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Occupy Wall Street - Shut 'em Down

The occupation is over in New York City.

It took 150 sanitation workers from all five boroughs several hours to haul 26 truckloads of trash, tarps, junk and other crap out of Zuccotti Park. They disposed of garbage, human waste, drug paraphanernalia and other crap. All this after very diplomatically and efficiently removing the squatters.

New York Sanitation cleaned up 2 months worth of filth scrubbed everything with industrial strength cleaners, scraped, scratched and took down signs/posters. On top of all that, the City is still even allowing the OWS folks to come back and demonstrate, but they just can't live there.

Sounds fair to me.

Protest is good. However, one has to make sure they are fighting the right fight. Again, being zealos is a good thing. We just need to be zealous about the right things.

The only revolution that will have lasting impact is the revolution in an individual's heart. Until the heart is changed, nothing really changes.

http://utmost.org/the-changed-life/

Kudos to the NYPD for not being baited into anything stupid. Kudos the OWS folks for doing the right thing and getting out of the park peacefully. Evidently there is still common sense in both groups.

Occupy Wall Street got 2 months of attention. That occupation needed to be shut down. Now folks can use the park for what it was originally intended.

The OWS folks need to figure out another strategy if they really want to make a positive difference and not just look like a bunch of bums griping because life is hard.

This is a real opportunity for them. An opportunity for them to change THEMSELVES.

One O'clock in the morning, time to WAKE UP! - NYPD

Clearing the park gives these folks a chance. A chance to go out and build a more promising future for themselves and for others. A chance to make a potoitive impact on their world rather than sit around and complain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMXPsmyA...
King's X - Complain

Giving up never got anyone a victory. Camping out in a park all day should be seen as equivalent to giving up in any reasonable person's book. It's time to take full responsibility for one's lot in life and stop blaming others. Move on.

If a person is not floating resumes, setting interviews, networking and going for success like their next breath of air, I don't want to hear their noise. Plain and simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0vUu0l6...
Nido Qubein - The Pain of Changing Yourself

Now they can spend the time looking for and creating opportunities rather than cussin', fussin' and doing nuthin.'

God has indeed blessed this country whether some want to see it or not, acknowledge it or not, like it or not. But His grace is not going to strive with this land forever. Especially not when we want to run the show and leave Him out to the point of scrubbing His words off the monuments in Washington.

http://religiousliberty.com/article-wash...

When images of our country go out, I don't want them to see vagabonds spitting profanities at politicians, cops creaking folks over the head and tear gassing them, or dumb azzes throwing Molotov cocktails. This is America for goodness sake. We spawned in persecution, birthed through blood sweat and tears. All of our ancestors have prayed and paid too high a price for us to throw that away to anarchy and socialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr41skFqz...
Kirk Franklin - REVolution

I read "The Wretched of the Earth" back in the day too, but we have to have grown out of that stuff by now. Right?

There are institutions that need to be held accountable. There are individuals out there who abuse power and need to be either put out of business, locked up, or both. Tactics are everything and OWS is a tactic that needs re-thinking and not re-establishement or even encouragement.

None of us should sit around and watch the Dream get flushed down the toilet by malcontents. Too many folks have sacrificed and died to pave the way to our success to let it be taken away by those who trample our liberty underfoot and take our blessings for granted.

Thank you for reading,

HN
UPDATE - 6 months ago
Not all the people in the streets downtown are losers. However many of them are. Many have been enabled.

Like I said before, just out of college does not mean instant job.

If there were no jobs all the job search sites would be shut down. I'm not saying it's easy, what I am saying is it's doable.

If Nido could do it, we all can do it. It's not a matter of finding opportunity necessarily; it's a matter of making opportunities.

It really has nothing to do with education as much as it has to do with determination. There are those out there with a high school education that will outshine some of these recent college grads who have no jobs at present. The reasons why will be because of humility and hard work. Some American will not start at the bottom or at minimum wage.

Despise not the day of small beginnings. We must work our way up instead of expecting to be molly coddled.

If this system didn't change a lick, I know I'll still be successful. I've been empowered to prosper and no devil in hell can stop that. I'm blessed and we are all blessed to be Americans and to live in this country. Period.

The key is to keep things from getting worse and hold those in power accountable. Those are good objectives.
No tantrums allowed though. No throwing bottles at cops, bashing windows and all other kinds of foolishness. That's for the immature and unfocused.

We cannot get positive action with profanity laced tirades at authority. That's just dumb and counterproductive to any good that one tries to accomplish.

