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Difference Between Liberals and Conservatives

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Do you want to know one stark difference, among many others, between liberals and conservatives?

Remember way back, when we were attacked. 3,000 people were killed on 911? Any number of people agreed, including the Kurds in Iraq, that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and could use them against thousands of other Americans.

Remember when President CLINTON and his cronies were saying Sadam had weapons of mass destruction? http://www.jrwhipple.com/war/wmd.html

After hundreds of Marines had been killed throughout the world by these Sadam associated scumbag, muslim terrorists, Bush and a coalition of armed forces invaded Iraq?

(Or in liberal parlance, "Remember when Bush Lied?!?")

Remember the idiotic singer from Dixie Chicks in a foreign land during a concert bashing President Bush?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/1...

She was ashamed her President came from Texas. She bashed our President in a foreign land.

Well, the shoe is currently on the other foot.

Pick a topic. For instance, on the following website, President Obama, by most accounts, looked like an blithering idiot in espousing a "peace proposal" that would do anything but bring peace to the middle east.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/1...

Obama has terrorists licking their chops to rid the world of Israel.

Absolutely buffoonish.

And what do conservatives do about it? Go to a foreign land and bash President Obama?

No.

Stark difference.
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12 months ago: You know that foreigners can read this stuff on the internet, right?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: My computer only has a Local Area Connection.
12 months ago: I will be stealing that joke.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: Seriously though, it's not the same thing to be sitting here having a discussion amongst ourselves that a foreigner might eavesdrop into. We aren't going out into rest of the world, standing up on stage, and telling audiences of Obama's deceptions and mismanagement.
12 months ago: Uh....Five....that's not what the Dixie ****es did in England.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: The main difference between Liberals and conservatives is that liberals are reality based and conservatives are faith based.

Take for example your example about Saddam. The CIA dismissed claims that Saddam was buying Yellowcake from Niger or that the Aluminum tubes were to be used for centrifuges for a nuclear program, but a special branch of the Vice President's office spread these deliberate lies as evidence of something they believed on faith.

In fact Saddam was a brutal but effective bulwark against terrorism, there were no terrorists in his country, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Their nuclear program had been abandoned 5 years earlier, the nuclear material that was left was under lock and sealed by the IAEA, and there was no WOMD. We knew that. The UN inspectors on the ground knew that, but Bush removed the inspectors and invaded before their conservative dupes knew that. Some like you still don't.

There is a movie out now that is very good that is about the processes, called Fair Game. You might learn something.

Liberals seek out the facts and respond to them. They make observations and use the scientific method and rationality to determine the best way to respond. Conservatives hold onto ideas that have no basis in reality but embrace these ideas for ideological reasons and then cherry pick "Evidence" to support their preconceived notions.

The Dixie Chicks were right all along. So is Obama.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: So Pelosi, Gore, Reid, Lieberman, H. Clinton, and the hundreds of other Democrats that wanted to invade Iraq were wrong too? You mean they just took what information they were fed by others and made world changing decisions based on lies? Nice to know they have everything under control. Is that what you mean by "Liberals seek out the facts and respond to them."?

Everyone cherry picks evidence to support their ideas. It's called rationalization. It's a uniquely human trait, and no one particular group is more prone to it than another.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
12 months ago: Score a point for OotB! Rationalization. Very true. Every chrry picks what they need to support their ideas. Yes they do and politicians are among the most effective people when it comes to this practice. Which is why it behooves the liberals and conservatives to (a) commit what you just said to memory, (b) research and study more before spouting off about the truth of any issue, (c) realize that everything is far, far, far, far more complicated and interconnected than it may seem, and (d) comprehend the fact that this interconnectedness is what makes solving global problems so much more complicated than the simplistic solutions being proposed constantly by the right and the left. There are no more, zero, simple problems with simple solutions. We live in a global system where decisions being made effect every living being on the planet from the deepest ocean to the highest mountain top. One of my main contentions is that human beings as a whole simply are too ignorant of the complexity we face. Worse, now due to sound-bite journalism, we are reduced to snippets of understanding painted by someone with their own agenda (which is why I have written and been ignored so completely on the topic of needing to understand not just what someone is saying but why they are saying it). My many good-hearted and well-meaning colleagues on RantRave spend a lot of time simply accepting what they hear and read and believe. Which is all well and good if we are to continue on a perilous path. Instead, we all need to take a step back, listen, and realize that we are indeed being manipulated by the powerful on both sides with extreme views of our future.

I use the climate crisis as a prime example. This is a global problem that's been in the works for 3 centuries. The data is clear as is the science. Neither side will solve the problem, and the earth will tip into cataclysmic change more than likely ending our existence as we know it. The only solution? Work together.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: The data IS clear. The Earth has been warming for 18,000 years. Climatology historians have determined that during the last million years or so, approximately every 100,000 years the Earth slips into an Ice Age. Of interest , for the past 300,000 years the climate has been LESS moderate, with higher peaks and lower lows, than the previous 500,000 years.

Also, evidence suggests that increased CO2 levels follow warming trends, not warming trends follow increases in CO2.

