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My Contribution To A Discussion On Spanking

Posted 17 months ago|11 comments|643 views
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Rudi Stettner
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Members of Rantrave.com have been discussing the issues of corporal punishment. Two thoughts come to mind on the issue. One is a bit of advice I received from a rabbi with a large family. He said that even scolding should not be done when one is viscerally angry. He said that the purpose of any sort of punishment should be to educate one's child and not to vent anger. I have found that spanking of any sort has limited and diminishing returns, that it should exist mostly as a theoretical possibility rather than as a regular occurrence.

When my oldest boy was about 4 years old, I got a call from my wife at the warehouse where I was working an evening shift. I asked her how the kids were doing. "Terrible!" she exclaimed, adding that my oldest child was running around and not listening to anything she said.

"Put him on the phone." I answered

"Abie*, mommy says you have been behaving badly. You need a spanking, and it can't wait until I get home! Now put your tush up to the phone."

I waited for a couple of seconds and tapped the mouthpiece on my telephone a couple of times.

"Did you do as I said?" I asked.

"Yeah." Abie answered. "And it didn't even hurt".

"Well if I have to spank you again when I get home, it will hurt". I answered. "Now hand the phone over to mommy."

My wife picked up the phone and asked "What did you tell him?"

I asked her "Did he put his tush up to the phone?

"Yes." she answered with puzzlement in her voice.

I spanked him over the phone. I hope I don't have to do it live later tonight."

For whatever reason, my son was well behaved for the rest of the night.

The other trick I used to use was to pretend that I am not mad but that my hand is. I tell the kid that my hand wants to spank him. I pretend to desperately wrestle with the angry hand and to hold it down. I would ask my kid to help me subdue the angry hand. Invariably, the kid would come over and we would hold the hand down. After a minute of struggle I would say "Don't get it mad again."

I don't generally go for gimmicks, but if you can teach a lesson with laughter, why not?

I would never condemn corporal punishment across the board, but it should really be a rarity. Communicating through the intellect and emotions that distinguish us as human is generally preferable.


*Names have been changed

Reprinted with permission from Magdeburgerjoe.com
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amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
17 months ago: A very good story. I may actually use some of this.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: Very creative Rudi. Very good advice overall too.

I think that it is very sad that people can attempt to do the most difficult task in the world, raising a child, and yet think that they need no training, advice, or help to do it.
PDeverit
PDeverit
Seattle, WA
17 months ago: "The most positive social changes around the world have followed mass improvements in the way children are treated."
Robin Grille, author of Parenting for a Peaceful World, 2005.
www.nospank.net
17 months ago: I agree. Children are a blessing and deserve the best we can give them.

When the children are mistreated and cast away society pays the price.

We will be held accountable.
17 months ago: "I would never condemn corporal punishment across the board, but it should really be a rarity."

Yep.
17 months ago: Fits right in with my own philosophy on child rearing/discipline. All tools must be properly used to get the full benefit.
PDeverit
PDeverit
Seattle, WA
17 months ago: This is a good website:
www.nospank.net
http://nospank.net/pt2010.pdf
17 months ago: Rudi you inspired me to take this to another level.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Violence-an...

Thank you.
17 months ago: Spanking is not mistreatment DPervert.

Dr. Spock ruined our society.....I hope it is not too late.

But, Rudi, you are absolutely and completely correct.

17 months ago: Try this out.

http://rantrave.com/Rave/Beating-The-Bou...

Spanking (without anger) has a legitimate purpose.

It helps children REMEMBER.
PDeverit
PDeverit
Seattle, WA
17 months ago:
Most people don't want to spank, they just feel out of options, or don't know what else they can do in that moment.

Actually, its really just a habit that we copied from our parents, but we ought to try to do better than our parents did. Research has shown that disciplining children has a far more favorable outcome than "spanking" them does.

I like these suggestions by Dr. Phil:

3 questions to ask before the next time you go to spank your child:

Is Spanking a Calming Interaction?
If your goal is to get your child to calm down, chances are, hitting them doesn't bring he or she any closer to that. Your child will most likely understand hitting as a chaotic behavior, and instead of relaxing, your child will become more anxious — and he or she will be more likely to return to his unruly behavior.

What Does Your Child Learn by Being Hit?
When you spank, you introduce chaos into your child's world. This tells him or her that violence is acceptable, and it's an OK way to react when you're mad. If your child is subdued, but continues to think of hitting as an acceptable behavior, is the trade-off worth it?

Is It Working for the Long-Term?
As Phil told Nickie and Brent, "If it's working so well, why does your child continue to push you to the edge?" Spanking your kids may work to suppress his or her bad behavior temporarily, but it isn't a learning type of discipline. The message they get from being spanked is "I'm a bad kid," which doesn't help your child figure out what he or she did wrong — or how to keep from doing it again!
http://drphil.com/articles/article/247/

I personally find these Christian resources and thoughts useful:

Ten Reasons I Can't Spank A Catholic Counselor's Critical Examination of Corporal Punishment By Gregory K. Popcak, MSW, LCSW
http://nospank.net/popcak.htm

"I have never been a believer in the physical punishment of children, I don't think it's necessary."
-Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church president

This is a good one that professionals like to use, it talks about why "spanking" doesn't work, and has some resources for effective discipline-
Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak
http://www.nospank.net/pt2010.pdf

Parenting is a really tough job. It would be nice if kids came with instructions!

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