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Is it 2012 yet?

Posted 10 months ago|35 comments|527 views
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Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
I have been looking over polling data for the past several days and have come to some interesting conclusions when it comes to 2012.

First I will present some of the more recent poll data:

~President Obama is no longer polling as the front runner for 2012 in all polls. In fact the average shows him about 3.4% behind "Republican" (unnamed).

~Despite this it is still likely that he will win re-election as historical patterns show strongly for incumbents (not as much as local and state level elections but still signifcant).

~That being said there is further interesting data as when the current likely republican field is polled against Obama in that they all lose (with the exception of 1 poll showing a tie with Romney)

The following is the breakdown of the current likely Republican candidates vs Obama. I am showing the national averages of all polls conducted and combined:

Romney VS Obama (+4.4% Obama)
Bachman VS Obama (+13.4% Obama)
Palin VS Obama (+20% Obama)
Cain VS Obama (+16.3% Obama)
Gingrich VS Obama (+14.7% Obama)
Huntsman VS Obama (+14.0% Obama)
Pawlentry VS Obama (+13.5% Obama)
Paul VS Obama (+10% Obama)

From this data we can discern a few things. First is that in general people want somebody besides Obama. It is also clear that those same people really don't care for the current Republican field.

The difficulty with running Romney against Obama is that on a few big issues it will be very difficult 1 on 1 for him to compete with Obama; namely healthcare and welfare type issues. While at the moment it would appear that Romney would be the front runner for nomination and against Obama I think over time Romney would weaken.

Looking at the rest of the candidates there is only one other that currently isn't basically out when it comes to actually winning the Presidential election. Ron Paul, who coincidentally polled only a few weeks ago at only 5% behind Obama in a presidential race*, is probably the best option for the Republican Party to have a chance of winning the 2012 election. He posses a unique set of characteristics that I feel would give him a REAL chance at winning:

~He is, in my opinion, the only GOP/Independent candidate that has the charisma and comprehension to go head to head with Obama in a debate and win.

~He is strong willed enough to not get caught flipping on issues that will come up in debates/interviews.

~Don't like the Healthcare bill? He is the only candidate with an actual plan on how to fix it (Yelling "Repeal Obamacare" Is not a plan no matter how many times Romney, Palin or Bachman say it).

~In terms of dealing with an economically struggling electorate, he represents a strong set of ideas on how to fix the job market, an outlined plan for economic recovery that does not involve more government interference and how to get the country back to being self sufficient without cutting off key ties to allies and world markets.

~Nobody likes taxes...Including Ron Paul...He has argued against the Fed and the Income Tax for basically his whole career. I think on tax issues he could seriously cause trouble for Obama.

~He, unlike most of the Republican field, has actually read and can comprehend the Constitution. He also applies the entire document, not just the sections he likes. This is a breath of fresh air compared to Obama and the rest of the Republicans.

As a candidate I think that Ron Paul represents the most rounded candidate that could take on Obama and actually win. The only other "real" candidates are Romney, Palin and Bachman. Romney I think could make it close, but not win. And if you show me a true presidential campaign of Bachman or Palin VS Obama I think I could probably show you a 40 to 45 state victory for Obama (Bachman is the 'Constitutional Conservative' yet she has indicated time and time again that she has obviously never read it. And Sarah Palin is...well...Sarah Palin).

While I would rather see Hillary Clinton run and win, that is simply not going to happen in 2012. That being said I think Ron Paul is probably the best option we have as a country moving forward.

*Paul's poll numbers could be slipping simply because of lack of exposure. Plainly put, he does not have the money to compete (I will address election reform in a future post)
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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10 months ago: I would have to agree with your analysis. Even though Ron Paul would have to be watched as closely as Obama has been, he would definitely make the best candidate. He isn't in the hip pocket of any special interest group (yet), the way ever other candidate for President is. Paul is trying, and has been trying, to move more center in the public perception of his ideals. Some of his ideas are a bit radical libertarian, such as doing away with virtually every federal agency. As far as doing away with the Federal Income tax, I would support that, only if he can demonstrate a plan that more equally distributes the tax load.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: I agree. I think that Ron Paul actually could stay out of the pockets too. Mostly because he simply doesn't care for anything that they represent.

As far as taxes go: From his website his plan outlines that doing away with the Income Tax and replace it with nothing. Corporate taxes, Excise Taxes and Tariffs according to him would be enough to put us at an income level we saw in the late 90's. Which at first sounds like not enough, however with his goal of cutting out unnecessary federal programs he says it would be more than enough to cover necessary expenses and entitlement programs.

