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Einstein's Theory, Special or Spacial?

Posted 8 months ago|23 comments|456 views
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Out Of The Box
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Well, here we go again. One of Science's most widely revered unproven tenets being challenged by a happenstance incident. Researchers at the CERN facility reported that they have recorded neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light. The neutrinos were clocked at a blistering 6000 meters per second FASTER than the accepted speed of light in a vacuum, and the neutrinos were passing through solid earth. The researchers are being very cautious about their findings, and will send their results to the US and Japan to be reproduced and hopefully verified by independent testing.

Three possibilities spring to mind. Either the researchers were hired by the evil fossil fuel industry to discredit real scientists, and fundamentally cause the general population to doubt the infallibility of Science, or (B) they were just mistaken and their measurements contained errors despite months of painstaking preparations, or (III)Einstein was wrong.

I personally think it was highly irresponsible of the scientists to go shooting 16,000 neutrinos through the Earths crust at speeds that high. If, as Hendrick Lorentz' and subsequently Einstein's theory states, matter becomes infinitely large when accelerated to the speed of light, then 16,000 objects suddenly becoming infinitely large would have most likely caused some traffic jams in that little corner of Europe.

Of course, there are already those scrambling to explain the anomaly within the dogma of accepted physics. Perhaps the neutrinos slipped through a different dimension, taking a shortcut through time and space. Then a new can of worms is opened, opening the possibility of reversing that same inter-dimensional shortcut, and actually send particular information back in time.

So if the speed of light is not the galactic speed limit, what frontiers might be opened with this possible discovery, and what accepted truth might be shattered?
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8 months ago: Another way to look at it is...
The "Scientists" were on speed !:]
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: That's funny.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: Another way to look at it is, the scientists and mathematicians now have a new exciting mystery to explore.

Of course just because one part of a theory is proven to have exceptions does not mean that the entire theory is thrown out and the originator demonized.

Newton was very advanced for his time and Newtonian physics is still relevant and his theories still work for non relativistic mechanics.

Einstein built his work on the back of Newton and many other scientific predecessors. If faster than light particles means that the theory of relativity has to be modified, it will be adding to the great work of Einstein.

The global warning deniers pick out one or two things that conflict with the general theory and think that the entire theory should be thrown out because everything in the universe is not fully understood yet.

This attitude is very foolish. Just because all of the aspects of M theory are not totally worked out does not mean that you should start acting as though the earth is flat and that the sun and planets revolve around it, as people used to believe. All of these theories are not dependent on one thing, they are always being verified and reestablished and adjusted. They are all are based on mountains of observed data, and every new discovery adds to the vast body of knowledge we have that furthers our total understanding of how the universe works.

It just means that scientists have more to learn. How Exciting!
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: That's right. It's commons sense.
I like that "forward thinker" phrase.
8 months ago: No. There is a scientific consensus that you cannot go faster than the speed of light.

Sorry outtabox.

Never happened.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: I find the theories of nutrinos quite interesting.
James Rollins does a lot of research for his books and the last book is based on a story surrounding nutrinos, and its reation to heat and cold. He writes about CERN Laboratories and puts a good spin on it. I thought it was very good reading. Good writing Box.
8 months ago: To believe or state that nothing can go faster than the speed of light is very self-limiting. Now someone has said that something did, no surprise to me.
7 months ago: No Six.

There is a consensus of 99% of all great, thinking minds that nothing goes faster than the speed of light, and you are a racist, homophobe, SOB, neandrethal if you think otherwise.
7 months ago: What has race, sexual orientation prejudices, my personal disposition (because I know you didn't call my mom a shedog) and my genetic background have to do with being open to new ideas?

Not too long ago, 99% of all (supposedly) great, thinking minds thought the world was flat and that you would fall off it if you sailed too far......
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: I would think that it could go faster than the speed of light. Doesn't mean that it is good. This fascinates me.
James Rollins separates fact from fiction in Notes from the scientific record: In his book The Devil Colony forward he takes from fact and research:
Quotes: Nanotechnology. It is the next big leap in scientific research. In a nutshell, it means manufacturing at the atomic level, at a level of one billionth of a meter. 300 billion of them would fit within a period. ..... Nano-goods are found everywhere: toothpaste, sunscreen, cake icing, teething rings, socks, cosmetics, etc.
Downside: Nanoparticles can cause illness, even death. UCLA scientists have found than nano-titanium oxide can trigger damage to animals at the genetic level. Carbon nanotubes found in thousands of everyday products, including children's safety helmets have been shown to accumulate in the lungs and brains of rats. He goes on in his information to say: Aluminum foil is harmless enough and convenient for wrapping up leftovers, but break it down into nanoparticles, and it becomes explosive.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: The earth is constantly bombarded by nutrinos from space.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: Tachyons (particles that go faster than light) have been suggested way back in the 60's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

