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Can Jews be condemned?

Posted 25 months ago|35 comments|511 views
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Edward Lee
Canada
Will Jews be condemned to Hell or not in Heaven if they reject your version of Jesus?

Everyone.

He came to His own and they received Him not.
All, Christians support Israel, Christians are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, we know were our roots and our future is. There are many Jews that are Born again Christians, in the end times at the Battle of Armageddon the Jews will call on their Messiah and he will reveal Himself and will stop all of the nations that come to wipe Israel of the face of the map and they will be saved.

First of all this is not my version, it is the truth from the Word of God, I am happy that these question are being asked.

1. My plan is to first of all prove that the Bible is the Word of God.

1. To explain why God had to come as a human and die so that we could regain the relationship, that Adam gave to Satan. How ever I will answer your questions.

The following scriptures, tell of Paul a Jewish priest
call by God and converted to be an apostle of Christ, was thrown into jail.

He was not afraid but was singing to God, an angle of God opened the jail door, the guard was so afraid because he would be held responsible.

Acts 16:26

Suddenly, there was an earthquake so violent that the foundations of the prison were shaken. All the doors immediately flew open, and everyone's chains were unfastened.
Act 16:27 When the jailer woke up and saw the prison doors wide open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, for he thought the prisoners had escaped.
Act 16:28 But Paul shouted in a loud voice, "Don't hurt yourself, for we are all here!"
Act 16:29 The jailer asked for torches and rushed inside. He was trembling as he knelt in front of Paul and Silas.
Act 16:30 Then he took them outside and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 They answered, "Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you and your family will be saved."

Other Scriptures:

John 14:5 Thomas said, "Lord, we don't even know where you are going! How can we know the way?"
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life!" Jesus answered. "Without me, no one can go to the Father.
John 14:7 If you had known me, you would have known the Father. But from now on, you do know him, and you have seen him."

Matthew 7:13 "Go in through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is spacious that leads to destruction, and many people are entering by it.
Mat 7:14 How narrow is the gate and how constricted is the road that leads to life, and few are the people who find it!"

Romans 10:7 or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
Rom 10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
Rom 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:





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25 months ago: I like being a Whosoever.
markbyrn
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25 months ago: So Jews who don't covert from Judaism to Christianity are condemned to Hell? A simple yes or no will do.
25 months ago: MY GOD! It's suddenly so apparent!! I mean, the first 40 bajillion times Christians told Jews "But just look at the passages!!!" we all rolled our eyes and were promptly slaughtered by crusaders/inquisitors/whatever. BUT THIS TIME IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!! HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO BLIND!!!!

I mean, it's only circular logic!!! The passages are proof that Jesus is the Savior, and the passages are valid because Jesus is the Savior. Since circles are perfect...IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

The above was sarcasm. To show that it was sarcasm, here is the coding to show I have ended the sarcasm.


Okay. Seriously? Congrats on trying to prove God. I'm sure you'll succeed where millions more who were smarter and more clever than you have failed. I'm sure you've studied all those previous efforts and attempted to learn from them before repeating their failures ad nauseum to the delight of Internet trolls everywhere. What? You haven't? You're just gonna look like an ignorant, closed-minded person who feels the need to push their beliefs onto everyone else? Okay, have it your way.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: AV,

Hold on hoss, you leave Ed alone - he's the new Chaplain for RantRave.com and when our Chaplain writes, the thinking has been done.

I just wish that today's evangelical ministers of the whole cloth were more direct in their language; they have to be forked tongued you know because the namby pamby liberals have made it near a crime to publicly condemn all those false religions like Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and so forth.

Back in the day, fiery prophets like the great leader of the Protestant reformation, Martin Luther spoke publicly and plainly! Why, just look at these quotes from the Most Reverend Luther on the Jews:

"be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils ... they know they are steeped in manifest vices mently, just as the devils themselves do. And where you see or hear a Jew teaching, remember that you are hearing nothing but a venomous basilisk who poisons and kills people"

"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians."

Now that's an honest Christian minister who's just oozing with unfettered Christian love - isn't that right Chaplain Ed?
25 months ago: Chaplain Edward.

Make sure to pray for all the people on this site (like I do) regularly.



25 months ago: Hate to bust your bubble and I am not trying to discourage you from attempting what you said you wanted to do, but.... You got two number 1's and there is a big problem.

The first number one is not provable; it must be taken on faith and faith alone. Nothing you can say, read, preach and no amount of circular logic will prove anything other than some very nice people wrote some books with a lot of good ideas and some other smart people collected them into one place and then edited them to say what they wanted so that one basic story is contained in one book. If you have a time machine, I’m willing to go with you to get proof.

