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Can you lose your Salvation? Final.

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TASTELESS SALT is WORTHLESS

Luke 14:34,35 - Jesus said, "Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is neither fit for the land nor for the dunghill ("kopria" in the Greek, it means "manure pile"). but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" ~ Note: In the ancient world, salt was often used as a catalyst for burning fuel such as cattle dung. The salt of the time was impure and could lose its strength over time, becoming useless. Jesus' point is that the same is true of a "saltless" disciple. He will be thrown out. The Greek word for "salt" is "halas." It also means "wisdom and grace exhibited in speech." The Greek word for "flavor" is "moraino." It also means "to be foolish, to make flat and tasteless." So if our speech becomes tasteless, we will be thrown out. Maybe you heard this saying before, "watch your mouth."

John 15:6 - Jesus said, "If anyone does not abide in Me, HE IS CAST OUT as a branch and is withered (note: in order to be cast out, one must first be "IN Christ"); and they gather them and throw them INTO THE FIRE, and they are burned." ~ Note: The Greek word for "abide" is "meno." It also means "remain, continue, endure, not to depart, to continue to be present, to remain as one, not to become another or different." Surely, this is a warning to stay in Christ, which means it's possible to not do so. To be throw into the fire and burned is clearly about God casting someone to hell where they will be consumed with fire. This will happen to a former branch in Christ. So this is a clear teaching of Jesus that it is necessary for us believers to continue to walk in the sanctification given us at the new birth. We must keep believing and OBEYING HIS WORD (John 15:9,10), or we chose to stop our relationship with Him.

Philippians 2:12,13 - Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ~ Note: The Greek verb for "work out" is "katergazomai." It also means "to perform, accomplish, achieve, to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing." Either way you look at it, this is something that we are told to do.

Colossians 1:22,23 - ...to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight -- IF INDEED YOU CONTINUE IN THE FAITH, grounded and steadfast, AND ARE NOT MOVED AWAY from the hope of the gospel... ~ Note: Again, this is conditional, with the phrase here "IF indeed you continue." The Greek word for "continue" is "epimeno." It also means "to stay at or with, to tarry still, still to abide, remain, to persevere."

1 Timothy 1:5-7 - ... sincere faith, from which some, HAVING STRAYED, HAVE TURNED ASIDE TO IDLE TALK, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. ~ Note: That clearly says some have strayed from sincere faith. Their faith has become false and they got that way because of their idle talk. EVEN SOME PREACHERS have strayed because they desire to be teachers of the law. So WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL if even just what we teach can lead us away from sincere faith. If you're not sure that your doctrine is absolutely, scriptural correct, then it's best to stop trying to teach and read the word of God more so you can learn to teach what is right, because this Scripture explains that someone can stray because of what they teach.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now THE SPIRIT EXPRESSLY SAYS that in latter times SOME WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. ~ Note: Paul sounds like he's really trying to get the point across by stating: "the Spirit expressly says." With this kind of language, we better pay attention. It clearly says that some will depart from the faith. The Greek word for "depart" is "aphistemi." It also means "to desert, to fall away, become faithless, to withdraw one's self from." Either way that you look at it they stop having the faith. SO BE CAREFUL of deceiving spirits and KEEP THE FAITH..

Hebrews 3:12,13 - BEWARE, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in DEPARTING FROM the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. ~ note: This flat out says that us brethren have to beware of departing from God. The Greek word for "exhort" is "parakaleo." It also means "beseech, comfort, to call to one's side, to admonish, to encourage, strengthen, to instruct, teach."

Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become partakers of Christ IF WE HOLD the beginning of our confidence STEADFAST TO THE END. ~ Note: That also is conditional security of being "in Christ." If we hold steadfast to the end implies that one can possibly not do it, and fall. You may be confident in Christ now, but the word IF is a big word. It means that you could not have that partaking of Christ at the end. So be careful and HOLD ON.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. ~ Note: The Greek word for "enlightened" is "photizo." It also means "imbued (permeated) with saving knowledge." The Greek word for "tasted" is "geuomai." It also means "partook of, enjoyed, experienced." The Greek word for "if" here is "kai." It does NOT mean "if." It means "and, also, then." The NASB has the correct translation here: "and then have fallen away." The "if" is not justifiable. It makes it look like that if you ever fall away then you can never get back.