I will also note that as far as Healthcare reform, I think Ron Paul (who happens to have MD after his name) would be the best option to lead us on that front.

He has been in the past a bit hard core with his thoughts on eliminating all government programs and agencies, however it would seem that he has adopted over time a more stern Limited Government Libertarian view. I truly believe he is the only Republican/Independent that has a chance against President Obama.
10 months ago: I like your post PH,

...but you threw me, I thought you would have presented Altruist as a candidate !:]
10 months ago: Now i know i am looking at this from way over the pond in england but my opinion is you need to change obama and quickly.
His lack of good strong leadership comes accross as quite negative over here.
He was seen as some kind of mighty saviour when he started office but he has not done what i think he wanted to achieve,Maybe he does not know how to?.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
10 months ago: Well, in Obama's defense, the stated #1 goal of the GOP is to make Obama a 1-term president. That means stonewalling and bickering from the Right. They have done this quite well, and Mr. Murdoch has done a nice job of covering it...

As for the candidates, I would rather have Obama over any of the other candidates on that list except for Ron Paul. Paul I would take in a heartbeat, but unfortunately in this day and age you need to be in the pocket of special interest in order to get anywhere or be anyone.

Obama has done, in my opinion, a decent job. There are three reasons why Obama can count on this registered republican for a vote.

1. The nonsense with the tax breaks for the wealthy. Obama came right out with a centrist, compromise-ish plan, give everyone the breaks except the wealthy. The GOP "you know what" all over it. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

2. This crap with the debt ceiling. GOP refuses to budge on tax increases, hey guys, we need money, or should I turn over the deed to my house to the Chinese? Obama has said he's willing to compromise, I just don't see the GOP even pretending to pretend to think about the word compromise.

3. Ron Paul will likely not get the nomination
10 months ago: Sorry Tom,

You guys had "money" ...and Obama gave it to the Big Banks instead of paying back China, a move that would have really bolstered economic ties.. instead of inciting their financial exodus from America.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
10 months ago: That's not entirely true. TARP, for example would be the work of President Bush, after all, he signed it. All totalled up, Bush signed off on 1.6336 Trillion, with a T in bailout money, including AIG, Bear Sterns, etc. Obama is responsible for 142.2 Billion. That's roughly 9% of what Bush approved (and that's rounding up).

http://www.propublica.org/special/govern...
10 months ago: OK Tom,

I don't think you have everything factored in, like Obama's budget if passed. Here is a nifty little video that explains what I mean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwD...

10 months ago: "...Overall, President Obama's budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years...."
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: "Ron Paul will likely not get the nomination"

~~True. The reasons for this I will explore in an article tomorrow
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: Dont forget GE
10 months ago: But who is not on the list?
10 months ago: Yes you would have to show the combined polls since most are going to lean in the direction of the left. What about that democrat whitehouse poll that was released today? You know the one? Could it be that the whitehouse poll says that your guy would loose today if matched against any Republican.

Dang. We could run Nixon again and win.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Visit www.realclearpolitics.com

They are similar to metacritic. They have every poll conducted on that site...then they take those polls and for the average. So if the average shows people leaning towards Obama what does that tell you?

Also, perhaps you didn't read the article...Ron Paul is my guy.
10 months ago: You think I didn't read it? Ron Paul? What do you know about Ron Paul that hasn't been fed to you by the News or RonBlogs? What is it that you find so appealing in Ron Paul. Ever been to Lake Jackson or Clute? It is owned by Dow Chemical.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: I have advanced degrees, which I know mean nothing to you, however I know how to research.

Out of curiosity, if you are able at this time, who would you like to see as President in 2012?
10 months ago: Somehow your "Advanced Degrees" have left you dumbfounded. Did you loose your self worth and common sense with that proclaimed prediction that it the Advanced (Holders) are in charge all will be good? Just wondering. Because your advanced crowd is and has been not doing a very good job for the last 2 and a half years. AND the projection, which you won't admit is, a continuation of the current policies (for many years to come) to curtail business promotion (jobs). No?
10 months ago: Sorry for not directly answering your direct future (what would you wish for) question PH. I'll try my best. You want to call me on it fine. But before you do...yours is worse.

My prediction of the 2012 President (runners)?

Sorry, I broke my crystal ball and only know that Obama is a shoe in for the non-common sense people that want more money that they didn't earn.

Does it not really TEA you off that you can't infiltrate the TEA?
10 months ago: How about this TRUTH. Call me on it. The "Republicans" want to make a deal but are afraid of what their constituents will do. Go figure? Politicians being afraid of what the voters will do.....
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: I will try to decipher this gibberish:

What advanced crowd are we talking about? When did I predict that Obama would do a great job? I did say/think/still think he was going to/is currently better than the Bush administration.