Even the riff raff, if they change their ways can make it. But it's going to take repentance, determination and hard work, not just blocking the city streets and trying to make the 99% that the occupiers claim to represent miserable and unable to get to their jobs or make it difficult for the young people to get to school.

That's just wrong and when that happens I have no sympathy whatsoever for the so-called protesters. At that point they are just shiftless and non-caring bums and need to be removed to let those who would actually be productive to society through.
UPDATE - 6 months ago
The OWS movement may have some good folks in it, but quite frankly it's mostly an embarrassment.

It's an embarrassment because if all those folks put forth that effort in other areas like getting a job, they would have one. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not at the exact amount of pay they want, of maybe not in the field of their choice, but they would have work. If they spent that time getting themselves in position where they actually qualify for a loan, they would get one. Or put forth the effort to continuing their education, they could do that.

But, no. Blame the system. Blame the people who have jobs. Blame the people who have worked hard and have taken advantage of the tremendous number of opportunities available here in America. Blame the people who are living the Dream and then claim that it's dead.

It's only dead to those who see themselves as having NO HOPE.

To me that's just a moronic outlook on life. When a person is lobotomized to that degree it's no wonder success always evades them. They have set themselves up to be failures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrhi_JaQM...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzlXLzTD...

If you always see your glass as half empty, don't be surprised when one day you look around and what you did have is now gone.

UPDATE - 21 days ago
The PE link is blocked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4D-GbQ9...

Here is one that plays.

Peace.
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: You are right. The movement is sort of lucky that Bloomberg kicked them out of the park. They were getting tired and dispirited. Now they are fired up again.

The issues are still there, only now the entire nation is talking about them.

The next phase will be doing something about it. Time to change the system!

Time to force the politicians to do something about jobs so they can pay off their college loans.
6 months ago: Yes, the politicians must be prodded to do the right thing. However, the real heavy lifting is going to have to be done by the people themselves.

A lot of the folks who have attached themselves to this movement are losers. They want nothing but to tear down the free enterprise system and those bums need to be rooted out. They will be a long term burden and part of the problem not the solution.

On the other hand there are good people out there who are hurting. They need direction and focus. Well, here's their chance. It's the first minute of a new day.

http://rantrave.com/Rave/How-to-Live-Lon...

The US is still the land of opportunity. We are the greatest country of the face of this earth. However, jobs are not going to just fall in folks laps.

In order to pay off their debts and be successful, folks who are either unemployed or underemployed are going to have to take the bull by the horns individually. Persistence and guts are the order of the day.

Folks can pound the doors of government, but if they are not pounding the pavement, that is a futile endeavor.

https://www.theladders.com/reg/ppc?cr=mt...

http://www.careerbuilder.com/

The beginning piece of the strategy has to be acknowledging the ultimate source of our prosperity and pressing into what has been promised. (3 John 1:2; Philippians 4:19; John 3:16).

http://rantrave.com/Rave/How-to-Live-You...

Without that, nothing accomplished will have any lasting value and even if achived will probably be squandered or taken for granted.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: I think the Occupy prtesters should lead by example. If they want a socialist society, then they should socialize themselves and show the rest of the country how well it works. They should form community based enterprises, led by the will of the majority, and prove to the rest of the commercial market how superior that method is.

They should also put down their iphones, ipads, and other electronic gadgetry that they bought from the evil corporations, quit buying gas that they buy frm the evil Big Oil industry, and turn off their lights that are powered by the evil Coal and Nuclear power plants.

They should cash in their stocks, empty their bank accounts, and pool their funds to start up their own Utopia. Put their own money where their mouth is.
6 months ago: Very well said.

For the most part this "movement" is bogus. Who can afford to spend weeks of time goofing off in lower Manhattan? The folks out there that are crying poverty are living in opulence compared to the rest of the world and they are complaining.

Now this bunch wants to shut down the Brooklyn Bridge and the Subway systems (11/17/11).

They have been relatively peaceful up until now but the crowd is still loaded with knuckle heads whom given the right opportunity, will turn things ugly right snappy.

If they want to divest and or boycott, go-ahead. But they are hypocrites for exploiting American freedom and complaining about the American way while they chat and text on their Iphones, drink Pellegrino, and loiter in public places rather than spending productive time looking for a real job.
6 months ago: I have zero tolerance for folks who are miserable and their goal in life is to make others as miserable or as poor as they are.

Why should we be inconvenienced catching public transportation because some folks are ticked off at "corporate America" and don't really have a clue as to what to do about it?

They need to look for work and "OCCUPY A DESK." That's what they need to occupy.

Why should our kids have to pass through police barricades to get to and from school while adult idiots stand around crowding and shouting profanities at the cops and causing trouble?

