he wants to spot with his eyes closed. We just simply keep on spotting them, and that would be the most elementary process there is in Scientology.”

"If we were to carry a little black bag an a stethoscope (that's the Badge of Office – a little black bag and a stethoscope. One doesn't quite know what they do with the stethoscope but it's interesting. It won't even detect whether a person is dead or not. A stethoscope is actually a reactive dramatization of the Serpent of Caduceus) and we walk up to somebody and say, “My dear fellow I must inform you,” having tapped the stethoscope against his chest so he knows he's being hit by a snake, “I must inform you that we have just learned through this diagnosis that you only have three months to live.”

“If you ask a preclear for “some things you wouldn't mind agreeing with,” or “something that you could do that other people would agree with”, and so on, you'll notice a change in the case. Why? We're improving his level of agreement [ . . .] The worse off a group is, which is to say the less communication they have, actually the more communication can be forced on them, and you see a form of hypnotism there, but the interesting thing is that they must have been prepared by an enormous number of agreements before they got into that state. In other words, somebody else prepared them, so they didn't care who they agreed with after a while. When someone of higher rank in a uniform walks up to a soldier and says do something, the soldier will do it. Well, this is a form of hypnotism. You could get a group to agree first that you were simply standing there, and then the next thing that you could get them to agree to is the fact that they were listening to you, and then you would give them a few little things on which they would agree, and at some point you could tell them that the world was on fire and the audience would rush out to find out, or maybe they'd just sit there and burn..

Now what is this all about? Does that mean that anybody bringing about an agreement would bring about hypnotism? Oh, no.

The reason why, in Scientology, we do not bring about a hypnotism even in Open Procedure by Duplication, is that we are undoing the agreements which people have been making for seventy-six trillion years. We're undoing these, thus auditing makes a person freer, and freer, and freer.”

So, I think we can all agree that Anonymous probably won't persist for another three months. Meanwhile, the Orgs are booming at unprecedentedly exponential levels of expansion.

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33 months ago: Thank you for this. I totally agree. "Louanne" gets "her" jollies by trolling for hours and hours each day on message boards, spreading false data and pretending to be a Scientologist.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: I checked your name on the screen with a magnifying glass to make sure that someone, an anonymous member perhaps, wasn't playing a joke under a similar name to make Scientology look bad.

However, there is one point where we have some agreement. Anonymous has failed in its goals. Now Scientology has failed in its stated goals too, but Anonymous should have known better.

Scientologists are tough, in a cyclical way. One by one they realize their folly, EVEN AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL, EVEN AMONG THE OT8's, and drop off. But some new fanatic comes along to take his or her place. P.T. Barnum was right; a sucker is born every minute. After 55 years the cult is still there. Membership has gone up and down but there are still members. In Canada the cult has publicly claimed 200,000 members. Statistics Canada though, says that it has only 1525. Scientology says that it is growing in Canada. I have no way of knowing but I would be foolish to take their word for it. I have seen several Canadian cult offices and they are all but empty.

Scientology has withstood the FDA rulings, the conviction of L.Ron Hubbard, the jailing of his wife, Larry Wollersheim's and other lawsuits, the current verbal attacks by former executive, the death of L.Ron Hubbard, the Lisa McPherson Trust, waves of pickets about ten years ago, attacks by Time Magazine, attacks by a multitude of other newspapers and magazines all over the world, condemnations by judges and politicians all over the world, many TV documentaries and much more. It even withstood Steve Martin's movie Bowfinger, a brilliant satire. (MORE)
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: I can predict the future as well as any OT, better than most. The attacks from without will continue because Scientology deserves the attacks. Each attack produces a small effect but some of the effects snowball. If Scientology last long enough one of them will snowball into an avalanche and destroy the cult. This might not happen for 200 years. It might happen tomorrow.

