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More Facts of a Christian Nation

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Do you want some more evidence or facts that America was founded on Christianity and Jesus' resurrection. I was ready to move on, but some of my Rant/Rave companions inadvertently encouraged me to dig in more.

(Read One Nation Under God written by Dr. James Kennedy. For this Rave, I borrowed from him.)


Christopher Columbus was motivated by Christian faith to make his journies. He said:

“No one should be afraid to take on any enterprise in the name of our Savior, if it is right and if the purpose is purely for his holy service”

His ship, the Santa Maria, was named for the mother of our Lord.

His first action once he landed in the "new world" was to erect a cross on the landing site. And guess what he called the island on which he landed "San Salvador". I speak no Spanish, but I understand it means something to the effect that "Christ on land that had never been exposed to the Gospel".

The Pledge of Allegiance was written to commemorate the 400th anniversary of Columbus’ voyage.

Even Norwegian Viking Leif Erickson around 1000 took a voyage with the first priest to Greenland to establish a church in Greenland and to preach the Gospel of Christ to the native people.

He was blown off course and landed in Nova Scotia.

Another fact why Christians came to America to spread Christianity was the Collapse of Byzantium.

In 1452, Ottoman Turks besiged the Christian city of Constantinople. The Muslim invaders destroyed, murdered, raped and imprisoned everyone there.

The Muslim invaders had the rest of Europe in their sights.

There was a fight brewing between Muslims and Christians.

Christians were looking west.

Pilgrims first self governing document, the Mayflower Compact referenced the Lord.

Charters were granted to settle America and referenced the Lord.

The people that came under those charters to work were Christians.

The Puritans followed. They created Commonwealths, and modeled a representative government based on their church covenants.

Puritans wanted to reform the Church of England while Pilgrims set out on their own.

John Wintrop lead a group of Puritans, and he said:

“Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work.”

Puritans had their own theological and political practices as well as written agreements for self government based on the Bible.

Settlers’ education was exclusively Christian and Bible based. During the first 200 years of our nation, education was thoroughly Christian.

The Bible was the school handbook. The New England Primer was the first school book. Guess what it included.

“A Lesson for Children:”

Pray to God. Call no ill names.
Love God. Use no ill words.
Fear God. Tell no lies.
Serve God. Hate lies.
Take not God’s Speak the Truth.
Name in Vain. Spend your Time Well.
Do not Swear. Love your School.
Do not Steal. Mind your Book.
Cheat not in your play. Strive to learn.

A
In ADAM’S Fall
We all sinned.
B
Heaven to find;
The Bible Mind.
C
Christ crucify’d
For sinners dy’d..."

Up until 1947, it was legal for states to have a state’s own religious beliefs.

America was a haven for Religious Dissidents.

Presbyterians were familiar with self government in their churches.

The settlers and founders of America were all Christian.

Great Awakening occurred just before the revolutionary war.

Key in the American Revolution was the "Black Regiment". Those were preachers and ministers in their black robes.

At least twice a year, colonial ministers preached about liberty.

Biblical Christianity was the driving force behind the key leaders of and after the American Revolution.

George Washington

Samuel Adams

Patrick Henry

Bishop Francis Asbury

Alexander Hamilton said:

“For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests”

The core belief of our country's founders was in man’s sinfulness.

The founders professed the Christian doctrine of original sin and insisting that this theological concept be incorporated into the new government through an elaborate system of checks and balances.

Benjamin Franklin stated:

“There is scare a king in a hundred who would not, if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh, get first all the peoples’ money, then all their lands and then make them and their children servants forever...”

Do you want an example where a revolution occurred and the founders did not insist on the Christian doctrine of orginal sin be incorporated into the new government? The French Revolution.

(Isn't it obvious?)

Do you know what the First Prayer in Congress included?

“..those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord....”

Okay, "other guys", your turn.

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31 months ago: By your own logic, the USA is a Spanish Monarchy. Nice One.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
31 months ago: Thank goodness the founding fathers had the wisdom to avoid turning the US into a European style theocracy. I hope future generations can be so wise.
31 months ago: When you are writing of the USA, Redstateguy, you might actually be confusing it with the Vatican.
31 months ago: Mecca:
Amen.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
31 months ago: You are welcome!

