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Margaret Sanger turns over. Planned Parenthood defunded.

Posted 15 months ago|42 comments|872 views
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For those of you that are not familiar with the "ROOTS" of planned parenthood. It was founded by Margaret Sanger. Margaret Sanger was a staunch Eugenicist.

Yep! Sanger was a firm believer that some people do not need to be born. Most likely the ones that she choose not to be born can be found in and near the locations that Planned Parenthood has setup shop.

Mostly minority areas.

Today the house voted 240-185 with 11 Democrats voting for the defunding of Planned Parenthood.

What a great day in the neighborhood!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/021...
The House just approved Rep. Mike Pence's amendment to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood, checking off a hot-button social issue even as it set up a bigger showdown over defunding the health care law.
Pence, of Indiana, touched off a vicious back-and-forth Thursday night in which Republicans insisted the organization is too aggressive about performing abortions and several Democrats charged that the GOP was waging a "war on women.

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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: Your title isn't correct - a House vote don't make it law; Senate, President, veto, override veto 2/3rds - sorry charlie.
15 months ago: OK. Does the President create funding law? No? Does the Senate create funding law? No? What is the only body that can create appropriation bills that meet the requirements of the Constitution? The House? OH NO????
15 months ago: Mark if the title is incorrect you should delete the post. But be ready to explain how it is incorrect. The House defunded Planned Parenthood today. The House of Representatives is the only body allowed by the Constitution to create appropriations bills. You want to argue that? If the House said no today, it was infact defunded. Are you hoping that the Senate will make amendments and return it to the House for approval?

Still looking for a dog that can hunt?

Sorry those days are long past. RSG and I warned everyone a very long time ago. You guys want to start another (post 2010) uprising? Fine. We're ready for your game.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: US Constitution: "Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law."

You're right that the House originates revenue bills but they're not law until the process is completed as above and it's signed into law. In the end, you might get what you want but to say they're defunded isn't true at this point.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: What I want to know is, why would a bunch of racist whitey cracker pinkies even care that Planned Parenthood targets black babies? If they really are racist white supremacists, wouldn't it be easier to let them die in the womb, rather than have to deal with the expense of incarcerating them later?
15 months ago: I counter your question with mine...

What I want to know is why the U.S. Congressional Black Caucus wants to eliminate black babies instead of incarcerating them in the future?
15 months ago: I hope Harry Reid tries to keep it off the floor of the Senate. If it somehow makes it past the Senate I hope Obama vetos it.

We are going to have so much fun in the next 21 months.

Yep! Force votes. Force alliances. Only time will tell. Still not on the Tea Party mail list, eh?
15 months ago: What Cypress Said.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: Me? Nah, never been much of joiner. I support much of what the TEA Party stands for. But I'll still stand back and watch from a distance. When it comes time to put my shoulder to the wheel, I'll be there.
15 months ago: Er...uh...outta....You just described a tea partier....except it's now time to help with the heavy lifting.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: I'm there.
15 months ago: Have fun with this little tid bit...

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/02/1...
Feb. 18 (UPI) -- The Texas Senate has approved a law requiring women in the state to be offered a fetal sonogram and hear a fetal heartbeat before having an abortion.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: I'm against abortion unless the Mother is in jeopardy. My cousin had 7 kids and the last one had adhesions around its neck, and it was either the mother or the baby, which is a cruel choice to have to make. The baby was saved. The Father had to raise the kids alone. Sad. Also I'm not a big fan of the Tea Party. From the actions of those that were constantly in the media how can anyone look at them and say they make sense. They already proved they are completly without common sense and not educated in political history. I don't go around saying I am. I learn a lot from all of you. When they openly make incorrect statements and expect the public to believe them, how misleading is that. They showed that side of who they are.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: I really don't even like the word abortion. So many people abuse it.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Let me correct myselft. I was trying to say that the cord was wrapped around the babies neck and the Mother had adhesions. Bad any way you put it.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: I'm against abortion unless the Mother is in jeopardy. My cousin had 7 kids and the last one had adhesions around its neck, and it was either the mother or the baby, which is a cruel choice to have to make. The baby was saved. The Father had to raise the kids alone. Sad. Also I'm not a big fan of the Tea Party. From the actions of those that were constantly in the media how can anyone look at them and say they make sense. They already proved they are completly without common sense and not educated in political history. I don't go around saying I am. I learn a lot from all of you. When they openly make incorrect statements and expect the public to believe them, how misleading is that. They showed that side of who they are.
15 months ago: Dang it, I can't believe you guys were left alone in this room for so long: look at it, it's a disaster! Now if you don't clean up this mess and organize your room, I will have to spank you...pelt you with birth control pills.