The second number one is not true at all. GOD did not become human and die. That is according to the very book you are trying to prove true. God's son (Jesus) came to Earth to die to prove that God existed and that if you have faith in his existence and obey the commandments that he put forth via his (God's) prophets (contained in the Bible) and wish to have everlasting life in Heaven, you have to profess your belief in him (Jesus). You are going to have everlasting life either way, the difference being going to Heaven or Hell to live it.

There is a reason why it said this way: The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost (or Spirit). God is the father, Jesus is the son and the Holy Ghost is….. someone’s going to have to help me here cause I never did figure out who or what that is supposed to be but I know that the HG is part of the Holy Trinity which is part of the religious doctrine of the Catholic Church and a few others, just using them as an example.

Some of you are devout and know the correct answers; it’s time for you to speak up.

As for what is going to happen to the Jews, you have to believe in the Bible to pass judgment on them and if you believe in the Bible, you aren’t going to be passing judgment on anyone and if you don’t believe in the Bible, what difference does it make?
25 months ago: "GOD did not become human and die."

That's an opinion. Not a fact.
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
25 months ago: Yes, no human being, including Jews will be save unless in the name of Jesus.

To: Posted 2 Hours Ago
Anonymous Voice,

This is not a competition,to find the truth you have to have humility, that is why those that are self sufficient cannot submit to someone that may be God. Let me ask a question, will we die? Do we have a living soul? Don't know? Would you like to find out?

Romans 1:21-22: says, "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

We must come to God simply, as a child would. The Bible says, "The least among us and the most humble shall be first." It tells us that the way to heaven is narrow and that because of our sin, few shall find it.

Let's pray, Huey and Markbyrn come into agreement, Lord we thank you for what you have begun on this site and for all that are participating and others that are just observing, as they read your Word it will quicken their spirit, revel in yourself to them Lord, as I write about humility no one had more love and humility than you, you came from Heaven to be beaten and died a cruel death on the cross because you love us so much that you did not want us to be commended forever. Amen

Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
25 months ago: The first number one is not provable; it must be taken on faith and faith alone. Nothing you can say, read, preach and no amount of circular logic will prove anything other than some very nice people wrote some books with a lot of good ideas and some other smart people collected them into one place and then edited them to say what they wanted so that one basic story is contained in one book. If you have a time machine, I’m willing to go with you to get proof.Posted 26 Minutes Ago
sixholdens

How do you explain that their are over 300 Prophies that Jesus will come to earth to be crufied.

That the Jews that were scattered all over the World would come back and become a nation.

That they would take possession of Jerusalem. But those who are filled with the Holy Spirit, their proof is tangible.

It reminds me of the Story of this student of Darwin, that met this old Pastor, all during the trip, he tried to convince him that God did not exist, approaching the end of the cruise, he said, will are you convinced, the old pastor said I found your conversation most interesting, but son, I just spoke to him this morning.

To the unbeliever God is invisible, the closer you get to Him, you begin to step into the supernatural!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: The Christian apologist will often present indirect proof of a deity through the cosmological argument or teleological reasoning.

However, even if one rationally deduces a deity that exists outside of time and space (becoming an agnostic creationist), it would be a contradiction of rational deduction to leap the chasm of logic to identity the deity as a three-personage entity that sent itself into time & space to die for itself and demand worship on the penalty of damnation.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Chaplain Ed,

...Yes, no human being, including Jews will be save unless in the name of Jesus...

Thank you for the concise answer but Moses and all the other famed Biblical characters from the Tanakh didn't get saved in the name of Jesus. Perhaps you meant to say all human beings except those in the Tanakh, or are you saying that Jews are saved under the banner of Jesus yet need not subscribe to an actual belief in Jesus?

Also, as it appears that you're a Biblical scholar, perhaps you can indulge me in answerig a conundrum. In the Christian Bible, Jesus was quoted as saying, "You have heard that it was said, Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person..."

That's rather odd considering that Jesus as God in the Torah personally established the convention of an eye for eye as lawful justice, and Jesus should have said, "I wrote in the law or my father wrote in the law: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured."
25 months ago: Ed, I don't have a need to explain any prohies, whatever they may be.... Prophecies on the other hand are the realm of believers in such and only need to be explained to those who want to believe in the mystical. I would have to believe in the ability of humans to foresee the future before I would have a need to believe in prophecies. I’m not discounting the ability; I just don’t put much faith in it, mainly because I have yet to see it happen on a sustainable schedule in my or any other person’s time.

