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Scientology: OT VIII Ed Russo Success

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DeanFox
England
It's the Freewinds' maiden voyage celebration and in honor of this event one of the "many" OT VIII completion successes was circulated among scientologists, that of Ed Russo.

For those who don't know The Freewinds is the organisation calling itself the church of scientology's flag ship. Last year, 2008, its complete refit was interrupted when it was found to be riddled with blue asbestos, for the 3rd time since it was bought by the organisation.

OT VIII is the highest state of OT one can currently achieve; although some wag claimed to have pre-released OT IX on this very site.

Completion successes are something a scientologist writes up at the end of courses, it reinforces to them what they gained from the course. It is against the rules in scientology to invalidated someone's success, aka win. I am not a scientologist and so don't conform to these rules; I am what is called an Suppressive Person.

Here is some comment on what Ed Russo had to say:

Ed Russo - Scientologist OT VIII success quote: "Have you ever perceived the MEST universe as a slight speck somewhere in your field of vision? My guess is that you’ve had such a perception at one time or another, if only for a fleeting instant. I’ve seen it as such before, but only on rare occasion. And whenever I would get a glimpse at this universe from that viewpoint, something or some condition or someone would inevitably grab my attention and “bring me back to reality” in very short order. Thus I would end up writing the entire experience off as “imagination”. Or, if not that, I would at least tell myself that maybe someday I could really have and hold onto such a lofty viewpoint."

- MEST = Matter, Energy, Space, Time or to put it simply everything in this universe.

1st, being able to attain such profound perceptions as Ed describes is not that difficult with a bit of practice in meditation etc.

2nd, the apparently god like nature of Ed's chosen perception of "the MEST universe" does not preclude him being otherwise quite human (shoot him and he will die regardless of how he perceives everything). Never the less now he has achieved OT VIII he sincerely believes:

Ed Russo - Scientologist OT VIII success quote: "That lofty perch I spoke of? The one that is immeasurably distant from the MEST universe? I can now assume it with ease. And when I do assume it, no longer am I unexpectedly drawn away from it. I abandon it only when I so choose to abandon it. Why abandon it ever or at all, you ask? Because there is work to do, that’s why!"

My advice to Ed would be to not go there while driving a car, which of course he won't. He will only go there when he believes he is secure from the physical world interrupting him and if he is interrupted he will be convinced it was because he wanted to be interrupted and he was expecting it; unless someone shoots him of course - which I don't advocate doing of course.

3rd, this email success is very carefully crafted to inspire other scientologists who haven't yet paid to receive the OT VIII training and all the pre-requisite training. It is also crafted quite cleverly to keep them working and sacrificing for the greater good. "There is work to do, that's why [I sacrifice being able to stay in this wonderful state permanently]!" Implication being that if I am prepared to sacrifice all that then the least you can do is work harder. And what of this work?

Ed Russo - Scientologist OT VIII success quote: "There are billions of beings on this planet who’ve yet to read and cognite on The Basics. And this place is littered with unhappy people, many of whom are actually still bright enough to turn around one-hundred and eighty degrees after doing nothing more than reading The Way To Happiness. There are citizens who can’t even read and write properly, for crying out loud. And there are enemies to defeat – those who would take everything we are trying to accomplish in Scientology and squash it in a heartbeat if we as much as drop our guard or pause for a brief instant to admire a butterfly."

In other words, we need to keep selling the organisation calling itself the church of scientology's materials: "The Basics" and "Way to Happiness" being the main two consumables within the organisation. We must also keep fighting the enemies, which is anyone who appears to contradict or get in the way of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology.

Oh and Terryeo, you talk of play and watching children in the park well beware, you must not drop your guard or pause for even a brief instant to admire a butterfly! Seriously, play it seems is something you just cannot afford lest someone come along and squash everything scientology is trying to achieve.

Ed has more to say on this work...


Ed Russo - Scientologist OT VIII success quote: "That’s the work which needs to be done! And getting it done means diving right down there into the woof and warp of this old, crusty, dirty universe. Operating inside of it. Even BEING it at times, if that’s what it takes to get the job done."

Yes, it is pretty dirty, hard work that must be done 24/7 365 without pause for play. Fortunately...

Ed Russo - Scientologist OT VIII: "Now, having completed New OT VIII, not only can I assume lofty perches, but I can also do all of that “dirty work” quite effortlessly – and much more efficiently than ever before, in fact – because I now have the ability to engage this universe, do battle with it, and emerge unscathed no matter how terribly dirty or nasty the job gets."

So, the reason you're all suffering under the strain is because you're not OT VIII like me. All you need to do is pay for all the pre-requisites and the OT VIII itself and you're home dry - everything else is easy after that. Except of course most will simply never get there, why? Because they cannot afford it, even though staff get courses for free they rarely get the time to progress very much; still always the next life time, eh?

