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Truthbrary (b)Log... Earth-date Saturday, August, 20 20011... in this post I will reveal how the Woolly Mammoth was quick frozen without drowning... and also my full name, encase I get a "happy meal" for the discovery of the very key that unlocks a mystery buried for centuries. My name is Richard Abram Rosenberger of little or no education... this is my story, and I am sticking to it !:]

In the News today... 'Reindeer Herder Finds Baby Mammoth in Russia Arctic... Arctic ice kept the extinct specimen so immaculately preserved that although her shaggy coat was gone, her skin and internal organs were intact."
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/1...

I have always been equally fascinated with science and mystery... and it would seem that the two are opposed to each other, but most often mystery leads to discovery... and verified is established science. The mystery about the quick-frozen Mammoth has always intrigued me, because of it's apparent impossible existence. How can one freeze such a large animal without it's insides decaying? And if it were possible to freeze such an animal, it would be impossible to do so with an atmospheric event... taken that the surrounding mud, water and debris that it was encased in, would "insulate" the very thing to be frozen. It was this conundrum that caused me to consider the ground instead of the atmosphere for the key to this cryogenic anomaly.

I came across a story in Popular Mechanics July 1928 titled "Ice from and Oil Well; where in Northern Colorado drillers hit a CO2 Gas pocket that froze up their drilling rig and derrick (pg 43-44)... and it got me searching for similar events in the Northern tundra of Siberia where these Mammoths were found. I didn't find a CO2 event (which isn't cold enough to freeze a Mammoth anyway) ...but it did reveal an article from Popular Science April 1997 titled "Frozen Fuel" talking about the existence of "gas hydrates" ...encapsulated Methane, which is in enormous supply in areas that the Mammoths were found. And like liquid Nitrogen; liquid Methane fits the cryogenic profile that could quick freeze such a large animal, with a Boiling point of -161.6 °C
...now all we need is a "Cryovolcano!"

In an area rich in gas hydrates... all we would need is a geological event that would turn an area lush in vegetation into a frozen prison in minutes... facts prove that Mammoths were frozen with vegetation in their mouths and stomachs... and that their area was also filled with trees, not as it is now a barren tundra. I must say a global flood would shed some light on this mystery... however a flood alone could not explain how a Mammoth could be quick-frozen, quite the opposite... the freezing process would be too slow... however a geological event moving tectonic plates could cause both a global flood, and a Cryovolcano! Most of the Mammoths were found standing and suffocated... some drowned. These animals were found with wide-eyes and nostrils flared and dying for oxygen... this could fit the profile of an area where the ground was cracked and CO2 and Liquid Methane rapidly escaped causing a Cryovolcanic event...
quick freezing everything in it's frigid path.

Mud, water, and Liquid Methane as a massive gas hydrate exposure could be the answer to one of the oldest mysteries to be solved. As a mixture of water and gas hydrates (Methane and water) lower water's freezing point below -100 °C freezing a Mammoth is more than possible, even before drowning. Suffocation is the cause of death of most of these Mammoths, and it came on them quickly without alarming them... similarly to those trapped in Pompeii's volcanic ash. When we see the profiles of cryovolcanoes on other planets or moons, it is easier to see how this too can be a possibility on our Earth... and the formation of massive glacial deposits in these polar regions. Who knew that the key to unlocking the mystery of the "Quick-Frozen Mammoth" would be discovered through a space study of Titan...
and if you will... a "Clash of the Titans!"

http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thre...
http://books.google.ca/books?id=gm6_P0yE...
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jcarro...
http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/Encyc...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:LVQHPLENx5sJ:www.wesleygrovechapel.com/upload/Frozen%...
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/...
http://astrobioloblog.wordpress.com/2011...
http://geology.com/articles/active-volca...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassin...

UPDATE - 9 months ago
"Gas hydrates, ice-like deposits of water and natural gas, are located deep under water where cold temperatures and extreme pressure causes natural gas to condense into semisolid form. As BP found to its chagrin earlier this year, methane hydrates aren't a good thing when you are trying to lower a containment cap over a runaway oil well in water nearly a mile deep."
http://www.thegwpf.org/energy-news/1909-...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
"Methane generated at shallow depths ( 80° –150° C, R0 max > 0.50–2.0% and metagenetic: > 150° –200° C, R0 max > 2.0–4.0%). Though most of the gas generated during early stages of coalification generally escapes into the atmosphere through the exposed peat or due to low hydrostatic pressure, some amount can accumulate under certain specific geologic conditions like rapid subsidence and burial, and thus may get trapped in shallow reservoirs."
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/jun25/artic...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
My theory is that a "cryovolcanic" event happened when massive tectonic plate disruption happened during the global flood. A massive disturbance of subterranean natural gas mixed other elements caused liquid methane to explode out and rain down on certain certain areas. Over-flowing amounts of this liquid natural gas "mud" overflowed onto the land, with suffocating gas, and freezing every living creature in it's path. This may have been the beginning of the "Ice Age's" rapid appearance on Earth. Escaping methane gas was later released into the atmosphere, warming the globe for glacial melting. Evidence for a global deluge is seen in the trapped reservoirs of gas hydrates in the Northern Sea floors when the "methane or natural gas – is trapped by high pressures and low temperatures inside a cage of water molecules. The result is almost – but not quite – ice. It's more like a dry, white slush suffusing the sand and gravel..."
http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/artic...

