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Louisiana's Legal System and Heritage

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A little bit of trivia has been bothering me. I finally got around to looking it up. I was looking at legal software that stated that it was good for use in 49 out of 50 states. The one exception was Louisiana. The reason is that Louisiana uses the Napoleonic Code. What is the Napoleonic Code?

I went to a site that gives the history of Louisiana's legal code that finally laid out the difference between Louisiana and the rest of the country in plain language. The rest of the country bases its law on English common law. Under this system, a body of legal precedent determines how new cases are decided. Contradictory situations can be appealed to a higher court which resolves the legal ambiguities in a given case.

Unlike other states, Louisiana's legal code is based on Napoleonic law, which is a uniform and clear code passed by the legislature and applied by judges. The judge refers not to precedent but to the law at hand. Such a system is simpler and less voluminous than the casebooks and precedents of the other states.

The Napoleonic Code was actually mentioned in "A Streetcar Named Desire" when Stanley (played by Marlon Brando) explained Napoleonic law to Stella as follows.


"Now listen. Did you ever hear of the Napoleonic code, Stella?...Now just let me enlighten you on a point or two...Now we got here in the state of Louisiana what's known as the Napoleonic code. You see, now according to that, what belongs to the wife belongs to the husband also, and vice versa...It looks to me like you've been swindled baby. And when you get swindled under Napoleonic code, I get swindled too and I don't like to get swindled..."

French civil law was in effect from 1712 until 1762, when Louisiana was ceded to Spain. France resumed its control of Louisiana in 1803. It abolished Spanish law but instituted no substitute. This legal limbo was inherited by the Americans a mere 20 days later when they assumed control over Louisiana with the Louisiana purchase. The people of Louisiana were outraged at attempts to extend English common law to Louisiana. They were accustomed to a mix of Spanish and French laws seasoned with local traditions. Acceding to popular demand, the new U.S. governor of Louisiana, William Claiborne directed the legislature to draft up an acceptable legal code.

Accordingly, the legislature came up with Louisiana's first civil code, which was enacted in 1808. It drew heavily from the Napoleonic Code. It was written in French, a feature that remained when the code was replaced in 1825 with a code that was more detailed and comprehensive.

The Louisiana law with which we are familiar today was written in 1870. It clarified and simplified earlier legal codes in Louisiana. It was also written in English, a change that signaled a trend towards cultural homogenisation.

In practice, Louisiana is a hybrid legal system Jrank.org explains as follows how a New Orleans court would operate differently from its Parisian counterpart.


"Although Louisiana is generally called a civil law state, its code is imbued with some common-law features, making it a hybrid of the two traditions. The state's constitution, administrative and criminal law, civil and CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, and RULES OF EVIDENCE all contain elements derived from common-law principles. As a result, Louisiana judges operate under administrative rules that differ from those found in other civil law jurisdictions. For example, whereas European judges actively elicit the facts in a controversy and seldom use a jury, Louisiana judges operate more like their common-law colleagues, assuming the role of neutral and passive fact finder or arbiter, and leaving the final decision to a jury. Oral argument is generally absent in a pure civil law proceeding, whereas Louisiana's procedural and evidentiary rules allow oral presentations, resulting in trials that are closer to those found in a common-law court. Finally, European courts allow almost unlimited discovery by the accused in a lawsuit, whereas Louisiana's procedural and evidentiary rules place certain restrictions on such discovery."



Amazingly enough, a Louisiana appeals court does not only question the interpretation of the law rendered by the lower court. It can also declare that the facts established in a lower court were in error and issue its revised findings of fact. This is of significant advantage to someone who is appealing a verdict if they can transfer a case to Louisiana's jurisdiction.

Is Louisiana law better than the rest of the country? I don't know. Common sense tells me that anyone who wants to distort the law will find a means to do so, whether he is in Louisiana or elsewhere. It is interesting that America's concept of a federation of states allows for such significant diversity. It must be interesting for scholars of the French language to look at Louisiana's old law books.

The fading out of French in Louisiana is a sad feature of modern times. For a long time in the earlier twentieth century, use of French was discouraged in Louisiana. Children who were heard speaking it at school were often severely punished. It should be noted that Louisiana French is Acadian French, which is very close to Quebec French. At its roots, the differences in Acadian (Cajun) French stem not from adulteration with English but in dialectal differences in France it self. Any efforts to coordinate a revival of Louisiana French would probably be better coordinated with Quebec, which has a proud record of having revitalised its own Francophone culture.

I consider America's linguistic diversity to be a national treasure. I wish Louisiana success in preserving its language , law and culture. If they succeed, we will all be the richer for it.




