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Another Promise Kept (Sort Of)

Posted 17 months ago|11 comments|511 views
The 4th Stryker Brigade Returns Home
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Altruist
Eugene, OR

One of Obama's most important campaign promises was to bring the troops home from Iraq. Now as we see the Stryker Brigade come home, that promise is close to being kept. (There are still 50,000 non combat soldiers and 6,000 combat troops who will leave before the deadline.)

Congratulations to our returning troops and a job well done!

It is encouraging to see the phased, controlled withdrawal, and the peaceful turnover to the Iraqi government. The right wing proclaimed that this would be a disaster and McCain said he didn't care if we stayed a hundred years. More fearmongering. A year from now it will be time to begin the same controlled withdrawal in Afghanistan. The same right wing fearmongers are resisting that withdrawal.

But nothing is ever as simple as they appear on the 5 minute news clips. What is happening to our shadow army, our army of mercenaries? We had over 100,000 "Private Contractors" in Iraq, including more than 20,000 private security personal (Mercenaries), most of them making several times what our troops made for the same services.

In 2007 Blackwater Security gunned down 17 civilians without provocation. They were investigated for the killings of 14 civilians and the wounding of 18 others, but were never convicted of wrongdoing despite admissions of guilt and security videos.

Blackwater considered itself not bound by the military code of honor or rules of engagement and also did not think they were subject to Iraqi laws.

The government of Iraq demanded the removal of Blackwater from Iraq in January of 2009. As a result Blackwater changed it's name to Xe. In May of this year the company officially ended operations in Iraq when the military refused to extend their contract.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/...

But there are still just as many mercenaries. When one company gets in trouble they change their name, the personal move from one "Private Contracting firm" to another, and nothing changes. The State dept. said that as our combat troops leave, we will double the number of private security contractors. Why do we need more mercs when we still have 50,000 troops there that need things to do?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100819/pl_...

Now the President of Afghanistan has called for the removal of foreign mercenaries from his country to be replaced by Afghan security personal.
"We've received complaints that these security forces, some of them, not all of them, have been involved in robbery, kidnapping and misusing their authority and power," Karzai's deputy spokesman, Hamed Elmi told ABC News.

As many as 40,000 people work for private security firms in Afghanistan. The decree stipulates that they will need to start hiring local people, many of them from the Afghan police force. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/world/...

In my opinion this is a good move. The history of foreign occupation in Afghanistan is full of failure. Our troops did not defeat the Taliban and drive them from the country in 2001, it was the Northern Alliance of Afghan fighters with American air support that drove the Taliban from power.

We never learned what bribes the tribal leaders took to throw off their oppressors, but we do know that the Taliban had eradicated 90% of the heroin in the country and after they were driven out, the tribal leaders were allowed to cultivate poppies again. They now provide 90% of the heroin in the world.

The point is that the Afghan people are competent fighters, but they resent foreign troops in their country and will take up arms against them. They may not like the Taliban but they prefer them to foreigners. As we leave, our job should be to provide incentives for the majority of the Afghan people to continue the fight against the Taliban, and to protect the schools, power stations, sewer systems and other infrastructure that will bring the country out of the stone age.

UPDATE - 17 months ago
Blackwater now known as Xe, will pay $42 million in fines for hundreds if not thousands of violations of U.S. export control regulations.

Despite this, "The company still has contracts to provide security for both the State Department and the CIA in Afghanistan. In June, the CIA gave Xe an additional $100 million contract to provide security for its regional offices in Afghanistan."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...
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17 months ago: I guess one lesson learned it you War Protestors really did a good job.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Al, you're getting it wrong here. The war is simply being re-branded as an advise and assist operation with 50,000 troops remaning, not leaving until 2011, and for the most part, the media is assisting Obama and the Pentagon in this public relations 'withdrawal' exercise.

And RSG, I saw that you fulminated about the government's fiscal ruin and blamed the liberals. Yet the legacy from Bush Jr's Iraq adventure is trillion dollar failure not to mention the thousands of our military soldiers that paid the ultimate price. I know you got his knee jerk reaction about liberals but let's not forget the part that Reagan, Bush I, and Bush 2 played in bringing us to this point.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...Congratulations to our returning troops and a job well done!...

Returning troops? Yes, indeed the 'lucky' ones that left Iraq get to go Afghanistan and join that quagmire. Congratulations indeed!
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: You are correct Red. We war protesters have been proven right about everything we were protesting about. Now the vast majority of the American people have realized that we were right and have realized the terrible mistake they made. There was no reason to invade Iraq. There were no WMD. It was the type of over reaction that Osama Bin Laden wanted us to do to weaken our country.

Mark is correct that we will have people there for a heck of a long time and that this illegal and unnecessary war is responsible for much of our debt, 4,000 lives, and many times more people with arms and legs blown off.

The cost of each soldier over in Iraq or Afghanistan is about a million dollars a year.

Greg Mortinson is perhaps doing a better job of fighting radical Islam by building schools for girls in Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
http://www.gregmortenson.com/

They can build something like 20 schools for the cost of one of our soldiers. Fifteen pennies can purchase a notebook. A teacher's salary is $600. They have built 131 schools and taught nearly 70,000 kids including nearly 50,000 girls.

