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Here is What I Will Deem.

Posted 23 months ago|19 comments|613 views
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I am still waiting to find out exactly what is in this healthcare bill. It must be something really juicy, and possibly irreversible. Most likely it is something that will send this country well on the path to socialism within a few years and not decades.

That has to be the case. I'm not fear mongering and I am not making things up as I go. Why else would the democrats and the President essentially end their political careers and destroy their party just to pass this one bill? The only logical solution is that the result will fundamentally alter the course and face of this nation.

If the Democrats do in fact attempt to sign the Healthcare Reform Bill into law by "deeming it as passed" they will have set a new precedent not only for the government, but for the American People as well.

To show that I am on board with that here are a list of things that I will now "deem" to have done:

I will deem my taxes filed.
I will then deem them to have been paid.

I will deem myself present at work everyday but will still expect an actual paycheck.

I will deem all of my bills including my mortgage to have been paid in full.

I will deem to have passed the Bar exam and the USMLE, using the knowledge I deemed to have gotten from Harvard.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But why not? It is no more ridiculous than our government saying they have passed a bill without actually voting on it. It is no more ridiculous than our Puppet President who based on his Fox News interview does not even know what is in this bill even though he refers to is as "My bill", saying that no one really thinks that this vote is going to be anything other than a vote on healthcare.

It is a vote on healthcare today, sometime in August of 2010 in the middle of a congressional reelection debate, some idiot democrat will say that he did not vote for the bill, he only voted on a rule. Scarier yet some idiot who catches the sound bite on television will actually buy it and vote for the guy.

If Americans are stupid enough to believe anything anyone in our government says that I guess we deserve what we get.

But seriously....wake up!

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markbyrn
markbyrn
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23 months ago: I deem the Republicans hypocrites as cogently explained in the following article:

http://blog.american.com/?p=11467

"In the last Congress that Republicans controlled, from 2005 to 2006, Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier used the self-executing rule more than 35 times, and was no stranger to the concept of "deem and pass." That strategy, then decried by the House Democrats who are now using it, and now being called unconstitutional by WSJ editorialists, was defended by House Republicans in court (and upheld)."
23 months ago: HuH? I thought they controlled it for the last 400 years.

...Republicans controlled, from 2005 to 2006...

Self-executing rule was used on what 35 items Mark?

Please name a single one that had a trillion plus dollar price tag.

What are those 35?

I'll bet their 35 against Obama's 1.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: I'm only pointing out that the parliamentary procedure has been done countless times before - there's no precedent about it.
23 months ago: In that very article it says the GOP used it to for a 40 billion dollars deficit reduction. The dems instead are using it for a 987 billion dollar private industry takeover.

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: yeah, they reduced the deficit at the expense of the national debt - which was doubled under the Bush years.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Nor is it a government takeover:

It simply "drums up more business for private companies by mandating that individuals buy coverage and giving many subsidies to do so." That's why I it called a Three-card Monte.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
23 months ago: Add $240 billion to that, because they are passing the Doctor Fix Separately. Plus 20% for margin of error and you get roughly $1.5 trillion
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: I don't see how you guys can claim that this is a government takeover of private enterprise. If they were to do that, it would be the single payer plan most of the country would prefer and it would eliminate the private insurance companies.

As it is they are giving the existing insurance companies a huge boost with minimal regulations.

I also don't see how you can claim that they are not having a vote and that no one knows what is in the bill that they will be voting on.

They put the bill out on the internet (H.R. 4872) so everyone can read it and has given them the required 72 hours before the final vote which will take place on Sunday the 21st.

You can read the bill at: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h48...

Most of the important parts of the bill will not take place until 2014 so we have 3 years to study the bill's intricacies and fix anything that is unworkable before it goes into effect.

In the meantime there will be many immediate benefits as explained in this Wall Street Journal article. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...
23 months ago: "And my response is, hey, man, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm telling you, you know, pre-existing, they're going to be covered. You know we're going to control the insurance companies."

-Joe Bidden 3/18/2010
23 months ago: and even the huffington post rips is apart.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsh...
23 months ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032001196.html
The Rules panel is likely to meet for several hours in a cramped room on the third floor of the Capitol. It will decide the terms under which the House will vote on the Senate version of the health legislation as well as a subsequent package of legislative "fixes." The committee -- on which Democrats have a 9 to 4 roster advantage -- is expected to approve a "deem-and-pass" strategy, under which the Senate bill would pass as part of the rule for debate and would not be subject to a separate vote.

The Senate Bill will be passed by a 9 to 4 vote in the House Rules Committee when they self execute the law by adding the deemed passage to the rules vote to the House Reconciliation Bill. The house will not have a true up or down vote on the bill on the House floor. They hope the Senate will reconcile. Expect President Obama to sign the law tomorrow afternoon on the way to the airport.

The rules debate has been faily juicy this morning. D-Rep. California Waxman stated there would be a vote on the bill live on CSPAN.

CSPAN live feed of rules committee
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

Here is who will pass the Senate Healtcare Bill

Louise M. Slaughter New York
James P. McGovern Massachusetts
Alcee L. Hastings Florida
Doris O. Matsui California
Dennis Cardoza California
Michael Arcuri New York
Ed Perlmutter Colorado
Chellie Pingree Maine
Jared Polis Colorado

http://www.rules.house.gov/rules_members...
23 months ago: Scratch Dennis Cardoza California
He just stated he will not vote for a rule which deems the bill as passed and the bill needs a full floor vote. Live feed back on C-SPAN.

Down to 8 - 5
23 months ago: I.R.S. to be Health Insurance police.

Illegal Aliens will be excluded from Mandate Tax.
23 months ago: Hot off the press...link below...I guess those Texans tore their butts up...

The House Rules Committee continued its session on the third floor of the Capitol, where the panel is tasked with setting the terms of Sunday's floor debate. House leaders have decided to take a separate vote on the Senate version of the health care bill, rejecting an earlier, much-criticized strategy that would have permitted them to "deem" the measure passed without an explicit vote.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said the House will take three votes on Sunday: First, on a resolution that will set the terms of debate. Second, on a package of amendments to the Senate bill that have been demanded by House members. And third, on the Senate bill itself.

Van Hollen, an assistant to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) who has been working on the issue, said House leaders concluded that the reverse order -- approving the amendments before approving the Senate bill -- makes clear that the House is approving "a modified version of the Senate bill," and not the Senate bill itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
23 months ago: Washington (CNN) -- Democratic leaders have decided to abandon the plan to avoid a direct vote on the Senate health care bill, known as deem and pass.

Instead, multiple Democratic sources told CNN that they will have three independent votes -- a vote on the rule, then a vote on the fix package, followed by a vote on the Senate bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/20/h...
23 months ago: Now that the bill might be up for a supposed full house floor vote...

Scratch the Scratch Dennis Cardoza California, he just back slid and now will vote for the bill today.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: It will be interesting to see how much control the government (the people) will be able to have over the insurance companies. They have bought off a whole bunch of the lawmakers, but there are a lot of the most flagrant of the abuses that will be tempered. They will make it so they can't drop kids for preexisting conditions right off, but the rest of us will have to wait a few years.
22 months ago: Isn't it strange that Jesse Jackson Jr. and not Nancy Pelosi is controlling the Chair of the house ... not very well by the way... Where is Nancy? What about that Slaughter House rule?
markbyrn
markbyrn
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markbyrn
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22 months ago: 'Stupak, Dems reach abortion deal; 'eight or nine' will now vote yes'

As reported by the Hill:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88143-...

I'd say that makes it a done deal?

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