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The following is a beautiful Cajun song from the 1982 movie "Southern Comfort" Those who are troubled by the slaughter of animals for food might well want to minus out the video and focus on the beautiful music and the manner in which it showcases Louisiana French


Reprinted with permission from Magdeburgerjoe.com


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THE RONBOT HUNTER
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24 months ago: Sorry to burse your bubble. But the entire country is under the administrative procedures act.
There is in actuality, no civil law anymore, because the Corporate United States is operating under Admiralty, International law.
I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a private corporation.
Here is the time line:
1865 – 13th Amendment – people could volunteer into slavery by accepting federal benefits.
1868 – The 14th Amendment created a new class of citizen, the "PERSON" subject to the Federal Gov’t.
1871 – the Federal Gov’t formed itself into a corporation – USA. I don’t know CANADA’s date of
incorporation.
1913 – the Federal Reserve Central Banks were created.
1933 President Roosevelt put into effect the ‘Trading with the Enemies Act’. This applied only to
Federal Citizens.
1933 – President Roosevelt took the gold away from the people, who were not lawfully required to relinquish it, and who then had no money with which to pay their debts.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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24 months ago: PART TWO

March 9, 1933 – ownership (legal title) of all property is in the State; individual ‘ownership’ is only
equitable (user) title. Use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.(YIKES! Read that again.)
1933 – President Roosevelt passed HJR 192 June 5, 1933 – since the government had taken the gold, and the people had no money, the government would pay the ‘debts’ for the people, thereby giving them unlimited credit. Whoever has the gold pays the bills. This legislation states that one cannot demand from you a certain form of currency, since any form and all forms of currency are your credit. If they do, they are in breach of Public Policy, PL 73-10. Not only does this insurance policy protect the legislators from conviction for fraud and treason but also it protects the people from damages cause by the Feds.
1938 – Erie Railroad vs. Tompkins made contracts the rule in the courts. No other law prior to 1938 can be cited in cases.
1946 – government and court system was lost through the Administrative Procedures Act.

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24 months ago: PART THREE

1965 – silver was removed as a means for paying debt, the Uniform Commercial Code became the supreme law of the land concerning the Banking System, the courts were pulled together in Admiralty/ Administrative and Civil (contract /commercial /corporate) Law, thereby removing the ‘innocent’ plea, thereby reversing ‘innocent until proven guilty’ to ‘guilty until proven innocent’. Securities replaced substance as collateral for debts; debt instruments with collateral, and accommodation parties could be used instead of money. The courts could uphold the security instruments which depended upon commercial fictions as a basis for compelling payment or performance.
1966 – The Federal Tax Lien Act: The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code)
1. IRS/CRA is not a Government Agency; it is a collection agency. All Alphabet Agencies (CIA, DOT, etc.) are agencies of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) which is an agency of the UN.
2. SSNs/SINs are issued by the UN via the IMF, not by Social Security Administration or CRA

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24 months ago: I can go on for a hundred pages.

But the Bar Association is part of these facts above.

Louisiana is a Corporation as all the rest.

There is NO separate form of laws, but there maybe a facade to please the French sensibilities.

We are recognized by USA, Inc. as their corporate subjects. There is NO difference in Louisiana.

But I did enjoy the story, it was well written.

Thank you for the fiction.

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You are part of a corporation, from the Federal Government to the smallest city.



Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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24 months ago: Ronbot

If a case is heard in Federal court, it will abide by Federal rules. Until then, under State laws, the case will be decided according to State law. Although you are correct in your statements, State law is still being observed.

I have been fortunate to get to know some Cajuns from southern and eastern Louisiana, and like most peoples, the more independent they are, the more they tend to hold on to their traditions. Cajun French is a beautiful language, and I was surprised at how quickly I could carry on a conversation with them, considering the diversity of isolated dialects still prevalent.
markbyrn
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24 months ago: Very informative post Rudi
THE RONBOT HUNTER
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24 months ago: There no such thing as State law.

The Constitution only states two laws -- The common law and admiralty law. The law of the law and the law of the sea or International law.

We are operating under admiralty law in all the states. This is treason.

But you are led to believe that a statute is a real law.

Statutes come from judge mad laws or case laws.

There are 65 million case laws. How many have been tested to see if they DON'T violate the Constitution?

A certified or positive law is verified that it does not violate the Constitution.

Under Admiralty we are operating under the:

Statute merchant (Eng. Law), a bond of record pursuant to the stat. 13 Edw. I., cknowledged in form prescribed, on which, if not paid at the day, an execution might be awarded against the body, lands, and goods of the debtor, and the obligee might hold the lands until out of the rents and profits of them the debt was satisfied; -- called also a pocket judgment. It is now fallen into disuse. --Tomlins. --Bouvier.

Some say the courts are commercial courts.

Since there is not more common law.

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24 months ago: Ron must have never visited Lousiana. What 'DAT?
The last stonghold of thugs. Who 'DAT?

Ratta 'DAT 'DAT.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
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24 months ago: Here are websites to help you understand the TRUTH of the country, including Louisiana.

http://freedom-school.com/admiralty/how-to-beat-criminal-charges-in-admiralty-courts.pdf

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-prisoner-funds-america.pdf

http://freedom-school.com/law/prison_treatise.shtml

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Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
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24 months ago: I hear what you are saying Ronbot. But the thought that the law books of one of our United States were written in French until 1870 fascinates me. Certainly, Louisiana's legal codes and those of the other 49 states have moved together.

OOTB, I'd like to hear more about your experience with speaking with Louisiana Acadians. Additionally, I would like to know if there is a lingering French and Spanish influence in Mississippi.

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