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Call Their Bluff!

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Altruist
Eugene, OR
President Reagan turned the country from the largest creditor nation into the largest Debtor nation and raised the debt ceiling 8 times. Bush's Vice President Cheney, said that Reagan Proved Deficits don't matter, so Bush went from huge budget surpluses to huge deficits, by increasing military spending 150%, starting two wars, and by giving away huge tax breaks to the rich. Bush extended the debt ceiling 7 times and said it was just book keeping. The Bush economic policies destroyed the economy. Those Bush tax cuts and the military spending still accounts for one half of Obama's deficits and one half of the rest is due to the recession that Bush caused.

Now even though 3/4ths of the Debt is from Republican policies, the Republicans are suddenly concerned about deficits, and they are holding America hostage, unless they get their way and shift the responsibility for paying off that Republican debt on the backs of the poor, the old, the infirm and the children. They are absolutely opposed to having the rich or the corporations, who benefited most from the Republican Largesse, share the pain.

The Republicans are hiding a lot from the American people.
1. Republican Leaders Agree U.S. Default Would Be a "Financial Disaster"
2. Ronald Reagan Tripled the National Debt
3. George W. Bush Doubled the National Debt
4. Republicans Voted Seven Times to Raise Debt Ceiling for President Bush
5. Federal Taxes Are Now at a 60 Year Low
6. Bush Tax Cuts Didn't Pay for Themselves or Spur "Job Creators"
7. Ryan Budget Delivers Another Tax Cut Windfall for Wealthy
8. Ryan Budget Will Require Raising Debt Ceiling - Repeatedly
9. Tax Cuts Drive the Next Decade of Debt
10. $3 Trillion Tab for Unfunded Wars Remains Unpaid
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/23...

The majority of people in the country would like to see the military budget cut and 80% want increased taxes on the millionaires, yet the Republicans are willing to destroy the countries economy, to allow the rich and the corporations to keep their tax Breaks.

Obama and the Democrats aren't even asking for new taxes on the rich. They are only asking that some of the subsidies to the oil companies who are making record profits be ended. They also want to close some tax loopholes for the super rich.

Is that really worth creating a financial catastrophe that will be worse than Bush's Economic Collapse? If the US defaults on it's debt for the first time ever. We will instantly loose 10% of our GDP and would result in a 44% cut in the governments budget. We would instantly be in a recession and would probably pull down much or Europe and the rest of the world with us. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/analyst...

Right wing ideologues and some Tea Party lawmakers think this is a good idea.

Since they are mostly rich, they don't care about the government shutting down services the poor depend on, and people loosing unemployment. They have always been in favor of eliminating as much of the government as they can (except the military and subsidies for Big Business).

But lets think about that a bit. The stock Markets will tank. Who looses the most money if that happens? The Rich and the Corporations.

Few of us are old enough now to remember but when Wall Street collapsed on "Black Thursday", October 24, 1929, there are stories of bankers that jumped from upper story windows because they had lost everything. The corporations will loose trillions.

Of course when many corporations close down it will result in many more job losses, and the unemployed will loose their benefits so the poor will be hurting.

But the bigger they are the harder they fall. The poor in this country are already suffering. Things can't get much worse for them. But imagine what would happen if a gizilionaire suddenly ended up in the soup lines.

The point of course, is that the rich and the corporations will never let this catastrophe happen. After all they own the Republicans. The markets and the corporations need and require stability. Why would they be willing to jeopardize all of their wealth and their corporations for a few measly tax breaks?

It is a bluff. It is time to call it.

Obama has bent over backward to accommodate the Republicans, but the Republicans haven't moved an inch. They insist that their debt be paid off by ending Medicare and by throwing the old and sick out into the street. They refuse to allow any cuts to the military or to have the rich or corporations pay their fair share. They voted to Increase military spending, to lower tax rates on the rich and to give them another trillion dollars.

The Democrats should hold firm. OK means testing to stabilize Medicare is OK with me, but let's not destroy the most popular program we have, and while Social Security doesn't add a dime to the debt, I wouldn't mind increasing the cap to $250,000 to stabilize SS until well past 2050. But the budget shouldn't be balanced entirely on the backs of the poor. The rich and the corporations have never had it so good. Our taxes are at a 60 year low and the rich are only paying about 17%, 2/3rds of the corporations pay no taxes at all. It is time they share in the sacrifice and the pain and pay their fair share.
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10 months ago: Amen!
10 months ago: Absolutely.

No bailouts.

No move on the fundamentals.

No cuts without tax increases. Revoke all Bush tax cuts, eliminate all subsidies for big business.

For every dollar cut to social programs that help the poor, cut a dollar from military.