However I disagree with much of what you say here. The United States of America is not and should never be thought of as a Christian nation. We are a nation of many faiths and many beliefs, Christianity is simply one of a multitude. Protestant faiths of various sorts are predominant simply as a result of who invaded. If the Chinese had come across the Pacific, we would be engaged with ancestor worship or Buddhism. If the Turks had invaded this would be e predominantly Islamic nation.

The facts remain; the North American continent was invaded beginning in the latter years of the 15th century. Most of the population, around 90% according to some people died off in a series of plagues. The Europeans (mostly, the Spanish, French and Great Briton.) colonized this now (mostly) empty continent and in doing so they imported their customs, their language(s) and of course their religion(s.)

God did not give us this land, we came and took it, then used God as a scapegoat.

If I were God, I'd be pissed about that!
31 months ago: MA, how true.

I posted to the last RSG rave on this subject and hope you go there to read it as well as this one.

RSG, none of your "facts" support your theory, they are all just observations of individual historical facts, no documentation of anything other than general lip service to an idea. These people came here to escape persecution because their beliefs were not those of their neighbors and to escape that situation, they had to find a place where there were no neighbors and where else could they do that? Not in Europe or Asia, they had to go west because that was the only unknown land that had sufficient resources to support them without the local governments resources in manpower and money.

The meat of the matter is that many of the founders of this country were Christians. Please remember that your Rave is about the founding of this country, not the origination of the colonies nor the commonwealths before it. 1775 is a good year to begin looking for documentation of how this country was born and what documents were used and how and why they were written the way they were. These men, the founders, had studied history, they had a good grasp of what it meant to be under the cruel hand of an established religion, any established religion and they knew that the country they wanted to live in and to help found, needed to be free of that yoke. They wrote the documents that we live by and they argued over what they said and how they said it, with a better grasp of the written word than you or I will ever have. Remember that in that time period, people spoke a bit differently, lots of hidden meaning and inference to other lines of thought, almost in a riddle.
31 months ago: The words they wrote are very potent, much more than mine will ever be, I believe in those words, spent a career defending them and helping to carry them to other peoples. I left my religious beliefs out of my work and after many more years of observing the world and mankind upon it, out of my life. I don’t miss it, the singing maybe but I can do that on my own, same as any religious thoughts or actions, I can do them on my own.

I do not, nor would I ever support any action that might cause any religion to be thrust upon the people of this or any other nation. That also goes for any beliefs or other tenants or anything that “appears” to be religious belief based. Morality has nothing to do with religion, as stated before, no man needs religion to be a moral person or even a just one. This country needs many moral and just men, none of them need to profess a religious belief to be judged to be acceptable as such and I hope it always stays that way.

Time to get outside and do some chores.
31 months ago: Another bit of trivia, Lief Erikson converted to a "Christian" religion (not one you would understand) at the behest of his king and was asked to spread the word of this religion in his travels. This conversion and "mission" were part of his deal to get the king to fund and or authorize his voyages. Maybe there was a minister on board, it still wasn't a voyage to establish a Christian nation and especially not the USA.
31 months ago: Don't feel bad RSG. The 'Duke' wasn't a Christian until he was breathing his last few. Why does everyone keep reading 'founding fathers'? The read is 'FOUNDERS'.
31 months ago: Cypress:
Thank goodness. I've circled the wagons and I've been waiting on the calvary.
31 months ago: Sometimes less is more.
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: So in actuality it can be argued the christians spread not only the reach God but of Syphillis & Gonorrhea?...right?

Yeah, Christians.
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: Your not trying for law school are you, cuz I gotta tell ya, this isn't firm ground your standing on.
31 months ago: ...and the Measles and Mumps and chicken pox and Whiskey and Rifles and horses and etc. I never once said human beings were perfect. Humans are actually quite defective. God made us that way.
Other than what's in the library, law school teaches you absolutely nothing.
31 months ago: ...Except the law.
31 months ago: Yammer, Half of the lawyers always lose. I wouldn't call a flip of the coin firm ground either.
31 months ago: Greg:
Amen. You absolutely said it best.

