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I lead people to the Lord every chance I get, I don't understand how so many can be so complacent. I am very worried about my unsaved family, this is not life that we are living, this is finding the way to eternal life.

Those that do not successfully find the narrow road will perish in HELL for ever, yes I said forever.

When we die, we will get a Glorified body, in Heaven, we will never get sick again, or old. or feel pain We maybe able to travel around, just by thinking of our destination.

In Hell the Glorified body, will feel pain and torment, but will not die, this will continue forever.

My coming to be a believer was supernatural. My mother taught me the "Our Father who Art in Heaven", I believed and He reveled Himself to me later is life, I begun to research the Bible and History to know Him.

This is what you can do. First one third of the Bible is Prophecy all has been fulfilled, easy to find them by searching the Internet. End time Prophecy is rapidly being fulfilled. THIS IS FOR REAL, Do some research.

http://100prophecies.org/

From the lips of God the Son, who is also the Word who was in the very beginning with the Father, the Father spoke the Word to create the World in six days.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.


After dark one evening, a Jewish religious leader named Nicodemus, a Pharisee, came to speak with Jesus. "Teacher," he said, "we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are proof enough that God is with you." Jesus replied, "I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God." "What do you mean?" exclaimed Nicodemus. "How can an old man go back into his mother's womb and be born again?"

Jesus replied, "The truth is, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven. So don't be surprised at my statement that you must be born again. Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."

"What do you mean?" Nicodemus asked. Jesus replied, "You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don't understand these things? I assure you, I am telling you what we know and have seen, and yet you won't believe us. But if you don't even believe me when I tell you about things that happen here on earth, how can you possibly believe if I tell you what is going on in heaven? For only I, the Son of Man, have come to earth and will return to heaven again. And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so I, the Son of Man, must be lifted up on a pole, so that everyone who believes in me will have eternal life. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
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9 months ago: Because the book is a lie told to you in order to subjugate your reason and logic. You only have to look at the history of the church, how they operate and have operated. The bible which is supposed to be a historical document is wrong and you know it.

We will use the story of Noah's ark, when did this happen? from what has been assumed on the bibles chronology it was 10,000 BCE... except human civilization can be traced back to 15,000 BCE. Where they lived in caves, had basic tools, and didn't live anywhere near this event centre etc...

So God just missed them and the 4 other civilizations at the time when he wiped out all of humanity. But since the bible doesn't use dates per say, we will say then that the flood happened before 15000 BCE. It instead happened in 20,000 BCE... so there is Noah and his son's... their wives, family and 2 of every animal in the tail end of the ice age right?

Fine, we will run with that. So Noah's family has the carpentry skills to build a boat that size. Witnessed god wipe out all of humanity on the planet and only they were spared. Perfectly reasonable that the cultures they spawned after this advent completely forgot how to build anything and the one god entirely. This is a reasonable and logical argument correct?

Never recorded the advents, no founding records in there architecture. As a matter of fact they completely forget about god, the bible, the entire history laid out in the bible before them for a period of over 21,000 years right? Except the bible doesn't stop it keeps recording history.

The book was written to play on fears, it was peddled to the slaves of Rome first. Where it was easy to get support with the promise of something after all the hardships of living. There is also a larger slave population then there was citizens and a revolt by shear weight of numbers are in their favor. So there we have Saint Peter, telling Constantine all about heaven and how his soul will be eternal.
9 months ago: Nexel, I just don't think it is right to say the Bible is a lie. Why do that? Many people dying of cancer, little children, and they believe in Jesus and pray. We don't know the reason for suffering. Sometimes people are cured. None of us know anything for certain but the prayers make pain more tolerable for those that are sick. Prayers help us get through difficult times. Miracles do happen.

I know the history of Catholism, but the people are not that.
You spoke about priest as if they are all the same. They aren't. There was a priest I knew who gave up his cushy church position and went to work on the bowery. He wanted to help the people and that is all he cared about.
People like you go out and do those great things and it is no different.
I think that there are misunderstandings. If you look at everything today that we have that is good it has meaning and purpose. I rather enjoy life then worry about it.
9 months ago: Also, if I listened to the Mayan culture I would not be celebrating on 12/21 in the caribbean on our pier in Belize. I'm sure we will toast the sunset and the sunrise the next morning and there will be no apocolypse. Anyway you can't outrun it so why worry about it. It is said it is going to be a big tourist fly day to Belize. Hotels are already booked up. I'm having too much fun to worry.
9 months ago: Unfortunately sunny the book is, you can choose to believe in it. But it is a farce, religions only had a handful of purposes and those were: to explain things beyond our understanding, establish a system of values, provide a basic education and as a means of mass population control.

The catholic religion has been nothing more then a mass control system, the Bible has been altered to suite their needs as they need them. Praying to god hasn't saved a life because god doesn't save lives. He ends them and your scriptures tell you not to see it as a end but that a new beginning will start.