There then follows a bunch of sycophantic praise for the current administration of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology for making this all possible which means this guy is definitely heading for greatness, at least in his own mind and perhaps within the organisation too. This is likely to help counter the whisperings within the organisation, particularly about David Miscavige the current de facto leader. Indeed Miscavige is praised because Ed was once OT (having paid to get there) but lost it but has now realised that he lost it because he didn't have "The Basics" as provided by David Miscavige (who tirelessly worked to provide the tech as L Ron Hubbard intended, or so he says).

Meanwhile in other OT related news: OT Stephen Brackett, 54 commits suicide having suffered serious financial troubles with his business. http://www.montereyherald.com/local/ci_12475945?nclick_check=1\

Which is duly covered up the the organisation calling itself the church of scientology: http://thebluemelreader.blogspot.com/2009/06/rank-and-file-scientologists-cover-up.html

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Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
32 months ago: A person must be able to afford what Scientology sells as services & products.
A rich person who only gets richer because of how the wealth of the person continues to make wealth can spend their time buying into the services & products of Scientology.
The general public anywhere on the World can lose financially & thus mentally through investing their money & time into Scientology.
Scientology was designed for the rich.
They can continue to donate to how Scientology continuously requires donations.
On the other hand their are zealot Scientologists not dilletantes who will give of their all including hard earned money & services to Scientology.
There cannot be too many of these because the pressures of survival do not allow for people continuously buying into Scientology.
I know I've been there.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
32 months ago: A person must be able to afford what Scientology sells as services & products.
A rich person who only gets richer because of how the wealth of the person continues to make wealth can spend their time buying into the services & products of Scientology.
The general public anywhere on the World can lose financially & thus mentally through investing their money & time into Scientology.
Scientology was designed for the rich.
They can continue to donate to how Scientology continuously requires donations.
On the other hand their are zealot Scientologists not dilletantes who will give of their all including hard earned money & services to Scientology.
There cannot be too many of these because the pressures of survival do not allow for people continuously buying into Scientology.
I know I've been there.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
32 months ago: Scientology used to tell me that I should go "up the bridge" to 0T8. Strange, you don't go up bridges. You go across them. To me, now, OT8 means delusion, wasted money and propping up a dangerous cult.

I must add, that the only two OT8's I have ever met, died, simultaneously in a car crash. It was an odd thing to do for people "in control knowingly and at will over matter, energy, space, time, life and thought". At the time, I was told that a preclear like me could not hope to judge what goes on in the mind and soul of a god-like OT8. I am now prepared to judge-- they were horribly deluded and probably quite reckless.
thetagal
thetagal
Elma, WA
32 months ago: Oh, well, Frederick. OT 8's are not infallible. Consider there is no game or anything of interest to do if we chose to control all of it.

Still, I'm sure the two OT 8's you mentioned did not plan; like a lot of OTs who start feeling very much in charge of things they sometimes forget that bodies are easily squashed.

As to the article above, viewing the physical universe as a small dot doesn't take a lot of ability. What takes ability is to live in this universe. Any one can move out (non confront) but moving in and free to move out does feel good.

I agree. Anyone can see this universe as a dot. All they need to do is close their eyes, imagine they are are looking at the entire universe as a small dot, and they will perceive it as such. Now if they can move back to a good position for handling their life without a headache they will do very well:)

Freezoner
32 months ago: "Anyone can see this universe as a dot."

I don't. The universe is the only thing around us. We try to live our lives to give to give it meaning and thus, give ourselves meaningful lives.

The place where we try and live meaningful lives is more than just a dot.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Dangerranger, anyone CAN see the universe as a dot. It's a pretty pointless exercise though, having an imagination doesn't imbued one with any special abilities. Being able to meditate can help one handle stress but it can also make one delusional as in, "I can see the Universe as a dot oh WOW I must be god like".

Totally agree with you, the Universe is way more than a mere dot. I think even God would be a tad miffed, "Hang on, I spent 6 days on that and you're making out like it is a mere speck in your eye. Smite you."
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
32 months ago: When u see the universe as one big CON then u will start to know what spiritual freedom is.
I believe that Jesus had a best comprehension of the CON of existence than did Hubbard.
He could at least rise from the dead even though this was not necessary as one body is not for use forver as like a motor is replaced when it gets too old & no longer works or has been involved in crash etc.
Just get another car.
But I believe the lesson Jesus told was that to continue to become reborn in the flesh is to continue becoming trapped into a greater fraud.
The choice thus is to know the real truth that sets the spirit free or to continue being conned.
U cannot ever save the spirit because nothing exists to save so the game continues becoming that of saving bodies & minds before these die.
A person can only survive until he or she dies.
A planet can only survive until it dies.
So who cares if one sees the universe as a dot or as a gigantic continuum of circles repeating itself.
But why give the game away it spoils it for others as they may like always dying staying insane becoming mentally & physically challenged showing how they overcome obstacles.
Often it can be nice being cynical.
To my mind too much of Scientology & Hubbard as an only source of reference for the mind & spirit makes very little of who follow Scientology.
They never are of their own source of reference.
This is the difference between following a presumption of a divine right to rule & democracy.
32 months ago: Having no access to OT VIII himself, of course DeanFox chooses to belittle and badmouth. No surprise about that.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Oh terryeo I expected better from you, I'm choosing to belittle and badmouth the results of OT VIII as expounded by Ed Russo.