On the other side, leading members of the cult are forever being brushed away or they leave on their own accord. Rank and file members leave not wanting to put up with the exorbitant payments or the cult management. The cult will implode. The leaders will take off with the money and the cult will dissolve into small factions much like what we now call the Freezone. When this happens there will be financial competition for services, and prices will drop for anyone foolish enough to try to rid themselves of body thetans. There will be no RPF. There will be no tax-deductible fixed donations. There will be no video cameras surrounding the “churches”. There will be no gang bang sec checks. There will be no ethics office. In short, the cult will no longer exist in its current form. (MORE)

Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: Anonymous was overly optimistic. They were young, enthusiastic and capricious. The student leaders have gone on to protest the next injustice, but they are now more knowledgeable about Scientology and will spread the word of what happens within the cult for the rest of their lives. They did some good and many continue to do good. People are still getting pamphlets and seeing the protest signs outside the local org, once a month, though it is from a smaller group. There are no longer articles or news items about Anonymous in the local media. In the absence of laws protecting citizens from groups like Scientology, knowledgeable people have to be watchful.
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
33 months ago: Frederick, good post. I think if there were any real need to Anonymous could rally the numbers we had last year but like you say there are other things to be done. The exscientologists and disconnected, etc, those who have a personal beef with scientology are enough to keep the pickets going until the whole cult crashes in. For many people their war with scientology will only be over when one of them is dead. There are a lot of those people and more all the time.

Jack Remington;
"The recognition of As-is-ness will bring about a none-ness"
How do you read that and not know the man was crazy?
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: Good point, Frederick. No one that openly evaluates scientology will every really "leave" it, in one way or another.

Me, for instance, I evaluated it years ago, and found the benefits (which can be replicated in most other, less expensive self-help groups) were far outweighed by the risks, as identified by policy and also ample anecdotal evidents, as discussed by prov in a previous thread.

But, I am forever affected by the experience. While many anonymous members have moved on to other causes (kind of shoots down the scientology concept that they're targeting them out of hate, doesn't it? If they move on to other worthy causes after making their point?), they will not forget what they've learned.

What's interesting is that out of the two groups, one has not used photoshop to make their numbers look larger ;)
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: A little help for Mr. Hubbard:

"...One doesn't quite know what they do with the stethoscope but it's interesting. It won't even detect whether a person is dead or not. A stethoscope is actually a reactive dramatization of the Serpent of Caduceus) and we walk up to somebody and say, “My dear fellow I must inform you,” having tapped the stethoscope against his chest so he knows he's being hit by a snake, “I must inform you that we have just learned through this diagnosis that you only have three months to live.” "

-The stethoscope (from Greek στηθοσκόπιο, of στήθος, stéthos - chest and σκοπή, skopé - examination) is an acoustic medical device for auscultation, or listening to the internal sounds of an animal body. It is often used to listen to heart sounds. It is also used to listen to intestines and blood flow in arteries and veins. Less commonly, "mechanic's stethoscopes" are used to listen to internal sounds made by machines, such as diagnosing a malfunctioning automobile engine by listening to the sounds of its internal parts. Stethoscopes can also be used to check scientific vacuum chambers for leaks, and for various other small-scale acoustic monitoring tasks.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
33 months ago: No matter what you say either way about this Godless and evil cult, it still will hook in the kind of people that want to be brain-washed and will defend the cult by killing or hurting you.

Your best bet is to use the websites of the news media to say way you feel and know about the cult, if you do have first-hand knowledge of it, by being an ex-scientologists, otherwise you are just making an un-informed opinion on a topic you know nothing about.

So therefore you will not have facts.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: That's an interesting point, Xenu- how an organized movement has affected scientology, but also assisted freedom fighters in Iran and other noble causes.
33 months ago: With regard to stethoscopes:
"It won't even detect whether a person is dead or not"-L Ron Hubbard

"It is often used to listen to heart sounds. It is also used to listen to intestines and blood flow in arteries and veins"-function of stethoscope.

So, the device is used to listen to heart sounds and other internal organs. Ergo, if one detects the absence of these sounds-ie. no heart beat, no lung movement, no blood flow, one CAN determine if the subject is dead.

So, L Ron Hubbard is not only completely uninformed on the most basic of medical instruments (knowledge I was personally in possession of from the age of 8), he is making flat out false statements. L Ron Hubbard continues to be a liar and con artist.

The mere fact that all replies in this thread, an over 24 hour period, have been either neutral or critical towards Scientology speaks volumes for how inaccurate the Rave is.
33 months ago: In itself, I suspect the stethoscope does nothing. It is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease, or for the improvement of health or any bodily function. It's just an instrument for hypnotic suggestion because it looks like a snake.