All the pain, misery and personal circumstances of the world are meaningless, your place is already prepared for you. If you look at that statement, you are surrendering and allowing your self to be dominated all for the promise that when you die things will get better. It is a control device used to placate population into doing what they are told when they are told.

When I am told I am damned for all eternity and will be tortured endlessly all because of a book that is a lie if I do not submit? I take that at the value presented, ok, here is the counter argument to your book. As history has shown, and the few points I have raised should be leaving you asking the hard questions.

People are welcome to believe what they want. They can take what ever comfort they want, it is a beautiful lie. If it makes them happy to hear it go hard. Myself, I know the only thing that matters in life is the one that I am living. What I do, what I choose not to do, what I leave behind and what I help those around me accomplish is all that matters. Once my time is up, that is it. I will leave all the things undone to those who come after me.
9 months ago: I do not think you have to worry about the world ending any time soon Sunny. The Doom Sayer's have been out in force since the 80's that the world is going to end. Sure they will be right some time, statistics suggests so... but given that we are still here I know the earth will continue regardless.
9 months ago: Yup..... I'm going to be celebrating on that pier with the people in my community. It will continue regardless....... as you say.
9 months ago: Constantine says... sure we will run with that and decrees the catholic religion to replace the current one as the official religion of Rome and starts the basilica of Constantin and the first roman church with peter now passed on, the Basilica of Saint Peter around 700 AD Ish (would have to check my history of the built environment to give the exact date the two were commissioned and finished... architect we keep very good records for some odd reason)

So the rest of history never happened as it was recorded and none of those architectural feats and structures were never built. The church during the dark age period went on a huge expansion of cleansing to purge education and history that disagreed with them and the bible.

When they came to a area with a established religious building, they slaughtered the monks that were in them as heretics and killed any of the local population that disagreed with them. If the entire population got up in arms, the people they murdered were sainted to quell dissidents. God wiped out Humanity for corruption... but just missed the church in his name who is doing it right?

What are the big bad things god does when he is angry? plagues, locusts in the harvest, fire from the sky? these things were common woes that people feared. How many roman cities near active volcano's? except it isn't hades who is mad... now its god, if you do not do as you are told.

Why do you need a reward for being a good person? why do you need a promise of something better? Why is a carrot dangled in front of you and if you do not do as you are told it is the stick? think about it, take the bible, read the "history" compare it to the known history of the world.

It is about control, and if you argue that... look up what happened to the priest who translated the bible so you can read it today.
9 months ago: You read and believe only what you feel you want to believe and deny everything else.
9 months ago: Not meant in a bad way. We all can learn more.
9 months ago: Nexel, you do a lot for people you say.
Why don't you work with the little children and see and hear what they know about God when it comes to accepting the end of their life. Maybe you should just see for yourself. Even if you don't see anything, you would be doing a great service to those little ones who may be looking at their last glance of life.
9 months ago: I have sunny, my uncle before his death by cancer worked as the maintenance for a special camp for children injured in fires and with terminal illnesses. I spent many weekends at the camp with my cousin and the other children.

A large number of my friends are also Catholic of one denomination or another. It is a running gag between my BF and myself each time we see each other: He says Hey Heathen! I say Hey fool and we laugh about it.

I have grown up with religious people all around me. All quoting the bible and telling me how I will end up when I die. I have to remind them that I have died already multiple times. I was born 2 and a half month premature with a collapsed ribcage. I died and was revived 6 times. I have no baby pictures because my mother didn't want photos of me connected to machines. I spent my first year hocked to machines to keep me alive. Though you wouldn't know it to see me now. Also please no, god has a purpose for you lines, I heard that one enough.

When I talked about Noah's ark and its timeline, that was from reading a christian scholars papers on its time line. Which is in direct contrast with world history. I have to side with world history. Your religion being elevated to the main religion in Rome by Constantin is historical fact. Your first ever church constructed was the basilica of saint Peter's. You can look it up for yourself... which is roughly 21,000 years after the event of Noah's ark (if we decide to use it happened during the blizzards of the ice age).

The Basilica of saint Peter was constructed over a roman necropolis that was filled in with concrete making a artificial hill. The church was used by the roman people as a celebratory site until the church put a stop to it. This is all historical fact, not fiction, not me just deciding what I want to hear.
9 months ago: Nexel, All I can say is Wow! How did you get into all that?
You are real healthy today and educated and strong. Amazing.....
We really shouldn't take anything seriously. I don't do that. I like people because they are interesting. I love the faith I have and my ability to be self assured and confident through it because I earned it.
Historical facts can be harsh but that was long ago. People were not so civil. and I think they were a little crazy.
It is something that is outside of historical facts that keeps us following Jesus and Christianity. I can't explain it, but it is there. I know that Ed, Truth, and Huey know what that is.
Noah's Ark - there are a lot of stories. At least we have those beautiful animals. I appreciate them, and we are the caretakers. Noah's Ark - that defines to be a symbol of a caretaker and protecter.
I haven't been to Rome, and I want to see the Vatican.
I don't push religion. I like it for me and what it has done for me and my family
Pulled me through a lot of scrapes.
I had gone to see Jeff Corwin a few years back, and he said how our life spans aren't long enough to be able to pass on the information we learned, or learn more to share with each other. I still rather have fun and enjoy life. The past is the past, and it can stay there. We have to build our future with respect to everything living.
9 months ago: My girl friend says I have a calming aura and children just feel naturally safe in my presence, some adults as well. I think it is because I am the big bad bear ;)

As to how you get into it, I can not honestly say. These things just happen to people of my family line. Complete random strangers will walk up to me and unload their life story or ask for advice. It was really bad for my mother, her nick name is The EveryMom. She has this universal mother aura about her and reminds everyone of their own mom. People will just walk up to her and start talking. Grocery store, the street any where really.

