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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Anyone reading this post at home is dependent on an internet service provider that is probably charging you too much money for inferior service.

"In Japan, broadband service running at 150 megabits per second (Mbps) costs $60 a month. The fastest service available now in the United States is 50 Mbps at a price of $90 to $150 a month. "
"In London, $9 a month buys 8 Mbps service. In New York, broadband starts at $20 per month, for 1 Mbps. "
"In Iceland, 83 percent of the households are connected to broadband. In the United States, the adoption rate is 59 percent." http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/10...

Part of the problem is that cable companies have become monopolies. There are only 4-5 companies out there and they make certain that they divide up service to communities so they don't compete very much. With monopolies they can charge anything they want, because consumers have no other options.

America, the nation that invented the internet is now ranked 16th in internet speed and service. Why is that? The nations that have the best service, broke up the monopolies and forced the corporations to have more competition. http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/why-i...

In America we are going in the other direction. Conservatives think that the government shouldn't get involved and that businesses and the free market system will come up with the best system for their customers. In fact they have found the best way to screw the consumers while making the most money with the worst service.

But is it true that the free market and huge corporations do what is best for the people? Corporations by law must maximize profits. That generally means charging the maximum for minimum services. If a community got its people together, they could lay their own cable and get the fastest internet possible and they would only have to pay for the equipment, installation and maintenance. Community Internet is much cheaper and much faster than the commercial ISP's.
Communities can provide the same service at cost to the citizens at one fifth what the commercial internet providers offer. http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascount...

Unfortunately because of the lobbying and the big bucks the cable corporations use to bribe lawmakers, many states are passing laws which forbids communities from providing internet service. The result of more anti government, business is always better propaganda.

The same is happening in the banking community. The big banks are finding ever more creative ways to charge fees for using your own money. At the same time they are refusing to do their jobs and lend money to small business to expand or start up, and they are actually making it harder to buy homes or renegotiate upside down mortgages.

People can get together and do the same thing that is happening with the internet. They can create their own banks that lend money for small businesses or homes, and they will renegotiate upside down mortgages so people can keep their homes.
Most states are in economic trouble now but one state North Dakota has a State Bank, that works to help the people not the shareholders. Instead of giving multimillion dollar bonuses to the bankers the bank of North Dakota is owned by the people and the profits go to the people.

As a result the state has boasted large surpluses and the state bank has made record profits. Of course the huge oil boom is responsible for much of the surpluses but the bank helped too.

"Inspired by North Dakota's example, twelve states have now introduced bills to form state-owned banks or to study their feasibility. Eight of these bills have been introduced just since January, including in Oregon, Washington State, Massachusetts, Arizona, Maryland, New Mexico, Maine and California. Illinois, Virginia, Hawaii and Louisiana introduced similar bills in 2010." http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/feds_s...

Can this model of success be transferred to other areas? Why not? If there is a need, if people pooled their resources and provided the service at cost, it will be more economical than commercial service providers. If the profits are shared between the people served, if the companies are worker owned, instead of all of the profits going to rich shareholders who live in other states or nations, then the workers will have the incentive to provide better service.

Look at Health Care. The private insurance companies make 30% profits. They spend 30% on administration costs, mainly trying to find ways to avoid caring for patients, and they would deny service to 1/3rd of the people in the nation for pre-existing conditions. Medicare for all would cost half as much, it would cover everyone, and if it would concentrate on prevention and computerized databases would be much safer and efficient.

Corporations give hundreds of millions in compensation to CEO's that don't provide any better service than a managers paid a fraction of that pay. All of those millions of wasted dollars could go towards hiring hundreds of other workers, It could be used for research or for upgrading equipment, which would make the corporations more efficient. http://heritageinstitute.com/governance/...

Most corporations by law must maximize profits. It is the nature of the free market system that these corporations can make more money if they move their operations overseas where they can find workers that work for pennies. That harms the communities that used to house those corporations. They harm the millions of workers who loose those jobs and that is the major cause of our economic problems in America today.