The tactics they are employing are stupid. They are getting about as much attention as a toddler gets when they throw a tantrum in the supermarket.

I feel bad for some of them because I do believe there are some good people. However, they are frustrated and simply looking for a scapegoat as to why their life sucks. Those folks in particular would be better off getting away from that group and actually work on getting their lives together.

You lay down with dogs and you get up with fleas. Hang out with losers and you get locked up along with the losers.

This is NOTHING like the civil rights demonstrations of the 60's. This Occupy crap is a joke compared to that.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: Amen. That's why even the Democrats are distancing themselves.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Democrats have been distancing themselves right along.
That is the problem. They turn the other way when the ordinary people need them, who vote, mind you. The Government is effecting more than a small percentage. It is effecting a greater part of the population. I would think someone would care. This is infectious. The job market is worse.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: The reason so many Occupiers have the time to dedicate to the movement is that the entire free market system has abandoned them. Most of the homeless are not there because they chose that life. Most have mental and substance abuse problems, but there are no funds for mental health facilities or drug treatment programs because the rich and the corporations are not paying their fair share.

Even the Christian missions are maxed out even though most of the homeless would prefer living under a bridge to being preached to. Finding Jesus won't get them the care they need.

Taxes are at a 60 year low even though we have to pay the ten year old bills for two wars, and the Medicare drug giveaway. Instead of helping those in need the right wing insists on further austerity measures, putting more people out of work. Taking away homes and putting more people on the streets, and shutting down the services they need to survive.

Yes many of the people at the occupations are not the best examples of humanity, but those of us who are feeding them and giving them warm clothes are.

Yes since the camps have no shower or laundry facilities, the folk do not look and smell as good as we would like. Wouldn't it be nice to find some nice big vacant buildings that they could use through the winter, so they won't freeze to death?

And many of the protestors are college students or recent graduates who have little chance of getting a job, because the Republicans refuse to pass any job's bills. Most of them would get out and work if they could.

The next phase will be to harness the energy of the millions who agree with the movements ideas even though they don't have the time to march or camp with them.

It is very much like the civil rights movement. "At the center of non-violence stands the principle of love." MLK

"Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness." MLK

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." MLK

Martin Luther King would be occupying and marching with us.
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: Altruist

I would like clarification, in the spirit of seeking understanding and common ground.

You invoked King's name and words, specifically: "At the center of non-violence stands the principle of love."

How does that sentiment relate to the Occupy protests?

You also stated that Republicans are putting people out of work, and shutting down services. Is the answer to this an equal action, such as shutting down the Oakland Port, the Brooklyn Bridge and the NYC transit system? That's putting people out of work too.
6 months ago: Interesting. Let me break this down:

Number one, I don't see where most of the occupiers are homeless. I've heard story after story where folks have actually quit jobs and left home in order to be a part of this mess.

"Even the Christian missions are maxed out even though most of the homeless would prefer living under a bridge to being preached to. Finding Jesus won't get them the care they need."

Wrong. Most of the homeless are open to the Gospel and they may get the word at the mission but they are not "preached to." Also, if they don't like it, then live under a bridge and just shut up. I don't want to hear them gripe.

Also, If Jesus won't get them the care they need then guess what? They are not going to get any because He is the ultimate source of it. Besides that, poor folks flocked to Jesus it was the arrogant "know it alls" that had problems with Him.

It was the arrogant fools, those full of pride, the ones who wanted to run their own lives on their own terms that always left empty handed and disappointed. All their own short-sighted fault too. I work with the homeless and very few are antagonistic to Jesus Christ.

Again, the proud and the arrogant are always the ones who end up on empty.

"Yes many of the people at the occupations are not the best examples of humanity," That's an understatement. Have you read any of RSG's posts or checked out the links? Doesn't sound like it.

"And many of the protestors are college students or recent graduates who have little chance of getting a job..."

That just represents a bad attitude and a loser mentality. Recent grad does not always equal instant job. GROW UP and stop whining! This is still the land of opportunity but not for those who lack diligence and are not willing to take full responsibility for their lives.