Really, the only way to do population control, since over population is much worse of an oncoming disaster than climate change, is to tie a tourniquet around the peep and stop it from thinking.

One child per family...you try telling that to my daughter...although I have always thought: you want an abortion? Fine with me, but not in my family!

Abortion sucks. No duh. Having one is evidence of a major screw-up, and it is perceived by many that unwanted pregnancies lead to worse problems down the road than the hurt feelings people feel about abortions. And it is the high moral stance you have that is rooted in feelings that justify your position against abortion. That is to be respected.

But, still, people feel, generally, that while abortion sucks, there is a greater benefit to society that occurs when the pregnant person feels like she cannot go on, and smudges the heart beat. Maybe people should get a pass on their first abortion, but after that, they gotta put the subsequent unwanted births up for adoption to 1) clamp down of those who are repeat aborters in order to, 2) strike a balance between you guys who are appalled at the idea of killing a potentially viable fetus, and the rest of us who never met the little fella, and use that distance to justify our fetalcide: if you'd just step back for a moment, and take a look at the big picture, you won't see that little hand in the corner waving furiously in the fluid, and understand where we come from...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: With birth rates among both blacks and whites being below sustainable levels, overpopulation is not a concern of those requiring the lion's share of abortions performed in the US. And maybe, just maybe, if abortions weren't so readily available as a last line of defense, (or a first defense in too many cases) perhaps people would think twice before getting themselves into a really bad situation. But of course, no one is advocating a return to more primitive things, such as morals. Sex is just so darn fun!!! There's plenty of time to worry about ripping an un-anesthetized dismembered body from its first and last refuge. Or no need to worry at all.
15 months ago: Over population? Has anyone driven across Nebraska? If we utilized the waste from one state I imagine we could feed 50+ Canada, if we utilized the waste of the US we could feed the world! We simply don't care.... and would rather kill.... for any reason!

But sex is at the top reason today.
15 months ago: Irresponsible people always look for escape hatches when things mess up. Killing an innocent life due to "adult" irresponsibility should be repudiated by any rational person.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: On a train to Colorado, going through Nebraska, I had the same thoughts.
15 months ago: Hi TCG. Been on vaca and a little late here, Thank you for bringing this to the community here.

I know some folks don't like it, but that's their problem. This legislation is designed to save lives, not snuff them out. Just the fact that those devils out there don't want the heartbeat to heard tells you something.

These killers know exactly what they are doing and now they are fighting to keep the butcher shop in tact, their pockets full and the world less populated by those they feel are "undesirables."

BTW - going to original Mater is a nice "re-birth".
15 months ago: So the bait was set and now the trolling rigs are starting to get strikes...

Good one TCG. Anybody who goes and starts making ridiculous comments like this one opens the hypocrisy door:

"These killers know exactly what they are doing and now they are fighting to keep the butcher shop in tact, their pockets full and the world less populated by those they feel are "undesirables.""

Yeah this comment can now be applied to the way the Americans go around to other countries with our military and deal with the "undesirables," and it is simply a matter of perspective who the undesirable is: if you are a nationalist, America First type, then you see people in other countries as undesirables, especially if they happen to be sitting on natural resources we want, and if you are from on of these countries, I'll bet you wouldn't see yourself as undesirable, in the same way the fetus wouldn't.

Roe V. Wade grew out of the imperialistic tendencies our so-called capitalist-democracy allows, if not promotes: the idea that, if you can think of it, then go do it, if you think you can get it, then try and take it, and if you think you got it, then kill it, or use it up, whichever. Carpe diem, manifest destiny, go west, and so on has not stopped the desire to do whatever we dang please, and so long as we're in Iraq, a war of choice, we'll be pro-choice over here in the states too.