It is possible to form corporations that work for the benefit of the communities. It is possible to form corporations owned by the workers. If workers determined wages they certainly wouldn't be giving the CEO's 300 times what they themselves make, and they certainly wouldn't give them golden parachutes of hundreds of millions of dollars when they harm the company and are fired.
We need a new business model that works to help the community and the workers, not just the rich shareholders. The old business models only benefited the 1%, and was driven by greed. The old business model destroyed the economy and the nation.

There should be a new business model for the other 99% of the nation. Fortunately there is a new type of business called Benefit Corporations, or B Corps. http://heritageinstitute.com/governance/...

Here are 16 ideas that can help get our nation's businesses back on track, helping the vast majority of the people - the 99%, not just the 1%. http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/16121...
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19 months ago: If only it was that easy to put the genie back into the bottle...

You are right that monopolies are robbing everybody but, in my opinion, more than 99% of new regulations are always made so that only big corporations can fulfill their demands. The real problem is too much regulation and too many invented government jobs to enforce those regulation that basically stifle any kind of growth for small businesses.

As an example, just check out http://bobmccarty.com/2011/05/25/usda-ra...
19 months ago: In response to your rant which you state that government knows best. All I can to Al. Are you for selective deregulation?

Why don't you invest every penny you and your entire family has and start a internet provider company that will cut our service cost by 80 percent while increasing the conection speed by 150 percent?

I'll tell you why. It's called "Like Kind" service that is required in every government contract. Yep. You want the government to sign that low bid contract you submitted? You better plan on giving away a whole bunch of "like kind" products and service. "Like Kind" is a company subsidising a target group with free or high discounted products, equipment and services. Mostly free.

If we could get the government to stop requiring "like kind" kickbacks the service providers would not have to pass the lost revenue cost on to the paying customers.

Yeah Al. You go out and get a higher tax on corporations. I assure you that your cost of living will increase to pay the new tax.

You can't seem to get it. Are you that daft?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: If I fly in a plane I want it to be inspected so I know I will get to my destination. If I worked in a mine I would want inspectors to verify safety equipment is working. When Oil companies drill in deep water I hope the inspectors would verify that the blow out preventers work so the entire Gulf doesn't have to suffer another disaster. If I bought a cantaloupe I would want some assurance that I wouldn't be dying from Lysteria.

Yes there are probably redundant and unnecessary rules, regulations, and inspectors. That is why Obama is asking that all business rules and regulations be reviewed so they aren't too costly or a drag on business. http://www.inc.com/articles/2011/01/obam...

One of the worst rules that adds unnecessary cost, is the rule that the Republicans pushed through just before Obama got in that requires the Post Office to finance 75 years worth of pensions in just a few years. This costs $5.5 billion a year and this is what is driving the post office bankrupt. http://huffingtonpostunionofbloggers.org...

Yes TCG I wouldn't be able to start an internet company. One person is a straw in the wind. If you bundle hundreds of straws together they become very strong.

That is what the community of Sandy Oregon did to create their own super fast cheap ISP.

Government is nothing but the cooperation of regular people to allow them to do things they wouldn't be able to do on their own. Pave roads, take away and process sewage safely. Government is meant to help people. If not for governments corporations would be dump their toxic waste and pollution in our rivers and streams and otherwise destroy the world we live in.

TCG the only Like-Kind Requirements I know of are For 1031 real estate Exchanges to allow rich developers to avoid capital gain taxes.
19 months ago:
Government is nothing but the cooperation of regular people to allow them to do things they wouldn't be able to do on their own. Pave roads, take away and process sewage safely. Government is meant to help people. If not for governments corporations would be dump their toxic waste and pollution in our rivers and streams and otherwise destroy the world we live in.

Do you really believe this? Are you really such optimist?
I believe that the founding fathers wanted such government but what we have now couldn't be further from this...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: I have 80mbps internet and cable w/dvr and I pay less than $100/month...
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: I worked in the government and I saw the dedication of the workers there. Many of the workers could have gotten better paying jobs in the private sector but they wanted to help people and their community (OK and the bennies). I was a teacher and you rarely see a group of people who are as dedicated and hard working and who sacrifice their own time and money for their students.

It is this dedication and selflessness that the conservatives have a hard time understanding because they are into it for the money.

During the Bush years all of the government agencies were loaded with ideologues that thought government was evil so they made bad decisions and actually made the government run badly. (Heck of a job Brownie).

