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Atheism on the rise in america

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ARIS-Survey Cover Sheet.
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RLwoods
Victorville, CA
In a survey in 2008, it has shown a tremendous increase in atheism in Americans.
The numbers of people who identify as "Atheist" are few in America. They are a small minority, or so I thought.

In past surveys, only a very few participants idenitified themselves as an atheist, slightly more identified as agnostic, but the percentage combined was always marginal. It was rarely as high as %10. This was always troublesome for atheists.
Recently, the survey was done again, but this time modified to remove labeling. It was a direct question, "Do you have any belief in a God or Gods."when the labels are removed, and participants are asked directly about their belief in a God, %18 of them denied any belief in God. A similar Question was posed to Americans in 2006 and 2008. Between the two years it raised from 2 million to 3.2 million people identifying as atheist. However, when the new survey was put out, the number of people that claimed no belief in god rose to 40 million.

This makes me wonder, why is there such a significant change in the numbers. It may very well be that the original survey held positions for specific religions, and that there are religions who have no god belief, as such they are atheist religions, but they don't feel that the term "atheist" applies best to them. The other is just a general fear of labels, and that few were willing to admit that they were the atheists that some communities dread.

Dr. Nigel Barber, a Psychologist analyzed the data from the new survey,
"Atheists are heavily concentrated in economically developed countries, particularly the social democracies of Europe. In underdeveloped countries, there are virtually no atheists," he stated.

When asked about why he feels that non belief is on the rise, he responded by stating the four reasons he thinks are primary.

1. Religion is popular in areas of public fear, this fear is shrinking
2. Large families are less valued as they use to be, so marriage is seen as less vital, so the religion seems to be ignored there as well.
3. People tend to use church as a sort of group thearapy, and that is rapidly becoming obsolete with modern communication such as actual therapy and internet chat.
4. And the last one, is that people just like getting together, which yet again, there are other ways that are making a better option.

There is argument against these reasons, but the facts still remain, Its on the rise, for better or for worse, there is not much we can do about it.

To see the report from the survey and other Articles ive Written
http://rlwoodsiii.blogspot.com/

to see the original article
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-m...
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: You forgot the main reason that people are coming out of the religious closet, Freedom and less fear.

The reason there are no atheists in undeveloped countries is that they would be persecuted or killed in those countries if they said they didn't believe.

Atheism flourishes where people have the freedom to think for themselves without social pressure to conform.

Another big reason that atheism is increasing is that China, a country of 1.3 billion people is officially a country of atheists. When I was there I still saw some offerings on alters, but the young generation there has grown up free from the pressure to belong to an organized religion. In the rest of the world children do not have that right. They are forced to belong to the faith of their parents.

Very good post!
RLwoods
RLwoods
Victorville, CA
24 months ago: Thanks,
i think that is exactly why there was such a differntial between those that identified as atheist and those who said they had no belief in god.

atheist is a four letter word for some cultures and backgrounds.
Rembrandt
Rembrandt
Summerville, SC
24 months ago: Of course, there is no pressure to conform in China. Or North Korea. Or Cuba.

No atheism in underdeveloped countries? What? I just named three of them for you. Until the fall of communism, virtually every atheist country in the world was an "underdeveloped country." Including Russia. And the only reason Europe isn't underdeveloped is because we indirectly subsidized their welfare state for over 40 years through NATO. But they're going backwards economically, if anything.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ...Another big reason that atheism is increasing is that China, a country of 1.3 billion people is officially a country of atheists. When I was there...

Perhaps you were in China 40 years ago celebrating the cultural revolution where they imposed Atheism but China has repudiated that mistake, and they are certainly not an official a country of atheists. See this official document from the Embassy of China:

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/zjxy...

The "cultural revolution'' (1966 to 1976) had a disastrous effect on all aspects of the society in China, including religion. But in the course of correcting the errors of the "cultural revolution'' governments at all levels made great efforts to revive and implement the policy of freedom of religious belief, redressed the unjust, false or wrong cases imposed on religious personages, and reopened sites for religious activities....China is a country with a great diversity of religious beliefs. The main religions are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism. Citizens of China may freely choose and express their religious beliefs, and make clear their religious affiliations.

Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in... and the section on modern history - they're doing quite a 180 turn on religion with the exception of those religions that they see as a threat to their power.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
24 months ago: I believe in GOD, but knowing that the holly roman catholic church was responsible for many crimes in its history.

Knowing that it permits child molestation to occur and knowing that it protects these beasts, and knowing that it was behind all wars as financiers, make me sick.