For my uncle the camp was work, he did all the maintenance at the place plus upkeep. At my first visit to I was just seeing my relatives and ended up entertaining and playing with the kids. Most of the time it is just listening and treating them no different from how you would treat anyone else. Some times they will ask why, the religious ones were always the hardest to deal with.

They hit a crises of faith and you have to respect their beliefs while at the same time impart wisdom without confusing them. Which is hard to do with a 6-12 year old trying to understand why they are dieing or have been heavily disfigured in a fire.

I think imparting knowledge is proportional to how well you listen. The better you are at listening and learning from things around you. The better off in life you will be.

9 months ago: Nexel, your friend is right. You have a calming aura on me too.
I kind of miss the neighborhood I grew up in because everyone talked to each other. Your mom had to be friendly and kind to everyone to have that response from people. I know I like her already. The EveryMom. That's so special. You apparently inherited that trait.

Your uncle probably loved helping.
I think too with sick children it is a matter of listening to their hearts and being there for them. It is as if you had a friend who had to unload their problems on you, you listen and not talk too much.
Like yourself who had that close encounter with dying, we don't understand that and we always question why. Somehow little children facing death make peace with it and transcend the fear. Disfigurment is a hard thing to deal with in this society. They need a lot of support and love.
9 months ago: First of all salvation is a free gift, we are then judged by works. This is about the Kingdom of Heaven. not the Roman Catholic church. If you don't believe the Bible then, for one you do not have Salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
9 months ago: What exactly do I need salvation from? eternal damnation? for what exactly am I eternally damned for? I am damned because I do not believe a man in a dress with a white collar telling me that I live in sin and corruption. Why exactly do I live in sin and corruption?

Is it because I get up in the morning and do free work for those in need of homes? Is it because during the holidays I take my extra income and purchase decorations, gifts and feasts for those less fortunate then me? Is it because every year I open my garage and run the haunted garage for my communities children? A event they look forward to every year in my community. Is it me handing out warming drinks on that cold October so the kids have something warm and can enjoy the event?

No it must be because I do not care about my fellow people because a book says I do not right? Because I do not believe in it. Do I do these things for rewards? no, I do them because I can and I enjoy the joy filled look in peoples eyes as I make their world just a little bit brighter. Of course none of this matters, me being a good person because I do not follow the bible! I am eternally damned.

So to be a good person above moral corruption and sin I have to read a book and live my life based on it. A book that is written by men, about things that never happened. I have to pay a organization that has done more to damage the world then any government or nation or I will be eternally damned to hell?

So is that Lucifer the angle or the druid/pagan god of harvests who's image was used to represent Satan/Lucifer as a form of persecution to the local religions. So the priests could accuse them of devil worship during the churches expansion into Ireland and Scotland? Should I send him my resume as a builder so I can erect monuments in his name?

Oh sorry, only a christian who has turned from god and worships Lucifer is a devil worshiper. The rest of us do not believe in either of them. I guess I am then not damned at all.
9 months ago: Oh dear Ed, you contradicted yourself! (again)

"First of all salvation is a free gift, we are then judged by works.

For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. "

Judged by works and then not judged by works.

Strange how according to your own scripture you are saved "through faith", but according to you, you are judged by works that are not part of the saving criteria because you might boast of your works.

Hmmmmm. Seems that boasting is quite high on your list. How many times have I read that you "brought xx souls to Christ" or some other such way of claiming that you talked some poor person into the ritual. That is called boasting.
9 months ago: That is correct, when we get to Heaven, there will be the Judgement seat of Christ where Crowns will be handed out.

Php_4:1 Therefore, my brothers, ones loved and longed for, my joy and crown, stand fast in this way in the Lord, beloved ones.
1Th_2:19 For what is our hope or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are you not even to be in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
2Ti_4:8 Now there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that Day; and not to me only, but also to all those who love His appearing.
Jas_1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
1Pe_5:4 And when the Chief Shepherd shall appear, you shall receive a never-fading crown of glory.

Rev_3:11 Behold, I come quickly. Hold fast to that which you have, so that no one may take your crown.