Come on Dangerranger:

What's the law got to do with it?
Liberal judges are kings that don't care a flip about law. They only care about policy and what they think is best for us illiterate commoners.
You really don't think the LAW makes any difference to those king, black robe, liberal judges do you?
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: CG in a manner of speaking half do but this is an almost mute point someone HAS to lose and hung juries don't last long. And seriously are you not seeing the lacking of ability here from Red or are you just as "logical and well read"?
Red, I get people aren't perfect but your arguments are certainly not following any empirical, consistent thought processes. In ANY argument you've made, that I've seen. You go on supposition and chucking bits of remarks and stereotypes into the wind and we're all expected to just say,'OH, yeah, I get it, that works, your right". Law school also teaches logical argument and delivery of coherent evidence to dissect a situation and present it, so that an outsider can experience what more than likely happened, irrefutably.
Are you a conspiracy theorist in the extreme?! You don't live in a rabbit hole in the desert do ya?
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: Gregoire, "divine impetus" is all they had back then as an explanation for what life was, at that time. Back then they still used leeches and thought cats the devil's pet. In the 1800's folks thought tomatoes were poisonous 'til a guy stepped onto the courthouse steps in Camden N.J. (I believe) and ate one in front of the citizenry. Within a 100 years span we've gone from horse and carriage to the Moon and then some, while simultaneously having some scientists saying that microwaves, cell phones... are not achievable, thank quantum physics for such things. Even THE founder of the Theory of evolution, Paul Wagner (I believe, not so much Darwin and Zoolady will know better than I) after rendering out the mountain of evidence in favor of evolution stated or created "creationism" saying it must all be a plan from god, unfortunately. And lest we forget the Inquisition Saturday night sports sessions throughout Europe, the Vatican holding Galileo under house arrest forever...Things change because our grasp of our reality & knowledge banks assist them in that, ignorance only makes and keeps life difficult. Maybe they were divinely inspired to have created it this way, by accepting ALL religions and NOT making it a Christian nation? What if that's a message from on high, like the guy trapped by a flood who wouldn't accept help from anyone, he was waiting for a sign from above, he ends up dying and goes to Heaven, where he asks why did no sign ever come and St. Peter says,"I sent you three people in rafts and all of them you refused help from"....
31 months ago: Yammer:
It's late and you always through out a bunch to digest; however, law professors NEVER practiced law. They are mostly elite liberals who think they know it all. They have never had to make and overhead, and they know NOTHING about the practice of law.
Good night.
No, I mean..good night.
31 months ago: Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Don't know who said it but it fits with your line of thinking on law professors! Which I agree with. Unfortunately it is that way in a lot of things that require innovators and new thought processes. Or maybe that is fortunate?? Those that can think on their feet and dream up solutions to problems as they come up, should be the ones out there doing the work and those who can teach the basics to others, even if they can't apply them themselves, should be in the classroom.

Of course that is a bit off topic but an interesting tidbit.

It does apply well to the guy trapped by a flood, must have been a teacher!
31 months ago: YB, ain't no deserts east of the Mississippi so probably not going to find RSG under a rock in one, top of a mountain maybe, but no sand.
31 months ago: Once when I was up on Rocky Top, looking for a moonshine still......
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: Oh good 6, this might explain the deft ability to argue. >Ahert<. I drifted a bit but was busy as I tried wrap it up. I'd also like to make an EDIT: it should've been "moot" and not "mute", that I used above in that last statement.

Red my cousin is a lawyer, a top-notch one at that and he never was an Elitist nor is anyone else in my family, in fact the whole family is blue-collar and worked hard to see their kids got better than their immigrant up-bringings. Yunno that apple-pie story.
And once again nice point, is the corner drugstore where ya'll watch fox news?
31 months ago: YB, The foxes have a news channel? Must be where they find all the chickens to eat! Just joshing ya. I actually don't watch the news, haven't for years, last real story I watched was 9/11 and that was because it was EXTREMELY important. Did get a newspaper for a few years but the paperboy kept throwing it in a mud puddle (only one within 100 ft) so put a stop to it. Most of my news comes from the radio or internet searches or once in a while someone will stop by with a tidbit or two and then there is this site...

For now we don’t even have TV, had to shut the satellite down to save money and haven’t put up an antenna for the free stuff yet.