The E-meter is probably a better instrument for telling if a person is dead, provided you know their gender, since the resistance of a dead female body is 5,000 ohms and of a dead male body, 12,500 ohms. (LRH: The Book Introducing The E-Meter)
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: With regard to stethoscopes:
"It won't even detect whether a person is dead or not"-L Ron Hubbard

Actually this statement comes from Hubbard hearing of people being pronounced dead having had a doctor listen to their heart with a stethoscope and then later being found to be very much alive. The whole thing about people's heart and respiratory rates being so slow as to be "practically undetectable" was talked about for a while back then, along with "zombies", tetra-toxin and voodoo and Hubbard picked up on this. He deduced from this that stethoscopes cannot detect whether a person is dead or not.

Being nit picky stethoscopes don't detect anything, they simply amplify sounds. A heart rate monitor detects heart rate and translates them in to graphs and sounds, with an alarm for when nothing is detected. An EEG detects brain waves and does the same. With stethoscopes the detection is done with the human ear.

Hubbard was whacked, manipulative and totally self serving but in this instance he was right, just not for the right reasons, as was so often the case with Hubbard.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: Oh yeah, LouAnne's a strong, worthy opponent. Her support for scientology is always well argued and even though she's as mixed up as Terryeo it is sometimes difficult to come up with a counter - she is that good at forming her ripostes; the number of times I've face palmed and groaned - walked in to that one with LouAnne...

LouAnne is an asset to the organisation calling itself the church of scientology, which makes her one of the biggest threats to critics on the Internet because a regular person may just fall for her well crafted lines of logic. I hope she isn't that nice woman who Wise Beard Man fancies, although she could well be.

Question is, am I using reverse psychology....?

The rest of Jack's post is classic Scientology gobble-de-gook, that has the likes of Terryeo fooled. Terryeo doesn't post here because he knows he runs the risk of arguing with his beliefs, which would probably earn him a sound thrashing from David Miscavige - the diminutive leader of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology.
33 months ago: I am glad to have garnered some agreement on the failures of Anonymous. Beat that, Spam Louanne.

Dean Fox, since psychology is a questionable practice, I hope it is "reverse psychology" that you are using. Whatever it is, it can't be as bad.

What with the multiple "Louannes" and "Terryeos/Terrjeos", "Church of Scientology", "Scientologylover87" I have lost track of the spamsters. I have, historically, received much support from the original, real 'Terryeo", whom I very much doubt would be perturbed by the prospect of arguing his beliefs. However, when dealing with intransigent critics, sometimes the weather is the best topic.

The real Terryeo is not, If I recall his statements correctly, a staff member of the Church, and is hardly likely to be on the receiving end of a thrashing from any of the purged psychopaths like the Kingpin and the Fact-Checker.

When you call Mr Miscavige 'diminutive', you should stop and think whether you would deride Mahatma Gandhi thusly. A man should be judged by thetan, not by stature.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: We have another point of agreement Jack. Height is one of the things that we have the least control over. I would never make fun of someone because of their height nor do I think anyone should.

Would you take time to speculate on this, though? I assume that the Fact-Checker and the Kingpin are two of the former executives that verbally attacked Miscavige. How did they get so high up in an organization that claims to make people's sanity level far beyond normal? How did they stay there for so long? To me it seems like a contradiction in terms and further proof that Scientology can't do what it says it can do. Furthermore how come so many of the early clears have left the cult? Why have so many members of St. Hill been declared suppressive?

And just so you know, while I don't think it right to call Miscavige short, I also feel that it is not OK to sum up someone with a derogatory nickname, with rare exceptions.
33 months ago: Oh yah, I'm really getting into this Remmington character posing as an anonymous critic while snitting opposites.

Scientology is helpful stuff. It is words and those define ideas rarely confronted. And spell out method to explore ideas rarely confronted.

Example: Look up words you don't understand and then create some sentences, using them with that meaning. Why? Well, you see, because when you create something with knowledge, you gain use and understanding of that knowledge.

Real rocket science, isn't it?

Next week, maybe another idea, but for this week, students, simply look up words you don't understand. And then create sentences with those definitions. Generally, you're going to find you won't have to look that word up again. If you clear it up throughly, once.

