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Muslims Sure Are Different

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Muslims sure are different.

These guys purportedly worship God who created our world.

Then, these Muslims are supposed to kill everybody that does not think like they do.

And, these Muslims are supposed to kill their own daughters if they do not tow the line. That is KILL their own daughters.

They supposedly are not allowed to hang personal pictures on the walls anywhere. Huh?

That makes the picture above that more odd. Why in the wide, wide world of sports would a Muslim want to take pictures of his family all dressed up in that garb they wear?

I mean, which one is aunt Bessie or cousin Alice?

Can't figure those people out one bit. Not one bit.
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: Rather cheeky of a Christian to call out another religion for being irrational.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
24 months ago: How many religions and cults are there in the world today?

How many are considered crazy, sinful or evil etc., by others?

What you consider sinful, crazy or irrational is irrelevant, because they may say the same about yours.

If you are not of that religion or have been a member of it, then others will consider yours the same.

I had 18 years in Scientology and can speak with authority about its scams and frauds.

An opinion is worthless without first-hand knowledge.

Thanks for given me the opportunity, to speak bad about the Godless Cult of Greed and Sin.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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24 months ago: I am wondering if those are wives or daughters in the picture. Cheeky Mark? Must not know they bury them up to the sholders before the stoning law is invoked. If they can crawl out during the stoning they are found to be innocent. Cheeky. Why is it the guys wear white or a shade just below and the gals wear black and blue?
everthecynic
everthecynic
24 months ago: Black and blue, how fitting.

I've often wondered how they tell each other apart, what with being covered up to their eyes and being sentenced to death if they get close enough to another man to smell his breath. Call me what you will, but their sense of "law" is one of the things that makes me quite relieved and happy to be a child of her science books yet acknowledging that there are things in the world that even science can't explain.
24 months ago: Mark:

Does that mean you've figured them out?

Please enlighten us.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: Red you should know that teh Muslims worship the very same god of Abraham that you do. All of the insane things like stoning your kid if he talks back at you and stoning your wife to death if she cheats on you are found in your old testament bible.

The Christians went through their own period of barbarism with the 350 year inquisition where they did much worse than stoning people to death. The civilized Christians, and Jews, just agreed amongst themselves to ignore the most demented commands of their schizophrenic God.

Hopefully it won't take another hundred years for Islam to regain their sanity.
24 months ago: I'm sorry you see things that way Al.
24 months ago: Allah is not the God of either the Old or New Testaments.

He is an aloof deity that never lets his followers know where they stand with him.

When a Muslim prays with his head towards Mecca, he must continually pray for mercy because he does not know if Allah will forgive him or not. He has no basis upon which he can be assured of forgiveness.

That's enough to drive a person nuts.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: What I’ve tried to do here is show my fellow human beings that compassion, mercy, hope, commitment, hard work, creativeness and all possible good things are through one common inspiration. People call out to their gods or non gods but we don’t know as Mark Byrn once said. And it is that lack of knowledge that scares us but what we do from hence on forward after coming to that realization is up to us as human beings. Do we commit ourselves to doing evil or do we commit ourselves to doing good. We are intelligent creatures capable of good but our capacity does not control our will.

Ultimately if we do not see or feel the presence of the Creator of the universe is because of our preoccupations with anything and everything besides what he would have us do. What is that you ask? Seek it out and you will know. I do good because it is the right thing to do. It reflects my belief in a loving and benevolent Creator G-d. He is real to me because I live a life that shows he’s real. It really is not that complex. Jesus said “Seek and you shall find!” What is so hard about that?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: I'll elaborate on my previous comment. Listening to Christian criticize Muslims about their irrational religion is like listening to alcoholics condemn Cocaine addicts.

As Al noted, history proves Christianity is no position to be lecturing Muslims and I think Al was being overly charitable in confining Christian inspired barbarism to the ancient past. For one example of multitudes, the state religion of the German nation during the Holocaust was Christianity, not Islam and the loathing of Jews to the point of exterminating them was fueled by centuries of extreme religious hate as inspired by barbarians, err Protestant hero's like Martin Luther. Again, I'll await the rebuttal that these weren't really "true" Christians that slaughtered the Jews but than you need to stop painting your own religion's broad brush in falsely caricaturing all Muslims as murderers.

Now if you're concerned about odd religions and you're concerned about women are treated, how about this Christian Bible dictum?