Rev_22:12 And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.
9 months ago: I'm standing by Ed.
Ed all you have to say is the Our Father. It can move mountains, but we already know that.
They have their religion and we have ours. We are Christians.
I'm sure they are both really nice people, but I would never bash another's faith or belief. Anyway it looks like that one can't ignore you. One thing you don't say is that the Bible is a lie. The Bible has already proven itself.
9 months ago: Well, Ed we will know of heaven.
Keep up the good work. Who cares about anyone else thinks.
They wouldn't talk so much about Christians and the Bible if they didn't have doubts about themselves and their own nonbeliefs.
9 months ago: I have no doubts ;) at least none in this matter. Nor do I ever question my none belief. It is all historical facts that can be looked up by any one. Once you have a piece of information that contradicts another (in this case the bible), then it is supported by the entirety of world history. You have to start to question and wonder: 21,000 years and suddenly there is a book with a entire history counter to everything that has been recorded? then that organization goes on a crusade to destroy knowledge and mold the people into a unthinking mass.

You are not allowed to read the bible, you are not allowed to interpret it. The man who translated it for common people to read was hunted by the church for years until his friends turned him in. Then he was held in the worst possible living conditions, tortured and then publicly killed. I am pretty sure he was drawn and quartered. His grave unmarked, the earth salted etc...

I doubt not what the church has done in your gods name, I doubt not that the bible has been altered to suite their needs. I doubt not that what you think it says is the truth for you. I am only saddened that you do not question your religious leaders and challenge doctrine that is morally wrong.

9 months ago: Nexel, You don't have to be sad for Christians.
How do you know that we don't challenge it. We do. We are like anyone else. Only our challenging is a desire to wanting to know more.
If something works for someone and it helps them through life, it isn't right to tear it down. The Bible, I understand the meaning of the Bible. You don't understand it, and you don't have to.
You are looking at it as an ordinary book, but we see it differently looking through the eyes of Jesus.
I know that the Bible has been rewritten by Kings but walking through the pages of the Bible is Jesus. He is the one we follow, and he is the one we believe in. Life teaches me to have faith every single day. I'm not looking back at a religion which used their power to control the pagans at that time to make them fear the church.
I know Jesus Christ would ever condemn you for anything. You're a good person, and he was and is a real person. That's all the fact we need.
Jesus died so that we could live. I wouldn't simplify his death, Nexel. I think it is too big for anyone on the face of this earth to feel they can simplify. His death is remembered as if it were yesterday. That's powerful stuff, and there is no one else who could be remembered like he is. No atheist was ever remembered like our God.
He was also a common man on this earth. He didn't put himself above anyone else. It was a political war that put him in that position. The people who didn't know any better were given a choice in an arena for sport and they choose Barabbas, a prisoner. What did they know? They chose a thief and a murderer because they could identify with him The same is going on today. Political wars that destroy lives. Nailing to a cross was the way executions were carried out at that time. The way he was hanging the cavity around his heart collected blood and caused it to burst. You don't have to be saddened for me, I am angry over what was done to him. I myself as a human being feel freedom and joy through my Christ. Nothing gets me down.
You should never criticize anyone's religion because that one person one day might be your best friend who you may need.
9 months ago: Sunny, "They wouldn't talk so much about Christians and the Bible if they didn't have doubts about themselves and their own nonbeliefs."

They wouldn't talk so much about non-Christians and the Bible if they didn't have doubts about themselves and their own beliefs. There! I finally took your words and twisted them!! Happy? Of course now they are a truthful statement whereas before it was just a comforting lie a person tells themselves when the truth hurts too much.

Ed, you just agreed that I caught you in a contradiction. Are you so unsure of your position that that contradicting your self is okay? And who would want or need a "Crown" in a place where everyone is equal and everyone has everything they could ever need? Applying earthly symbolism to what is supposed to be un-earthly reward just makes it cheap.

Sunny, All, As a historical text the Bible is a good source, so no, that part is not a lie. As a religious document for what is to come after death, it is whatever the writers want you to believe based on what those who had the power to command them to write, no matter what the original text might have said, that part is a lie.

As a text to guide you in how you should behave toward others as a person it is a good "how to live" guide, as long as you leave out the raping, infanticide, murder, adultery, warmongering, stealing, country destroying and a host of other bad behaviors approved by the local clergy. Try the version before the Catholic church had it revised to suit their needs to dominate the ignorant masses even more. You know, the one that was supposedly written by God, not the one written by the Pope.

Ed, when you get ready to move that mountain..... Better left for your imagination.

Sunny, "Who cares about (what) anyone else thinks." You do, very much so, so much so that every opposing response, no matter how rational, no matter how studied, no matter how correct, is attacked and vilified as the rantings of a dissatisfied, broken person who takes joy in running down others ideas and opinions with no thought for decency. Yes, my dear, you care very deeply.