My projection is based on factual evidence and historical patterns. My prediction in no way reflects my desired outcome.

Yes, I think that if current policies continue that job growth will be stunted.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Lets try reading again:

I asked you who you would like to see as president in/after 2012...not who you think will be running.

I'm not TEA'd off about anything. I just honestly don't think that there is a TEA candidate that can win (too radical in my opinion).
10 months ago: TCG,

You asked... "Ever been to Lake Jackson or Clute? ...sure have!
Just sayin.
10 months ago: Just wonderin'...why?
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: Good to see you back Perfect, maybe I can get back into rant rave.

I have my issues with Ron Paul but I have been a follower of his for a long time. His book is great (need to read his new one). He is one of the few people that promises to not fix everything, only to create a situation that allows society to fix their own.

Great post.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: I have my issues with all politicians. That being said I have far less issues with Ron Paul than I do with say Bachman or Palin or Romney
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: Whenever these polls ask if people like the president, there are a lot of people on the left who are disaffected and don't like Obama, because he has capitulated on every issue and done more harm to the liberal cause than any conservative president has in the past.

When 2/3rds of the people want increased taxes on the rich and don't want Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid changed, the first thing he does is give way on all points!

What we really need is someone to run against Obama that would actually do what the common people want.

Anyone should be able to beat any of the Republicans after they prove to be bomb throwing anarchists who are willing to destroy the nation, and throw ailing little old ladies out in the street, just so the rich and the corporations can live the lives of Saudi Arabian Princes.
10 months ago: Great post PH. I agree. Ron Paul is one of the very few in Washington who has steadfastly kept on track and not flip-flopped when the wind blew a different direction. If you look at his ideas on getting things back on track they are fairly solid and reasonable. At the very least they are as reasonable as spending trillions of dollars , going into massive debt and gee whiz why are we still in this mess? That, in my opinion was a radical spending strategy which has not quite seemed to work. Also, though he may have some extreme ideas as far as getting the government out of our homes and hip pockets I doubt he would be able to get anything to extreme through the house and senate both. Nevertheless I believe he would offer leadership that is not bought by some big business or big unions such as we have for the most part on both sides of the fence now. I doubt he will have much of a chance though as today in America "experience" "character" and "moral dignity" seem to not carry much weight against "smooth talking" and "Hollywood charm".
10 months ago: So? I ask again. How much has "Dow Chemical" or it's employees contributed to Ron Paul?

You might as well be backing Monsanto and DuPont. I thought you folks were into "Green" such as the federal backing of no tax G.E.

Too bad G.E. does not have an office in Clute.

Then again....

10 months ago: Whoa, whoa, whoa. I figured out your "Green" program.

Electe shills that will vote for everything that allows "Patent" protection of our genetic seeds and all of their future cross breeds. While limiting true intellectual property from the patent process.

No more cordless drills....

Hummm. I guess someone needs to pay for "Agent Orange"...

Would that be you?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Read the election reform post...flame me there too...it will be good fun but maybe it will shine light onto what I think about DOW and GE donations.
10 months ago: This is how I see it, anyone you can get to go all the way, better be prepared to be assassinated if they don't "play ball" ...your fearless leader capitulated on Gay Marriage and other ideals that were "written in stone" before he was elected...

Barack Obama on Gay Marriage...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl...

...so it matters little how "clean" your candidate is now, we will see how clean he stays after the money starts flowing... and from whom.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Who's fearless leader are we talking about?

Not mine...I didn't even vote for Obama
10 months ago: Neither did I !:]
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: I might actually be agreeing with TB. It doesn't matter how hopeful and pro change a leader is, once he/she gets in office they have to deal with the real world, with the near depression, joblessness, all of the debt, wars, and environmental problems he/she inherited, and yet have to deal with a Congress that is owned by special interests.

60% of the new Senate members and 40% of new house members are millionaires, and all of Congress is besieged by thousands of lobbyists, so that is why they are willing to destroy the country to protect tax cuts for the millionaires even though 2/3rds of the public want taxes on the millionaires and want Social Security and Medicare left alone.

I think Obama has consistently said that he is in favor of equal rights for straight or gay people and he is required by the constitution and the courts to uphold equal rights.

At least Obama has come down on the side of what the people want but he has caved in when the tea party radicals used terrorist tactics to hold America Hostage.

10 months ago: Al,

It is pretty easy to be on the side that is "paying the bills" or lining the pockets... yet it is to be seen if a leader can honestly give the majority of the people what they want in a supposedly democratic society.

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