If one comes to a point where they feel their life sucks, resolve to change it. I may take time but stop the blame game and do something positive and stick to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTX0t_3P...
Nido Qubein: Why Immigrants Become Millionaires

Nido came to the US penniless and unable to speak English. He made it. Why can't everyone else? People need to stop making excuses for their failures. Man up! Woman up!
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: As far as your opening sentences. Maybe those people who have enough and are thriving feel it is a duty to help those who need it.
If it meant helping my country not letting it go down the tubes to a handful of thugs, then I would also. Jesus' hand is in all things. Every single thing for every person alive.
Before there use to be jobs for individuals like single moms, gas pumpers, kids starting out, etc. Nowadays, without college education, those jobs are gone. HR outsourced them. Don't forget these jobs are no more. If you are not lucky enough to have had the privilege of education, you can bet on it, your life during these times will be magnified and put under a microscope to be judged as unworthy.
6 months ago: "The next phase will be to harness the energy of the millions who agree with the movements ideas even though they don't have the time to march or camp with them" They don't have the time because they are either too busy providing for their families, running their business or both. Who has time to to voluntarily spend weeks in the streets rather than looking for work? Shiftless folks that's who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjXy2pJX...

Did you watch the evening news? You are delusional to the max if you feel MLK would march with that bunch of profanity spouting vagabonds. I confident he would disown the whole thing. It's a strategic nightmare and has no real consensus or focus. King had his short-comings but he was to smart to pulled into something like that.

Boycotts? Divestiture? Maybe. But MLK supporting aimlessly roaming the streets and disrupting the lives of those who are going about their business and living their lives, providing for their families and being productive citizens?

NO WAY Jose.

The mob we see on our evening news have no real purpose beyond themselves and they are definitely not thinking about the needs of other people.

The opportunities in America today for all Americans far outshine what was available back in the 60's. There is no comparison. Opportunities abound but too many people are still looking for a hand out and when they don't get it are looking to tear someone else down.

That pretty well defines what a LOSER is and what a LOSER does. The sincere people on the group need to break away and do something else with their lives. Otherwise all they are headed for is disappointment and trouble.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: We all due respect to your comments, it is easier said then done. Don't you think at all that many of these people can't find work because there are no jobs? I think putting all the people in one big barrel calling them losers isn't helping matters. Sure there are going to be vagrants filling the gaps and taken advantage, but we have that in the injustices that the Gov. is serving up in platefuls of poverty. This isn't the 60s. People not born at that time, don't know what it was like. It was sickening. The free love, the communes, the war pacifiers who didn't know what end was up. Peace loving people away from the reality of life. Mixed up craziness. No jobs then. I remember buses being set on fire in the City streets just around the corner where people were Christmas shopping. I remember the violence. I remember the losing of friends in the Vietnam war. For the good souls in this protest for the betterment of their society, if they are brushed off by people not supporting any of it, we will all lose. If there are no jobs, these businesses that are complaining about the prople, won't have businesses if everything goes on the way it is going. I saw a woman dressed to kill with a expensive hat and jewelry on, making a statement that people should concentrate on getting jobs. Where, HOW? These people have already exhausted looking. They are at their wits end. Look at the protesters in other countries. They won't take anything. College kids can't find work. Its in them to learn and utilize it. They have no choice but to gather. Does that make them vagrants? A man or woman over 50 find it hard to find work. They aren't vagrants. Oh yes, and don't forget the veterans who are treated like dirt when they return home. No jobs, no future. Something has to be done. People don't know what it is when they are well off because they are not in tune to others that are not. It all goes back to if one is lucky or not and how society views people when they are down on their luck. I hear from the groups connected to this protest almost every dat.. They have valid issues. They have to weed out the ones who aren't representing them right. OWS has been getting noticed. The President doesn't seem to worry about anything. Is it because he is doing the same old, same old of ignoring the people. Before violence stems from this, they have to be heard. Nobody is really listening to them. This shouldn't be taken lightly. Americans aren't made in China. They don't have that sticker on them.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: If this is smoothed over and forgotten, what a mess we will be in. Government will keep on doing what it is doing because the people gave in. The rich will be richer and the poor dead in the water.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago:
activist@democrats.com

On September 17, a handful of activists changed history just by marching down Wall Street and refusing to leave.
Thursday November 17 is the two-month anniversary of their heroic action, with solidarity actions around the country. Can you join them?
http://november17.org
The 1% is truly afraid. They've tried everything to stop us - riot police, mass arrests, pepper spray, helicopters, police horses, and endless FOX News lies - but we refuse to quit.
How can we? For 30 years, they've robbed us blind, destroyed our jobs, and made us slaves to their debt. If we don't stop them now, we never will. So please join an action near you:
http://november17.org
Meanwhile in Washington, a top-secret "SuperCommittee" is trying to slash Medicare and Social Security while cutting taxes for the rich. This is utterly outrageous - tell Congress to pass the Progressive Caucus People's Budget instead.
http://www.democrats.com/pass-the-people...
We've won amazing victories in the past two months. We made the media discuss jobs, debt, inequality, corruption, and greed. We made huge banks abandon debit card fees, and moved billions to credit unions. We won key elections in Ohio, Mississippi, Arizona, and Kentucky.
There's nothing we can't achieve if we set our minds to it, and keep fighting. We've truly just begun.
Thanks for all you do!
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I think we are lucky that someone is standing up for the people who can't.
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6 months ago: Not all the people in the streets downtown are losers. However many of them are. Many have been enabled.