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. Do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

So if you're a Christian fundamentalist who believes in the literacy of Bible as many do, you believe that a woman was responsible for the fall of humankind, they have to shut their mouths, be submissive, and that women's salvation is through childbearing.

And you got the stones to scratch your head about Muslims not hanging personal pictures when your own religion invokes this demeaning patriarchal nonsense?
24 months ago: Mark:

The way I, a simple minded person, understands it, Jesus said nothing of the sort. Period.
24 months ago: To each his own. If you want to be religious or godless that's up to you.

No one belief system is superior to the other.

The atheist and agnostic stand on the same earth and on the same level as the idol worshiper, the fundamentalist religionist and the spaghetti monster believers.

Everyone comes to their own conclusion their own way.

It's nice to be able to be tolerant of others viewpoints without always feeling the need to spit venom at each other, judge or condemn.

Some humans have a nasty habit of pigeon-holing and generalizing all believers of something (or nothing) into little boxes or little categories of their own making. They like to think themselves as intellectually superior to others because they have it all figured out. They have thought it through and the other is just ignorant. Yeah, right.

The majority of Muslims I have met a nice and decent people. We worship different Gods but we can still be polite to each other, eat with each other, cry with each other and even pray for each other.

A person who has no spiritual underpinnings, or a person who believes they have cornered the market on the Truth and everyone else is wrong, may not understand how that works. But that's how it has to work for us all to survive on this planet.

I personally would have a tough time being a Muslim, too much insecurity in the relationship with the Creator.

Someone else may have a tough time coming to grips with being a Christian. Given a lot of the history and some of the shenanigans that go on in some churches, I can’t much blame them.

Another person may have trouble understanding an atheist. They look around and see things that for them cry out “this is not a cosmic accident; this is on purpose.”

We can’t lump all people who are called by a particular label into the same box and have peace with each other.

We all still have to live together.

Everyone has to make their own choices.
24 months ago: So, Christians were responsible for the holocaust. Nice point if true. However, claiming to be and actually being is two seperate things.

Just like you deep down inside are holding back your belief until you really need it. Cardiac Christian Alert.

Get a grip and realize the whole world does not revolve around the 10% of you and your population.
24 months ago: I agree Huey.

I'll just add Christians are no less sinners that atheists, agnostics or muslims. We are all sinners and all equal in G-d's eyes.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: I agree with Huey that we all have to share the same Earth. Most Muslims are good people, and most Christians are also. It is just the few true believers that blow themselves up, burn crosses and lynch blacks, and refuse to tolerate any other beliefs or ideas, that we have to worry about. Yes the world doesn't revolve around the 12% that are non religious, but neither does it revolve around the 30% that are Christians or the 22% that are Muslims. We all have to be tolerant of each other.

Red I think you are right that Jesus was more loving and less bloodthirsty and vengeful than the God depicted in the Old Testament and the Torah. I think the true early Christians (1st 300 yrs)were true liberal socialists, sharing everything, living in communes, and refusing to fight even if attacked. Their religion got hijacked and merged with the Jewish religion and the official religions of Rome to become the Roman Catholic Church, the official religion of the Roman Empire.

And yes Allah, the God of Islam, is the same harsh god of Abraham that today's Christians and the Jews worship. They just believe the chosen people came from a different son.

Siempre lives a good life because it is the right and moral thing to do and I live a good life because it is the right and moral thing to do. Does the threat of everlasting punishment make one better than the other?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: TCG,

Are you debating the fact that Christianity was the state religion of Germany and state tax was collected to pay for the Christian Churches and the clergy?

As I noted on another post, the German Protestant reformer Martin Luther wrote a antisemitic tirade titled "On the Jews and their lies" and it's call for violence against Jews was to be emulated by the Nazis and cited by German Christian Church leaders as justification:

"In Mein Kampf, Hitler listed Martin Luther as one of the greatest reformers. And similar to Luther in the 1500s, Hitler spoke against the Jews. The Nazi plan to create a German Reich Church laid its bases on the "Spirit of Dr. Martin Luther." The first physical violence against the Jews came on November 9-10 on Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) where the Nazis killed Jews, shattered glass windows, and destroyed hundreds of synagogues, just as Luther had proposed. In Daniel Johah Goldhagen's book, Hitler's Willing Executioners, he writes:

"One leading Protestant churchman, Bishop Martin Sasse published a compendium of Martin Luther's antisemitic vitriol shortly after Kristallnacht's orgy of anti-Jewish violence. In the foreword to the volume, he applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day: 'On November 10, 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany.' The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words 'of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews.'"

http://tinyurl.com/yoe7hu

The real religion of Hitler and his henchmen can be debated but he certainly played the Christian card to win over both the Catholics and Protestant masses - see:

http://tinyurl.com/ycuo7hu
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: Al,

...Most Muslims are good people, and most Christians are also....Does the threat of everlasting punishment make one better than the other?...