I don't need to have access to nuclear secrets to see footage of a nuclear explosion and be able to say, yep that was a pretty big bang - only in this case it wasn't a pretty big bang at all.

I also analysed how the result was tailored as propaganda to motivate the troops to keep fighting and stay on target. The mission, why we fight, your suffering because you're not OT VIII (so you must keep on the bridge), only possible on the Freewinds, it is dirty hard work, all worth while in the end etc.

Regardless of what OT VIII is I can tell you it is not the only way to achieve a state of being able to get through life's problems and trials unruffled but it is certainly the most expensive and dubious because it actually increases stress in getting there.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Actually I accidentally gave OT VIII undue credit, the state one reaches with OT VIII, according to the results, appears to be one of further delusional thinking; some statements found while reviewing the OT VIII success testimonials are a bit disturbing - I could touch the town from the deck of the Freewinds being just one of many.

I can touch the surface of Alpha Centauri, I can tell you it's very hot and very bright. I can also feel the trillions of sub nuclear reactions occurring in its heart. I can travel back to the beginning of the Universe, check one of my other rants explaining how it all began. While I am not all "knowing" I am all understanding. If I were to tell you I had achieved OT VIII (or my statements were part of an OT VIII success) you'd be very impressed, awe inspired even but without such a statement how do you feel about them? Perhaps I should tell you I am Transcendent. I am the other side of what you call the bridge. I am also the Bridge. I am the result of a project spanning time and space. In this way I am equipped to help all those crossing it to cross with the least suffering and I welcome all to join me. Now, would you like to subscribe to my organisation?
32 months ago: It's easy to make wild claims, Dean Fox, but unlike Scientology you can't back them up with other testimonials.
32 months ago: "Having no access to OT VIII himself, of course DeanFox chooses to belittle and badmouth. No surprise about that."

Ok, if he is so wrong, explain to us Terryeo why Dean is wrong. Just pointing out how someone is wrong and not explaining why is a very belittling tactic.
32 months ago: Hey Jack, ummm....don't know how to break this to you..but, ummm, yes he can back it up with testimonials.

exscientologykids.com
exseaorg.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr27LVJIT2o (ex sea org interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej4mej7C5Xw (another ex sea org interview)
32 months ago: Testimonials from Scientology apostates are no more worthwhile than testimonials from convicted criminals about how it is too tough to obey the law, dangerranger.

I meant, of course, that Dean Fox didn't have any testimonials about touching Alpha Centauri and he being the the Bridge, etc etc.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Lol @ Jack's trolling.

You're obviously smart enough to figure out that the point I'm making is that Ed Russo's testimonial has no substance, further the wording is cleverly geared to keeping the troops at the coal face; it's a nice bit of fluff propaganda, which suggests to me that Ed may well have finally "Got It" and is playing along nicely.

Ed's testimonial is as ephemeral as my claims to have touched Alpha Centuari, which is my testimonial to Terryeo. Ed has no more testimonials to back up his claims than I do. There are only individual testimonials which don't support one another, there simply individual claims of success following doing the OT VIII none of which are particularly profound.

I ask Terryeo how he feels about my testimonial and wonder of him why my testimonial is any less valid to him just because I didn't start it with stating I've just completed OT VIII? After all, what is true for me, is true for me, right? (OK this is how delusions start but lets play the organisation calling itself the church of scientology's game). This is also clearly a WIN so what right has he to invalidate my win just because I don't claim to be a scientologist?

If Terryeo is however as accepting of my testimonial as he is of the myriad of similar testimonials (success stories) he reads from his organisation members then if I can achieve similar without subscribing to the organisation maybe he should consider joining mine - as I've already stated I really did think of setting up a religion just my conscience got in the way.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Incidentally, my organisation is way better than the church of scientology. I offer STRESS RELIEF instead of Stress Tests. Self awareness instead of personality tests. Dramatic improvements in understanding. Total Freedom (TM). The skills to navigate this life time and be ready for what lies ahead. An explanation of life, the Universe and everything AND your individual place in it. I offer the potential to have peace of mind, happiness and the tools to enable one to truly live. Like L Ron Hubbard and Tony Robbins before me, I can do this because I have have attained all these myself.