And of course knowing that the Cult of Greed and Sin, is in bed with the Federal Government, and knowing that their agenda is to destroy all other religions of the world (links show proof) makes me sick.

Believing in GOD is great, but believing in traitors makes me sick to my stomach.

MAN IS STILL A BEAST -- GIVE HIM POWER AND HE MAY ABUSE IT.

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24 months ago: To each his own.
24 months ago: Please break those nubers down by country. It is mileading.

3.6 million in America is 1 percent. 40 million worldwide is an even lower percentage.
Rembrandt
Rembrandt
Summerville, SC
24 months ago: Oh no! We don't want to do that! It would undermine the predetermined conclusion we are trying to get people to reach.

China? It has the fastest growing Christian church body in the world.
RLwoods
RLwoods
Victorville, CA
24 months ago: China is the fastest growing EVERYTHING in the world.
does this really surprise you?
24 months ago: Far more people on this planet believe in a Creator than not.

If certain individuals choose to believe that God does not exist, that should in no way threaten the masses. We are to respect their right to believe as they will.

In just the same way if those individuals are mature and secure, they should respect our right to believe otherwise without feeling the need to to name call and proclaim how ignorant and misguided they believe we are.

We all need to live together in order to make our sojourn here as peaceful as possible and in order to to continue to learn from and love each other.

All of us can be tolerant without agreeing and civil without giving up our convictions.

It's really not that difficult unless we want to make it that way.
24 months ago: Yes Huey, "they should respect our right to believe otherwise without feeling the need to to name call and proclaim how ignorant and misguided they believe we are", now if we could just get the believers in imaginary beings to adhere to that manner of behavior.....
24 months ago: According to you, I think that's me. And I also think I just did.
24 months ago: I would challenge every Altruist to research the Bible and prove to yourself that it is false. Every one that has taken this challenge ends up a Christian, (and will go to Heaven)
Doggerr
Doggerr
Jacksonville, FL
24 months ago: Actually, I know for a lot of atheists, reading the bible is the turning point.

Nothing can make you an atheist faster than sitting down and reading this big book of fiction. There's been no survey done that I know of, but I'm willing to state that a higher percentage of atheists have read the bible in whole than believers have.
Doggerr
Doggerr
Jacksonville, FL
24 months ago: So let me go one step further. I strongly suggest you read the bible. Also read the Qur'an and the Brahmanas, and the Rasa'il al-hikmah and the Theravada and The Satanic Bible and The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Dianetics.


no no no .. scratch that last one . I wouldn't wish Dianetics on my worst enemy.

My point is, man made a lot of religions and man continues to adapt these religions so they can survive. There will always be people who believe this ridiculous crap. But beautiful writings does not denote the truth .
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: Ed, I have researched the Bible and why would any rational person consider believing in an imaginary sky wizard deity who orders his minions to slaughter women, children, babies, and animals? Couldn't this sky wizard do his own dirty work? Actually, the sky wizard did do some of his own dirty work, at least according to the Bible writers who wrote the fiction. For example:

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill...When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

So your angry deity kills somebody who was trying to keep the ark from falling over and you want to worship this deity? Hello?!

Take a look at the following website for countless examples of Biblical atrocities and barbarism as propagated by this imaginary deity that you're proselytizing for.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

After reading all that, tell me with a straight face that people should follow this blood soaked deity.
Jdiver
Jdiver
San Jose, CA
24 months ago: That is demonstrably false. The thing that makes the most atheists is when a Christian sits down and begins to read the bible with a critical mind and sees the foolishness it really is.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: Ed I think and hope that you meant Atheist not Altruist. Altruism is the central theme of the New Testament.

So let's explore the origins of the bible. Will you include the Gnostic texts and all of the feminine writings that had been burned? Why was the Jewish texts merged with the Christian ones? Why were many of the ceremonies of Mithraism and those from Sol Invictus included in the Christian religion? Could it be because then the Church could become the official religion of the Roman Empire?

But to be frank I am not a biblical scholar. After reading about all of the slaughters of innocents supposedly ordered by God, I decided if God was that cruel and inhumane than I wanted nothing to do with him.

24 months ago: All goes on to prove my point.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
24 months ago: Altruist

"After reading about all of the slaughters of innocents supposedly ordered by God"

God has never ordered the slaughter of innocents.

It is the people in charge of the various Churchs that are the murderers.

They kill in the "name" of GOD.

A great example is the Godless Cult of Greed and Sin's attacks on people that oppose them.

Justification of these crimes are given, so that they can kill and hurt people, without feeling like the monsters that they are.