Kudos for your outstanding comments and although the New Testament (NT) reformulated the Old Testament (OT) God to be more 'progressive' and less barbaric, the religious right believes the entire Bible is the word of God, and that necessitates kluging the OT and NT Gods as one and the same. So the result is a three headed personage that not only authored & incited the barbarism of the OT, but also demands blood atonment and belief in the sacrificed son of god on the penalty of eternal damnation.

In fact, even Jesus doesn't claim the mantle of peace and tolerance, and he's quoted here:

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me"

Of course this contradicts one of the ten Commandments that the religious right loves to post on government property but never mind that.
24 months ago: The God of the New Testament is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Qu'ran says that God has no son.

They say, ‘God has begotten a son.’ God forbid! Self-sufficient is He. His is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Surely for this you have no sanction. Would you say of God what you know not?
—Qur’an 10:68

The God of the New Testament proclaims Himself as the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was begotten by Him. God the Father pronounced Jesus the Christ as His Son at His baptism and on many other occasions in the NT.

The God of the Muslims has no Son.

They are different Gods.

But that can be a story for another time.

24 months ago: The threat of eternal punishment doctrine bothers me to. I however have come to the conclusion that just because I don't like it or understand it, that does not mean it can be negated as a possible reality. I also know I am not in myself good enough to earn my way out of it either if a Righteous and Holy God does exist (which I believe).

Therefore, even if there is a remote possibility of a flaming hell, I want to make sure I ain't going.

I have confidence in Jesus as my Saviour. That may make me different than some others, but I am not going to take responsibility for Hitler, the Crusades and the KKK. They no more represent Christians than Qaddafi, Bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein represent all Islam.

As part of my understanding of the way things are, the possible reality of being cut off from God is something I take very seriously and want to avoid. The very possibility gives me an urgency to share my faith with others, to live a good life unto God, and to do my best to help as many people along the way as I can.

As far as Jesus dividing households and sending a sword, that only happens in households where people are either Christ bashers or so heavenly minded they are of no earthly good. You choose Him as He is and you will find opposition in your family. That can be a sword or it can be a cross to bear or both.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: “Siempre lives a good life because it is the right and moral thing to do and I live a good life because it is the right and moral thing to do. Does the threat of everlasting punishment make one better than the other?”

Altruist,

I’m so happy you brought that up. Because that is the essence of having faith in G-d. If one could only grasp that concept that doing good is our obligation and not some gift that we are bestowing then this world would be a perfect place to live. I’m who I am for better or worst because of how I interpreted the world around me. What makes me different than another next to me is my intentions.

This is why we can not lookdown on another’s good deeds, because there is no way to know why such a person did them. With wrong deeds it is universally easier to distinguish the motives because it is generally understood that people do not commit heinous acts for good. This is why modern Christians can’t wrap their heads around Muslim mercy killings and suicide bombers. Perhaps if you had asked Martin Luther than he would have been able to rationalize the concept a bit better but today’s Christianity does not bare any resemblance to that of the middle ages or the renaissance.

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: Another observation is that people do not worship the same god. Even in the same place of worship within a group that claim to have the same beliefs the god that, a person worships is a god that he has imagined and defined and conceptualized. That this individuals god bares a resemblance to another persons god has no foundation to make them the same god. The faith of an individual hangs on the attributes that he has been able to quantify about his personal deity.

For the agnostic or unbeliever this especially holds true because he has supposedly dis-availed himself of all such crutches but in so doing he has found himself with no need to hope for help from outside himself. Thus leaving himself in limbo of whitch he can only escape by reaching out to a higher source, one that he will not find because he is his own highest source and he doesn’t have all the answers.

A good example of this is the Jewish people who were brought out of Egypt. They were the sons of Abraham is true but they no more believed in the G-d of Joseph than the Egyptians did. They were brought up in Egypt. They were Egyptians. The G-d of Abraham did what he did to empress upon them how different he was then the idols they worshipped in Egypt.