9 months ago: First of all I was on before you.
I'm sure Edward and I have moved mountains with prayer. I know I have.
You see the thing that is special about us is that we can move mountains and apparently you can't. It is obvious because you don't know what it is.
We tolerate that is one of our strengths. You are confused. I don't even pay attention to you. I never saw anyone have such behavior and need so much attention. You see buddy boy you can believe that you die and that's it...that's fine with me. I don't believe that because I know better. You are searching and can't find the answers. Look to Jesus and you will. You are a good candidate. You question a lot.
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Pay attention to the "Member Since" date. Whose is older?
9 months ago: I went off and came back on and I couldn't pick up my old start date.
Their right. It isn't important.
9 months ago: What was your user name?
9 months ago: Hum bug.
9 months ago: Yes, I'm sure you have prayed and prayed and prayed and whatever you were praying for finally came true or it didn't and you said "That's God's will". Truth be told, you prayed and something occurred and you "claim" God made it happen just like you prayed. OR you prayed and it didn't happen and you gave up, saying that God didn't want it to happen so it didn't. Either way, you ended up accepting fate, proving nothing. (Sorry, that one didn't work either, I'm still alive.)

You tolerate? YOU? I can follow your posts back to June of this year, YOUR tolerance is about as long as one post from ANYONE that disagrees with yours. And your response is rapid fire nagging about how horrible that "other" person is. Such a marvelous display of Christian superiority.

My perseverance in responding to you has little to do with me needing "attention", there are thousands of web sites where I can go and get all the "attention" I require and as for my behavior, I believe my record will stand on its own as for proper behavior on this or any other web site.

Yes I am searching for answers. I didn't accept the brainwashing of supposedly superior Christian teachings, there were way too many CONTRADICTIONS, way too many self serving prophecies, way to many "rules" that served the ruling classes need to remain in charge and reap the financial rewards of being in charge. Research: Pope, financial gain and greed, or "any Christian doctrine for that matter", then look at other religions and see the greed and power hunger there as well, few will pass the test of NOT existing for that purpose. And NO I am not picking on the Catholics, it does say "or any" and "then look at".

For someone who doesn't pay attention to me, you spend a lot of time shotgunning responses to my posts.
9 months ago: I don't get this guy. I'm taking a course right now and you are annoying. I again don't care 2 cents what you think. YOu can be right if you want to be. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying take a walk because I am true to my faith. This guy can't be the same person. The other guy was rather nice.
Get lost today will you.
9 months ago: I will be "right" because I proved that I am right, not because I have to be but because I dug up the proof that I am or "OR", yes that is (OR) someone else dug up better proof that I am not. I have been proven wrong, but it wasn't because someone "said" I was by constantly nagging me saying "your mean" "you just need attention" "you don't understand women" "you treat women badly" "I'm not responding to you anymore" (10 or 20 times).

"The other guy" "The same guy"? If the post says "sixholdens" it was me, the guy who joined this site in May of 2009 because he was looking for a place to discuss any issue he felt strongly enough about to brave responding to. Back then the site was not overloaded with "The Moral Majority" members and discussions could go days without scripture being bandied about like bullets.

I can't win all the discussions but I will not be shouted down by someone who refuses to even acknowledge facts when presented to them multiple times.
9 months ago: Six
Times change and all of us have change.
This site use to be a bunch of guys mocking each other.
I think you and others have a lot of good information now.
I agree with you most of the time. Everyone has their own opinion.
9 months ago: Sorry Edward for this nonsense.
You made a really nice post.
9 months ago: Sunny, "They wouldn't talk so much about Christians and the Bible if they didn't have doubts about themselves and their own nonbeliefs."

They wouldn't talk so much about non-Christians and the Bible if they didn't have doubts about themselves and their own beliefs. There! I finally took your words and twisted them!! Happy? Of course now they are a truthful statement whereas before it was just a comforting lie a person tells themselves when the truth hurts too much.

Ed, you just agreed that I caught you in a contradiction. Are you so unsure of your position that that contradicting your self is okay? And who would want or need a "Crown" in a place where everyone is equal and everyone has everything they could ever need? Applying earthly symbolism to what is supposed to be un-earthly reward just makes it cheap.

Sunny, All, As a historical text the Bible is a good source, so no, that part is not a lie. As a religious document for what is to come after death, it is whatever the writers want you to believe based on what those who had the power to command them to write, no matter what the original text might have said, that part is a lie.

As a text to guide you in how you should behave toward others as a person it is a good "how to live" guide, as long as you leave out the raping, infanticide, murder, adultery, warmongering, stealing, country destroying and a host of other bad behaviors approved by the local clergy. Try the version before the Catholic church had it revised to suit their needs to dominate the ignorant masses even more. You know, the one that was supposedly written by God, not the one written by the Pope.

Ed, when you get ready to move that mountain..... Better left for your imagination.

Sunny, "Who cares about (what) anyone else thinks." You do, very much so, so much so that every opposing response, no matter how rational, no matter how studied, no matter how correct, is attacked and vilified as the rantings of a dissatisfied, broken person who takes joy in running down others ideas and opinions with no thought for decency. Yes, my dear, you care very deeply.

9 months ago: Okay, Six, you are right. What's the big deal on this site?
9 months ago: You are right as far as you are concerned and your beliefs only, not mine and Christianity.
9 months ago: Sunny, I have not nor ever will attempt to tell you what your personal beliefs are, I will attempt to understand them if you explain them.