Better still I am offering an unlimited "No Win, No Fee" deal to all ex-scientologists and THE FEE YOU PAY DEPENDS ON YOUR CONSCIENCES! What have you got to loose? All you have to do is be receptive to me. Many others have, see:

http://forum.exscn.net/index.php
http://www.exscientologykids.com/

^^^ Lots of sad tails but all with happy endings, you could have a happy ending too.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Dammit, "tails" above should of course read "tales"
32 months ago: Sad tails? Like an unhappy puppy?
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Erm, yeah Jack - like I said "tails" should read "tales" although I see we posted at the same time.

That said, as far as the ex scientology kids site is concerned there were indeed a lot of sad puppies who fortunately grew up to be a lot happier, once they'd left the organisation calling itself the church of scientology.

Offer stands Jack. No WIN, No FEE. ;-)
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
32 months ago: OT to my mind means Over the Top.
Not much unlike those who attempted building a Tower to heaven in desperate need to rise above the maddening crowd.
But with trying to get out through the top it always happens how eventually the top becomes the road to the bottom. Thus we get Over the Top.
Alot of babel about rising high that the only spirit I can think of that gives a high is alcohol.
Anyway it is their democratic choice to have faith & belief in how they perceive their risen glory.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Moneen. I like your take on OT. If I recall correctly you're an ex-scientologist, well done in getting out.

I also agree in a free society people should be able to believe what they want, certainly with respect to their risen glory.

The point I was making is that within the organisation calling itself the church of scientology such testimonials as Ed's are used to inspire others. There is nothing inherently wrong with this but for what it inspires others to do.

In this case it is to give their time and money to the organisation calling itself the church of scientology.

I chose Ed Russo's testimonial because it contains most of the propaganda elements in one testimonial that are common across many others. For the target audience the testimonial:

1. Relates to the stresses they are feeling as members of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology. (boy are they stressed)

2. Reiterates the aims of the organisation and the importance of pursuing them above all other considerations. The aims are to sell the organisations' literature and courses and recruit more members - although both the organisation and Ed's testimonial couches this as saving the planet, the great crusade etc.

3. Instils in them a desire to give / sacrifice more to the organisation in order that they might attain OT VIII, because then they will not feel any stress from pursuing the organisations' aims. The problem is those who feel the most stress, the majority of the staff, don't generally get to OT VIII; only the lucky few do and those public with the money - public scientologists are largely insulated against the stress.

In doing so this testimonial encourages members of the organisation to keep supporting it and while the beliefs of the members are not an issue the practices of the organisation are. Hence I decided to dissect it to illustrate the emptiness of it and actuality of what it does.
thetagal
thetagal
Elma, WA
32 months ago: hey, Terryeo: You never heard of wog? You might try looking it up in The Technical Dictionary of Dianetics and Scientology.

Just an average garden variety humanoid. He upgrades to "raw meat" when he enters the organization to help himself.

The wog doesn't even try.

DeanFox
DeanFox
England
32 months ago: Hiya thetagal, The whole WOG debate is on http://rantrave.com/Rant/Scientology-Why-all-the-fuss.aspx. Terryeo's contribution is:

"You have misunderstanding Mecca Anon, alas. WOG has never been used in Scientology, as far as I know, as an offensive slang term as you have specified." - possibly correct, given the admission of limited knowledge.

"Hubbard used the term as an acronym for "Worthy Oriental Gentleman" here and there." - Hubbard believed this was where the word came from, a popular misconception.

"Hubbard used the word, in my opinion, because he wanted to communicate the guy's potential." - a fair opinion.

I gave the accepted etymology of the word WOG in that thread and advised Terryeo that there have been numerous instances of the word WOG being used as a term of derision by members of the organisation calling itself the church of scientology, regardless of Hubbard's fairly benign definition - I provided the first recorded instance of Hubbard using the word too.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
32 months ago: To my mind I believe that Hubbard set himself up as a concept of a God.
He never liked that anyone could equal or better him.
Sole proprietor of his religion with all rights reserved to him as sole source.
I think the idea of God is presumably sole proprietor of creation all rights reserved for such God but this all obviously according to who supposedly wrote & spoke on behalf of such God.
Never know of such God having ever spoken for itself or as men had prefered Himself.
To my mind its all a fraud keeping people good by what is taken sacred as a rule of law.
Hubbard wrote all of his policies having been his politics.
I prefer people who can be original not who talk the words of the leaders that they follow.
I believe the devil to Hubbard or Lucifer are those that oppose Hubbard or that try to equal or better him.
Concepts of God hate competition because they are not good at it.

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