Unlike certain critics who chant the same snippets over and over and over.
33 months ago: "Example: Look up words you don't understand and then create some sentences, using them with that meaning. Why? Well, you see, because when you create something with knowledge, you gain use and understanding of that knowledge. "

That's not Scientology. That concept predates Scientology, Dianetics, and L Ron Hubbard by hundreds of years. In fact, one could argue the concept dates back to the first dictionary. So Hubbard is a thief, and the Church of Scientology are frauds for selling the above for hundreds of dollars.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: regarding the sidebar about stethascopes,

I've had the pleasure of speaking to Mr. Wade Davis (look him up- and awesome man), and I would completely agree that stethascopes are NOT a magical device. It's true, they are only audio amplification devices, but still valuable medical instruments- that's my only point. I do suspect that Jack may be joking, however, as his statement that the stethascope "is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily function of anyone", he is nearly quotin the FDA warning for the e-meter, "The Electrometer is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily function of anyone and is for religious use by students and Ministers of the Church of Scientology only"

Terryeo- just because someone reaches a different conclusion does not mean that they are ignorant of word meanings.
33 months ago: "Scientology succeeds - Anonymous fails" !!
Tell me, jack, on what epiphany do you base this ridiculous statement?
$cientology is likely to be legally removed from France very shortly. The St Petersburg Times has dissected the cult with it's Truth Rundown. Anonymous has has major wins against the cult. Missions are closing down.
Membership is dwindling. Your cult's advertisements have all but vanished from the Internet.
So, please, are you so blinded by your abusive little poison dwarf that you believe all the bovine excrement that he is spouting?
Give us facts, jack........
33 months ago: "When someone of higher rank in a uniform walks up to a soldier and says do something, the soldier will do it."

And the same thing is happening in the cult.

But that is where the similarity ends. The soldier has the right to speak to his family, he receives a decent living wage, he may leave when his tour of duty is over, he is permitted to get competent legal assistance if he is accused of a misdemeanour and if found guilty, his punishment is fair and reasonable.
None of the above applies to $cilons - they don't even get minimum wage, they may not communicate with loved ones if they are not in the cult, they are summarily thrown into RPF at a whim, if they attempt to leave they are subjected to harassment. So who is hypnotised now?
33 months ago: "In itself, I suspect the stethoscope does nothing. It is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease, or for the improvement of health or any bodily function. It's just an instrument for hypnotic suggestion because it looks like a snake.

The E-meter is probably a better instrument for telling if a person is dead, provided you know their gender, since the resistance of a dead female body is 5,000 ohms and of a dead male body, 12,500 ohms. (LRH: The Book Introducing The E-Meter)"

So, now even the medical fraternity is suspect according to this bunch of morons.

And, was the resistance of dead humans tested on Lisa McPherson and other victims of $cientology? What a crock of sh!t.
The sad thing is that these $cilons actually believe this rubbish.
33 months ago: "When someone of higher rank in a uniform walks up to a soldier and says do something, the soldier will do it. Well, this is a form of hypnotism."

No, this is not hypnotism. This is obedience. It's not even in the same category as hypnotism.

Another thing to add to Provocateur's statement: A Soldier is allowed to question and refuse to follow unlawful orders. They are protected from the abuse of rank by their superiors. The leader has a lawful obligation to see to the welfare of their subordinates, something that does not exist in ANY WAY with the SeaOrg (which is modeled poorly after the US Navy, to the point where it should be sued for infringement :D).

So really, this mention of Soldiers, uniforms, rank...it only further serves to highlight the failures of the Church of Scientology and the SeaOrg.
33 months ago: Anonymous has failed has it?

Did you know that Scientologys financial records are available for the public?

Did you know that they've not made a dime of profit since 2004? And that their losses year on year have grown steadily worse?

Will Anonymous crack Scientology? Possibly not, then again, it doesn't have to. By simply making the public aware of the very real abuses conducted by the CoS, they are laying the foundations for the "church" to collapse on its own.

Undermining something as vast as Scientology is not a quick thing, it takes patience and stamina. Yes, some people have left to do other things, but many have also joined. One Anon can, on his or her own shut down a Scientology Org. Even "Ideal" Orgs.