We need people in the government that want to help the people - not to make money.

The people united cannot be defeated. The government IS the people united.
19 months ago: Yeah right. It take at least 6 government workers (excluding management) to fill a single pot hole.

1) truck loader
2) truck dispatcher
3) crew supervisor
4) crew driver
5) hole filler
6) fill tamper
7) flagman
8) safety monitor

Sorry, I guess I under calculated the cost to fill a 30 dollar pot hole. It takes at least 8 not counting the office staff.

Yeah. government unions working for our best interest (dollar).
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19 months ago: The people are becoming united. It is about time they show they are not going to take anymore of this silently and will fight back. Eventually, the people will override the phony Government in power and get rid of those who think they know best and only fill their pockets with greed. I don't care what anyone says. Speaking of teachers, Al. My HS history teacher during class said: The people are the ones that can make the changes by going out there and having a voice and can change the laws and the Government has to listen. He taught me a life's lesson right there at that moment. He was smart and said it as it is.
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19 months ago: Al, if I recall, wasn't it Bush, Sr who tried to stabilize the net cost? He was defeated on that issue. I remember him saying that if something wasn't done that it would be out of control.
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19 months ago: Funny joke - maybe in Texas. In Eugene we were pretty efficient.

How many Republicans does it take to change a light blub?

1. One to deny that the light bulb needs to be changed

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed. The Constitution doesn't mention light bulbs.

3. One to blame Obama for burning out the light bulb.

4. Glen Beck to cry about being afraid of the dark.

5. Six to form a committee to investigate why, and how Obama burned out the light bulb.

6. Twenty One to filibuster the bill to fund the replacement bulb.

7. Two hundred twenty to pass a new law banning those new fangled twisty bulbs and replace them with good old American energy wasting bulbs.

8. One to put out a no bid contract to the private corporation that donated the most.

9. One to do a drug test of the bulb changer.

10. One to check the I.D papers of the light bulb changer to make certain he is not an illegal.

11. Six Presidential candidates to take credit for fixing Obama's screw up.

12. One to viciously smear the front runner as not being conservative enough.

13. Finally, Rush Limbaugh to convince Americans that only the rich need light bulbs because they create all the jobs.
19 months ago: LMFAO. That was priceless! Great original Rant too.
19 months ago: I thought the liberals banned light bulbs. Now if you were to ask how many working Republican does it take to pay for a "Green" lamp. The answer would be all of them since most liberals don't pay any income tax.

You said...In Eugene we were pretty efficient.

What happened? Liberal regulations get in the way?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: Still are efficient. They just have to do it without me now.

It was Michelle Bachman and all of the conservatives that misled the public and wanted to overturn the new energy regulations on light bulbs. It didn't ban the old light bulbs, just said they couldn't waste as much energy. Several companies are making incadescent bulbs that meet the new standards. http://mediamatters.org/research/2011071...
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19 months ago: Did you ever use one of those incadescent bulbs that when they burn out smell as if there is a immense fire in your house.
I hope there are new standards and the product is made better, not just to hurry up and make a statement to save energy and get one or two people noticed. They aren't inventors or scientists. These people make noise. There hasn't really been a better product yet to serve the purpose of saving energy that isn't a big scam for money making. The electric is still sky high. I purchase a frig that is suppose to save energy, it doesn't.
This goes with everything that waste time and money, including the internet cost that are gouging people forcing them to pay for every kind of service under the sun that they predict adds to the speed of the net. I believe they don't want to make it better to sell services that we should get anyway. We are taxed upon tax and nobody really knows what it is, nor can it be explained.
I pay 1.99 to place a 911 call, if needed. Shouldn't that be free? I questioned it. I still have to pay. This charge is included in my bundle service with net, tv, and phone.
19 months ago: Have you read the user instructions on a florescent light unit? What are the instrusction should one break in you home? Do I need to list the disposal / clean up requirements from the EPA?
sunny2
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19 months ago: Did you. This is nonsense.
Concentrate on making progress.
19 months ago: Yeah. Clean, Green and Safe.