Like I said before, just out of college does not mean instant job.

If there were no jobs all the job search sites would be shut down. I'm not saying it's easy, what I am saying is it's doable.

If Nido could do it, we all can do it. It's not a matter of finding opportunity necessarily; it's a matter of making opportunities.

It really has nothing to do with education as much as it has to do with determination. There are those out there with a high school education that will outshine some of these recent college grads who have no jobs at present. The reasons why will be because of humility and hard work. Some American will not start at the bottom or at minimum wage.

Despise not the day of small beginnings. We must work our way up instead of expecting to be molly coddled.

If this system didn't change a lick, I know I'll still be successful. I've been empowered to prosper and no devil in hell can stop that. I'm blessed and we are all blessed to be Americans and to live in this country. Period.

The key is to keep things from getting worse and hold those in power accountable. Those are good objectives.

No tantrums allowed though. No throwing bottles at cops, bashing windows and all other kinds of foolishness. That's for the immature and unfocused.

We cannot get positive action with profanity laced tirades at authority. That's just dumb and counterproductive to any good that one tries to accomplish.

Even the riff raff, if they change their ways can make it. But it's going to take repentance, determination and hard work, not just blocking the city streets and trying to make the 99% that the occupiers claim to represent miserable and unable to get to their jobs or make it difficult for the young people to get to school.

That's just wrong and when that happens I have no sympathy whatsoever for the so-called protesters. At that point they are just shiftless and non-caring bums and need to be removed to let those who would actually be productive to society through.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: We are parents that worked very hard to give our children a better life because we know the obstacles and problems that come up. As far as tantrums, who in Government doesn't misbehave. They are riddled with crime and bad behavior. They lie and they cheat. God knows what else. You refer to the unfortunate as riff raff, but you would be the first person to extend a helping hand. Once you are discriimated against for not working for any length of time, you are out of luck. People aren't all blessed with the power to do better in life. Many fall to ruination, but they are no less God's children. The ones who are incorrigibles will never in this lifetime help themselves. Thats why there are agencies that help these people. People still need to voice. I didn't like what I saw there also. There's filth and commotion. If they straighten that out, they have a chance. I think they will.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Can I ask you something? All of you.
Who has stepped up to the plate to help without predjudice?
Since we reflect on the Bible, what was that one story that children are taught.
People passed the beggar on the road and one man finally stopped. Because he stopped, he was rewarded because he stopped for Jesus. You know it more than I do.
6 months ago: Sunny, I hear you.

They have attention. Now what are they going to do with it? They have no clear message. No leaders to speak up for them. No concrete and actionable objectives for any long term solution. Right now, it's a mess.

The Mayor's office of NYC has offered to conference with them but those who do claim to speak for the mob have refused. What recourse the City have? Continue to baby sit these people until they find something better to do? What a waste of time and resources.

What's next? Continuing to aimlessly roam the streets and make the lives of everyday citizens miserable is not going to garner any sympathetic support.

Filling the air with profanity laced tirades is not going to get positive action either. Those are the riff raff. Not the ones who are actually down and out and are really looking for and working for a solution, the trouble makers without a clear vision.

The initial attention. Okay. Got that. What's next?

They don't have a clue as to what to do next other than disrupt the lives of the citizens they claim to represent. I would be glad to see something different than that, something actually positive and moving in the right direction.

That would be welcomed.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Of course, I agree with you someone has to stand up to organize because they won't be taken seriously in the long run. They have been making some changes. They probably themselves were unaware of how things would get out of control. At least they put that one foot forward. Like any thing else, its the passion of the American people that drives them. They do have a lot of support from people, maybe not on Rantrave, and a few City people that are singled out for interviews on the media. I find the City people out of touch with things from time to time. They live in their own little world, and as big as NYC is, it is made up of Boroughs and communities. No, they shouldn't stand in the way of people getting back and forth to work and businesses operating on the street. Unfortunately, a lot of them are paying the price for what the Government took from them, but a lot of the people are probably from NY. Aside from the few that have no argument and shouldn't be there, those that have a real argument, have no choice.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: I marched with the Occupy Eugene folk yesterday. I marched with grandparents and vets and students and people from every walk of life. We marched for the same thing that the people marched for in Europe, Egypt or Syria or any of the other Arab Spring people marched for - our freedom. I am certain that businessmen and commuters were also inconvenienced in those places.

