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Hagel Takes on Cheney

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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
Congrats to former GOP Senator Chuck Hagel for taking former Vice President Dick Cheney to task on his comments regarding his very jaded and biased opinions that President Obama is making the nation less safe. As widely reported, Chuck Hagel said this of the Cheney comments....

"That’s ridiculous! It has no merit on fact or by any measurement. I mean come on, this guy hasn’t even been in office two months. The mess that the Bush administration left the Obama administration. I’m a Republican…we got America into two wars, we’ve done great damage to our economy, to our force structure, to our standing in the world. For a Vice President who participated in that, who led in that, to come on and say that this new administration has really put America in danger is just folly."
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It apparently takes a lot of courage to take on Dick Cheney. Then for a Republican to do it and so publicly along with admitting the grave mistakes of his party over the course of the Bush presidency, is really quite gutsy and astounding. Of course, he'll certainly be labeled a traitor and vilified by the NRJs.

This is the problem, of course, with our political parties and their machines. They cheer wrong-doing of their own party while lambasting stumbles on the other side. In the middle, are the American people who constantly get cast aside for the egos of Washington, DC. If you listened to Hagle's full commentary, you will note that he notes a point of view support by this RantRaver many times in the past. Americans from the President to the the most recently converted citizen need to be loyal first and foremost to the Constitution and our nation. Party loyalty should be the last think on anyone's mind.
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TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Careful Coloranter, Cheney will take you hunting if he reads this!!
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: You got my back?
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: I'm right behind you!
38 months ago: Nothing Cheney has to say will probably ever be taken seriously again... He would best go enjoy retirement & try not to shoot any more people.

That being said, I do think his comments are fair criticism of Obama, as I do believe some of the things he has been mandating do have the potential to make us less safe, or would compound to do so down the road. Closing Gitmo, relying only on the Army Field Manual for interrogation guidance, suspending terrorist trials... even eliminating the label of "enemy combatant" - seemingly a meaningless "PC" gesture, I think all serve as indicators to people that want to do us harm that we might be lowering our guard. Do we really want to bring Gitmo prisoners to US soil & give them access to our US courts? Even if we are backing off interrogation techniques, should we let the world know we are doing so? Shouldn't we finish putting a case together on these terrorist individuals, define their threat level to others & have a better idea on what should be done with these guys? And while we are waiting to do so, we better not call them enemy combatants anymore at risk of hurting their feelings.

I guess the fair thing to say at this point is that it hasn't instantly made us less safe, but I think we have started going down a road that will lead to actual holes in our country's "armor", if not at a minimum, "ask" for some testing by our enemies... and that is already starting to happen. Yes, I am a Conservative, but am very fair & have no problems in giving Obama credit where it is due. He does have the stick... so we'll see what happens. I would love to be wrong on this one.
twosticks
twosticks
Hickory, NC
38 months ago: I fail to see why anyone has a problem with prisoners who commit criminal acts against our country being kept on our soil and being prosecuted by our courts. "Put a case together on these terrorist individuals". Do you mean the ones we've held without even charging for years? The ones who've been hanging in legal limbo? The guys who've been found to have a large group of wrongly held innocents? "Define their threat level to others" Why? Are they going someplace? I thought they were getting stuck in our prisons on our soil? And they're not enemy combatants. They're not soldiers. They're either innocent civilians, or they're criminals guilty of murder.

No, the guys who launched the first attack on the WTC in the early '90's were caught, tried, and their **** are behind bars, on our soil, and will rot there until they die of old age. No more violence for them, no glorious suicide, no X many vigins in paradise. If we have suspects they need to be charged, tried, and sentenced properly so nobody can complain when they spend the rest of their misbegotten lives in our cells.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
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Puyallup, WA
38 months ago: Wow, Coloranter!

You've just become the most viewed post in RantRave history, with almost 9,000!

That's amazing!
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: TwoSticks: The problem is that most of the people in Gitmo Prison have never been charged with any crime. Had they been, then they too could be in prison in the USA for life. That's the trouble with the whole Gitmo Prison concept. It was a holding facility designed to hold people about whom the government wasn't sure if they were terrorists or not. The mistake was that our President and his government didn't follow our own rules. You cannot normally hold people for an undetermined amount of time without charging them with a crime. Doing so is actually a crime. And once charged, you cannot hold them for an undetermined amount of time without trying them. Treating them so differently than our own rules erodes our moral authority, doesn't it.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Hey Siempre, thanks! I'm a little surprised. I had no clue about this post getting so many views in the past two days. It's crazy. I have no idea why? But I appreciate the kind encouragement as well as the comments!

twosticks
twosticks
Hickory, NC
38 months ago: Coloranter Raver: I know the response is a little slow in coming, but your response to my post was actually what I was trying to say. I guess I didn't express myself very well.

I was trying to address Boston Conservative's question of whether we want to bring 'those prisoners to our soil and try them in our courts', to paraphrase. My answer was yes, yes we do. You pointed out all the reasons why: they had been in legal limbo, not charged, tried, or convicted/acquitted, and many were innocent. We weren't acting in a legal manner, we were acting like a rogue nation. Not only is it illegal, immoral and shameful, it's not even effective.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: I found out why you got so many views!!!!

http://www.reddit.com/domain/rantrave.com
38 months ago: Hey you too just don't accept a hunting invitation!

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