The governments do the same, we invade in the name of helping the same people that we kill.

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: You are correct Ron that many people in the bible slaughtered all kinds of innocents and then rationalized it by setting it down in the bible (or more probably in the spoken history of the time) that God told them to do it.

The winners get to write history and invent supreme beings to control the masses.
24 months ago: Markbyrn, That's just it you don't have to believe, it's a free choice. but He is still the creator of the universe.

P.S. talking about the End-times, 2010 will be the worst year for bad weather and Hurricanes.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: You made the challenge Ed and I'm simply suggesting that you take your own challenge and objectively read all about the imaginary deity that you're proestelying for. BTW, I've heard your challenge before, from Mormons who come knocking at the door with a Book of Mormon and telling me it's just a matter of reading it to be convinced. No, it's just not - it's just a sales technique to get one to swallow the Kool-Aid and has nothing to do with the contents of the book. The contents of the Bible, Book of Mormon, Qur'an are abhorent/irrational except when carefully cherry picked for modern sensibilities by their respective proselytizers.

...P.S. talking about the End-times, 2010 will be the worst year for bad weather and Hurricanes...

Every year can be a bad year when it comes to Earthquakes and Hurricanes and making vague predictions for regularly occuring meteorological or geological events is just part of the charlatan prophets grab bag to keep the faithful mesmerized. Can't the sky wizard deity be more precise with the earthquake 'predictions' - as in date, time, geo-coordinates, and magnitude? Of course not Ed - wake up and swallow the red pill instead of the blue pill.
24 months ago: This reminds me of a true story, a young man, reminds me of you, met this old Pastor on a cruise, he told him all about science and the fact that God could not exist.

The last day the young man thinking that he had proved that God was a imaginary deity, said to the old pastor, well have I proved my point?

The old pastor said to the young man, I find your discussion very interesting and entertaining, but He just spoke to me this morning.

Markbyrn, I have had a very supernatural life, and after my series on the end-times I will share.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ...He just spoke to me this morning...

Plenty of folk claim to hear from their deity and if we believed everybody who made that claim, we'd have to believe that the deity is suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance.
Rembrandt
Rembrandt
Summerville, SC
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: Ed it is easy to predict a bad hurricane season when the Gulf is 4 degrees warmer than usual. With the oil disaster it may indeed be end times for much of the wild life and also endangered species like fishermen and shrimpers. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/h...

I do not begrudge religious people their beliefs in a supernatural being because it does give them some comfort when their loved ones are gone.

However I object when they try to impose their delusions on others, harm others for not sharing in those delusions, or tell people they are going to hell because they don't share those delusions.

Religious Intolerance has probably caused more wars and deaths than any other non natural cause. Lord protect us from your true believers.

I also object when religious folk feel they are "called" to spread the word.

Islam considers proselytization an offense worthy of death, but then they consider lots of things, including not belonging to their sect to be worthy of death.

24 months ago: I re-iterate....

" Far more people on this planet believe in a Creator than not.

If certain individuals choose to believe that God does not exist, that should in no way threaten the masses. We are to respect their right to believe as they will.

In just the same way if those individuals are mature and secure, they should respect our right to believe otherwise without feeling the need to to name call and proclaim how ignorant and misguided they believe we are.

We all need to live together in order to make our sojourn here as peaceful as possible and in order to to continue to learn from and love each other.

All of us can be tolerant without agreeing and civil without giving up our convictions.

It's really not that difficult unless we want to make it that way. "
Rembrandt
Rembrandt
Summerville, SC
24 months ago: Your right is respected and always has been in America. The paradigm you espouse is merely leftist historical revisionism. Otherwise, explain the disparity between your assertion and reality. America has always been the great melting pot, and there was never a religious requirement for entrance. On the other hand, all atheist countries, being necessarily Marxist, severely control and/or openly persecute religious citizens of every faith.

The left is not about to be tolerant and civil unless the opposition absolutely gives up its convictions, either freely or in front of the firing squad. The left will have its way in this country, even if they have to eventually drop the subterfuge and start sending people to prison for thought crimes.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ..Far more people on this planet believe in a Creator than not..

Well said as the phrasing "a creator" rightly implies a non-uniform belief with regard to the nature of this creator. There are a multitude of beliefs regarding what the creator is, even within a given religion.

..If certain individuals choose to believe that God does not exist, that should in no way threaten the masses. We are to respect their right to believe as they will..