It is as you say, CRR. There is a plethora of evidence, much of which seems contradictory. Just because the majority of scientists (or people in general) believe a particular theory does not make it so. Look at Christopher Columbus, who went against popular wisdom and sailed off into the unknown to prove the world was actually round. All the others who changed the widely accepted "science" and continue to do so today. But we are still just scratching the surface of understanding. The Earth will slip into the next major glaciation, which by the way, is overdue, and nothing we do will stop it.

http://absolute-truths.com/wp-content/up...

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/20...

http://coastalchange.ucsd.edu/images/gla...

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachm...
12 months ago: Define "reality" Al.

To a socialist, "reality" means a his own poop does not stink.

To a conservative, "reality" means everybody's poop stinks.

I'll give you credit though Al, you're sticking it out here and throwing it back at me. All the other liberals/socialists like Hey Noni, Siempre and that other wacko liberal (redundant) from Kentucky who recently left us, all go away and quit posting here at Rantrave.com. You're still nuts, respectfully. You live in your own little world and make stuff up as you go along. You're teaching me how liberals/socialists think.

Like...............Saddam a bulwark against terrorism! Huh? He was paying the families of muslim suicide/homicide scumbags $30,000.00, for every innocent child they blew to smitherines. http://www.husseinandterror.com/

Try getting out in the sun sometime Al. That moldy basement is affecting your brain man.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
12 months ago: The agenda, and the mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, Marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real

Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government,

Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation,

Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors,

Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT AND COMMIE HUNTER.
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Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
12 months ago: RSG, the reality is that you and those in your camp as well as the liberals and leftists you abhor are all being manipulated to believe what those who wish to be in charge of you and your beliefs want you to believe. OotB above is exactly right. And what is their motivation? To get your vote, stay in power, and continue to manipulate the world and our government toward their own gains. And thus is how it has always been.

Given that, what are we left with?

We can continue to be their puppets and go along with one of two letters (D) or (R) and just sway with their winds –– given your RantRave user name of RedStateGuy it appears you've elected to sway with the (R) and fewer on here, it seems, choose to sway with the (D) –– OR we can choose to become educated on issues, seek to digest their complexity, accept that nothing is as easy and simple as it seems (especially not global problems), and strive to improve our world for the common good and practice some of the principles set forth in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

People, lift the veil and review these simple words that inspired the founding of a nation. These should be the words that guide, direct, and motivate us. We should be seeking perfection, justice, common defense, general welfare, and liberty.

There's nothing in the preamble about hate? Nothing about inequality? There's justice, perfection, defense, welfare, and liberty! That's it. Those are our five benchmark keywords. Embedded in them are our past and our future.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: Well said CRR.
12 months ago: Colorado.

Let's get a few things straight.

I do not "abhor" liberals, leftists, socialists, communists, etc. I think they are idiots or derranged in some way and beyond help, but I don't abhor them.

The words "hate" and "racisim" only come out of liberal's/socialists' mouths.

And respectfully, you are a socialist and its seems from previous rants a closet communist.

Nope. I disagree with you completely. We should "strive" to follow ALL, not "some" of the prinicpals set forth in the preamble and the Constitution. It is disingenuous to pick and chose. Those principals worked just fine before liberals/socialists slithered into power.

And most republicans suck too.

We teabaggers will save the republic, and you can tag along some more.

Respectfully.
11 months ago: "We teabaggers will save the republic"

Really? As much as I would like somebody, anybody to save the Republic, I don't see it happening. We're too busy fighting each other to sit down and figure out what we need to do. Both sides are wrong, it's not all the Republicans fault.

Clinton had Bin Laden in his sights and was not allowed to fire. If he had the World Trade Center might still be standing today.

Bush downplayed Bin Ladden and gave up the hunt after years of war bogged down in uselessness.

Obama sent in the SEALS and took Bin Laden out, yet there are those that refuse to give him credit.

While I agree with some of the basic principles of the Tea Baggers, like less spending, they have too much nut case baggage to be effective. I don't know who can save us, but they better do it before China forecloses on us.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: In answer to the question for discussion, Altruist responded
"The main difference between Liberals and conservatives is that liberals are reality based and conservatives are faith based."
That is very interesting, Al, because from where I sit it is the progressives who seem to have a less-than-firm grasp of reality. You believe that something can arise out of nothing. That order can arise out of disorder. That life can arise from non-living materials and that mechanisms which invariably DESTROY/DAMAGE data can sometimes CREATE data. You believe that all people are fundamentally good and altruistic. And seven other impossible things.

From where I sit it is the progressives, the left who are out of touch with reality. Michael Savage contends that liberalism is a mental disorder. I believe that - far from being rooted and grounded in reality, it is you "progressives" who are (forgive the pun) out in left field.

So who is right? You? Me? Both of us? Neither? Or is it simply a matter of perspective?

Oh and I was always taught that progressives are in love with change - even for its own sake - where conservatives are against change. I have no problem with change, personally, so long as it can be demonstrated to be for the better. Change for the sake of change is foolishness and a waste of whatever resources were expended to effect the change.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Red - Reality is when you can observe things and use the scientific method to formulate and test explanations for those observations. http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_lab...