Hebrews 10:26 - IF WE SIN willfully (as opposed to sins committed inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness) AFTER we have received the knowledge of the truth, THERE NO LONGER REMAINS a sacrifice for sins. ~ Note: Some people try to be wise and come up to me with, "Oh, but this is only about head knowledge and not heart knowledge." But that makes no sense, because the phrase "there no longer remains" means that they did once have the sacrifice for sins. So this IS about former Christians who formerly had a good heart.

Hebrews 10:29 - Of how much WORSE PUNISHMENT, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified (note: this person was saved, see, he had been sanctified) a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Note: I think I can answer that by saying a MUCH WORSE PUNISHMENT for the backslider who does not repent.

James 5:19,20 - Brethren, if anyone among you WANDERS from the truth, AND SOMEONE TURNS HIM BACK, let him know that he who TURNS A SINNER FROM THE ERROR OF HIS WAY WILL SAVE HIS SOUL FROM DEATH and cover a multitude of sins. ~ Note: If the backslider does not get corrected, his soul will perish with spiritual death. That is not everlasting life. The word "wanders" also means "to sever or fall away from the truth, to be led astray into error and sin."

Revelation 2:5 - "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, OR ELSE I will come to you quickly and REMOVE YOUR LAMPSTAND from its place -- unless you repent. ~

Revelation 3:1-5 - ..."I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before My God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." (To blot out his name means the name was in the book before and the name was removed)

Revelation 3:16 - "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth." ~ Note: Christ wants to vomit these believers out of His mouth. Then they would not be "in Christ" anymore. In very vivid terms, the Lord rejects the halfhearted efforts of self-satisfied Christians. If someone has become wealthy and thinks they have need of nothing (Rev.3:17), they just might get vomitted out. The word "lukewarm" is "of the condition of the soul wretchedly fluctuating between a torpor (a state of being inactive, sluggishness) and a fervour (great warmth of emotion, zeal) of love." If we really love God, we will obey and keep His word (John 14:21,23).

Revelation 22:19 - and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. ~ Note: CLEARLY, God can TAKE AWAY the eternal life that someone thinks they have, and also their part in heaven (the holy city) will be TAKEN AWAY, and also the final redemption in Revelation will be TAKEN AWAY. They all mean the same thing: "Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG.

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8 months ago: "Fortunately whether you believe you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Your salvation isn't dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation."
http://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine...

"If anyone tells you that you can lose your salvation, they are teaching HERESY! The Bible NEVER mentions that if a person gets saved, they can lose their salvation! No one wants to admit the plain truth that once your saved, your always saved! If your a Christian that believes you must work for the assurance of your Salvation, YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED! May God speak in your hearts with this message on Salvation, Amen."
http://www.dividedbytruth.org/BD/lose_sa...

The following is 25 reasons why salvation is permanent for Christians...#5
5. It is not logical to argue that we are able to pay any of the debt demanded for our salvation. It must be paid for by another or we are not able to acquire it. As the downpayment was made by another, so must the remaining "payment" be made by another. This "payment in full" is called "propitiation," referring to the completed work of Jesus Christ. To argue that Christ did not make the payment in full, but requires us to make the remaining payments to ensure our salvation, is to be what the Scripture calls "an enemy of the cross of Christ" (Phil. 3:18). [For further study read "How can a man atone for the sins of mankind?"]
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules....

"The Charismatic are also plagued with this false belief that a person can lose their salvation. The Bible teaches, If Saved, Always Saved..."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/eternal_security.htm

8 months ago: Again it is clear that they were never saved to begin with, they left "us" because they were not of "us" the scriptures teach...

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1 John 2:19)

...what good is salvation if you can just screw it up again? If your "good works" can't save you... neither can your "bad works" loose you!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:3-5)


Born again "unto a lively hope... an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God" ...you can't get any clearer than that. If you can't see it... you can't see it.

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