EPA guidelines for cleaning up a broken CFL.

http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html
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19 months ago: Lots of protestors out there Thank God that think opposite of the Republicans way of thinking.
19 months ago: I wonder if Occupy Wall Street has filed and paid it's taxes on the over $ 300 K it has received? I wonder if they can produce the legal documents of incorporation. Have they paid their rich corporate taxes? Who is on the payroll?
You think they might try to deduct every penny? Are they a 501c3 non-profit?
Really? ****ing about how corporations spend their money to make a political point? What a load of "occupy horse dung".

You would think they would pay the minimum and add a few bucks to prove their point. Where it all of that money going? Poster boards and cans of spray paint?
19 months ago: The **** is B|tching.
sunny2
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19 months ago: Everytime I have an opinion, you start on me.
In America that is what we do. We are Americans, and we have the say. Looks like the protestors are doing their job.
19 months ago: You can get help for that complex that makes you think I was directing anything towards you. Quote a single phrase that you think I directed towards you personally. Put up or shut up.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: You know, you could just man up and apologize, you have verbally assaulted nearly every member of this site aside from your girlfriend RSG.
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19 months ago: Come On....
Nobody owes you anything. You chase people off this site with your words. I happen to like everyone and that's why I talk to them. We learn from each other. I think you are very closed minded. What's that: Put up or Shut up. What is that?
19 months ago: Really? Verbally assaulted? That is too funny. You didn't include...

Within the limits of the site TOS.

Are you trying to impose your rules on those that call your thought process dog dung?
19 months ago: Yet another advancement in the war against stupidity.

Come On....
Nobody owes you anything.

That statement is ripe.

I take it by that statement that you no longer think the government (tax payers) owe anyone any further unemployment extensions.

Can't pick and choose.
19 months ago: Sunny has a point Cyress, you do seem to run off some people. Maybe your comments are within the TOS, but it's still a turn off and should stop. Keep the debate on the subject matter and not direct it at the authors.
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19 months ago: Thanks, Cully.
19 months ago: Noted Culley. Does that apply across the board? Since RSG and I have not been active on the site for months. I find it funny that we continue to get blamed for running people off. You want to go back and correct those that have been on the RSG / TCG are the problem bandwagon?

No? These folks need to remember this is a FREAKING opinion site.

You want more OWS clones? What would you do then? Sit around and ask for a consensus?
19 months ago: OK, Cypress I'm a big boy and I know it's an opinion site and I respect everybody's opinion it's just that some others don't sometimes. I think RR could do without the drama that's all I'm saying

Also threads tend to get derailed quickly. Look at this one, we went from Internet Access to CFL Light bulbs to Occupy Wall Street'ers. WTF why can't we stay on topic?
19 months ago: Really Sunny? Am I feeling OK today? Here is a re-post of your self deleted comment.

Well.. now you called me stupid. Do you have something against women who think. I'm use to smart people around me all the time. I can pick out the ones that are smart and intelligent and that is mostly all of them here. Believe me no one says Perfect writes "dung" as you coursely put it. Maybe you want to be insulting to him.
Are you feeling okay today? Since I am stupid and ****y, but no one ever called me, why don't you explain it to me. I tend to think you are that one Felix.

Nice jab. But then again. I did point out that Perfect was writing dog dung.

I'm still awaiting copies of your OWS Federal and State tax forms along with payment receipts.

Can you produce?
19 months ago: If you look hard. I didn't bring up lightbulbs. I only commented. You want to blame me on getting off comment? Fine. Then don't send comment expecting a reply.

As to the OWS. I think it is on topic. What is the title of this post?

"Business for the 99%"

Who would be chanting that slogan?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: The fact that you operate within the confines of the terms of service does not make it right. If you are so delusional to think that you are not rude to people then you truly are helpless.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: What you fail to realize and what is "funny" to me is that you are ridiculous to the point that you don't recognize that the fact you and RSG not being active is irrelevant. The damage is done, you being active or not no longer matters you two have driven off so many people with your off topic bullying of posters that there is no hope. Now, since you are a teabagger (unable to assign blame to yourself for anything) you will likely end up blaming Obama or the "Libtards" or OWS or Rachel Maddow but the point is that you are rude, abrasive and destructive to a site that is dedicated to conversation. Your comment to Sunny is one example
19 months ago: I'll let you flag my comments. Have fun.
19 months ago: No. What you won't admit is that RSG and TCG were the only 2 that could, would and will still stand up to you and your ilks attempt at brainwashing.