Yesterday we marched on the Banks because they are not doing their jobs which should be lending money to small businesses and renegotiating home loans. Instead they are still doing the same type of gambling on hedge funds and derivatives, that caused the economic collapse. The 4 banks that got bailed out still have $256 trillion worth of derivitives on their books, and they still pay their CEO's millions of dollars. The 1% were able to block any meaningful reforms to keep them from destroying the economy again.

If we had a fair and just system we would instate a financial transaction tax to discourage that behavior and reinstate Glass Steigal to separate the banking system from the speculation.

The 1%, because of Corporate Personhood, and Citizens United, are now able to bribe politicians and buy elections without any disclosure, and the regular people no longer have a voice. We have lost our Democracy and the government has been subverted to represent only the rich and the corporations.

The march was all very peaceful except for some that intentionally wanted to get arrested. It was a good exercise of our 1st amendment rights.

Now the movement is joining with the unions and other groups. The movement is young and still learning, but there are tens of thousands of people who are figuring out the most effective ways to gain the support of the vast majority and start turning that energy into political action.

The right will not be able to defeat an idea whose time has come. It may take a while, but Fairness and Justice will be returned to our government.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: BRAVO!
Al, you have the courage to be strong.
Sometimes a few have to be inconvenienced, but it is for the benefit of all.
Sunny
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: The end justifies the means, eh, Sunny? Karl Marx agrees with you wholeheartedly.

These people are doing just the opposite of what they should be doing, and are in no way imitating the Arab Spring people across the world. IN the Arab Spring movement, people protested what their government was doing, not what the rich and powerful were doing.

I played a paper and pencil, mail-in game called Hyborean War a number of years ago. I always started out with a tiny little country with very limited resources, because I was on a budget. My best tool in that game, to take over a much larger and more powerful country, was called "foment unrest". Then, once I had sufficiently disrupted and demoralized, I could waltz right in and take over.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Box .... I don't think KM would agree with me as an American for the people. It could be that we aren't geared as American peopleto have to protest just in order to keep our liberties. We are so use to having them. There is an American passion that can never be diminished by any one. That is going to come first and foremost. The kids today are not well-versed on the past but see things more as they are today and deal with it the only way they know.
Although, thank you for your thoughts. Do you think it is wise to dabble in that sort of thing, after all it is only a game. Better to put the energies in a place where it can be productive. The way I see it is that when things are disrupted and demoralized, it is true anything can happen because we are vulnerable. I would see that takeover coming from the government after the people gave up because they were bullied into surendering to those that have power. The people have this tremendous feeling that their rights are being jeopardize. There are always going to be some that will infiltrate, and these are the few I think deliberately cause disruption to take away from the message that is trying to be presented and make it bad for the rest. No, I would always stand by the people. Also, the banks did give loans to people who couldn't afford it, I have this tendency to believe that was plotted. They knew people couldn't hold on. They want to make money and that's it.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
6 months ago: So you are marching for your freedom...at the expense of another person's freedom. You are saying that that you and the other protesters are dictating what another person's job is. "....Banks...jobs...should be lending money..."

You are also saying that banks should be doing the same thing that caused the financial crisis...lending money to people that can't prove they can afford to pay it back. Too many people already took their own personal bailout when the credit glut was in its heyday. It's called BANKRUPTCY.

When Glass-Steagall was gutted by the Clinton Administration, it was done to protect the banks so they would feel more inclined to loan money to those less credit-worthy. The gambling on hedge funds and derivatives did not cause the economic collapse. Loaning trillions of sub-prime dollars that did not get paid back is what helped caused it. Americans demanding top wages and buying cheaper goods from overseas helped cause it.

Interesting fact: If you took every dime of every hedge fund in the world and gave it to the US government, it would be enough to pay the bills for 5 months.
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6 months ago: Anyone who intentionally wants to get arrested is a fool.

I have no patience for cry babies who refuse to take full responsibility for their position in life. Always looking for someone to change their diaper rather than growing up to the point where they no longer need them.

Some people simply have no attitude of gratitude. Many American take their blessings for granted. That's why immigrants can come here and knock the cover off the ball of success. They appreciate the opportunities that so many lazy and shiftless American take for granted or choose to ignore.

Immigrants don't come here looking for a handout. They come here looking for work. They don't come here expecting the system to take care of them. They come here and take advantage of the TREMENDOUS opportunities that are available here for advancement. Immigrants don't come here and start fights with the cops and attempt to prevent the hard working 99% of American here who have jobs from getting to them on time.