Now how 'bout that execution...the fetus didn't deserve it but the rapist-killer did: hmm, religious types justify that and other types killing, even though it is said by your god leader all killing is wrong -- all-- you are not supposed to be the judge about taking life, apparently, but you have selective hearing and pick and choose what you want to hear, which is just fine so long as you admit to it.
15 months ago: "Yeah this comment can now be applied to the way the Americans go around to other countries with our military and deal with the "undesirables..."

You can apply it any way you want, but that focus has nothing to do with what I'm speaking to. I was speaking specifically to in-utero genocide.

As far as ridiculous, I don't think so.

Their is a larger agenda and they are making money in the process. You have to be ignorant or blind not to see that.

Hypocrisy on my part, where?

I've written a couple of pieces recently where I bring attention to folks using pseudo-science, religion and racism to exploit and oppress others.

Wrong is still wrong.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: "That execution"....Big difference there is that the fetus didn't willfully "do" anything to deserve being killled. Killing one fetus is not going to deter another fetus from allowing itself to be created. If anything, abortion seems to encourage the creation of new fetuses. I don't htink fetuses have time to consider the fact that being in the womb is considered a capitol offense.

"Iraq war"....We are going to justify one murder with another? Because people are being murdered in other areas and stages of life, it makes abortion acceptable?
15 months ago: I am far from suggesting that there is any justification for killing, and that I was saying that it's hypocritical to support execution and the "pro-choice" Iraq war if people take the hard-line anti-abortion stance. Killing should be reserved for putting food on the dinner plate.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: That's so true. It really kills me when a child is sacrificed and not even given a chance in this World to be nurtured and loved. Life is a gift and a new baby deserves and has a right to its gift. Not that this World is getting any better to live in.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
15 months ago: 95% of the funding for Planned Parenthood goes for alternatives to abortion like contraceptives and education.

As happens with most of the right wing's short sighted bumper sticker cures to complex problems, their elimination of the alternatives to abortion will increase the numbers of abortions.

Much of their current budget slashing will also have terrible consequences. Job's programs will be cut, people will be laid off, more people will loose their homes and the economy will tank again.

Of course that is exactly what the Republicans want to do is destroy the country, because they believe that a bad economy will make Obama unelectable.

I don't think the majority of people are that stupid. When the Republicans insist on throwing money at the super rich h tax cuts, while declaring war on the poor and middle class. People will see that the Republicans don't care about, babies (elimination of WIC programs) or the lives of the women whose lives are endangered by their pregnancy.

Their #1 priority is defeating Obama. Their #2 is to shift all of the money even further to the rich and the mega corporations who need it the least.
15 months ago: I couldn't have said it better myself.

Now this is not to break the fragile acquaintances I've made with the progenitors of this thread here and elsewhere, but when faced with searing critique of the truth, what other options do I have?

It's not like the philosophy of Conservatism is being attacked, it's the superficial motives of those who happen to be currently elected as our representatives in government that is being attacked for their sole, #1 goal of removing Obama from office, as opposed to actually working together to make the world a better place not only for the rich, but also for their farm-animal-people.

Think of it like this: when it's dinner, and someone shows up, you always figure a way to feed them without making it look like a problem: the old saying is something like 'you can always feed one more mouth...' implying that if another...and then another shows up, you make do.

Well with the rich, they flip this idea on its head and say: well the farm animals did OK last year on 1,000 bales of hay, let's cut it 10% over the next year and see how they do. They determine they are still OK after the year eating less, so again the next year they cut the feed by another 10%, and find they don't need to clean out the stalls as often either -- what a bonus!

The party of the corporations is totally unconcerned with the quality of life of the farm animals, so long as they cane sustain them minimally with as little disruption/ complaints as possible. Hence the lack of care for the welfare of the least amongst us: and I am not talking about the 99ers so much as I am talking about the congenitally poor and disenfranchised -- you know, the ones born into a world that looks up hill to them, the whole way.

Now this is not to say the little people that we are, and our brothers and sisters who are conservative republican little people, are all just like the elected representatives who partay with the corporations on both sides of the aisle: they're not.
15 months ago: Cont'd

In fact the little people who are right of center are just like you and me, except for the fact their moral stance is the one the power brokers use to defend their hold and accrual of power, while our moral stance is a formulation of what's neede to take that power from them so the goats don't keep getting a 10% cut in hay each year. The little people conservatives fight their little people liberals over these "notions" of left vs. right, all the while we all get 10% less hay.

