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Dan Savage... it gets better yet!

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Dan Savage has started a YouTube campaign for gay teens to let them know "It gets better" ...and for them not to give up, inspired by the sad hopeless actions of a gay teen who committed suicide. I am writing this post in response to a comment I received... along the lines of a Christian perspective, people want to understand.

Homosexuality: The Christian Perspective...
http://bible.org/article/homosexuality-c...

IN other posts I have divulged how brutal I lived, and the needless viciousness I perpetrated on others... but I have NEVER been brutal to anyone who was homosexual, nor advocated brutality toward someone because of their orientation. Mine more was a curiosity to the very human story and driving force that causes us to live and choose our lifestyles. I have always had a compassion toward those "caught" in a lifestyle that I deemed wrong or different than what I considered "normal" ...because there was a time in my life that I could have done far worse, for "love" or money.

It is no secret, my disdain for anyone to force their lifestyle on me or my family, as I am sure it is for others when faced with my pressing opinions. But there is a question that has always been lingering on this subject... even in the face of all the "bigoted" opinions out there... and that is, why do homosexuals give their lives to Jesus? IF Christianity is a "hateful" religion, oppressively narrow and hurtful...
why do so many give their lives and souls back to this God of the Bible?

AS in the testimonies in the Video section to the left, some have found the hope and love that they were looking their entire lives for, in the person of Jesus Christ. I too have found the forgiveness and hope in the one deemed "dead" by society... only to be found very much alive and worthy of worship. IT matters little if one is caught in a relationship or pattern that is confusing or destructive, a cycle that is promoted or persecuted by society... one's identity can only come from one's Creator. I am not a "homophobe" because I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle... any more than I am a "heterophobe" because I disagree with a active heterosexual lifestyle outside of marriage. Sexual orientation only describes our desire... not our identity.

AGAIN the question remains... why do homosexuals give their lives to Jesus Christ?
One can see why, if they were not the so-called "abomination" of the Bible...
why would someone who is singled out this way even seek God?
Because like the rest of us sinners... in word, thought, and deed...
we find purpose and forgiveness in the Hands of our Creator.
ONE only has to call out to Christ to find this reality.
ONE has only to reach out to the God of the Universe to find Him reaching out to them.

God is not limited by the lives that trust in Him, God's love is not in any way hindered by those who may claim to speak for Him... the ability of GOD to understand, feel and touch, is not in any way restricted by religion. Jesus Christ is so much more, and so much better than those who represent Him...
...and my message to Dan Savage... it gets better yet!

"Therefore Jesus said again, "Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it."
John 10:7-12

UPDATE - 38 months ago
NEWS FLASH: "'Gay'-rights leaderquits homosexuality
Rising star in movement says God liberated him from lifestyle...
He was a rising star in the "gay rights" movement, but Michael Glatze now declares not only has he given up activism – he's no longer a homosexual.
Glatze – who had become a frequent media source as founding editor of Young Gay America magazine – tells the story of his transformation in an exclusive column published today by WND."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTI...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/magazi...
UPDATE - 28 months ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
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Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: TB,
An interesting post to say the least.

It would be unlike me not to disagree with your use of the word "lifestyles" in your post. I had thought human civilization had finally advanced past using the term in reference to gay and straight people – not that I don't doubt there are people who choose to lead homo or heterosexual lives for whatever reasons they may choose. Nonetheless, there are still gay and straight people who do not choose to be so but are genetically born so and grow up hoping to lead the life programmed into their DNA by whomsoever once chooses to believe does the programming – I'm guessing you believe that to be God. Which inadvertently, in my humble opinion, sort of answers your central question as to why a gay person would choose to give his or her life over to God or Jesus. Isn't it quite obvious. If a person is simultaneously born both gay and into a Christian family which hasn't evolved enough to have read how little of the Bible and certainly nothing from Jesus himself is ever written about being gay or straight, then what's this person to do? He or she is raised to believe that God loves everyone even the worst possible of all sinners, and he or she is raised to believe he or she is a cardinal sinner, so then what? Is he or she to turn his back on his religion? Or rather is he or she to assume God of all entities still loves him or her unconditionally?