As we withdraw from these countries this seems to be a better model for the future than the use of drones to assassinate suspected rebel leaders. Bombs and drones kill more innocent civilians than bad guys, and each innocent victim generates several friends or relatives vowing revenge against us.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ..each innocent victim generates several friends or relatives vowing revenge against us..

Add to that the millions of Muslims around the world that our observing the latest crusade against the Mosque in NYC with liberal amounts of religious right demonization of Islam, and Franklin Graham denigrating Muslims as he attacked Obama for having the seed (sperm) of Muslims and therefore he is a Muslim.

Is there anything else we can do to help inflame the Muslims and grow more Jihaddists that will fight our "Christian Crusaders" I recall when the religious right was frothing at the mouth about the liberals putting the troops at risk because they weren't swallowing the Bush Kool-Aid on Iraq. Now the religious right is putting our troops at real risk with their public displays of religious hatred and they could care less.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: ALTRIESTA SAID:

"One of Obama's most important campaign promises was to bring the troops home from Iraq. Now as we see the Stryker Brigade come home, that promise is close to being kept."

"As we leave, our job should be to provide incentives for the majority of the Afghan people to continue the fight against the Taliban,"

So you think that the liberals are responsible for ending the war?

Not so, because the states are running out of money, the federal government is also out of money.

We are in an economic collapse and can't continue to spend billions to rob the oil of another nation, for the profit of the very super rich.

We are not fighting to save anything or anybody, we are fighting and dying for the International Bankers to make trillions from our deaths.

As usual you commie liberals are fools.

The Corporate US government would gladly make our kids die, if they could profit from it any more.

Public opinion and lack of money in the states made them save our kids' lives.

It was never about politics, it was about profits for the very super rich.

Also the Taliban are going to gradually break up, because the reason for their fighting was to get rid of just one more greedy alien invader.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...

QUESTION OF THE DAY FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO ANSWER.

The Commie Bleeding Heart Liberal is the child molesters and rapists best friend and protector.

The conservative American is the child molesters and rapists worst enemy.

To protect your women and children, who would you vote for?

Who would you believe, trust and support?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...Also the Taliban are going to gradually break up, because the reason for their fighting was to get rid of just one more greedy alien invader...

Most of the conservative and religious right would call the author of the statement above an Islamic lovin' American hatin' commie liberal. You're obviously a 'maverick' libertarian.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: markbyrn

Do you think that the Taliban will continue to fight and with whom?

Once the foreigners leave, why would they continue to fight?

You must be insane to think that once the aliens leave, they will have another invader to fight.

It will be a very long time to find another fool to invade them.

Or is it that Liberals will take up arms?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...

QUESTION OF THE DAY FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO ANSWER.

The Commie Bleeding Heart Liberal is the child molesters and rapists best friend and protector.

The conservative American is the child molesters and rapists worst enemy.

To protect your women and children, who would you vote for?

Who would you believe, trust and support?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: The Taliban filled a power vacuum when we failed to support the Afghan people after the Jihadists drove the Russians out. They built Madrassas which are schools but which also provide health care and community support.

The common people are generally not concerned with politics, they only want to make a living and have a chance to support their families. We can not win them over not by military force. We can by helping them.

If we had stuck around and helped Afghanistan rebuild the infrastructure Russia destroyed; schools, hospitals, roads, sewage systems, water and power, then the Taliban wouldn't have moved in.

That is what Obama is trying to do now. If we abandon the people again the Taliban will once again fill that vacuum.

The war to win hearts and minds is with humanitarian aid, but aid that requires an investment by the people. Greg Mortinson insists that the villagers provide the land and construct the schools. Then they feel it is their school and will defend it from the Taliban.

The country of Afghanistan is asking for $273 million for the entire school system of the country. They will probably only get $50 million. $273 million is the cost of 273 troops being returned home.

Mark is correct that the right is aiding the Islamic extremists by demonizing the moderates. By refusing to give support to the millions of Pakistani people suffering now from floods, just because they are Muslim, we are giving support to the radical Islamists who ARE supplying much needed help.

Ron is correct that we can no longer afford to be the cops of the world. It is hundreds of times cheaper and more effective to give humanitarian support, but the Right prefers bombs to bread.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
17 months ago: Ah, Al, I hope you have finished the champagne and come down from the victory party buzz. I would SO hope not to be a buzzkill.

BUT!!!!

We still have 7 brigades in Iraq. That's right SEVEN WHOLE, FULLY MANNED AND EQUIPPED BRIGADES. But they don't CALL 'em "combat brigades", they call 'em "Advise and Assist Brigades", the Army's designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

So while the "last full U.S. combat brigade" have left Iraq, just under 50,000 soldiers from specially trained heavy, infantry and Stryker brigades will stay, as well as two combat aviation brigades - PLUS two additional National Guard infantry brigades "for security" according to Army spokesman Lt. Col. Craig Ratcliff.

How 'bout THEM apples, huh?

Bad Cyborg X%er
A lie by any other name would stink just as much.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: ...How 'bout THEM apples, huh?...

While you provided some extra detail, I said the same thing the 2nd comment to the post and Al acknowledged it.

And this shell game reflects the problem with Obama. The political strategy of trying to simultaneously placate the hawks on the right and the doves on the left is a recipe for failure.

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