This is very exciting news to all of the sci fi buffs! It is almost certain that there are thousands of other intelligent species out there somewhere. We are finding lots of other worlds that are in the sweet zone that contains liquid water like the earth. 10% of known planets circling stars resemble earth. Any possible sites on earth contain life, even in areas that are generally considered to be hostile to life. We have also found signs of life in metorites that have come from other planets. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/m...

Therefore it follows that if there are planets with water that they probably contain life. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/j...

So we have been spending a lot of time searching for radio waves from other planets, and people are starting to get discouraged since we haven't found any yet.

If alien species are more advanced than us, they probably wouldn't use radio waves to communicate with other planets, because it would take thousands of years for a message to reach another star system. If they were more advanced than us they would probably use tachyons to communicate and they would travel at faster than light speeds by using wormholes or something like that which we are not advanced enough to understand yet.

Looking for radio waves is probably similar to suggesting that all sailors communicate with messages in bottles.

Science fiction writers have been suggesting the possibility of faster than light communications and travel for a hundred years. It is about time that scientists are catching up with the real forward thinkers.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: Fact based or fiction based thinking?

I see where a "top astronomer" has predicted that we will encounter intelligent alien life within the next twenty years..http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jun/27/alien-encounters-twenty-years-russian-astronomer

and no surprise, those aliens will see our rising greenhouse gasses and destroy us because we obviously pose a threat of being intergalactic polluters. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/a...

Those people at The Guardian UK are really fact based, and certainly wouldn't promote an agenda couched in absurd "science".

"Scientists catching up with the real forward thinkers." That's a quote I'll be using in the future.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: New discoveries are based on forward thinking. If it weren't for people taking that risk, we would be still living in the caveman era. Thinking is all empowering and never should be criticized for someone that says that there is more yet to be discovered. We haven't touched the tip of the iceberg.
People like Einstein led us this far now it is up to the coming generations with pioneering minds and spirit to move on and upward into the centuries to come. Where would we be if it weren't for those before us that were able to see more. We would be living in the dark ages if it weren't for their "thinking" and questioning.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: Box....sure something faster than the speed of light could open new dimensions and new possibilities.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: Yes, I always considered faster than light travel possible. I couldn't wrap my brain around the theory of relativity, because it makes no sense to any thinking person. To assume many of the tenets (light speed is always constant regardless of source, mass becomes infinite as velocity approaches light speed, etc.) are just ways of plugging a good imagination into the vast craters of things we know abysmally small portions about.

Then, because Einstein was such a cult figure, his slightest conjectures were transformed into the ultimate, or at least penultimate truths. All the time he was pretty much guessing, and it took over 100 years for the technology to catch up enough to possibly prove him wrong.

Think how many discoveries into the TRUE nature of the physical world have slipped by, because our bright young minds were fettered by the pronouncements of the High Priest of Science's.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: Well said, Box.
anonymouse
anonymouse
Swaziland
7 months ago: Sunny and paper tiger write the same.
Amazing coincidence or the same person.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: I would not even consider that PT and Sunny2 are the same person. The styles are nothing alike. However, I would probably consider Anonymouse and English Male to be the same. Among others.

You know the saying about the glass houses and the bricks.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: I don't think I missed an episode of Star Trek. Sort of kicked off the whole science thing and made you wonder: (Such Great Monologue from Star Trek). Looks like it just might live up to its words.

"Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Her five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before."
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: The latest (for those who know more than we of abysmally meager understanding of relativity) is that intergalactic relativity has finally been proven.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/0...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: I read the article. They are making claims that do not even have anything to do with the study. The only thing they can claim, if verified by independent review, is that light particles are affected by gravitational fields. Stronger gravitational fields cause a loss of energy in photons, which would negate the premise that the speed of light is constant, even when in the vacuum of deep space.

This study is no more astounding than the prediction that a black hole swallows all photons crossing its event horizon. It's common sense, plain and simple.
7 months ago: I'm a big fan of all your contributions so far OOTB, so as usual I'll say "nice post.

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