It's one of the oddest schisms in all of Christianity that God would make gay people and then disdain them? It's all fine and dandy and Christian-correct to say, they are loved but their behavior is disdained. It's just a behavior that can be corrected or worked out some how. It's fine to say, it's an abomination because God made people to fit together and reproduce so He must not have wanted any other kind of love or activities between people. Of course, we have no idea as mere mortal human beings what God really wanted. We have the Bible and the 10 Commandments, but...
40 months ago: CR,

What is interesting is... the very "science" that claims God made people gay or homosexual... is the same "science" that denies His existence. To the point, if God's Word the Bible says that immorality like that of extra-marital sex ... heterosexual or homosexual sex is wrong, and to be repented of... then it is clearly a matter of choice, not a birth effect or defect according to God.

"...do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Science does not say God created anything because there is no scientific evidence that God exists.

So, there is no incongruity.
40 months ago: CR,

I get that... Science does not say God created... but some argue that the alleged scientific evidence is out that homosexuals are born that way.... and then use that argument to say that God made them that way and then judged them, saying that is not fair. But God has never said in the Bible that is the way He made them... and along with other immorality (like any sex outside of marriage), it is to be turned from... in response to God's claim on our lives. MORE importantly, God is able to meet the needs and desires of our lives... having created us and our hormonal differences, He can meet all our needs and desires.

I guess the "nutshell" is that if you say that it is "wrong" for anyone to judge anyone else... where is your basis for morality? The Bible says it clearly we have the right to judge those within our faith so that God is represented accurately... yet we don't disassociate with those outside the faith, because we are trying to... on one hand show error... yet show compassion to them at the same time....

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: ...we really don't have an idea what God really wanted. We do know that God never gave license for us to judge each other. That we know. Certainly the teaching so Jesus would solidify that one fact. Yet, there is so much judgement in the Christian world that fights gay marriage, gay adoption, gays in the military, gays in our nation, gays, gays, gays! On the one hand, I bash them because I see them as two-faced as they are not out ther fighting to keep divorced people from these same set of rights and the Bible says so much more about the sins of being divored than it ever does about being gay. Why do these Christians pick on gay people more than divorced people? Are they out picketing the funerals of service men because we have too much divorce in our nation? I then bash them because their very fervor on the issue of homosexuality, in my view, is rooted in judgement that which God never surrendered to them. Where in the Bible or in the teachings of their savior Jesus Christ did it say, "Devote your life to judging gay people."? Even if Commandment number 11 was delivered from on high by the Archangel Gabriel himself and it said, "Thou shalt not be gay." Where in the commandments or the Bible or the teachings of Jesus does it say, "You, Christians, I am putting you in charge of public policy, laws, and rules regarding homosexual adherence to these rules, devote your life to fighting against their rights and fair treatment? Where? Even if it did say this, if you can reform on eating pork, why cannot you reform on your policy about gay people.

There are just way too many mixed messages, mixed up ideas, and blatant examples of hypocrisy for my taste.
40 months ago: CR,

You asked... "Why do these Christians pick on gay people more than divorced people?" ...I agree that there are devastating effects of divorce as well, yet you seem to think that because Jesus said "judge not" (condemn not), that we are not to have sound judgement about what is right or wrong. For those who think that God blessed the homosexual orientation, didn't get that idea from the Bible. The Bible clearly shows what God says and thinks about any given issue... and homosexuality is not an exception to the rule... rather one of the reasons for it...

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
Romans 1:26-27

For a more comprehensive comment on the issue see...
"What's wrong with being gay?
Homosexual behavior versus the Bible"
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/ai...

40 months ago: ...again those who have come out of the homosexual choice say it is just that, like the lady in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2X8T0cyI...
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: No, what I was saying is that God gave we mere humans no license to judge each other nor to enact judgement.
40 months ago: CR,

ON the one hand you say God doesn't exist... (or maybe that's just my perception), and then you say that He doesn't give us license to judge or enact judgement.. I agree in the sense that God doesn't want us to "right-off" anyone, or not forgive anyone... but all through the Bible God tells us what right and wrong is... and that we all must be of sound judgement.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: From a purely scientific perspective, there is no scientific proof that God exists.

So working in a theoretical box with a system of rules, let's say earth, with the Bible being the word of God, God specifically does not ever give man the license to judge other humans. In fact, God will be our judge. Within this box, I don't see even if God told us what was right or wrong, assuming we are capable of correcty interpreting the Word of God which I'm not sure how we could possibly be capable of that when we are barely capable of tying our shoes, and God was capable of creating the universe, how we are capable of judging our fellow man. And by judgment, I mean telling someone else what he or she is doing is right or wrong. Who among us knows enough to know what God wanted?