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: It is a lesson that has been repeated through out time. It is the lesson of self reliance or trust in your maker. I trust in my maker not like a Christian trusts in Jesus or like a Muslim trusts in Allah. I trust in my maker as a matter of fact. It is a fact that I have come to accept not by revelation but by observation. All things come from some where and so somewhere in turm must have its origin as well and so I believe that I was made. It is really that simple.


My belief in Jesus is also very simple. The Jewish people had been told over and over again that sin has it’s consequences. They were reminded year after year and sacrifice after sacrifice that they were screwed. The atonements did not provide redemption, they provided a reminder of their flaws. Where did the forgiveness com from then? It came from the repented person asking for it and it was freely given to him. Believing in Jesus is no different.

It is G-d who forgives sins. Jesus is just a vehicle to that forgiveness. I don’t have to have been there nor do I even have to be convinced that Jesus is who he says he is. There were people who doubted in Jesus days too and they were healed and forgiven. Why? Because it is for the unbeliever that Jesus did what he did. It was for the faithless it was for those that lack that he came to provide. So if people like Mark Byrn have fallen of their perch and are tweeting for help G-d will hear them though the cry for help was not directed at him and if people like Altruist have not found enough to convince him of G-d then it is not his fault. G-d hears him too.

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: I am glad I believe in a G-d who saves me despite myself! Because I don’t always feel like going to heaven and I don’t always feel like doing good. Aspiring to be like the son of the Almighty, having a pattern to emulate deepens my conviction. I’m glad that his mercy and patience is infinite because it gives me courage to go on. I have no doubt that I will see people like Altruist and the rest of you in paradise. Because it is not what we belief that saves us from our sins it is our Creator G-d that does that!

G-d bless you all!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: Al, don't believe in this ethereal fantasy that SS is trying to sell you.

My avatar is actually my true form, and I'm an avarian manifestation of the creator of the universe with supernatural capabilities. If you trust in me and join my flock, you will share in my eternal kingdom.

If you doubt me, I can offer double the proof that SS might offer to prove the reality of his deity.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: Don't worry Mark, I am still a rock solid believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Speaking of Avatars, I think the Navi worship one of the FSM's many forms.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: That’s funny Mark, I don’t recall offering you salvation! I made no sales pitch nor asked you to join anything., as a matter of fact I said believe as you will you are already covered by G-d’s amazing sense of charity and compassion. Yet despite that you still feel compelled to act defensively. I wonder what the story behind that is? Were you a colporteur in your former Adventist life?
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: Don’t worry Altruist, right now I have enough faith for the both of us. Tomorrow might not be the case so go talk to that FSM and see if he won’t pour down some blessed marinara to give you faith for tomorrow, okay?
24 months ago: Everyone has their own choice. Blessed marinara. That's rich. (get it? rich. the sauce is rich??? nevermind).
everthecynic
everthecynic
24 months ago: HN,

LOL

K, next discussion.....
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ...I don’t recall offering you salvation...

My beak spiritually discerned that you were selling your version of Christianity, and that me and Al are covered by it even though I've allegedly fallen off the perch and Al is unconvinced.

A colporteur? Do Adventists hand out tracts like Jehovah's Witnesses?

It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress...Daniel J. Boorstin
24 months ago: Unfortunately there is not enough decency left in this world thanks to all of us.

Moving on.
kikki
kikki
24 months ago: Jesus came as the fulfillment of the law,as men could not obey the law of Moses.Men would rather sin and make sacrifices.God did not want that.So Jesus died on the cross to pay the price for our sinful flesh,so that we are not saved by works but by faith,by grace.

Muslims still live under the law.Therefore they are judged by that law.They do not understand that Jesus came to fulfill the requirements of the law.

Muslims want to keep their society free from the effects of sin,so you could say a hundred lashes is better then eternity in hell.I feel bad for them,as humans are all prone to sin,many are wrongly judged and punished.

It is not nice to poke fun of the way the women dress.Many Muslim women choose themselves to dress that way,being modest.They are not all forced too.Many do it by choice as part of their faith.I respect them for their modesty.

God is good,people are sinners.Faith is not wrong,people who want to twist around and use it to their own benefit are wrong.

We are called to love thy neighbor,that does not mean we have to agree.We should not focus on the negative aspects but rather on the positive.

Most Muslims are very kind and welcome any questions about themselves and their faith.So if you really want to know about why they dress that way,ask them.







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