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Incentivise Change...Don't Punish It

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Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
Thank You Newt. I have been a supporter of Newt Gingrich since he proposed the Contract for America. He seems to me to be the only Speaker of the House to accomplish anything useful over the past ten years.

Thank you for sticking it to Sen. Waxman. I can't tell you how proud I was when you said, "I don't think of American Citizens as foreign dictators." Our government should not be punishing producers. I'm all for giving rewards to those who reduce their energy usage, or reduce carbon emissions, but not at a cost to production. Plants will just shutdown and move elsewhere with their jobs.

Do these people in both houses of Congress understand that it takes energy to produce things. If you tax that energy you raise the price of whatever it produced. That could be electricity that heats and cools my house. I'd like to see the Congressman and Senators turn their air conditioners of in July and August, the hottest most humid part of the summer. And President Obama keep that thermostat down at 70 instead of 75 or more during the winter. I won't hold my breath.

We did not enter the Kyoto Treaty because it gave exceptions
to India and China, as they were developing. However the funny thing is, according to Democrat Rep. John Dingell, both countries, "have indicated that they will be developing countries for always, that creates a problem." The problem is we can shoulder this burden on our own. If one side believed we can't fight the war on terror alone, why do they believe we can fight this war on global warming alone.

I also agree with Mr. Gingrich, and was proud to here him clearly state to Senator Waxman, that, "I don't think Lincoln's government of the people, by the people, and for the people, should be turned into a government punishing the people."
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Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: Billyberoo, I'm so glad you have found a role model in Newt Gingrich. Now if only he could realize that the USA stands to benefit in untolled ways if only we can switch to locally produced energy. We have sold our sovereignty to the Middle East by relying on their energy. Meanwhile, if only he could get on board with putting the health of Americans as a top priority. A dead tax payer isn't paying taxes. A dead worker isn't producing products. Pollution is killing us. We need to switch to wind and solar power. Guess what? The panels and turbines and blades can all be made in America by American workers – hello, jobs – using our own natural resources. Once constructed they produce energy every day that can power our entire nation without the horrific pollution produced by burning oil, gas, and coal.

You know what Billyberoo, if only you and Newt would realize that I and 60 million other Americans who voted for Obama voted against the policies of the right and the past. We are sick and tired of the logic that we should be selling our nation to Saudi Arabia for the right to drive a gas guzzling American-made car. It's funny that the oil industry finally put it's major partner out of business, but that's just what's happened.

So, I'm glad you found someone to follow, now if only he would figure out that most of the people who have had their taxes raised to the levels they were during the Reagan administration, are very, very, very rich. The rest of us are not, and our taxes were lowered. Is Rush Limbaugh paying higher taxes now? He sure is, but he's in the middle of a 10-year, $400 million contract and has a staff of financial advisers to help him limit his tax burden. So, I'm sorry, I don't feel bad for Rush having to pay higher taxes. I'm not making $40 million a year, but if I were I wouldn't shirk my tax burden, I'd pay it. I'd thank God everyday I was so fortunate and do all I could to help others.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
37 months ago: Coloranter Raver, i'm dissappointed to see you attack the Right like that! I don't think the American people voted against the "right" or their ideaology. They voted against Bush, and his rogue policies. Unfortunately, the GOP was more concerned with supporting him at the time. Stupid move, but it doesn't mean people disagree with the Right.

There are problems with the Right, but there are also problems with the left also.

The issue here is there should be a compromise, but the Right doesn't want to budge, and look weak, and the left can basically walk all over them anyway. Furthermore if these policies do not work, those who did not support them could benefit politically (at the expense of the public, obviously).

The compromise would give incentives for alternative energy, funded by taxing only fuel that comes from other countries. The left and right are becoming more and more extreme by the day, and it's a disgrace. Work together, and don't give me the "when there was a GOP majority, and they did the same thing"

Quit it with the politics, let's for once do something that benefits the American people, not your political careers.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
37 months ago: Thank you Tom. Either party always says they are right, but we just don't seem to have the problem solved. If we do it gets solved by creating something worse.

I'm O.K. with change, but not government take over of the banking, insurance, and automakers. Government setting salary caps for executives. Why don't they cut their own salaries and pensions, for they have ran the Nation to the ground.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: Tom, correct me if I'm wrong but somewhere back in the year 1999 when Bush was debating Al Gore, perhaps you watched this stuff when you were a little guy with political interests even then, but Bush was heralded as the guy who was going to put Republicans back in power for generations to come and social conservatism back on Main Street. So, which is it?