You are forgetting the number one thing that has to happen before I have to explain anything in the Bible, I have to believe that it is what you say it is and since that isn’t going to happen….. You have to prove what you say about God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost, and the Bible, without ever referring to it. If you can not prove what you say without referring to a book that has no way to prove it’s veracity, then what you are trying to prove must be taken on FAITH and Faith alone. I do not have faith in your book so I do not have to explain any of the prophecies, why the Jews became a nation or any of that other stuff.

As for your Darwin tale, the old pastor was talking to his imaginary friend, a lot like many other people do. You would have to have faith to believe that he was talking to God and for him to tell the student that he spoke to “him” that morning is tantamount to admitting he is speaks to imaginary beings. Just because he believed he was speaking to God does not make it so. The Pope claims to be appointed by him, that doesn’t mean I believe it, last I checked he is elected by a bunch of other Catholic Church bishops/priests.

To the believer and the unbeliever God is invisible. Why? Because if you are a believer, you can not look upon the face of God, that old death thing for doing such, and the unbeliever doesn’t see imaginary beings.
25 months ago:
My understanding of religious people tells me that they fear supernatural things, in fact they tend to destroy anything that even begins appear other than perfectly natural so when you use that term, you are straying into shaky ground. Just research the Salem Witch Trials for a starter.

If you want to have a self fulfilling religion, start one just like L. Ron Hubbard did and write all the text to sell to your followers. He made millions doing it, he had an excellent example too, they just started a few hundred years earlier………..
Edward Lee
Edward Lee
Canada
25 months ago: One God 3 persons "The Trinity"
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

John 14:6 Jesus answered him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to the Father except by me.
John 14:7 Now that you have known me," he said to them, "you will know my Father also, and from now on you do know him and you have seen him."
John 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father; that is all we need."
John 14:9 Jesus answered, "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why, then, do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 14:10 Do you not believe, Philip, that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I have spoken to you," Jesus said to his disciples, "do not come from me. The Father, who remains in me, does his own work.

John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. If not, believe because of the things I do.

John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 From the very beginning the Word was with God.
John 1:3 Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

Trying to explain the Trinity is not easy, I wrote a chapter to try to explain it, I will post it after I am finished with "The History of the Bible"
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
25 months ago: The following is a speech of Seneca Chief Red Jacket. It was an address to missionaries who saought his conversion and that of his tribe back in 1805. Here is the link.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/nativeamericans/chiefredjacket.htm

Here is the text in its entirety.


*Friend and Brother: It was the will of the Great Spirit that we should meet together this day. He orders all things and has given us a fine day for our council. He has taken his garment from before the sun, and caused it to shine with brightness upon us. Our eyes are opened, that we see clearly; our ears are unstopped, that we have been able to hear distinctly the words you have spoken. For all these favors we thank the Great Spirit; and him only.

Brother: This council fire was kindled by you. It was at your request that we came together at this time. We have listened with attention to what you have said. You requested us to speak our minds freely. This gives us great joy; for we now consider that we stand upright before you, and can speak what we think. All have heard your voice, and all speak to you now as one man. Our minds are agreed.

Brother: You say you want an answer to your talk before you leave this place. It is right you should have one, as you are a great distance from home, and we do not wish to detain you. But we will first look back a little, and tell you what our fathers have told us, and what we have heard from the white people.*

Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
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25 months ago: continued from previous comment

Brother: Listen to what we say. There was a time when our forefathers owned this great island. Their seats extended from the rising to the setting of the sun. The Great Spirit had made for the use of the Indians. He had created the buffalo, the deer, and other animals for food. He'd made the bear and the deer, and their skins served us for clothing. He had scattered them over the country, and had taught us how to take them. He had caused the earth to produce corn for bread. All this He had done for his red children, because He loved them. If we had any disputes about hunting grounds, they were generally settled without the shedding of much blood.

But an evil day came upon us. Your forefathers crossed the great waters and landed on this island. Their numbers were small. They found friends and not enemies. They told us they had fled from their own country for fear of wicked men, and had come here to enjoy their religion. *They asked for a small seat.* We took pity on them, granted their request, and they sat down amongst us. We gave them corn and meat; they gave us poison in return.

The white people had now found our country. Tidings were carried back, and more came amongst us. Yet we did not fear them. We took them to be friends. They called us brothers. We believed them, and gave them a large seat. At length their numbers had greatly increased. They wanted more land; they wanted our country. Our eyes were opened, and our minds became uneasy. Wars took place. Indians were hired to fight against Indians, and many of our people were destroyed. They also brought strong liquors among us. It was strong and powerful and has slain thousands.

Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
25 months ago: Brother: Our seats were once large, and yours very small. You have now become a great people, and we have scarcely a place left to spread our blankets. You have got our country, but you are not satisfied; you want to force your religion upon us.

Brother: Continue to listen. You say that you are sent to instruct us how to worship the Great Spirit agreeable to His mind. And if we do not take hold of the religion which you white people teach, we shall be unhappy hereafter. You say that you are right, and we are lost. How do you know this to be true? We understand that your religion is written in a book. If it was intended for us as well as for you, why has not the Great Spirit given it to us, and not only to us, but why did He not give to our forefathers knowledge of that book, with the means of understanding it rightly? We only know what you tell us about it. How shall we know when to believe, being so often deceived by the white man?

Brother: You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agree, as you can all read the book?

Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
25 months ago: continued

Brother: We do not understand these things. We are told that your religion was given to your forefathers and has been handed down -- father to son. We also have a religion, which was given to our forefathers, and has been handed down to us, their children. We worship that way. It teaches us to be thankful for all the favors we receive; to love each other, and to be united. We never quarrel about religion.

Brother: the Great Spirit has made us all, but He has made a great difference between his white and red children. He has given us a different complexion and different customs. To you He has given the arts. To these He has not opened our eyes. We know these things to be true. *Since He has made so great a difference between us in other things,* why may we not conclude that He has given us a different religion *according to our understanding?* The Great Spirit does right. He knows what is best for his children; we are satisfied.

Brother: We do not wish to destroy your religion, or to take it from you. We only want to enjoy our own.

Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
25 months ago: continued

Brother: You say you have not come to get our land or our money, but to enlighten our minds. I will now tell you that I have been at your meetings, and saw you collecting money from the meeting. I cannot tell what this money was intended for, but suppose it was for your minister, and if we should conform to your way of thinking, perhaps you may want some from us.

Brother: We are told that you have been preaching to the white people in this place. These people are our neighbors. We are acquainted with them. We will wait a little while, and see what effect your preaching has upon them. If we find it does them good, and makes them honest, and less disposed to cheat Indians, we will then consider again what you have said.

Brother: You have now heard our answer to your talk, and this is all we have to say at present. As we are going to part, we will come and take you by the hand, and hope the Great Spirit will protect you on your journey, and return you safe to your friends.

25 months ago: Rudi, if only we were as wise as Chief Red Jacket and could see as truly as he and his advisors could. If there was ever a "faith" I could adhere to it would be that of the Native American that lived on this continent before the white man came and spoiled it. As it is, I will keep my own council and Ed can preach to the choir.

Thanks for posting the Chief’s speech, been a while since I read it.
25 months ago: Ed, you don't have the words and they aren't in that book that will convince me so I'm going to let you try it on whoever wants to pick up the slack.

Adios.
25 months ago: "My understanding of religious people tells me that they fear supernatural things"

Not me. I embrace them.

Whether you all like it or not, Ed is reaching out and helping a lot of people and is not just "preaching to the choir."

Just because the scriptures he brings to your attention makes you uncomfortable does not negate their power to help change someone else's life for the better.

It's not all about us.

Even if he was "preaching to the choir" that's okay.

Because a lot of people in the choir need to be saved to.
25 months ago: Huey, far from uncomfortable with the quotes from the Bible, just expressing my side of the coin and hoping Ed will get the idea that quoting from a book that first has to be believed in so that people will think that they have to believe in it so that they believe in it so that they will convince others to believe in it so that they will believe in it...... Just doesn't work for me. No one will convince me of it's authenticity until the Vatican releases any and all documents in their vaults so that they can be freely translated into other languages by unbiased linguists instead of the purposely written version of the truth that was put out several hundred years ago by a religious group of dubious virtue.

Go for it Ed, Huey is right about that choir thing, I've found the biggest sinners were "under the steeple" every time they opened the doors.
25 months ago: Sixer. You're a good man and you strike me as very honest man as well. I appreciate that about you.

There's a book by Josh McDowell, "More than a Carpenter." Please pick up a copy. Short book, about a 100 or so pages. You can get if off Amazon for about $4 bucks. I think it will prove a good read for you. Seriously.

Personally, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I just put it out there when I feel the time is appropriate. It's a part of me that gives meaning to my existence.

To me, my relationship with the God of the Bible is supernatural. It's a faith journey for sure. However it is faith journey built on years of study, research and even more importantly LIFE experience. It works for me.

If someone else isn't there, I can't fault them. There is so much crap out there that masquerades as "Christianity" it's sickening.

My life is beautiful and amazing. I don't know what my life would be like without God.

But I'll tell you this, there is no way it could possibly be better, given the high standard My Father God has set before me. I have to be successful because He's provided all I need to be that.