On a different personal note, I would be interested in how you reconcile Old and New Testament. I do not profess to have your depth of Biblical knowledge, but I know that there are things that have been reconciled such at the whole issues of dietary restrictions that God supposedly told us were and were not to be eaten. There are hundreds of better examples, so I'm just wondering how these are reconciled in your box.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Because you could be bringing a lot of woe if you aren't really certain what is good and what is evil.
40 months ago: CR,

IF you are referring to science that is observable... all you have to do is open your eyes and see that everything is in perfect order... somewhat in decline... but held in perfect order. NOT even a hint of chaos... the evidence that is presented in the Bible that God created everything and now holds it all in the counsel of His will is indisputable... simply that one cannot disprove that God exists and does what He says, because everything is in harmony with what He says in the Bible.

NOW everything is in order except one part of His creation... that is mankind. He has given mankind freewill and by thus doing so has created a forum for chaos within perfect order. HE has given mankind rules and guidelines for health and welfare... and also some guidelines for punishment and restoration. THE Old Testament is the "physical" of the New Testament, which is the intent or "spiritual" fulfillment. The Bible states that the Old Testament was the shadow of things to come... same God, same judgement, only now the penalties are levied on God (Jesus Christ) as taking our place as the punished. Sin still has "natural" consequences... however the ultimate price (separation from God in eternity) has been paid-for; all that remains is the acceptance of that from Christ.

Here is a situation recorded about 2000 years ago...

"The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole household."
(Acts 16:29-34)

Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: I never specifically addressed your video link or the idea that people can choose to come out of it. In my lifetime I have never met a person who was gay who could choose to come out of it any more than I've met a straight person who could choose to come out of it. Now, have I met straight people who dabbled in the gay world and vice-versa, yes. I have met more gay people that dabbled in the straight world than vice-versa, however, and most have told me they wanted to be sure, or were ashamed based on the way society treated them, or were raised in a very religious home and wanted to try not to dissapoint their parents.

I do not believe for a second that being truly gay or straight is a choice, and I have a fundamental problem with people who say, "Ok, fine, it's not a choice, but you can choose not to live that way."

If you want me to believe in God and live in the God Box, I can do it, but there is no way I am going to play in the God Box with Bible rules and Jesus as His son and believe that God ever wanted there to be no gay people, no gay marriage, and rampant hatred against a segment of his creations. No way. I am not going to buy that. Nothing in anything that Jesus ever said or did or demonstrated by way of life leads me to believe he would have a problem with Gay people. The Biblical passages people quote as the root fo their hatred, fear, and loathing would be one thing if they were on top of all the other parts of the Bible they never want to talk about (c.i.p. – all the parts about what will happen to people who get divorced, covet thy neighbor's goods, eat off the God-approved diet, etc.).
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Truth? Everything is in perfect order? Except humankind due to our free will?

Not to get too tautological on you but even if it were true that everything were in perfect order that would be proof of nothing, let alone that God exists. But it isn't even true that everything is in perfect order. What's in perfect order?
40 months ago: CR,

You said it yourself... no matter the mountain of evidence for people that are homosexual and then give their lives to Jesus, and their direction changes... you will not believe. That is what is called willingly ignorant. Because the facts don't fit with your public school indoctrination... "one being born gay" ...you simply will not except the testimony of many who live and prove the contrary. It is not hate or loathing to point this out... simply the facts.
40 months ago: "Perfect Order" ... referring to the balance that is in the animal and plant life... no greed or partiality... the planets in perfect orbit... and so on... factoring the law of entropy, a wearing out and slowing down. Proving a beginning, and an expected end.... but until that point existing in perfect order and harmony, except man's struggles.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
40 months ago: Scientific proof? That is the bottom line from someone that couldn't and wouldn't admit the scientific proof on Global Warming over a year ago?

You still won't admit that the other planets as reported by NASA are also in a warming phase. Now to say you need scientific proof that GOD exists is ludicrous. You can't have it both ways buddy.

By the way...Have you ever in your life made a "Leap of Faith"?

NO? Trust me. When the time comes your going to be praying to GOD.

Science or not.
40 months ago: Exactly!
40 months ago: I think it strange that someone can discount the video posted and others... because of our current religion of "political-correction" ...it would seem just as "bigoted" as the religion they are opposing. But the "elephant in the room" ...is still there...

Why do homosexuals repent and come to saving faith in the Biblical Jesus Christ, even though many report Biblical Christianity to be oppressive and bigoted?

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