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FOXNews's Libya Military Action Calculator for Taxpayers

Posted 13 months ago|23 comments|465 views
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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
Bravo to FOXNews putting together the web page called the US in Libya Military Action Calculator (source) for anyone to use and calculate his or her percentage of the tax burden for this effort. Next up, can anyone find the FOXNews calculators for the Iraq war authorized by King George, er, former President George W. Bush and his puppet Congress? No? How about the one for the Afghanistan War? No? How come?

Wonder why dear FOXNews is only just now realizing that military actions abroad cost tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars? Estimates now long well published state that it cost $10 billion a month to perpetuate the Iraq war. $10 billion a month? And FOXNews is questioning $600 million for Libyan efforts? Will the forked-tongue nature of this news channel ever cease? Time to nationalize our news organizations. They shouldn't be allowed to be owned by citizens of foreign countries in the first place!
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: Ever wonder why the ones who were so vocal against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are strangely silent now?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: First, Libya is not a war. It is quite similar, in fact, to what happened in Bosnia during Clinton's presidency.

Also, let's not make light of the following facts about the Iraq war in contrast with the Libya military action...
• the Iraq war was not sanctioned by the UN
• the Iraq war was not approved by the League of Arab Nations
• the Iraqi people did not request our help or intervention
• there was no uprising of Iraqi people hoping to win democracy from the fall of their dictator

People will NOT be slilent on Libya if it turns into a war.
13 months ago: OOB
I dont wonder.

Our first mistake was to borrow money to make war. War is no longer a profitable endveour and should simply be avoided at all costs. It was different when we were able to colonize the loosers. but now if we win we end up paying more to the effort.

War should always be pay as you go.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: Slim, that's such an utterly true, yet catastrophically sad comment.
13 months ago: Uh...pay as you go?
13 months ago: King George...That is funny...

Coming from a disciple of the Anointed One.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
13 months ago: Good points Coloranter.

Here is a tax counter for what you are paying for the Afghanistan war: http://rethinkafghanistan.com/iou/

We who protested the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars still object to Libya, but at least the objective is to save innocent civilian lives, and we didn't invade with the intention of stealing their oil.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
13 months ago: I thought it was funny that the invasion was initially called Operation Iraqi Liberation, until they figured out what the acronym was.

Also interesting that Bush's economist admitted it was all about the oil. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: Wow, I hope this isn't checkmate.

Coloranter Raver wrote:

"• the Iraqi people did not request our help or intervention"

Funny, but neither did the Libyan "people".

TRIPOLI, Libya – From her father's compound, struck by U.S. bombs exactly 25 years ago, Moammar Gadhafi's daughter sent a defiant message early Friday: Libya was not defeated by airstrikes then and won't be defeated now, she told a ***cheering crowd***.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110415/ap_o...


Altruist wrote:

"...but at least the objective is to save innocent civilian lives...interesting that Bush's economist admitted it was all about the oil. "

Obama said this about why we are in Libya, and not in all the other repressed countries that have pleaded for intervention:
"It is true that America cannot use our military wherever repression occurs. And given the costs and risks of intervention, we must always measure OUR INTERESTS against the need for action. But that cannot be an argument for never acting on behalf of what's right."
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: I'm pretty sure that it was Donald Trump who said the only reason to interfere in Libya is if we get the oil.

Gee, I wonder if Saddam Hussein's sons were eager for ouster of his regime. Nice call there OotB.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: Donald Trump? Relevance?

Saddam Hussein's sons? Are you implying that the only Libyans loyal to Ghadafi are his relatives? Don't you think that if this was a real "peoples revolution" in Libya it would be over by now? Look to Egypt. No government can stand against a real revolution. This is a pack of insurgents. What are the real percentages of people in favor of overthrowing the Libyan regime?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: I'm all in favor of the present regime in Libya being toppled from within.

Ghadafi is to Libya what Lenin was to Russia. He overthrew the existing king's government to establish a socialist nation, for "the good of the people".

Funny thing is, now people in Egypt are showing their support for the Libyan revolution by waving the flags of the government King Idris, that was overthrown in 1969. You know, overthrown for the good of the people.
13 months ago: There is a TEA Party in Libya?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: Were it not for the giant oil reserves that afforded Ghadaffy billions to buy weapons and build bunkers, yes, I do.