25 months ago: The death and resurrection of Christ. There are skeptics but there is plenty enough evidence if you do the research to believe it. What it Does for me is ts makes me appreciative of all I have and all I go through.

Jesus bled, suffered and died for ME (you too-btw).

No one else has to believe it. And no one else can believe it for me. I believe it. And because I believe it it's settled. I KNOW He is there for me and that He will never leave me or forsake me. The Creator of the universe promised it to ME.

Unconditional love and forgiveness by the Creator. What's better than that?

Now someone may want to call me delusional.

I really don't care.

I know I'm happy. My life is full. My family is blessed and we all have purpose and dreams which we share together.

I'm not denying reality, I have found it.
25 months ago: Also --

Rudi... Nice addition to Edward's post.

I quoted Geronimo and Sitting Bull in one of my recent Rants.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: There's a good critical review of Josh McDowells "More than a Carpenter" at:

http://tinyurl.com/yqldvq

A comprehensive rebuttal of his more well known book "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" is at:

http://tinyurl.com/6nuohu

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies...Benjamin Franklin
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Huey,

Christian apologetics is not really designed to convince unbelievers - it's designed to prop up the believers faith using pseudo-rationalism, or to convince the doubting faithful from jumping ship once they find out more about the religion they bought into after they get 'converted'.
25 months ago: Read the book anyway.

There are critics of everything. Just read the book then you can decide for yourself and not go on someone else's hearsay.

Also there are plenty of other books out they that do a terrific job of dismantling skepticism.

Like I said before, your are free to believe what you want.

I'm satisfied with the fact that I know who I am and Whose I am.
25 months ago: MB -- You just don't believe it. And I not sure if Jesus Himself came to you that you would.

That's ok. That's your choice. I don't claim to have all the answers but I have enough research and evidence to convince ME.

Do I have all the answers, No. But you don't have all the answers either.

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Huey,

I'm merely challenging those who claim to have all the answers, especially when their answers condemn other religions. The title of this topic is, "Can Jews be condemned?" and was written by a Christian who is selling his notion of Christian supremacy and condemning Jews and anybody else who doesn't subscribe to his religion.

...And I not sure if Jesus Himself came...

If the Jesus that's documented in the Christian Bible came back and demonstrated true supernatural abilities as opposed to the charlatanism of today's Christian faith healers and self-styled prophets, that would be very convincing.

Of course the chances of that happening are about the same as the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Tooth Fairy making an appearance.
25 months ago: Thomas has nothing on you my brother. lol

25 months ago: The author of the post quotes Romans 10:9 and I want to comment about the Christian view of salvation.

([Some of this reply is based on the premise that Tan''kh is the Word of the Creator. Everyone does not agree with that premise. A proof that Torah contains the instructions of the Creator is found in http://bloganders.blogspot.com (right menu))

(le-havdil) How to live in order to enable the Creator in His loving kindness to provide His foregivness is outlined in Tan’’kh ( the Jewish Bible) ; and was also taught by the first century Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth (the Mashiakh; the Messiah) (His teachings are found here: Netzarim.)

Tan’’kh – for example Yekhëzqeil (Hezekiel) 18 – promises foregiveness to those and only those who do their sincerest to keep the mitzwot (commandments) in Torah. The Creator cannot lie and He does not change (Malakhi 3:6)! According to Tehilim (“Psalms”) 103 the Creator gives His foregivness to those who do their sincerest to keep His berit (“covenant”; the pre-conditions to be included in the berit is according to the Jewish Bible to do ones sincerest to keep Torah). (Part 1 of 2)
25 months ago: No human can keep Torah perfectly. There is a provision. Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh lived and kept Torah with the sincerest of his heart, died innocently and became a sacrifice. Because of that the Creator can give His foregiveness for the short comings (in keeping Torah) to everyone doing his/her sincerest to keep His instructions found in Torah, and to everyone turning away from their Torah-breaches to instead starting to do their sincerest to keep the instructions in Torah.

Thus the NT-view of getting salvation by believing in Jesus contradicts Torah

Anders Branderud
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Anders,

Welcome aboard and thanks for contributing to this weighty topic. Your points supports my belief that Christianity was a heretical sect of Judaism that essentially transformed the monotheistic God of the Torah into a three headed double-dealer who now condemns the Jews for following the Torah and not accepting an alleged human incarnation of the three headed double dealer.

While the Christians use the Jewish Bible as a reference point, they pejoratively call it the Old Testament as though God couldn't get it right the first time around, and to quote the "Old" Testament:

'For I HaShem change not; and ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed'

What do you think about that Chaplain Ed?

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