As it pertains to the Christian Religion, I can and will state what those beliefs are supposed to be since that information is in the public domain.

My beliefs are my beliefs, at the top is personal freedom.
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9 months ago: I'm not saying that anyone has to agree with me.
It's only an opinion but it is also what I have learned and experienced in life.
9 months ago: Six, That's good. Intelligence is the key to communicating.

Christians are like anyone else. I don't believe you will really find true meaning to anything in information that is in public domain. I wouldn't look in records of public domain to find information on a friend who may be an atheist. I would only look at the person. Each person is different with different values. You can't look into info in public domain and find the answer to a person's worth or actions or what laws of the church that they should strictly follow. I don't think anyone does that. People do challenge and make their own decisions. A church can't tell us how to think to be a good Christian.
Yes, I believe in personal freedom within control and without excess, otherwise, this would be a pretty wild place. No matter how we got here, or why we are here, we are. No one has the answers, but we are still meant to live together in harmony. If we can treat people like we want to be treated, it would be a far better place. I know we are meant to enjoy it.
Unfortunately, differences cause the problem, predjudism, discrimination, hate and fear. Unfortunately, we have to deal with that and sickness, war, poverty. You wonder why we are living this way, and it is because of these differences and misunderstandings. People of power can be selfish and manipulative for their own selfish reasons. These are the criminals that should be scrutinized. It is frustrating to deal with no good politicians and big business telling people what to do. They dictate more than a church. They have become a religion and a church within themselves. I don't think a normal person ...Christian, jew, atheist's beliefs are geared to destructive ways in this country. It is that one crazy ignorant individual that hurts others and draws support because of their game.
9 months ago: Sunny, information in the public domain is information that used to be private. Not because anyone deliberately hid it away (like the Catholic archives in the Vatican) but because the "vehicle" to disseminate large amounts of information to millions/billions of other humans was not available. It is still a new way of spreading knowledge and many still do not have access to it. To distrust the information in the public domain is to shut yourself off from a source of knowledge that is extremely vast in its complexity and honesty. Sure there are places that contain nothing but lies, but when you use the simple process of more than one source, three to five, you can figure out what is and isn't true.

As for knowing a person deep down, the internet is only a tool to find information and you must mine it like looking for diamonds in the dirt. The more communication you have with that person will provide clues as time goes on, you must mine that as well.

"A church can't tell us how to think to be a good Christian." I wish you actually believed that. From your previous statements, you let the church guide a lot of your thinking. From what Nethel has told us of his life and his works, he thinks more along the ideal lines that a true Christian should be thinking than most who have been heralded as great Christian representatives in this past 100 years. IMO, of course. Yet you have condemned him because your Church says he is bad because he doesn't believe in your religion, the book it wrote or it's "officers".

One last observation. You have attempted to place the blame for atrocious acts solely upon the person who committed them, saying that "they" were not the religious sect that did the act, that it was the person. This is true and it is not true. Do you know of the Islamic schools that are all over the Middle East (and the world)? The ones where devout Muslims go to learn about their religion? Did you know that these schools are a PRIME source of terrorist? That part of their daily lessons are nothing more than brainwashing the students into hating all other religious beliefs and all other cultures besides their own? Madrasah's didn't start out that way and many are not guilty of such barbaric teaching but the fact is that many of the worst people in the world go to one to learn how to kill those not like them. These schools are supported by the "church" of Islam and because that church supports these radicals and the radical teachings, that church is also to blame. Guilt by association is hard to defeat no matter how many good things are done like taking in orphans and the destitute, seems they are perfect candidates to brainwash into mass slaughter for a religion.
9 months ago: Six, I know and understand completely.
You are doing it again. You don't read what I say.
Historians have to research that information even at the Vatican.
All muslins are not bad people or terrorists.
I don't have anymore to say. As far as Nexel, he understands what I am saying to him.
9 months ago: God is similiar to a parent.
9 months ago: One thing I have found out is that God rewards. If we aren't, our children are given gifts. It is so obvious.
9 months ago: Sunny, my motive as a Christian is to save as many as possible from damnation. God created us, Adam sinned and we inherited the sin. We serve a living God; most people resist the things of God and Salvation because of pride.

God is NOT putting non Christians into Hell, through Adam they are all ready headed there; Hell was created for Satan not man and woman. But God loved us so much that he became a man and died a cruel death to make a way for us to escape, and many do not appreciate what He did. So it's their choice. I can see their faces saying Barabbas, Barabbas.
9 months ago: Ed, Don't you realize that by forcing your religion on them, into their ears/brain, that it is you who condemns them? According to your book, those that are ignorant of the teachings are not subject to them.