Rude?

Yeah, RSG and TCG are rude. Says PH.

BFD.

Grow up or get a new Mommy to pay your bills.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: Brainwashing? So when I present an argument in a civil way and provide evidence and ask for comments that is "brainwashing" but when you devote your time to being a jacka$$ and spewing rightwing propaganda towards everyone and everything that you disagree with and you provide zero evidence but just repeat yourself louder and louder that is by your definition "opinion". wow...the teabagger hypocrisy strikes again.
19 months ago: What is striking of hypocracy is the fact in this post that you still have not answerd the question....

Who has all of that 300 + K dollars donated to OWS and who is filing the tax forms?

Can't answer it can you?

I'm the hypocrite when I call out those that rail on others paying more taxes when they evade them?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: Well, they are not subject to pay taxes until April 15th of 2012...so why don't you try talking about something you have proof of or you could try using your brain and making a real point...but you will likely hide behind some pointless dribble as is always the case with you teabaggers
19 months ago: Come on Mr. Businessman. You know as well as i that the April 15 date is for "personal" income tax. Companies are required by law to file every quarter.

Are you saying that OccupyWallSt.ORG is a single individual?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: Actually it was your people (the right wing whackjobs) that said corporations are people...

But if you are going to back track from that, you have no control of when they set up a fiscal year, so the quarterly taxes are not necessarily due yet...you are grasping at straw...present something relevant for once and maybe we can talk.
19 months ago: Are you referring to the SCOTUS ruling? Really? You want to send us the link along with the direct quote that states "corporations are people"?

Are you confused again? I suggest you read it again....

Then again, I'm sure you lost your 5,000 dollar MAC from the kitchen tent so you can't do a proper search... Yeah, it must be hard using that slow broadband from the free public library.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: "Then again, I'm sure you lost your 5,000 dollar MAC from the kitchen tent so you can't do a proper search... Yeah, it must be hard using that slow broadband from the free public library."

~~any chance your tiny little brain could turn this into a coherent sentence? Why don't you focus on an argument about this topic instead of worrying about my broadband (which is fast and expensive (but I have a real job so I pay for it)) or what type of computer I have (its actually a Chromebook). The really sad thing is that you are the same as all the other really stupid teabaggers, you have NO substance so instead you have to grasp at straws to attack irrelevant things to make yourself feel better about who you are.
19 months ago: You can't post a link of record that shows "corporations are people"?

It is fun when the fish take the bait, hook, line, sinker, 1/2 of the fishing pole, jump into the boat and flop themselves into the ice chest.

Here is the link to google search - corporations are people

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sourc...

I ask again. You sure you have your words correct?

Did you mean... "Corporations are persons"?

http://www.google.com/search?q=corporati...

Hate to slam your dumb dog dung again. But there it is.

Promote your self non-wisdom to the crowd at HuffDung. They won't make you look like a fool because you will fit right in with your non-wisdom.
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19 months ago: I wonder what some people have to do with anything since they don't do anything to make a difference.
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19 months ago: Talking about clean up requirements. What about toxic waste? I'm sure that is taken care of efficiently,not, and you worry about light bulbs.
19 months ago: How much toxic waste does an incandescent light bulb have as opposed to a CFL? You want to post all of the crap that needs to be handled wearing a decon suit that is contained in a single CFL and its components?

Or, do you just throw them in your garbage and let the local landfill add them to your local underground water supply?

You think I lie? How about this quote from your friends a Mother Nature Network?

One of the most potent threats to CFLs' superiority isn't their cost, but their contents. There's a small amount of toxic mercury in every one, which can be absorbed or inhaled, potentially causing brain damage in adults, children and especially in fetuses. Fumble a CFL while changing a light, critics warn, and you unleash a poisonous fiend in your home. Throw it out and you're dumping mercury in landfills.

You say I lie? Here is the link.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/transla...
19 months ago: I still want to know if Occupy Wall Street has paid its taxes on the over 300 thousand dollars it has received.

I want to see the I.R.S. tax form along with a copy of the payment check.