UPDATE - 9 months ago
I have just received a response to my post via e-mail from the Center for Scientific Creation, challenging me to a phone debate with Walt Brown Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)... which I must decline, or have my assets handed to me verbally. (Peggy) was kind enough to enlighten me with Dr. Brown's technical notes on "Rocket Science". I just want to know if it is too late to change some of the content of my Rave... I do agree with Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory, however I failed to see the explanation of it's cryogenic effect that makes mine pale in comparison. The following is an excerpt from that email...

"Richard, you have missed something very important.
Dr. Brown's hydroplate explanation automatically produces a cryogenic far more powerful that the one you described. In fact, your meager cryogenic effect fails to explain so much of what is known about the frozen mammoths.
You need to read Dr. Brown's technical notes, specifically "Rocket Science" that begins at http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo.... The temperatures of the fountains reached almost -460 degrees F. It is nothing but physics. I presume you know how refrigerators work."
http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
The major problem with Dr. Brown's stand-alone theory, is that "super-cooled" water and rock debris would hail down on the Mammoths crushing them. This is why a Liquid Methane/Amonia Cryovolcanic would serve better, oozing mud around said Mammoths while the gasses would suffocate them before drowning. All evidence is that they were in a "bog" of mud... with bones fractured from lateral pressure NOT from above or beneath. Getting a frigid atmosphere is only one part of the puzzle, encasing the Mammoths in a cyogenic state without crushing them is quite another.

Some present that these were merely mummified Mammoths... however this does not answer how much of their stomach contents were preserved without digestion and decay. I am not negating the massive evidence for peripheral effects of a global catastrophic event, I am just focusing on the conditions that would have made cryogenically freezing a Mammoth possible without crushing it, or in some cases without drowning it.
UPDATE - 2 months ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
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9 months ago: Hummm... some will say bunk until they figure out what Dry Ice is and it's temperature range.

That nasty climate changing CO2. Dang.

First they say it makes us hot and now we find out it makes us frozen.

Would you please make up your mind.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: Wonderful post and well researched. It is an intriguing question.
Methane Clathrates do occur at great depths in the ocean and when disturbed can become unstable releasing the methane trapped inside a crystalline structure of water into a gas that is something like 300 times the volume of the hydrate. As you know when you have a CO2 fire extinguisher and you release the compressed gas into the atmospheric pressure it is extremely cold.

So your hypothesis is that the global flood caused a geological disturbance that might have disturbed a chamber of underground methane hydrates and then the gas blowing out of a crack right under the mammoth quick froze it on the spot while it was still standing chomping down on tropical plants and flowers.

What Fun! Why the flood though? A plain old earthquake is billions of times more probable, and besides if the global flood caused this disturbance, the mammoth would have been drowned not frozen, and if the approaching walls of water caused the earth to crack, why didn't the tsunami also wash away the mammoth which would have thawed it out in the process.

Another problem with the theory is that once frozen by the escaping gas, why wouldn't the mammoth just thaw out again? Surely one little gas release wouldn't trigger an instant ice age, and why wouldn't the saber tooth tigers just munch on this frozen meatsickle?

In the movie the Day After Tomorrow super storms were powerful enough to suck the cold from the upper atmosphere down to the surface which would freeze stuff exceedingly fast and could also bring in an ice age, but the ATS criticism of this theory is valid. the storm would probably have scared the dickens out of the mammoth.

Methane cathrates occur under hundreds of feet of water when it is cold with incredible pressure. Global warming is causing the oceans to warm which is making more of these hydrates to become unstable, bubbling up to the surface expanding on the way. Once in the atmosphere the methane which is 23 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas contributes to the climate change. The Clathrates also become unstable when disturbed. There have been drilling rigs that sunk because they drilled into a pocket,, and ther is speculation that the Bermuda Triangle disappearances could be explained by this phenomenon. http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/met...