There is no such thing as "Original Sin", you can blame Bishop of Lyon Irenaeus for that little bit of lying to the masses to further subjugate them. Another bit of Catholic manipulating the New Testament to further the goals of the clergy, those goals being the control of the masses through fear and the accumulation of personal and church wealth through "voluntary" tithing.
9 months ago: Edward I believe that people find God in their own time if they are meant to.
Sin had to start somewhere, and it has been a roller coaster ride ever since, but the good out weighs it. Although many are not Christians, they do a lot of good in this world. I don't care what a person's faith is I look at the person.
We are still the human race of people that are free thinkers. We make our own choices in life. I don't know why nonchristians believe that in our faith God is condeming them. There is a lot of misunderstandings. Possibly they feel bullied into accepting what they don't believe in.
Barabbas being set free was meant to happen. He went on a long journey to find Christ.

9 months ago: Sunny, "I don't know why nonchristians believe that in our faith God is condeming them." That's simple. What do you tell a nonchristian will happen to them if they don't believe in your brand of religion? They will be condemned. Condemned to something they don't believe in, have no desire to believe in and that logic tells them is unbelievable.

As for "original sin". It is a contradiction in the Bible. Innocent babies can not have sin or have sinned. Only a rational thinking human being can have or can sin. Babies haven't attained that level of mental functioning, not for many years.
9 months ago: Six, Again I don't see religion as an institution. It is here for me to take it or leave it. I chose to accept my faith, and I believe in it.
God isn't condeming anyone. Non of us have the answers, so why knock ourselves out about it. I say plainly live the best life you can live.

Original sin makes me wonder. I was in a restaurant in Aspen a couple of years ago. This woman, up in age, said that she was Michelangelo in her previous life. She painted the Sistein chapel, and she was this artist. No question about it. Nobody laughed or poked fun or made a joke. The others said they too were certain that they lived past lives. (don't laugh, Six)
My point is that the doctrine of original sin may not be so far fetched if life is a big circle.
Original sin's doctrine comes from the fall of man. Who knows?
9 months ago: I think if God condemned mankind over every little thing, we would know it. Instead he leaves room for error and that we are all only human.
9 months ago: Edward,
I think this says it all.
quote you:
Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."

We just are born of the spirit. We feel it around us every day.
9 months ago: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOOSE OF MANY GODS.

John 3:16 says, For God so love the world, that He sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, should have everlasting life.

God sent Jesus on this earth to die on the cross for us. Jesus took all of our sins, and took our punishment that we should have receiven. Instead of us being on that cross, Jesus loved us soooooo much, that He did it for us. BUT, we can only go to Heaven and be saved if we believe on Him, repent of our sin and know how awful we are, and accept God's free gift of salvation. Jesus took my sin, your sin, and everyone's sin on Him, because He loved us so much!!!!

If you read the Holy Bible God will speak to you, if you seek Him with all of your heart.
9 months ago: We want all you Guys and ladies to get to Heaven. PARADISE, God must be shaking His head up there. He must be saying I sent my Son to die for them and they are still rejecting my free gift. Yes I said FREE.
9 months ago: That is just it Ed, what you are trying to do and what you are saying are two different things. If we do not do what you want, we are eternally damned. In order to do what you want we have to subjugate ourselves to a organization that has done more harm then good. We have to support that organization and do what we are told. OR we will be eternally damned, does that sound free to you? Let me say it and you decide: Accept Jesus and God or you are eternally damned! It is a free choice! does that sound like a free offer? so I do not do what you want I will be punished for it?

Why do you not want to go to paradise? Simple, because I do not believe paradise is something made for you, I believe it is something we make for ourselves.

All that video of global destruction, guess what? I can design and build structures that laugh at that kind of elemental forces. Do you know why those types of structures are not built? it isn't because we do not have the technology, it is because people do not want to pay for it. The common person is a reactionary and not proactive. This will never happen to me... that is the mind set of most people.

Did you know we have earthquake proof foundations that move with earthquakes? did you know that buildings are air tight and we on purpose make them leak for air transfer because people do not want to pay for the mechanical air exchanger? did you know a tornado's wind speeds get into the air space behind connected materials and tares them off and that is what causes the structure to fail?

But if we designed the structure as a single unit exterior their is nothing for it to remove. We can build structural system that can resist the impact of air planes... a several thousand tone object moving at incredible speed. What does that tell you Ed?
9 months ago: By the way I visited all of the religious sites in Jerusalem.
9 months ago: So cool. My dad and mom went to Israel and my dad came back a different person. He was a vet and saw a lot of brutality that never left him until he went to Israel with my mom. He became more aware. My mom was always spiritual and prayed, and she wanted to go there and share the experience with him.
I'm glad they spent that time together. What he brought back with him, was priceless. He became more in tune with God. He couldn't stop talking about his experience there.
9 months ago: I started to research the Bible, wanting to discover its authenticity and power. While in Israel on a two-week visit with my pastor and members of the church, I made a video of the Holy Land. My research revealed that although the Bible's authors were human, they were powerfully guided and directed by the Holy Spirit. As a result, there is no error in Scripture concerning matters of faith and practice for mankind.

The Bible is God-breathed. Its human authors were powerfully guided and directed by the Holy Spirit. As a result what they wrote is not only without error but also of supreme value for man. It is all that God wanted it to be. It constitutes the infallible rule of faith and practice for mankind.