Until my kids started graduating from college there were three college degrees in the family, my oldest sister (she was past 35 when she got it) and a niece and a nephew, we are a blue collar family too. Now there are six degrees, my two daughters have bachelors and I have an associates, someday oldest son will have a degree too, youngest son starts in the fall. Soon they will be getting their share of that pie! I’m not, I’ll be drawing disability till it turns into social security, me and some conduit, wire and a ladder put an end to my working days in 2005.
31 months ago: American Pie? What happened to the American Dream?

31 months ago: Redstateguy, the fact that you deride judges as kings who don't give a flip about the law should indicate the worthlessness of your appeal to the authority of another judge who, you say, supports your "Christian Nation" beliefs.

Judges are right if they agree with you, otherwise they don't have legitimate authority. Hurray for your Christian theocracy of the USA,



31 months ago: Jack, are you real? Do you even have a basic level of Judeo/Christian law? What you call the 'Judge' is not the judge. IT is the administrator. The jury of tweleve combined are the single 'Judge' or 'Judges'. I will repeat for those that can't understand it. The 12 are the FACT FINDERS. The one is the administrator.

Comprende'

Bring the arguements on that rule.
31 months ago: Can't afford the dream, have to settle for a piece of the pie.
31 months ago: Very much real, Sir.

You have dodged off on a tangent here, The Cypress Gang. I sought to point out the hypocrisy of Redstateguy in his appeal to the authority of judges, only when they agree with him, and dismissing them otherwise. This has nothing to do with whom you think is "judge" or not.

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Nevertheless, getting back to the new, interesting issues you raised.

In non-jury trials, judges decide questions of fact. In all trials, judges decide question of law.

You say that what I call the judge is not the judge. You ought to tell the Supreme Court "administrators" this, sometime, and get the Constitution revised while you are at it.

It would be terribly amusing to have the jurors (what you call judges) hand down their written findings on constitutional law issues.

I am talking about the law of the USA, not this "Judeo/Christian Law" you are talking about. Is that something like Sharia Law - a law that comes out of a holy text?

Perhaps it comes from the not-biblical "Book of Not Judges but Administrators, like Not Solomon, who did Not refer to a Jury" that tells us about the American Constitution and the English Common Law and the European Civil Law, and the jury of twelve peers making findings of fact, but not of law, unless the judge is making findings of fact. Because I can't find the reference in the Bible to all this.
31 months ago: Once again you show you have no idea or knowledge of judeo/christian law. SCOTUS is not a court of judges. It is a government tribunial of the appointed few.
31 months ago: So, you don't recognize the Constitution? The POTUS must not be the real President, either. Is the USA even real? You are welcome to secede to Judeo/Christian land where the laws of the Old Testament override democracy.



I am talking about the actual law in the real country of the USA. You can tell us about this other country that you think we should be talking about.
Where's this country with the Judeo/Christian law.
31 months ago: REMINGTON:
You are showing your colors.
Unless I am mistaken, you are either perhaps inadvertently ignoring facts that do not fit your preconceptions or deranged.

1. The Judges WERE making an observation 100 years ago. They said it, not me. If you will read it again, I just repeated what they said.

2. Many Judges have become Kings in the past 100 years. It started with FDR. This is a new phaenomenon. Okay?
Our legal system is being changed away from the rule of law. Do you understand now?

What hypocrisy?

YAMMER:
I said the "Judges" can be elitists, not the lawyers. A small part of it is black robe syndrome. They think they are kings and they know what is best. The law does not have to be followed.
31 months ago: Oh, yes I see. A good-old judge who asserts the fact that Christianity trumps the constitution and rules the USA is a proper judge, upholding the rule of "law".

Those so-called "judges" who judge otherwise are just kings who think they know best, just because it is their job to rule on the laws of the nation, as the constitution requires. You won't have any truck with these scalawags.
31 months ago: Judges really should keep their noses out of people's business, and do as the Chosen Christian people of the Good Lord command them, rather than being so high and mighty as to judge controversies of law after hearing the best arguments from both sides as that silly old Constitution requires.
31 months ago: JACK:
Huh?
Now, you're making stuff up.
Who said anything about trumping the Constitution?
Most everything that lead up to the Constitution was based in Christianity.
You maybe should also read the Constitution.
31 months ago: If you are a Christian, you would have to believe that the law revealed in the Bible must trump these "Kings', yes? Any non-Christians would just have to lump it.