I bet they think because it was donated there are not any tax forms to file.
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19 months ago: Why? What's it to you anyway? Who are you? Anybody who makes any money for the good of anything, you can't stand. You are like the guy who never works for anything but says "I want my money." Anyone who tries to support humanity, you are against. Talk about light bulbs, and you are all for it. Someone writes a beautiful poem and a bigger person, you mock.
As long as those people are out there being Americans and making a statement, then we don't go down the tubes like the Republicans want us to.
19 months ago: Yes I will mock Hypocrites. Your beloved OWS rails about corporations needing to pay their fair share of taxes. Until you and your ilk can show me the tax forms and payment checks from OWS to the IRS and the State of New York. Your Hypocrites.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: It's so funny when the tea baggers have no clue what to do:

Before the OSW occured you teabaggers just went on and on about "where are the jobs"...but now you lash out at other people asking the same question by telling them to go get a job...

Similarly, speaking of hypocrisy there is that post floating around the internet about how the teabaggers like you are the model of hypocrisy. The general gist of it is that the teabaggers find no issue with asking the teachers (the ones who are educating the youth and future of america) making $40,000-50,000 per year to take a 20% pay cut but at the same time you/they have a fit about asking people making MILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars per year to pay 3% more in taxes.
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19 months ago: You are being outnumbered across the country. Don't you give anyone credit for standing up for what they believe, especially the youth of today and people who have passion to care about their country. It's going to be their world.
Is there something that you are hurting from. You concentrate on taxes, taxes, taxes. Yet, the rich are soaking it up tax breaks like sponges. If you were very rich, you wouldn't even notice or argue. Nobody is going to show you anything because you are stomping your feet like a spoiled kid. Get up and get it. It's all out there for public information. I think that anyone who states an opinion, including you, is not a hypocrite but trying to find answers. I get it. But so are those people out there. Thank God we still have our freedoms to speak. People who speak like you show me this and show me that are normally people in the background not offering much. Everything is sorted out eventually. What isn't good will be left behind and what is good for the majority will take precedence. That's life.
You didn't have to call me that name. You are the one who always speaks about speaking your mind. Whose the hipocrite now?
19 months ago: I didn't see an answer to the income tax question.
19 months ago: WhoIS OccupyWallSt.org?

You don't find anything strange in this public information?

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19 months ago: So explain to us what you find so strange. Spell it OUT if you can. I don't think you can.
19 months ago: It's listed in the above WHOIS comment. Just admit you don't see it.
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19 months ago: What? I want you to explain for once instead of those one liners you throw out there.
19 months ago: What was the FIRST occupation day (date) of OWS?

Find that and then look at the date that OccupyWallSt.org was obtained (posted above).

Seems like there is a 2 month planning period if you only count the difference from website submission to occupation.

Probably longer in the planning stage. So, OWS is NOT SPONTANEOUS.

OWS is a Joke on America by an internet website in Canada which is laughing at all of you dumb dog dung brained folk for following.

NO?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: The OWS is the liberal counter weight to the Tea Party Movement.

"OWS is a Joke on America by an internet website in Canada which is laughing at all of you dumb dog dung brained folk for following"

~~The Tea Party movement is a Joke on America by an internet website in Texas (or some other backwards state) which is laughing at all you dumb dog dung brained folk for following.

If you don't think the teabaggers are hopelessly stupid just have a look at this link:

http://tinyurl.com/yf5cme2
19 months ago: That is your best? Really?

Where is your link to TEXAS or someother backwards state?

Like I said. Dumb dog dung.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
19 months ago: I really feel sorry for you. It must be hard living when you are so pathetically stupid that you are forced to use absurd personal attacks like "your a dumb dog dung" (why don't you just say "dooty head").

Again, instead of assuming like all tea baggers that the burden of proof for everything lies with everyone else, try making a real argument with factual evidence for backup. I know it will be hard for you to do since you cannot read "the engrish" very well, but still, make an effort and stop blaming everyone else for your pathetic backwoods, backwards, hateful life.
19 months ago: Don't waste your sorrow on me. You need to keep it all for yourself.
19 months ago: OK, I'm not going back over 30 days of tweets but as I recall there was some changes made early on and there was a fake site taking posing as OWS and taking donations.