Without Anonymous, large media outlets would have remained silent on the topic of Scientology. Who would have expected the likes of the SP times article even two years ago? Or the BBC's Panorama documentary?

Every time you produce a new PR piece, it is countered. Every time you go on the attack, you are made to look utterly out of touch with reality (See the Freedom Magazine special). It really is amazing to watch your PR folk only open their mouths long enough to ram in another foot.

Anonymous started off with Scientology, but it's model will no doubt be used by other groups as a means to protest their particular complaints. Failed? You ain't seen nothing yet!
33 months ago: @terryeo -"Oh yah, I'm really getting into this Remmington character posing as an anonymous critic while snitting opposites."
You talk about understanding words..... I have just been on Wikipedia. The words "snit, snitting" do not exist as words (except for syntax in a programming language). Sadly, thankfully, Wikipedia does not have $cilonese as a language, so terryeo fails again.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: I was about to respond, but anon voice covered it :)
A soldier is not only allowed to refuse unlawful orders, but is obligated to do so. If a superior officer tells a soldier to do something that is unlawful or immoral, that soldier should not (and hopefully would not) do it.

33 months ago: Scientologists you are not prepared for what is to come.

Anonymous actually did serve a much greater purpose than most people realize. They as the heralds summoning the Alien Invasion that L. Ron feared.

Scientologists are the only ones who will attend this battle. Humanity will be fun, and left unscathed. Scientology shall be the only casualty.
xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
33 months ago: You're so good at this, I'm kind of inspired to give it a shot myself. I once roped in a response from a long time critic of Scientology by posting a pretty good imitation of one.

You have many people admiring your facility with Hubbonics!
33 months ago: Frederick, you say "How did they get so high up in an organization that claims to make people's sanity level far beyond normal? How did they stay there for so long?" and "Furthermore how come so many of the early clears have left the cult? Why have so many members of St. Hill been declared suppressive?"

Let me answer your questions with some questions, if you will. How did Benedict Arnold become a turncoat? How did Hitler get to lead Germany? How did Stalin get to lead the USSR? How did bad Popes get appointed? How did Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames get where they got to? All suppressive persons, just like all the SPs in Scientology.

Provocateur "Scientology succeeds - Anonymous fails" because that is their individual nature.

Tuatha, I doubt what you say.
33 months ago: Terryeo, if you are the same Terryeo who came sniping invective into my last posting, before disappearing without replying, I repeat for your benefit -

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"Terryeo, I'd be interested if you could spell out your specific arguments, so I can resolve them for you, if they exist.

You say you 'wouldn't be surprised' if I were a shrink. I'm not responsible for the vast number of things that probably 'wouldn't surprise you'. There's not really a worse insult than the off-handed shrink one, but I'll give you the opportunity to explain it.

Then you accuse me of 'reacting against good opinion'. It's news to me that you have been appointed the arbiter of 'good opinion' for me.

I'm criticizing a psych who went into a Church with a pre-conceived opinion and proceeded to see only what he chose to see and ignored his own personality. The Fiddler's blog is EXACTLY the same mentality behind the so called 'Anderson Report'.

If you can't recognize that, I will explain the Australian Psych-backed, convict-inspired, 'Anderson Report' to you. If you can, I will accept your apology.

Are you really writing in approval of the Fiddler when you say I am against good opinion?

Speak your mind. I won't be calling you a psych for it. "

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Also, where do you get off with sarcastically calling LRH technology "rocket science", as if anyone could have just dreamed it up? Well, if they could have worked it out for themselves without LRH, they would have. You'd be better off just telling Anonymous about the weather, instead of dissing and minimizing Study Tech with mixed-tenses, misused words and non-sentences. Can we agree on that?
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: "Let me answer your questions with some questions, if you will. How did Benedict Arnold become a turncoat? How did Hitler get to lead Germany? How did Stalin get to lead the USSR? How did bad Popes get appointed? How did Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames get where they got to? All suppressive persons, just like all the SPs in Scientology. "

Except, Jack, The Colonial Government, Germans and the FBI never claimed to be able to detect and handle SP's.
33 months ago: Hence Hitler, Mark Tomles. We live and learn.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: Jack said, "How did Benedict Arnold become a turncoat? How did Hitler get to lead Germany? How did Stalin get to lead the USSR? How did bad Popes get appointed? How did Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames get where they got to? All suppressive persons, just like all the SPs in Scientology."