The OWS movement may have some good folks in it, but quite frankly it's mostly an embarrassment.

It's an embarrassment because if all those folks put forth that effort in other areas like getting a job, they would have one. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not at the exact amount of pay they want, of maybe not in the field of their choice, but they would have work. If they spent that time getting themselves in position where they actually qualify for a loan, they would get one. Or put forth the effort to continuing their education, they could do that.

But, no. Blame the system. Blame the people who have jobs. Blame the people who have worked hard and have taken advantage of the tremendous number of opportunities available here in America. Blame the people who are living the Dream and then claim that it's dead.

Too me that's just a moronic outlook on life. When a person is lobotomized to that degree it's no wonder success always evades them. They have set themselves up to be failures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrhi_JaQM...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzlXLzTD...

If you always see the glass as half empty, don't be surprised one day when what you did have is gone.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: I agree with you that that crowd has to split up and away from those who have no reason to be there.
Huey, we had to start over. That's tough when you have the know how and background for solid work. We did it. Taking more than 3/4 pay cut is very hard, but you do it. It was dreadful for a while. You still have to have someone else to help support a situation that is so bad. We did it and moved forward. It isn't easy for each person. Some are luckier than others. I think people know that if they want to eat every day they have to work. The economy has been bad before, but I have never seen it this bad. We did it with big, big prayers and were answered. Things just changed for the better immediately. I say that people are in God's hands. You have older people who are sick or tired and run down and can't participate. Parents having to take care of minor children can't march. It isn't cut and dry.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Intentionally getting arrested is stretching it somewhat.That is where problems come in and people on the outside looking in get upset because it goes against the entire purpose.
ANYONE SEE THIS VIDEO
A disturbing video of passive Occupy Wall Street protesters at University of California, Davis, getting pepper sprayed by police made the rounds Saturday afternoon on YouTube.
http://mashable.com/2011/11/19/occupy-wa...
By mid-afternoon, several versions of the video, shot on Friday, were being circulated. In the video above, an officer displays the pepper spray can before spraying it at protesters who are seated with their heads down. After that, cries are heard from the crowd. As the protesters are arrested, some in the crowd shout "Shame on you" at the officers.
By the way, I know for a fact that many immigrants are on welfare, as well as any other culture. Many, many people are lazy and don't want to work that can.
The system has many people on welfare and disability that shouldn't be on it. Nothing is being done.
I went to work one day and a girl pull up along side of me with a disability tag, parked in that zone, and smiled at me and ran up 4 flights of stairs.
I don't believe the American dream is dead, I just think things as they are have to be looked at and fixed some what. My family is doing very well. In fact have excelled with perserverance and persistance in this economy in spite of the down slide but it was very, very difficult to get back. I'm very grateful and count my blessings. Many are not so fortunate.
6 months ago: "I don't believe the American dream is dead, I just think things as they are have to be looked at and fixed some what. My family is doing very well. In fact have excelled with perseverance and persistence in this economy in spite of the down slide but it was very, very difficult to get back. I'm very grateful and count my blessings. Many are not so fortunate."

Your perspective is not typical to the one the OWS movement displays.

Even those who are not so fortunate still need to be thankful to God to be able to live in a country like this one where there are still opportunities regardless of how hard or diffucult things get.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Of course, I agree with you.
Those who arent' thankful, don't get it.
You have to count your blessings from day to day. That's all we have.
The only thing I differ with is that we won't have a Country to be thankful for if it keeps going in the direction it is. The politicians talk a lot about what the American people want, but nothing happens to make things better. It is long overdue. Obama walks around like he's the King of the Road. I see no emotion from him, accept for his own feelings, and things that matter to him. That worries me because he has to do something. It has been this way all through his Presidency.
Why doesn't government make a conscious effort to bring more to the table and let people know that they are trying and talk directly to the people. The whole thing is that they wanted to be heard and not ignored. Government is still ignoring them. If the President acknowledged the people, just one word, but it doesn't happen. He can set things straight if he wanted to. This is the way it has been. Who knows what is going to happen? I, too, hope there won't be violence, Huey.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: HAVE WE FORGOTTEN KENT UNIVERSITY

On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of ... The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds of colleges and universities to close. ... one of the four students who died, William Schroeder, was shot in the back; ..... (1970) Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lew...
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: That video of the police spraying the protestors says it all.
6 months ago: Sunny, I am sorry but you can't arrest peacefully someone who refuses to be arrested. These folks were given an additional hour past the deadline to vacate and they choose not to.