I am not aware of hydrates being found trapped underground because the needed pressure to form them in an aquifer would also be associated with high earth temperatures.

Here's another theory: Scientists think that most of the water on earth came from asteroids entering the atmosphere. We know that many comets are mostly frozen water. Of course most of the time, the water boils off before hitting the earth. If there were a really big one perhaps one that contained frozen CO2 (dry Ice) hit, the resultant dust cloud would shade the earth for years and could cause an ice age. But then the comet if it hit would generate heat. It wouldn't freeze anything. Maybe if it was antimatter it might have kicked off some hitherto unknown reaction that we don't know about, because we never have enough antimatter to figure out how it behaves in all situations.

There are still things Science can't explain, but exploring for answers is sure fun isn't it?
9 months ago: Altruist,

It is awesome to find alternative theories that may not yet have been explored, having as viable merit as current hypothesis do. When I started connecting the dots I was pumped! As TCG says.... it may take some time before we see if these assertions can hold water !:]
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: The more that I think about it the more I like the antimatter asteroid. When antimatter reacts with matter you get really big explosions. It is thought that perhaps it was an antimatter meteor that caused the Tunguska blast in Russia a hundred years ago. This blast was curious because it did not leave a crater or any evidence except for a whole bunch of trees that were laid down pointing away from the center.
http://steve1717.hubpages.com/hub/Tungus...

Perhaps in the right circumstances an antimatter meteor would implode instead of explode, with the air rushing in to be consumed by the antimatter becoming extremely cold as it rushes into the resultant vacuum?

Better still what if the meteorite was made of a black hole? That would account for the air being quickly sucked into the black hole which might freeze everything. Of course a black hole would be so dense and might be so small that it would penetrate into the earth without making a crater, and it might not leave any evidence because it would have enough momentum that it might continue all the way through the core of the earth and out the other side. It would no doubt cause more of a disturbance coming out the other side and the debris would be blown into the upper atmosphere which would shade the earth and cause another global winter and instant ice age. It would take a day or so for the debris to circle the planet but the mass of the mammoth and surrounding frozen earth might keep frozen till the global winter formed.
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9 months ago: Have any of the mammoths found been absent of decay? It seems I read somewhere that the ones found so far, excepting this small one, were all putrid on the inside.
9 months ago: Box,

Most of what I have found is that only partial stomach contents decayed, and most of the Mammoths were preserved... some even edible...

"Over time, various clues about the environment at the time of their death have been discovered and studied. Scientists found partially preserved stomach vegetation in some of the carcasses and so could identify the woolly mammoth's last meal. Solving one mystery just leads to another. They wondered how the stomach contents remained half decayed while the animals froze? This is a problem since it takes a long time to freeze an animal as large as an elephant. A quick freeze came to mind. Birds Eye Frozen Foods Company ran the calculations and came up with a staggering -150°F (-100°C). Once again, the scientists were puzzled. How could such temperatures be reached on earth, especially when apparently they were in a fairly temperate environment before the quick freeze?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
9 months ago: Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia stating that mere "icy water" in bogs cryogenically froze the Mammoths... however it has been found to be inadequate to freeze an animal of that size quick enough.... UNLESS the water was mixed with Ammonia or liquid Methane producing the required -150°F (-100°C) temperatures.

"Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths, with much soft tissue remaining, have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. This is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud and icy water, which then froze."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mamm...
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9 months ago: The following is a response to my post via e-mail from the Center for Scientific Creation, challenging me to a phone debate with Walt Brown Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)... which I must decline, or have my assets handed to me verbally....

"Richard, you have missed something very important.
Dr. Brown's hydroplate explanation automatically produces a cryogenic far more powerful that the one you described. In fact, your meager cryogenic effect fails to explain so much of what is known about the frozen mammoths.
You need to read Dr. Brown's technical notes, specifically "Rocket Science" that begins at http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo.... The temperatures of the fountains reached almost -460 degrees F. It is nothing but physics. I presume you know how refrigerators work."
http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
9 months ago: In response to the email sent to me from the Center for Scientific Creation, this does not negate a cryovolcanic event possibility, however given the information provided by Dr. Brown, it seems to answer many questions about the "Ice Age" and other peripheral studies associated with such a catastrophic event...