10 months ago: What is fundamentally wrong with our tax system is being played out in congress right now and that is BULLIES! Time and time again you see it. Some one wants something and instead of compromising for some similitude of what they want they threaten boycott! How the heck can we possibly have a tax system that works when all parties can't even expect to sit at the table without already finding opposition? Tell me, how?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: You are right when the bullies use terrorist tactics to threaten the entire nation they should be thrown in prison or at the very least loose their jobs. The trouble with negotiation with terrorists is that once paid they just go out and find another hostage. Once Obama capitulated and agreed to extension of Bush tax cuts in exchange for unemployment payments he doomed the budget and gave the terrorists the green light to hold America hostage at the next opportunity. Now he is being blamed by the very terrorists that forced him to create the problem.

But OK, They think their pledge to Grover Norquist not to raise taxes for any reason, is more important than honoring their oath to protect and defend the United States.

How can we create jobs which requires money, without raising revenue? The Republican No Tax Pledge says that they won't vote for any tax increase unless it is accompanied by a similar tax break.

So lets take the tax breaks away from the oil companies and other corporations who are making record profits and sitting on huge piles of money, and redirect those tax cuts to small businesses if they create jobs.

The Bush Tax Cuts to the rich were supposed to create jobs, but the rich didn't keep their end of the bargain and didn't create any jobs (unless they were the yacht makers in the South of France), So lets take away their tax cuts and give them to those who are really hurting, all of the people who lost or are in danger of loosing their homes.

If we can revitalize the housing industry, that drives most of the jobs in the country.

We could take away the insane tax credits that corporations use to move jobs overseas and give that money to corporations if they bring them back.

You get the idea. There are hundreds of tax breaks that just benefit the rich with no pay back as far as helping the nation in any way. Lets take those away and create tax cuts that help the nation out of it's current crisis.

This way we can stimulate the economy, create jobs, and allow the Republicans to save face and keep their silly pledge.

Once we create jobs, the additional taxpayers will reduce the size of the deficit.

Then after this crisis has passed, we can do REAL tax reform and eliminate all those tax loopholes that allow 2/3rds of corporations to pay no taxes at all, tax all income from things like derivatives like regular income, instead of Capital Gains so the rich only pay 15% on most of their income, do away with the Bush tax cuts for the rich and instate a .2% transaction tax on all of the risky hedge fund, commodity trading, and derivative trading that caused the economy to tank the first time.
10 months ago: Yea. And Cow Farts are destroying the fabric of our Earth!
10 months ago: I hope they do try to call us on it. They think it is a bluff? Funny that Obama said that he couldn't say if Social Security, Military payments would be made if the Republicans didn't give him his new line of credit. I'm sure his paycheck will be the first one in line to be cut. Nice to know that those that are not doing their job will be the first ones paid. Right on Tea Partiers in Congress. You make them eat their words (lies).
10 months ago: The GOP has been taken over by an extreme right-wing fringe that doesn't understand the realities of government. The need to increase the debt ceiling is related to reduced taxes (Bush), high costs of wars (Bush), social security costs (everyone). It should be noted that some of these 'entitlements' are paid through payroll taxes or are supposed to be and really shouldn't be a net expense to the government.

The extremists have pandered to the lowest common denominator of the electorate and now demand the same.

Here is my suggestion if the debt ceiling isn't raised:

Recall all troops from overseas assignments and reduce the military to protecting the homeland from the homeland.

Immediately halt all military discretionary spending - simply put - the contractors and the weapons developers stop getting paid.

Suspend all government programs that generate payments to businesses. If it's a free market economy let the free market function.

Immediately commute the sentences of all federal inmate who have not committed violent crimes so we reduce the costs of the incarceration.

First pay social security, medicare, and medicaid. Then foreign investments.

Then we will see how long the GOP digs in its heels.

Obama has a responsibility to protect the American people. That means the most vulnerable first. Then let those who have fair for themselves. Big business should be coming to the table to help not be helped.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: Good ideas Edward, except that I don't think Social Security has anything to do with the debt ceiling or the National Debt.

Social security is the ONLY government program that isn't bankrupt. There is a $ 2.5 trillion surplus in the SS trust fund that is funded separately. It is scheduled to be solvent until 2037 at which point they could still give 80% of the promised benefits to everyone, raising the cap to $250K would make it solvent for quite a while. I think Obama was wrong when he said he didn't know if there would be enough money to pay SS benefits.

The rest of the government has been "Borrowing" from the trust fund, but legally SS should be able to continue tapping it's trust fund but the rest of government borrowing from that trust fund should end during the crisis. The reality is that the government will probably borrow considerably more than usual during the default.

Medicare is another story though. The Medical and drug costs are increasing too much. Obama cut $5billion in waste and extended the solvency for several years but it probably needs means testing so the rich don't get the same benefits as those in need.

I like the idea of protecting those most in need if there is a default though and cutting aid to corporations and the military.

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