Jack, you skipped a part. We all know how those people got power. But they weren't involved in organzitions that made people supersane.

"...a clear is to the contemporary norm as the contemporary norm is to a contenporary institutional case." L.Ron said that. Mix in a little of Hubbard's "man is good" and you get a credible governing body, not the violent suppressives that were there and that no one would remove for a long time.

Yours is not a reasonable comparison. You don't factor in clear. Of course, if clear is not what Hubbard says it is, it all falls into place. If OT's don't really exist it all falls into place. If Scientology does not do what it claims to do, it all falls into place.
33 months ago: Indeed, Frederick, you can be sure that these SPs never were Clear, because SP's don't get case gain.
33 months ago: "Indeed, Frederick, you can be sure that these SPs never were Clear, because SP's don't get case gain."

Given the fact that Anonymous didn't suddenly cease to exist when the protests began. I would suggest that the states of both Clear and OT are in severe doubt.

Certainly no Scientologist has come forth to prove the claims.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
33 months ago: "where do you get off with sarcastically calling LRH technology "rocket science", as if anyone could have just dreamed it up?"

This "dream it up" part is completely true, the Big fat Ron obnosed (observed) physiological reactions of the human body and mind and from these laws of Nature created a false religion.

He did not invent what God already created, but used it to make money and control people.

LRH was a great mind, but not a great man. He stole God's laws and lied to the world.

You Ronbots have no power to obnose the truth of the lies, scams and frauds in $cientology.

You are too weak mentally to handle it.

Ron wanted to be a GOD and just recently you Ronbots tried to make him a saint and the world ridiculed you.

All the Tech is based upon these laws of Nature.

This was Ron's greatest lie.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: Jack, it should be easy to test people to see if they are clear or OT. You see if they have perfect memory, 20/20 vision, no colds, no arthritis, and no dermatitis, allergies, bursitis, ulcers, sinusitis, colds, high blood pressure, diarrhea (Hubbard’s spelling), sinusitis, liver trouble, kidney trouble, running sores or any sore that refuses to heal. Do I have to go through the rest of the book to give you more characteristics? Really, a blood pressure test, which can be done for a dollar at most drug stores would knock out 25% of people claiming to be clear. Checking their vision would knock out another 25%. Checking their ability to memorize a long passage of poetry would knock out all the rest. I don't think Scientology tests well enough for clear, primarily because there are no clears but also because Scientology wants people to have some increment of success or they will leave and because Scientology wants to get them onto the more expensive processes later on.

What would be easier-- to make up a credible test or to have the embarrassment of no-case-gain-clears rising into the executive. May I also point out that they rise into the executive with great number? The no-case-gainers seem more able than your powerful OT's.

Jack, allow me a digression. There used to be a TV show called Lost in Space with a robot on it. Every time the robot couldn't figure out something it would wave its arms and scream, "Does not compute, does not compute." That is how I see some of the Scientologists that post here. (MORE)
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
33 months ago: I (obviously) don't know your situation. Some people here think that you are a critic like me planting information to make Scientologists look bad. I think you might be married to a Scientologist, have family who are Scientologists and have close friends who are Scientologists. You might have burned all your bridges when you entered the cult. Maybe your parents no longer talk to you. I can see why it might be difficult to leave. And on the other hand you may have sold your house to pay for courses. Admitting your mistakes by leaving would simply be too painful.

There are people at the local org who know that Scientology is a scam but can't leave. I know this because they communicate irregularly with a local critic, about their situation and about the situation within the org.

I don't expect that from you. But, for goodness sake stop and think a minute. In Scientology they tell you that you should not evaluate for other people. This, of course, is ridiculous and I am going to do some evaluating for you. Your world view, as you represent it, makes no sense. You would do well to post less, read more, and stop assuming that everything L.Ron Hubbard wrote and said is truth.
33 months ago: Tuatha - "Anonymous actually did serve a much greater purpose than most people realize."
Anonymous does serve a great purpose, not did! We are here, we are now and we are legion.
When $cientology is history, we will still be here, looking for the next great cause.

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