Therefore, Box, TCG and RSG, I believe we are all in the same boat with each other fight on which side to row from, when in fact we should be asking: how did we get in this dingy in the first place, who built such a lame boat, and what are we gonna do to get out of it and back onto dry land where we can get a "footing" on living our lives free from the control of the power brokers?

I believe what we have in common is our life situation, and that our differences are quite similar, maybe we should do more show and tell to demonstrate this. And of course, I don't want abortion to be minimized as an important issue, but it has nothing to do with our lives as the farm animals and the big picture of being completely at the behest of the power brokers: note there's exceptions to every rule, and here I'm talking about the mass of 300 million Americans, and not those few who are self-reliant, and want to ditch this corporate babysitter.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
15 months ago: "95% of the funding for Planned Parenthood goes for alternatives to abortion like contraceptives and education."

....and apparently teaching teaching pimps and prostitutes and child sex purveyoors how to circumvent the system and the law. This is not a problem of right and left, no matter how much it is spun as such. It's a problem of right and wrong.
15 months ago: Ain't it funny Box how they try to politicize everything? Why is it that if you take moral high road it has to be fueled by some type of political or even religious motivation or agenda?

One should fight for what is right politics be hanged, religion be hanged. There are certain things that are right and certain things that are wrong. Moral relativism is the philosophy of fools.

If more folks thought like that all this bi-partisan nonsense and power struggle would be eliminated. In the long run lives would be saved, oppression and exploitation would be on the downswing and we all would finally be headed in the right direction as a people and not as all these various cliques.

BTW- that "statistic" is pure horse stank.

If the folks truly seeking help and alternatives were in fact being properly educated as to ALL the facts involved and not being denied specific information which goes against PP's agenda, the rate of abortions would not just decline, it would plummet. And we know they don't want that.
15 months ago: Uhh...What? "...in fact being properly educated as to ALL the facts involved..."

I'm sorry, but what factual education are you talking about? Since when have there ever been any facts in thus clash of opinions?

Talk about moral relativism: your people think the "pro-choice" war in Iraq is justified, what with the 1 million+ who've died in the last 8 years. Your people think the "America First" slogan is justified, despite the fact we need to garrison troops in 100 countries to back up that slogan, killing and ruining lives so we, 5% of the world's population, can consume 30% of the world's annually extracted natural resources. Your people are willing to play the obstructionist in politics to the detriment of the country, so that you can push as hard as possible to achieve one goal, regardless of the negative consequences, and that is get back in power of the presidency: if dems ever did that you'd be screaming bloody murder, being the extreme moral relativists your side is also.

It is utter hypocrisy for you to claim you're not morally relative to the core by simply hanging onto an opinion that the fetus' rights are equal to the mothers' rights: there are countless ways you are morally relative but try and hide behind this abortion issue as if you weren't.

American imperialism has ruined millions of lives all over the world, but since it serves your interests, you don't care, America First, you say. We have caused untold suffering in our pursuit of maintaing our consumer culture and super-power status, but you don't care, in fact you might like to vote for a neo-con to run the presidency to focus all the more on America's interests at the expense of the rest of the world. The fact you don't care about this, but you care to the extreme, about a mass of growing cells that will have the potential form a person, is moral relativism.
15 months ago: In order for you to know what I care or don't care about, you need to read what I've written here and elsewhere. Obviously you have not because you paint me as an advocate of US imperialism and then go off onto another tangents which have no reflection on my sentiments whatsoever. Gross generalizations without one shred of evidence to support your claims as to how I do or don't see things. Talk about trolling. Sheesh!

You don't know who I voted for in any election yet you pretend that you do so you can paint me into a nice little pigeon hole. Guess what? I don't fit.

Talk about prejudiced. How many times did you used the phrase "you people", "your people", "your side", etc. in your last benign retort? Simply amazing.

As far as the facts...please. Women that walk into those clinics are not being told the whole truth about what's going on and you know it. If you don't you really need to examine this issue more thoroughly.

There is purposeful intent as to why specific information is not being delivered up front. That is a dishonest and exploitative tactic. Talk about women' rights, they have a right to know the whole truth about this grisly and vile business.