Relevance to Donald Trump was that I don't think anyone believes the President decided to join allies and commit US forces to NATO forces to intervene in Libya over oil which I thought was you implication. Donald Trump, however, did say exactly that.

I believe there are many people loyal to Ghadaffy other than his relatives, I thought you were the one who mentioned the plea from the Libyan girl to stop the bombing, and I thought you were talking about the plea made by his daughter which made front page news.

It has been a state department goal to eliminate Ghadaffy for many presidencies. These are not insurgents. Seriously? These are no different than the sweeping mass revolutions going on across the Middle East which has operated, in general, for way too long under sweltering autocratic and dictatorial principles and antiquated, male-dominated laws. This is no different that what we observed in the history of our nation throughout the previous 230+ years. We need to support and foster all of these new governments into an era of new democracy.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: Yes, this is a direct result of the democritization of Iraq, the domino effect goal sought by the previous administration. However, there is a totally different mindset and collective consciousness in that part of the world, and many of their thought processes are totally alien to ours. That is why many of their words and concepts do have no direct translation into our language. To assume we know what is best for them is the Liberal downfall.

The reason I used the Obama speech quote, "...we must always measure our interests against the need for action..." is that it is almost a mirror image of the speech Clinton used to justify the bombing of Iraq: "...never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so...".

So what did you mean with the "Saddam Hussein's sons" remarks?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: OK, when I referred to the speech given by Ghadafi's daughter, I was emphasizing the "...cheering crowd" part. If, as you and the popular media implied, the war was between Ghadafi's army and the rest of the population, who was in the cheering crowd? Camels and goats?

This is a civil war in Libya. It's being called a revolution to tug at our revolution based heartstrings and stir within us the patriotic fervor that is programmed into us from birth. But remember, strife and turmoil is nothing new in that region. It has been going on for thousands of years. Violence and war is as big a part of their daily lives as backyard barbeques is ours.

Analysts from all over the globe have reached the conclusion that the recent uprisings in the middle east are actually the result of better conditions, not worse. They are becoming better educated, better fed, better medical care. The only thing they aren't keeping up with is better individual autonomy and better income. But they have a survival mentality built in from the past 4000 years of civilization. Even the Egyptian Pharoahs would hoard and ration all the grain produced, in gigantic silos, against the inevitable famine due to unforeseen climate changes or pestilence. They would do that to ensure the survival of the people who might not have the foresight to do it for themselves.

It's a whole different world over there. To apply our logic to their situation is a mistake.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: (a) you are very right about the different thought processes – as a nation we take zero time to understand this concept or even know it exists (case in point: The Chinese do not as a society believe it is possible to own an idea, therefore intellectual property rights make no sense to them)

(b) Clinton justified the bombing of Iraq? Did you mean Bush, or did I just jump into a parallel universe? The quotes are mirror images, note that one starts with "use of force" and one starts with measuring interests – which are very different ideas. Pluse, you will notice one calls for force and the other calls for measured action.

(c) Gadaffy's daughter put out a defiant statement to the press urging NATO to stop bombing her country claiming the USA is on the wrong side of the issue. You had mentioned that the Libyans hadn't asked for our help and I thought you were implying this daughter was an example when, in fact, she's not a good example given her position – it isn't often children of a dictator are in favor of their removal from power.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: "...did I just jump into a parallel universe?"

Welcome to my universe. I like to call it "Reality".

Skip ahead to 6:25 if you wish. But if you want to a carefully crafted speech that is almost eerily identical to Obama's, watch the whole thing. Remember, he had the backing of several top government divisions in a day before we looked to other countries for approval.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIf...
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: I never thought OotB would be on the same side of an issue as...

• Hugo Chavez,
• Fidel Castro, and
• Communist Tunisians

That's some great company!
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: I'm sure there are many issues upon which I could side with Castro, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, and even Lucifer. I'm sure there are even issues I could agree on with the Raver from Coloranto. Some of my best friends are from there. One friend is named Mel. Say hi to him for me if you see him.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: Lucifer even, oh my.

I know two people named Mel (one's a man, one's a woman), to whom should I say "hi" from you?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
13 months ago: The Mel I know is a guy. Loves to ride his bike in the mountains. Married to a nice lady. Adopted some refugee children, and does relief work in Africa. He's so nice it's just sickening. :-)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: Hmm, doesn't fit the description of the guy I know, would have been otherwise cosmic.

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