So when the Constitution installs 'judges' who are required to rule on controversies according to the law, rather than according to the Bible, I think you have to call them out for their departure from the Bible and for departing from the rules of your Christian Nation.

When the Constitution was drafted, was it was mainly a process of sitting down and copying things out of the Bible?


31 months ago: Jack:
I appreciate the dialogue.
I luring you in my direction.

My understand of Christianity is different. Jesus said in
Matthew chapter 22, verse 21: "They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Christians have to follow the government's laws.

The Bible has nothing to do with what the Judge's are doing. The Judges think they know best and damn the law.

The crucial people who wrote the Constitution did it through Christian glasses.

Now, are you going to vote for President Palin now?
31 months ago: If her glasses were made by Christians, maybe.
YammeringBuoy
YammeringBuoy
31 months ago: Red, you seriously need to seek help and medication, we were talking about lawyers, read your post it was about lawyers to which you referred, it was lawyers and or law school, I brought up. In conclusion it was Law and Lawyers that was the topic at that point in the exchange.
And Jack, You rock! as does Zoolady, Mecca,6holdens and anyone else who has managed to use the gray matter in their skulls to not only keep their ears apart but for Reason and Intelligence and NOT sci-fi perceived, over-dramamtic, pseudo-philosophical and what ever else, these two others have come to spout on about. Congrats, evolution is winning.
31 months ago: YABBER DABBA DOOOO.

I am obviously inarticulate; therefore, I apologize.
Here's the point.
Many, many Judges think they are Kings and the law can be changed if they think it should be changed. They don't need the legislature.

Law Professors, while intelligent, have no practical experience, therefore, Law School teaches you NOTHING about the practice of law.

There should be a PERIOD now.

And I am cut from a different cloth from you and your socialist/liberal/global warming...er..uh...global cooling...uh...er... climate change buddies.
31 months ago: Hey, thanks for the nice compliment, YammeringBuoy. I have enjoyed your point of view, too, and I must grudgingly admit, the views of the proponents of the "other side".
31 months ago: Jack, how can you even ask such a question...

So, you don't recognize the Constitution? The POTUS must not be the real President, either. Is the USA even real?

I strongly beleive in the Constitution. POTUS? The President has nothing to do with the Constitution other than being in office. The POTUS is in what branch? SCOTUS is in what branch? Are ther related?

The SCOTUS has only one job. To deliberate and rule OPINION of their understanding of the Constitution. That's it.
They do not and have never ruled in guilt or innocence.

Have you a single instance in the entire SCOTUS that show they ruled in guilt or innocence? No, they only uphold or overturn verdicts based on interpretation of the
Constitution.
31 months ago: So, TCG, you strongly believe in the Constitution, but seem to begrudge the Supreme Court's constitutionally required role in it. What is more, you don't see that the President has much of a place in the Constitution.

Since you still say you like the Constitution, I guess you must really like the parchment it is written on.

When you ask about branch, are you talking about the executive branch (the President is in this branch) and the judicial branch (the courts are in this branch)?

I don't see that anyone on this page has claimed that the Supreme Court has been, or should, be convened as a criminal court, ruling on guilt or innocence. So, I don't know what the point you are making is. Do you want the Supreme Court to do this, to make them more legitimate, in your view?

I understand you have a gripe with the Constitution and courts. You don't like an appointed tribunal of the select few deciding constitutional law controversies. The opposite of an appointed legal elite is, I think, a multitude of elected politicians without the need for any aptitude for law, but with a need to please their constituents and do deals. These people are the Senate and Congress.

Do you want SCOTUS judges to be elected politicians? Or do you want elite religious judges appointed by proper religious law, or something similarly Shariah? Do you want interpretation of the constitution carried out by popular vote? (Please, please, don't say 'yes'.)

If you want the Christian Constitution changed to reflect your views of what the Christian founding fathers actually had in mind, you can propose an amendment so that Christians, or firefighters, or wonderful elected senators, or whomever you like decides questions of Christian constitutional law, in the Christian States of America.

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