The Grand Canyon (pages 189–221)
Mid-Oceanic Ridge
Earth's Major Components
Oceanic Trenches, Earthquakes, and the Ring of Fire (pages 146–174)
Magnetic Variations on the Ocean Floor
Submarine Canyons
Coal and Oil
Methane Hydrates
Ice Age
Frozen Mammoths (pages 236–266)
Major Mountain Ranges
Overthrusts
Volcanoes and Lava
Geothermal Heat
Strata and Layered Fossils (pages 176–187)
Limestone (pages 228–233)
Metamorphic Rock
Plateaus
The Moho and Black Smokers
Salt Domes
Jigsaw Fit of the Continents
Changing Axis Tilt
Comets (pages 270–300)
Asteroids and Meteoroids (pages 302–321)
Earth's Radioactivity (pages 325–369)
http://www.creationscience.com/onlineboo...
9 months ago: The major problem with Dr. Brown's stand-alone theory, is that "super-cooled" water and rock debris would hail down on the Mammoths crushing them. This is why a Liquid Methane/Amonia Cryovolcanic would serve better, oozing mud around said Mammoths while the gasses would suffocate them before drowning. All evidence is that they were in a "bog" of mud... with bones fractured from lateral pressure NOT from above or beneath. Getting a frigid atmosphere is only one part of the puzzle, encasing the Mammoths in a cyogenic state without crushing them is another.

Even mud super-cooled would be like rock... thus crushing everything in its path, like huge boulders... however mud as Cyovolcanic "lava" would be the most probable. I think that at the fist stages of the "Hydro-plate" event... the ground fissured and subterranean gases and liquid Methane and other gases mixed with water and mud producing a cyrogenic ooze... some -100 °C to -160 °C degrees, well cold enough to quick freeze large animals. IT is NOT necessarily the 'coldest' scenario, however it is the most workable.

Secondly, I think that as the ground broke up and more subterranean water escaped into the atmosphere, then I can see the polar caps being blanketed in thick icy mud and snow. Evidence reveals that they were in mud not just snow and ice as some museums have depicted. It wasn't quite as "tidy" as some would present.

Some Mammoths were drowned, some scientists say as a result of rising waters of rivers... the problem with that is that the ice from a frozen river could not get cold enough and fast enough. However, drowning on cryovolcanic liquid "lava" could be the very ticket.
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9 months ago: Al ....Can you tell me what you think it was I saw in the desert when I wrote about my road trip and the huge fire ball that leisurely rolled across the sky. Is that what they call Big Reds? It looks like anything can happen to us, and we are in such a precarious position between floods, meteorites and earthquakes. I tend to read the James Rollins novels. (Indiana Jones Author)
He puts a lot of fact into the books and recently he wrote The Devil Colony about the neutrinos which are fascinating to me. Between the Great Flood and the Ice Age, and radioactive energy bouncing on the Earth from space what more can happen to this Earth? We got a little earthquake and one of my neighbors who is a Jehovah Witness said it is going to happen everywhere, and this is the beginning. I'm not that type who gives in to the apocalypse theory.
Speaking of the Mammouth Elephants and dinosaurs, I find the Museum of Natural History a very informative place to teach this to children.I'm bewildered when people who have lived here all their lives have never been there or taken their children for this experience.

sunny2
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9 months ago: Truth Really good work on this science piece. You also Al.
Very interesting subjects. I tend to agree with you here:
"Secondly, I think that as the ground broke up and more subterranean water escaped into the atmosphere, then I can see the polar caps being blanketed in thick icy mud and snow. Evidence reveals that they were in mud not just snow and ice as some museums have depicted. It wasn't quite as "tidy" as some would present."
sunny2
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9 months ago: My name is Richard Abram Rosenberger of little or no education...Is that your name? Then what do we call you? Richard?
You certainly are educated.
9 months ago: Sunny,

I have been called a lot of things !:]
TB is just fine, but you are welcome to call me what ever you wish !:]
9 months ago: Thanks for the education props...
let's say I like education way more than I have !:]
sunny2
sunny2
9 months ago: Richard of Truth.....Isn't it great that after all is said and done, we finally come into our own; and we become who we want to be and learning more and education is at the top of our list to become this.
I had to cram today for my test. Headed for a mid term soon. I finally got pretty tired after 7 hours straight of studying today. It is all worth it. I'll never stop learning.
sunny2
sunny2
9 months ago: cramster.com
A neutrino is a fundamental particle with very low mass that carries no electric charge. Neutrinos are produced in nuclear reactors, by radioactive decay, and by the sun. There are three types of neutrinos, each with unique properties: electron neutrinos, muon neutrinos, and tau neutrinos. Because they travel at speeds near the speed of light and do not interact with electromagnetic fields, neutrinos are extremely difficult to detect and can pass unaffected through matter for tremendous distances. First posited to exist by Wolfgang Pauli in 1930, neutrinos were not discovered until 1959 and it wasn't until 1998 that physicists could demonstrate that neutrinos have non-zero mass. In 2010, physicists demonstrated that neutrinos could account for dark matter in the universe.
Makes me wonder.

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