Everyone in the PP Board Room knows that the cash register rings every time a woman breaks the beam going into their clinics. The care for the mother or the child is not in the forefront of that organization's thinking at all.

Nor is it in the thinking of those that would deny the unborn child any rights whatsoever.
15 months ago: Ah! But, your not asking the question that will force the truth.

I wonder who was the recipient of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of U.S. government grants under the National Endowment for the Arts? Could it infact be a goat farmer that couldn't get enough private sector tickets sold to privately fund their folly dance? How much was their "Take"? Yep. I said it.

It's hard to be a hypocrite when your on or have been the dole.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Right.
15 months ago: Never got an NEA Grant, which is quite a feather in one's cap.

You keep saying "...couldn't get enough private sector tickets sold to privately fund their folly dance." and other things about philanthropy. You didn't like it when I pointed out the Koch brothers are the biggest funders of the NYC Ballet, which also receives public funding.

And your disdain for philanthropy is rude to R&R, which solicits donations: where's your rant about R&R fundraising, where they state: "Thank you for considering a contribution to RantRave.com! We rely on the kind financial support of our community to provide a unique and open forum for discussion."

Granted the thing you are trying to drive home is the inappropriateness of public funding for non-profits, but you are conflating that with a slur about non-profits not being able to make it on their own without external donor gifts: this is ignorant as a major economic sector in the US is the non-profit sector where donors give to non-profits in lieu of giving so much to the taxman.

You are also just slinging unrelated **** at me and avoiding the discussion above: at least Huey has decent arguments/ points and can rest on them.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
15 months ago: What I meant to say is that when 80% of the people want the two parties to cooperate on the most pressing issue - jobs, and then Republicans go off on a meaningless tangent to please their base, and do nothing about jobs (except eliminate government jobs and job training programs, it will hurt them.

When people see the hypocrisy of insisting on giving $800 Billion to the rich while claiming to care about the deficit by slashing anything that helps the poor and middle class, while refusing to cut the major culprits (Defense, the tax cuts to the rich, and Medicare) people will blame the real culprits, the Republicans. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2...

This is very similar to what is happening in Wisconsin The budget was scheduled to be balanced until the Republicans insisted on giving $117 million to their corporate sponsors and then they blame the unions for a deficit.

It is not about preventing abortions, or about the budget, it is a war on American Women, the poor, and the Middle Class.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Exactly, Huey.

They got to stop that guy in Wisconsin for starters because this will be just the beginning of the end for all collective bargaining power. Slowly but surely they will take the rights away from the people in the private sector too. Sure, isn't it ironic. Take the power from the people by leaving us helpless and dependentd upon a bunch of losers in office. We certainly outnumber them. I don't know where they get their audacity.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: It seems everyone has a valid point to make with concerns to abortion.
15 months ago: Valid points, yes.

However, somewhere along the line there needs to be some type of consensus. We must stop dehumanizing the baby in order to absolve folks of the guilt and pain that should naturally go along with the consequences of intentionally destroying innocent life.

I recognize that there are times when tough and heart wrenching decisions have to be made regarding the safety of the mother or child or both or other such extenuating circumstance. However the overwhelming and vast number of abortions have NOTHING to do with those types circumstances.

Yes abortion is legal. That's the way it is.

Folk throw around the word "fetus" as if that makes the life non-human. A parasite or a lump of cells. Very convenient and grossly inaccurate description.

However, let's call a spade a spade. It's a life. Separate and unique.

By the third trimester (several short weeks) the BABY is whole. Heartbeat, brain, nervous system, specific blood, specific DNA. Human. An individual. Not some gilled thing that shifty and deceptive folks would have you believe.
It is a child dependent on its mother for life. Does that dependence make it a parasite? No more so than it does after he or she is born.

Legally you have the right to kill that un-born life, but that is still wrong.

No more smoke screens. We must call it like it is and live with the consequences of those chilling actions.

People really need to stop dodging the real issues and fess up to the truth of what is actually going on. From there we can stop this madness step by step. Those who would lie, kill and profit from a baby's death should never be seen as a woman's friend.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Huey, If I was in that position and had to make a personal choice, it would be for the child. I agree with what you are saying. When I met a heart surgeon years ago, he also delivered babies. He told me he saw the birth of a child as being mariculous.

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