Also, this madness has to stop before we do have another situation like Kent State.

The for potentially setting off this powder keg in this day and age will more than likely come from the protesters, not the cops. The cops are very privy to having their every move captured on everyone's Icam. I bet if something really nasty kicks off, it will be because the mob provoked it and the authorities respond. I hope nothing like that happens.

sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Huey isn't that what protestors have always done. A sit in is a method of protesting where the protestors sit down at a certain spot and refuse to leave.
I guess that is what Al means about deliberately getting arrested. It has always been that way.
6 months ago: Also Sunny, I don't necessarily condone what those police officers did. They should have at least tried to find some way around that.

However, that being said, what they did was a lot better than rubber bullets, fire hoses, and police German shepherds.

People have to understand, this is not Syria and this is not Egypt.

To make those comparisons is disingenuous. Anyone who believes they are the same really needs to take the blinders off and stop trying to seduce folks.

Folks here need to be thankful that conditions are nowhere near as dire as some play them up to be. Protest and take your lumps but don't act like martyrs. The situation does not call for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkA7ok5My...
Funkadelic – If You Don't Like the Effect Don't Produce the Cause

Those students could very well have been shot dead if they were protesting anywhere other than here in the US.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
6 months ago: The Right thinks Occupy should be protesting the government instead of those who own the government. I say we should go where the money is. WE need to get money out of politics before we can regain our Democracy.

The Egyptians are occupying Tahrir Square again. Part of the Occupy movement is symply symbolic in the same way. WE all want our freedom again.

The only thing that defines what the movement is all about is that people think that the 1% has too much influence on the government and that causes all of the benefits to go to the rich and corporations and the 99% get screwed.

What has the right so flumoxed is that there is no disputing those facts. There is no way to look at Republican policies and proposals and not see that every proposal helps the 1% and hurts the 99%.

99 to 1 - I like those odds!
6 months ago: Like I said before, the American Dream is only dead to those who see themselves as hopeless. That'sw just sad.

OWS claims to represent 99% of American when in fact they probably represent about 2% of that 99. The beef is legit on some levels, but the tactics are specious and the ultimate motivation of many in the mob duplicitous at best.

If you always see your glass as half empty, don't be surprised one day when you look around and see what you did have is gone.

I am glad I am never will be dependent on politics or government in order to carve out a successful future. No one else has to be dependent either.

There is no replacement for dedication and hard work. There is no excuse for being an economic slave, a social failure and a spiritual derelict. Contrary to the pessimists, this is still the Land of Opportunity.

We all have only two choices as to which system we will operate under. We choose to live and operate either under the Blessing or under the Curse. There are no other choices. There is no neutral territory.

There is no area where one can stand in the middle: Between the blessings of
God and the problems of this world. If we are not in the Kingdom, operating in the blessings of God, then one will be dominated by the problems of the world. A slave to the power that works to drive human kind into death. There is a better way (John 3:16).

I prefer to have my cup run over.
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Happy Thanksgiving everyone to you and your families. I'm going to put this all aside until next week.
Hopefully the movement will rise to the next level and something will be accomplished for the good and the peace of our Nation.
Maybe some of those who aren't really dedicated and troublesome will diminish so that the people really involved can make some headway and not be ostracized for it.
I just don't understand why you think people are vagrants, Huey, if they can't find work. Mind you I stress can't find it. We sent out thousands of resumes ourselves and were sick with worry, but we were lucky. Some people lost everything and can't get back up. There are always going to be the homeless and the poor who can't find their place in society and will never fit in. I don't think anyone can do anything about it except send them a prayer. That's just the way it is. Some of these people will freeze and die in the cold this winter and no one will care. You can't put people in a cage.
6 months ago: Hi Sunny,

This is a time of year especially when we should be aware of those who are less fortunate than us and do our part to help make their lives easier. We should do this year round whether it is volunteering with food pantries, clothing drives, toys for tots, etc. There is plenty each of us can do even if it's not to the extent we would like.

No matter where we are in life, if we have faith and have connected with our Savior we should see ourselves as a blessing going somewhere to happen.

It's very easy to get so caught up in our in lives and situations that we forget about others. May that never be. We have been already given so much in Him, how dare we close ourselves off from those in need?

Sunny, even though we may not see eye to eye on every point of the OWS issue, I want to let you know that I always appreciate your conviction, passion and input.

Have a healthy and blessed Thanksgiving holiday.

Huey
sunny2
sunny2
6 months ago: Huey, my feathers never get ruffled up by disagreements.
We agree in God's blessings. That's enough.
I'm so looking forward to that turkey tomorrow.
God Bless Sunny

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