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Posted 12 months ago|14 comments|450 views
Some Flooded for the Good of Many
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Today between 30,000 and 60,000 people were driven from their homes and their land flooded. These people were sacrificed for the common good. If this area had not been flooded then major cities downriver might have been flooded affecting millions of people and costing many billions of dollars. http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/...

Individual sacrifice for the common good of a larger community is something that has become inimical to Republicans lately. Their sense of rugged individuality would abhor having big government forcing people to do what they don't want. Communism! Socialism! There are probably a bunch of tea partiers out there armed to the teeth to resist any mandatory evacuations. But weapons mean little to the raging Mississippi.

This is an allegory to the free market system. With no government involvement, no dikes, no chanalization, the Mississippi would periodically overrun its banks flooding millions of acres destroying the homes of millions and killing hundreds of thousands. This sounds good in theory and it would certainly be better for the earth and the other animals. This would recharge the aquifers, and replace topsoil. But the humans would suffer. The hundreds of miles of dikes that protect those who live along the river, are similar to the rules and regulations that protect the consumers and prevent the free markets from totally destroying the world's economies. Without all of the rules and regulations an unfettered free market would be a disaster. We would have unsafe foods, and poisons and pollution everywhere. The corporations would be free to lie, cheat, and do all sorts of immoral acts in the name of profit. http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/dec...

This is very similar to the arguments about health Care and the individual mandate that is going on right now. The Affordable Health Care Law puts restrictions on the insurance companies, so they can't deny service, and so their administrative costs are limited to 20%. Some people, the healthy and young, would prefer not buying insurance. But if the insurance companies only have to deal with those in poor health, the cost of the program will increase substantially. The plan to sacrifice the rights of the few so that the majority can save money, is originally a Republican idea.

The Democratic preference would be a single payer non profit plan with less administrative upkeep that wouldn't need the insurance company middlemen. It would be considerably cheaper.

The Republican plan for an individual mandate was an option to reduce costs for the insurance companies but allow them to be in control. But with no restrictions on the insurance companies they would deny service to a third of the country and the rest would still pay exorbitant prices. Without either a single payer system, a public option, or an individual mandate, insurance costs will skyrocket.

Just as the government can force some people to loose their homes to prevent many others from loosing theirs, the government has a right to force everyone to get insurance so the cost of everyone's insurance costs will go down.
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12 months ago: Well spoken. The time has come to realize that the cost of living in a truly civilized society where the quality of life leads one to conclude the society is, in fact, civilized must be met. for too many years, the ideology of market forces, and self-regulation has run rampant and has not resulted in a particularly pleasant outcome.

If everyone pays into a program, it will cost less for everyone. and for those individuals that are currently young and/or in good health, in all likelihood, it will not stay that way forever.

If I could identify the one single sin our society has committed in the past 35 years it is this - short-sightedness. We have allowed our politicians, business leaders, and ourselves to look only to the immediate future. We believed that tomorrow would take care of itself.....well it hasn't.

In terms of our environment, savings, health, retirement, and well being, it is time we all started to look at ways to invest in our future welfare. The current health care plan is a hopeful first step in that direction, but there are many more steps to be taken.
12 months ago: Somewhere..............OVER THE RAIN BOW.....Skies are..........................

Holy cow.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Very good points Edward you are right on. Short sightedness is indeed our number one weakness.

We eliminate programs that invest in the future and are penny wise and pound foolish. We can't think beyond the next election. Meanwhile the Chinese are working on the basis of fifty year plans.
12 months ago: How much money have "These People" and their families received for 50 years from the government to pay for the possibility of this process? You think they need more government money on top of the payments for 50 years? Sorry to say. PASS.
12 months ago: Huh?

What'd they say again?
12 months ago: Al.

When's the last time some sun hit your face man?

When's the last time you saw a ray of sunlight?

Still sitting in the basement on the computer?

Get out man.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Hey Red! Good to hear from you. Get out hiking every M. W. Fr. See Lots of Sun here in SoCal. Tan, Fit & having a good time!

While the rest of the country has had Global Wierding we have had paradise.

TCG which people and what process and what money for the past 50 years are you referring to? The poor Cajuns who lost their homes?

Notice how it is always the poor who are most affected by natural disasters? That's because they can only afford to live in undesirable areas like flood planes. Don't think they got any money though and but they might get money if they were rich enough to get flood insurance.

BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: Funny, I always thought that if you choose to build your home in the flood plain of a river, you have to expect to be flooded out once in a while. Kinda like building your house the length of your back yard from the right-of-way of a railroad and being upset at getting woken up in the night by trains passing (for the record, the first house I ever lived in that was on the right side of the tracks was across the street from the houses I described).

I built my house atop a hill where my front door is higher than the roof tops of 2-story houses sited ABOVE the hundred-year flood level. Well before I get water in MY front door some guy's going to have built a REALLY BIG boat and filled it with animals.
12 months ago: Hope it's not built in an area with high winds and possible tornadoes. You don't stand a change at the top of that hill.

BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: If something does happen, the insurance for which I pay will cover it. Pretty much the entire state has the potential for high winds and/or tornadoes. But I would not expect the taxpayers to bail me out.

But that is far different from knowingly building your house IN THE FLOOD PLAIN of a major river. There's a reason insurance companies will not underwrite flood insurance for people living behind a levee. There flooding ins not an "if" but a "when".

Oh, and how is bailing people out from the consequences of their imprudent decisions in any wise "for the common good"? It is only for a few people in a specific part of the country. No one outside that limited geographic area is helped at all.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: However, I would not gainsay private individuals' right to voluntarily chip in to help the people flooded out.

And if MY home/farm/property were one of the ones DELIBERATELY flooded to spare city folk downstream, I might ask aloud "What have THOSE people ever done for me? Why are THEIR homes more important than mine?

Indeed, why are folks in the cities more important than the people upstream? It reminds me of the great line in Orwell's "Animal Farm" - "all animals are equal but some animals are MORE equal." (emphasis mine BC) Why is it acceptable for the government to pick and choose whose property is flooded and whose is to be spared? That would seem to be the very antithesis of fairness and equality. Apparently urban dwellers are more equal than rural.

Well?
12 months ago: My guess is that those nasty urban dwellers pay most of the tax dollars to build those protective levees that make swamp land into productive property. Save them folks (below the levies) that take advantage of ag tax exemptions. That happen to be farming in the natural flood plain? Really? What was it you said about build your house on a hill?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: BC it isn't that the city folk are more important than the country folk, it is that sacrificing the material goods of a few thousand in a planned and orderly retreat from the water is better than the involuntary route of millions.

You are correct that those in the flood plane should have been forwarned when they bought the land that it was subject to flooding.

If I built my home on a riverside I would build it to float. If I built in a forest I would build it to be fireproof. If I built in tornado alley it would be bermed reinforced concrete or underground. Planning ahead can save money in the long run.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago:
"If I built in tornado alley it would be bermed reinforced concrete or underground. "
Either you are being facetious or you are a total nincompoop. Even in tornado alley the storms are not very common. Certainly nothing like the likelihood/frequency of rivers flooding. No one could afford to build if all homes in tornado alley were built to such a preposterous standard. It is cost vs benefit, risk vs reward here. The likelihood of any given spot being hit by even an EF1 tornado is miniscule. But I happened to be going through 2nd semester freshman year finals in 1970 when Lubbock, Texas was slammed by THE TORNADO that spurred Prof. Fujita to develop the scale used to express a tornado's force.

Oh and it is quite easy to get insurance in Lubock - and other places in tornado alley" to cover damage from tornados. Try getting flood insurance when living near a levy.

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