Referencing your first sentence, which God does not exist? I suppose you're now talking about your particular version of God as opposed to the diversity of creator beliefs. But as for respect Atheists or those who don't believe in a particular version of God, that's clearly not happening especially from those who aggressively proselytize.

When one proselytizes or to put it bluntly hawks their religion, they often have little or no respect for the religion (or non-religion) of the person they're trying to sell. As an example, proselytizers will often pull out their scripture and skewer Atheists as fools by quoting a pithy proverb from their Bible. Or they'll loutishly condemn anybody who doesn't believe in their given theological proof set. To put it succinctly, they are grossly intolerant and disrespectful.

...In just the same way if those individuals are mature and secure, they should respect our right to believe otherwise without feeling the need to to name call and proclaim how ignorant and misguided they believe we are...

So you want mature people to respect immature people while they act grossly intolerant and disrespectful or are you saying both sides need to adjust their behavior and beliefs in order to have mutual respect? I'll assume the latter but even if respect and tolerance is provided, that doesn't mean we can't have respectful disagreement & critical analysis, especially if one is proselytizing and putting their religion (or philosophy such as Atheism) out for sale.
Rembrandt
Rembrandt
Summerville, SC
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24 months ago: Hi MB,

I agree with much of what you just posted. At this time their is no universality with regard to the truth regarding the Creator. However it is true that the vast majority of individuals acknowledge the existence of one.

I also agree that everyone involved must adjust their attitudes in order to be respectful and civil. There is gross intolerance and prejudice on both the secular and religious sides.

We all need to be tolerant. Not tolerant that anything goes and all is relative. Not at all. What I do mean is acceptance that people disagree with us and not everyone one that disagrees with out particular take on reality is a delusional blithering idiot for believing such things.

As far as proselytizing, everyone does it. Some are just more overt that others. Be it secular humanism, religion, atheism, metaphysical relativism, it does not matter. The people from these school of thought peddle their ideas all the time. Personally, I'm okay with that. It doesn't bother or threaten me in the least.

If you check my post "Why We Get Offended" you can see where I delineate a number of different ways to handle situations where you are being proselytized.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Why-We-Get-...

It's going to happen from all the camps at one time or another. We just deal with it as appropriate rather than seeing it as an affront to our person and sensibilities.

If they come up in a civil manner, fine and we handle that. If someone comes at us in the wrong way, we can check them with our own analysis of the situation or basically tell them to step off. After all, they are asking for it. We should just care enough to do it the right way.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ...The people from these school of thought peddle their ideas all the time. Personally, I'm okay with that. It doesn't bother or threaten me in the least....If you check my post "Why We Get Offended" you can see where I delineate a number of different ways to handle situations where you are being proselytized...

Huey, while it's just my personal observation, it seems that people who peddle religion, pseudoscience, quackery etc. are themselves readily offended when challenged by logical questioning and as they're unable to logically respond, they have a tendency to employ ad hominem and dismiss the challenger by falsely accusing them of being being hateful, intolerant, closed-minded, "threatened", "bothered", or "easily offended." Ironically, they're accusing the rational challenger of everything they are.

So perhaps the good advice from your previous post is just as applicable to the proselytizer (if not more so), and they themselves shouldn't be threatened by those who rationally challenge their ideas, nor should they stoop to discredit their challengers by falsely accusing them of feeling threatened or bothered. I'll re-iterate, "even if respect and tolerance is provided, that doesn't mean we can't have respectful disagreement & critical analysis, especially if one is proselytizing and putting their religion (or philosophy such as Atheism) out for sale."
24 months ago: Bingo.
24 months ago: I told you markyrn it's a free choise God designated the Jewish people because, For many centuries, the leaders of Israel passed on their people's legends, laws, history, stories, songs and traditions. They exercised great care in copying. Every letter of their copy was counted and meticulously compared with the text before them. The detection of a single mistake was held to be a reason for destroying the entire copy and starting over.

There is more evidence on the Bible authenticity than any other book. remember it's a FREE choice, "you win or you lose by the way that you choose"
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: Aside from major theological and philosophical discrepancies, the Tanakh or the "Old Testament" as many Christians pejoratively call it contains many numerical contradictions. Whether they were errors by the original writer or errors in transcriptions, the errors are there nonetheless. See:

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/familycens...
Jdiver
Jdiver
San Jose, CA
24 months ago: Who exactly told you that little tidbit of stupid?

Errors were overlooked or covered up to save time and cut costs.
24 months ago: Irrational people populate all sides of these arguments a times.

We all just need to deal with it, have a little fun, and live our lives. That can be done without ridiculing and maliciously insulting each other even when we disagree.

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