As for the people who voted for him. It is big, big, big news to me that Republicans voted for Obama. Wow. Don't tell Rush, he'll want them put in Gitmo for treason. I mean, sure, there were Dems that voted McCain 'cuz they thought Palin was sexy and Reps that voted Obama because they thought Michelle was sexy, but this was, by and large a polarize election with the vast majority of registered voters voting along party lines with independents swinging the election. It's why they held the Dem Convention here in Denver and why our electoral votes were considered crucial to the win column. Colorado has a huge population of independents and has voted back and forth for decades. Yes, we do have the ultra-righters in Colorado Springs, but the metro Denver population holds 70% of the state's population which is by and large mostly independent but leans progressive. Don't forget that Denver was the first American city to have first an Hispanic and then a Black mayor despite being a white majority city. There is a progressive nature – we were the first to give women the right to vote – that is in our blood, though trying to convince us of anything or change our minds is like pulling teeth. So, forgive me if I respectfully disagree when I say that, no, the nation wasn't just voting against Bush, we were voting against Bush agenda items including unjustified war, irrational foreign policy, imprudent spending, and so on.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: My point, and this is an important one, is that no matter how Sean and Rush and Bill spin it, Obama is a fiscal conservative. He really is. Where were Hannity and Limbaugh when the Congress pushed through the Bush stimulus in September? For all they knew, McCain was destined to the White House. Go back to their sites and find any criticism of bailouts back then. They said nothing. A weakly Democratically-controlled Congress pushed a bill that Bush could have easily vetoed and they wouldn't have been able to override. He signed it giving $750 billion to bail outs. This was met with zero conservative opposition at the time. It wasn't a conservative mantra until 3 November came around, and it became apparent that they needed a mantra and quick.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: I also think that most people don't know what the "right" stands for anymore. I sure don't. I'd love to know. I wish someone could articulate it for me. All I hear is anti-gay rights, anti-women's rights, anti-separation of church and state, anti-immigrants, anti-workers' rights, anti-green, anti-energy independence unless it means drilling baby drilling in Alaska* and burning up every last chunk of coal, anti-evolution, anti-stimulus unless it brings pork to their home state (Eric Cantor going on and on and on about how excited he is to be able to bring High Speed Rail to Ohio after lambasting high speed rail as a boondoggle fiscally irresponsible pork project of the democrats), and so on. Is this what the party is all about, because that doesn't lure an independent in to the fold, and it would certainly seem to galvanize the left?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: Billy, we didn't enter Kyoto treat because of why? We didn't enter because the right feared the backlash of loss of campaign funding. That's the only reason. We know that it will take decades for India and China to produce the pollution our nation with 1/3 the population produces right now. If we don't cut back, it won't matter what anyone else does, and you know it. Come on.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
37 months ago: I'll just use your argument about not teaching ID in public Schools. Keep your religious beliefs preached by Rev. Al Gore private. I just quoted exactly what Democrat Congressman Dingell said, that is it.
Here's the link watch it yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_VqTQiQsp4
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
37 months ago: Believe what you want, but I have facts, but these facts you don't want taught in school, because they disagree with your Religion of Progressivism which is o.k. to be taught because it is G-Dless.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: Billy, on the one hand you have a great point. It is possible to perceive the words of Al Gore as that of a minister. He's preaching to save our planet. Not sure what's wrong with that. The difference, of course, is that our culture has long differentiated the pure sciences from theology. Pure science is, indeed, godless because the existence of a God/god/gods has never been proven scientifically or otherwise. There are, apparently, people on earth who don't believe the Holocaust ever happened, and it was fewer than 100 years ago, but we're supposed to believe fantasy tales written up second hand by people who supposedly knew somebody who knew somebody and then got rewritten to the satisfaction of King James? I don't begrudge people who want to believe that mythology any more than I begrudge people who want to believe in Hindu mythology or Stargate mythology. The problem with any of them is that none can be proven in the scientific realm. We simply have no evidence of reincarnation or God creating the earth or humans being put on earth to carry the symbionts of the Ga'uld.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: So, scientists cannot rely on God as an explanation. It would make science exams a lot easier if every answer were, "because God made it so". Does that mean that scientists must be godless people? Absolutely not! Scientists can believe what ever they want just like any other person. Scientists just have to leave God out of their explanations for things. I have a strong faith in God, not the God of the Bible, and not a God that would punish people for trying to save earth from global climatic change, but a unifying life force that stands in opposition to entropy and gives things life. I don't believe that God is a sentient being capable of creation or of punishment. I believe we define our own human morality as a construct for interaction. I think there are two kinds of people, those who feel entitled to the bounty of the earth because they are alive on it and others who feel we should have to earn it, protect it, respect it, love it, and live in harmony with it. To me, this is the essence of good an evil.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
37 months ago: I listened to the Dingle video and it didn't say anything about Kyoto?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
37 months ago: Sorry I posted the wrong one. Here is the correct one, about 3 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zev6Sq6sXh4
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
37 months ago: I agree with this post. If you tax the industry, all that you get is more job loss. I think it is important that humans be responsible with the environment. But when did global warming become a fact? There is as much support for cooling as there is heating from human causes. We really have no idea and to break our economy for a tenth of a degree in world temperature. For every good scientific fact for global warming, there is one that claims the world is cooling. Be responsible, but lets not break ourselves. Good job, keep it up!
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
37 months ago: And I understand every word that you are saying, I believe in responsibility on all levels. I love nature and Gods gift to us everyday when I am in the mountains. Humans have a terrible habit of destructive tendencies. At the same time. I do not think humans are as smart as we want ourselves to be. Yes we posses great technology but we have not had the ability to accurately get world temperature and how to judge such a big thing. There are world forecasters that claim the world has cooled down over the last ten years. We do not know what is average and we do not know the world temperature right now, even with technology. We also do not know the effects of a global warming or cooling. So why should we destroy our economy in the short term. If clean technology becomes cheaper and more accessible in the free market, then industries will move to it. It will not happen from government tax. They will just shut down if it is too much. It is the nature of capitalism. So keep conserving and being responsible, that is fantastic.

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