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Can you lose your Salvation? Part Two

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WHAT DID OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST SAY ABOUT THIS in the GOSPELS?
Matthew 24:13 - "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." ~ Note: Part of the meaning of the word "saved," from the Greek word "sozo," is "to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgement." The word that Jesus Christ spoke will judge in the last day (John 12:48). That hasn't happened yet, so technically we are not saved from that yet. This being saved is clearly conditional. We must ENDURE to the end, and then we will be saved.

Let's look at the same story in the gospel according to Luke. After that I have much more SCRIPTURAL PROOF.

Luke 12:45,46 - "But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the UNBELIEVERS." ~ Note: That's plain and simple. One can be a servant of Christ, start the practice of sin, and not be ready for eternal life when Christ comes back again. This person will go where the unbelievers go. I don't think you need me to tell you where that is. SO WATCH OUT.

JESUS THEN EXPLAINED THE PARABLE of THE SOWER

Luke 8:11-15 - Jesus said, "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved (note: these people don't become believers to begin with after they hear the word of God, but the others next do believe and get born again because they had overcome, but they lose their life in Christ and fall away because of sin). But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while (note: They were born-again believers, but they had no root because they were not strong "in Christ."

They should have learned the word of God better. But even if they would have had some root, God still could have cut them off because of unbelief, just like you'll see it is in Romans 11:17-22) and in time of temptation fall away (note: They had been set free from sin, but they didn't resist the temptation of sin when the devil brought it. The Greek word for "fall away" is "aphistemi." It means they "depart, desert, withdraw, fall away," whichever definition you choose to use, from having life in Christ. They no longer have belief which means they "become faithless" because they fell for the temptation of sin).

Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and they are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity (note: Sin destroyed these lives as well. The sin of greed. I will also show you later that you need to bear good fruit). But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it (note: The Greek word for "keep" is "katecho." It means "hold fast, keep, stay" in regards to "from going away." Clearly this is our personal responsibility to continue to believe the word of God and to remain faithful to Him) and bear fruit with patience." ~ Note: The Greek word for "patience" is "hupomone."

It more correctly means "enduring, perseverance, the characteristic of a man who is not swerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings." To be saved at the end, you must persevere while bearing good fruit. Jesus made it clear that a true believer produces good fruit, and that the human will is involved IN REMAINING A BELIEVER, since He says we must "keep it" and "persevere." Christ proves here that no one is eternally secure no matter what they do.
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8 months ago: Jesus said: "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:28)


8 months ago: That is true, however it's up to you, for example, just off the top of my head.


Adam and Eve was in the Garden, they sinned, refused to repent, and was put out.

King David sinned and repented was forgiven, all God want's us to do when we sin is to repent.

Saul, did not repent.

Judas, was with Jesus, but now he is not.

Read the book "Pilgrims Progress" or see the movie


8 months ago: Hebrews 10:29 - Of how much WORSE PUNISHMENT, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified (note: this person was saved, see, he had been sanctified) a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? -

Note: I think I can answer that by saying a MUCH WORSE PUNISHMENT for the backslider who does not repent.
8 months ago: Revelation 2:5 - "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, OR ELSE I will come to you quickly and REMOVE YOUR LAMPSTAND from its place -- unless you repent. ~
8 months ago: Revelation 3:16 - "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth." ~ Note: Christ wants to vomit these believers out of His mouth. Then they would not be "in Christ" anymore.
8 months ago: "Removing lamp-stand" is not salvation... "the seven lampstands are the seven churches" (Revelation 1:20).

"Vomit out of His mouth" does not say you loose your salvation, you take such liberty assuming these verses mean that. You are in danger of adding to the Book of Revelation as you warned. The context of Revelation 3:16 has nothing to do with loosing salvation, rather that His children repent.... here is the context...

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
"19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me." (Revelation 3:14-20)
8 months ago: "Fortunately whether you believe you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Your salvation isn't dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation."
http://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine...

"If anyone tells you that you can lose your salvation, they are teaching HERESY! The Bible NEVER mentions that if a person gets saved, they can lose their salvation! No one wants to admit the plain truth that once your saved, your always saved! If your a Christian that believes you must work for the assurance of your Salvation, YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED! May God speak in your hearts with this message on Salvation, Amen."
http://www.dividedbytruth.org/BD/lose_sa...

The following is 25 reasons why salvation is permanent for Christians...#5
5. It is not logical to argue that we are able to pay any of the debt demanded for our salvation. It must be paid for by another or we are not able to acquire it. As the downpayment was made by another, so must the remaining "payment" be made by another. This "payment in full" is called "propitiation," referring to the completed work of Jesus Christ. To argue that Christ did not make the payment in full, but requires us to make the remaining payments to ensure our salvation, is to be what the Scripture calls "an enemy of the cross of Christ" (Phil. 3:18). [For further study read "How can a man atone for the sins of mankind?"]
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules....

"The Charismatic are also plagued with this false belief that a person can lose their salvation. The Bible teaches, If Saved, Always Saved..."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/eternal_security.htm
8 months ago: Let's focus there Pastor Truthbrary, is Judas in Heaven?
8 months ago: Ed,

Jesus said that Judas was lost in fulfillment of scripture, but none other because there is no other scripture like it to be fulfilled...

"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled." (John 17:12)

...you are saying that many others can be lost, when clearly that isolated scripture prophesy has already been fulfilled. IN the face of what Jesus said... "not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction" ...you are contradicting Jesus.
8 months ago: Again it is clear that they were never saved to begin with, they left "us" because they were not of "us" the scriptures teach...

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1 John 2:19)

...what good is salvation if you can just screw it up again? If your "good works" can't save you... neither can your "bad works" loose you!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:3-5)


Born again "unto a lively hope... an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God" ...you can't get any clearer than that. If you can't see it... you can't see it.
8 months ago: (Mat_27:5) that he went away in despair, and was suffocated (so the word signifies there, and no more); here it is added (as latter historians add to those who went before) that, being strangled, or choked with grief and horror, he fell headlong, fell on his face (so Dr. Hammond), and partly with the swelling of his own breast, and partly with the violence of the fall, he burst asunder in the midst, so that all his bowels tumbled out. If, when the devil was cast out of a child, he tore him, threw him down, and rent him, and almost killed him (as we find Mar_9:26; Luk_9:42), no wonder if, when he had full possession of Judas, he threw him headlong, and burst him.

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