BC you have given a good example of faith based rather than fact based reasoning. You assume that because we can't explain something completely, than it must be god that did it. You start with belief in the bible and then try to fit the world into that framework.

We rational people are OK with knowing that we don't know all of the answers - yet. but we keep trying to learn more and more so we keep getting closer to the truth.

We are even open to the proposition of there being a god that created everything. It is just that there is no evidence that we can test. But the evidence is that there are billions of other planets that have life and hundreds so my main objection is that your god is too small and your petty, cruel and vengeful god of Abraham wouldn't be an acceptable god to the denizens of those other billions of civilizations. http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Your-god-is...

As far as Liberalism being a disease, there is a lot of scientific evidence that there is a "Liberal Gene" that in combination with a nurturing environment will turn out people with all of the qualities society considers "Good". Likewise the lack of dopamine receptors in combination with capital punishment will cause people to be cruel, bigoted, violent, close minded and most of the other negative qualities that are associated with conservatives. http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/The-Liberal...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: There is evidence of life on other planets? I'd love to see some evidence.

See, your science deals in a lot of "what if"s.

"What if there are are billions of other planets? What if they can support life? What if that life is intelligent? What if they believe in a god?"

But one thing you aren't willing to consider is "What if the "petty, cruel and vengeful" is really the One True God, and I am too small to ever understand why?"
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: Altruist wrote:
" You assume that because we can't explain something completely, than it must be god that did it. You start with belief in the bible and then try to fit the world into that framework."
Not at all. My reasoning is not at all "faith based". It is merely that absent some sort of Creator, then all we see MUST, by default, have arisen spontaneously from nothing. Actually, even believers believe that all we see came out of nothing. They just believe that it was brought into being by a Creator. I agree that there is no evidence we can test FOR ANY ORIGINS EXPLANATION. However, we CAN test elements of the alternative explanation to a Creator. To date there has been no explanation put forward to explain the existence of the universe itself. Postulating some sort of oscillating (expanding and contracting) universe simply puts off the question of origins.

It is the same with life. Clearly life came from non-life. The only two possibilities I can see are that either life arose spontaneously or it was created. To date there has been no experimental data to confirm that in any testable scenario, life ever spontaneously arises from non-life.

Macro evolution is the only alternative to a Creator of which I am aware. The only mechanism ever - to my knowledge - postulated to be the mechanism for macro evolution is mutation. But to date there is no evidence that mutation ever does anything but destroy data. But macro evolution requires the creation/generation of data. The evidence for this is that unicellular organisms have as few as .5 mega base pairs whereas Homo Sapiens Sapiens has in excess of 500 mega base pairs. That is a data increase by a factor of THREE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. Whence came that thousand-fold increase in data?

As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote" "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Oops! I meant corporal punishment. But of course that is an oversimplification and as Colorado Ranter says things are always more complicated than we think. In fact we are all a wide spectrum of behaviors that are influenced by numerous environmental, genetic, chemical and psychological factors. As Colorado Ranter said we are all being manipulated. I think we are manipulated by corporate power elites and the evidence can be found by following the money. Red thinks we are being manipulated by the vast left wing conspiracy to socialize the world, his evidence is the voices in his head. (Get your aluminum foil hat back on Red)

Even Red has a little Big Government Liberal in him (He thinks the government should pay for space exploration, and I have some conservative leanings (I don't like abortion).
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: "...corporate power elites....conspiracy to socialize the world..."


It's really the same thing, Altruist. Did you know that the majority of socialist uprisings were financed by corporate elitists?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Are all of the uprising in the middle East and Africa being financed by corporate elitists? No I don't think so. People just want jobs, freedom and the ability to raise their families in peace.

The corporate elite wants to maintain power over the poor everywhere so they can exploit their labor and steal their resources. We end up supporting the most oppressive countries in the world like Saudi Arabia, which has spread terrorism all over the world, because we are addicted to their oil.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: If your cruel petty god that demands that a woman who was raped be stoned to death (http://www.evilbible.com/ ) is the best god you can come up with I would rather believe in the flying spaghetti monster, because her teachings are much nicer and because she probably looks more like the millions of other alien races than the old man with the beard does. http://www.venganza.org/

This makes a lot more sense than the 10 commandments:

THE EIGHT I'D REALLY RATHER YOU DIDN'TS

I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou **** When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don't Believe In Me, That's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn't About Them So Don't Change The Subject.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjigate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Dont Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This Through You Thick Heads: Woman=Person, Man=Person. Samey-Samey. One is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal And Fuchsia.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off The TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build MultiMillion-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/ Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go around Telling People I Talk To you. You're Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can't You Take A Hint?
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses Alot Of Leather/Lubrication/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures, And For The Love Of Mike, Wear A CONDOM! Honestly It's A Piece Of Rubber, If I Didn't Want It To Feel Good When You Did It I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.

In the name of His Noodly Goodness, RAmen.

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