@OccupyWallSt is the official Twitter site and it has the date Sept 17 as the first day of the occupation in NYC. @OccupyWallStreet had their account suspended and it no longer exists. There were Tweets warning about a fake Occupy site perhaps they are related to what you found.
19 months ago: I see that matches the official site listed on Twitter so I Tweeted them.

@OccupyWallSt So you created your web site two months before 9/17?
Domain Name:OCCUPYWALLST.ORG Created On:14-Jul-2011. #OWS

I wonder what they will say?
19 months ago: I asked Keith Olbermann. Happy now?

@KeithOlbermann According to http://Whois.com, http://OCCUPYWALLST.ORG was created 2 months before the 9/17 start, how long was it planned?

@CullyWaggoner there were meetings about it in July, I believe

@KeithOlbermann Thanks. Any reason why it was registered in Los Angeles, CA and not New York, NY?
19 months ago: Meetings in July or before July? Whois OCCUPYWALLST.ORG?
19 months ago: Culley, I'm not concerned about the Los Angeles address.
You can google the address and see it is a company that hides whois information.

Registrant Street1:11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Los Angeles
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:90064

Although I can't see why they would hide the OccupyWallSt.org owner info.

The next question is what about the servers...

Google- Whois LOBSTERTECH.COM

A torrent server?

Why would OccupyWallSt.org need to hide owner identities and have their service on a torrent server?

You think they are hiding something?
19 months ago: Good question, why don't you ask him

J.A. Roberts Tunney
jtunney@lobstertech.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtunney
19 months ago: Right. Ask jtunney@lobstertech.com....

Freaking funny if you think a torrent site for the underground will answer a direct question.

Why don't you ask them so the "anonymous" team can attack your computer(s)?

I know how that stuff works. Send me a direct email (a moron could) and I'll show you....

LMFAOFOTFROAPMGO???? Too long to decipher?

sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Al, you wrote a very good article. Services rendered are no longer quality. There is no customer care or pride in product or service.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: I really believe you should at least try to be amicable on a site where people are buddies here but not your close friends. Try giving people some respect that they deserve. I'm listening to you, but no need for name calling and putting people down.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: You really won't stop being harassing. If I wanted to change my mind, that is my right. You are getting out of line. You had no right copying my paragraph. I deleted because I wanted to say something else and I wanted to correct it. People do stop for dinner. Now I'm complaining about your wrecklessness with other people's words.
I think you are that guy Felix.
19 months ago: Sorry to correct you sugar. I didn't "copy" your paragraph. I reposted something I received in email for this site. No? I'm wreckless with other people's words?

Even when I post those words verbatim? Yeah, that is wreckless.

Don't like it. Flag it.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Only a couple of weeks ago you wrote on my thread nonsense things so I had to stop writing. You called me obsessed. It isn't true you haven't written in a month.
19 months ago: I suggest you learn the english language. Where did I state I haven't wriiten in a month?

Post my words. Please.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: I don't think it is respectful to Al for you to carry on in this way on his thread. You pick fights with people. You bother people here that have opinions. Maybe you are too boring to answer.
I'm not your sugar, nor will I flag you. Restrain yourself and designate that to the creatures you know. It is better you just keep making a complete fool out of yourself. I'm through with you here.
19 months ago: Exit one Leftist... That would be....

<-----<<< that way.

Come back to play when you can answer the questions.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: The United States constitution explicitly provides for 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'" in the First Amendment.
19 months ago: The First Amendment Right is not an escape from laws that prohibit camping and tents.

Does a tent have a First Amendment right?

You confuse the First Amendment Right with squatting.
sunny2
sunny2
19 months ago: Becky Bond CREDO ACTION

act@credoaction.com
Why don't you ask them?
19 months ago: What do you want me to ask Becky Bond?

"Does a tent or sleeping bag have a First Amendment Right under the U.S. Constitution?"

Is that your question? I'll be gald to give you the correct answer without the reply from Becky Bond.

The answer is... NO.

Tell us what your question to Becky Bond would be.

Since you lack the ability to offer links...

http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/occu...

What "crimes" does Becky have proof of that Eric Holder would prosecute?

We can't even get Eric Holder to prosecute the NBPP or to own the fact that he approved of a program where the Federal government sold guns under codename "Fast and Furious".

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