The Spirit, however, did not suppress the personality of the writer but raised it to a higher level of activity (John 14:26:) And because the individuality of the human author was not destroyed, we find in Scripture a wide variety of style and language.
9 months ago: Edward - Very well said.
Quote: As a result, there is no error in Scripture concerning matters of faith and practice for mankind.
9 months ago: Matthew 16:26: says, "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the world, and lose his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

II Corinthians 4:4: says, "In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine into them."

Romans 1:21-22: says, "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

We must come to God simply, as a child would. The Bible says, "The least among us and the most humble shall be first." It tells us that the way to heaven is narrow and that because of our sin, few shall find it.

I Peter 4:12: says, "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy."

Satan took the dominion away from man when he sinned. Since Jesus died and rose again from His grave, Satan is only the god of the unbelieved, The humans who believe in Jesus are one with the Father Son and Holy Spirit and are Heaven bound.
9 months ago: Edward, do you ever watch that show "Person of Interest."
It implies that everyone is being watched. No privacy, no life of any sort will be our own. I hope I never this.
9 months ago: That is cute, but you forgot to get to the happy ending you will be sharing part one with the rest of us ;)
9 months ago: I think the two guys are good actors.
In the cliff hanger they kidnapped one of the leads who built the machine. He sold the machine to the gov. for $1 because it was too big of an invention for him alone. You see the machine became more than he expected it to be. Now it calculates and seeks you out and finds you and predicts a victim so that person can be saved and avoid death or trauma. Only thing is the person may be the one who is the bad guy and causing all the problems.
I can't wait until it comes back on again.
9 months ago: I saw the first one. The second didn't come through.
9 months ago: It's a Free choice, the only reason we are pushing the proof, is that the War between Israel and Iran and others will begin in a few months or less. There is not more time left. Lets say Sept - 2012 Sept 2013.
9 months ago: I hope that never happens. If so, we brace ourselves and take care of business.
9 months ago: With all the angry people, greedy people, and stupid people, after it is all over, the earth will revive itself and come back refreshed and new.
What does that say? People are the problem.
9 months ago: Not so much people as it is the systems in place I think. People have the intelligence to make their lives better. Most just choose not too and live their life blaming others for the condition of it. They get this idea they are owed a free ride and that it is everyone else who has the problem and not themselves. I have seen the road of destruction with them many times.

Collectively we have the wisdom to solve all the world problems, the issue is the organizations that go in to "help" with these problems are in it for the money. Yes the people on staff they point the camera's at are their to help as best they can. But if you follow the money it says a different story. Take the drought and famine in Africa...

How can this be solved? one aqueduct using a natural filter to remove salt from sea water. Bio mimicry green houses that use moisture from the air and feeds it into the soil. The systems are used to reverse desertification of area's. In a 5 year span the ground will be fully fertile and life supporting. Why is the long solution not being done?

Cancer, we know of a chemical that in nearly harmless to humans that reactivate the self destruct in cancer cells. This treatment can reduce a inoperable cancer into a operable one. Why is it clinically not available? well because the chemical is a public compound, meaning it can not be copy righted/trade marked and sold by a single provider. How much money is spent on cancer research a year?
9 months ago: Some are intellient derilects. Then there are some people that try to get ahead and don't get the breaks. No formal training or schooling. Many had to work to put food on the table. They could be the most talented people. There should be room for them.
I believe things can be made better our medical system, our buildings, etc., but it is the money. No money big problem as you lknow.
I have to say one thing in defense of Afrida. We have just finished a beautiful school and given much help to establish a community life. Wells have been dugged. They had to travel miles for clean water before the well. Now sanitary conditions have been provided for the school. Food, clothing. It has been successful. No one was out for money or recognition. It was all for the people. Took a lot out of us, but it was worth it. Not one penny went out to anyone. All controlled and all managed signed, sealed, and delivered. What you get to see are people who have been kept down are now flourishing and proud. They are no different than we are over here. They just need someone to be on their side and be there to guide them. See, no one will help them get a start because so many are needy and won't listen to them. It takes one person to make a change. It is like having an extension of my family. I love these people to death. Since we started it it is on a roll, other organization want to help. Someone had to do it. This one person over there is so special and loves his people.
I like the aqueduct ideal but isn't that costly?
We are concentrating on another idea too.
So far the people have learned a trade and have become skilled in building. They were taught by a world-wide organization that we came across to show them how to make the building blocks for the school. Now they can find some work on their own elsewhere.
That is correct about the copyrighted restrictions on compounds of drugs. It takes 25 years I believe for it to be marketed by anyone esle. All about money. There are all small baby pharms around trying to make money on the sick and the side effects of the stuff they are pushing can kill a person.
9 months ago: It only becomes costly if the materials used are prefabricated and shipped. If they develop their own quarry and shape the blocks themselves with a little limestone cement they can build them with little problem. Costs are material, labour and professionals involved.

But if the materials used are local costs go down. If the people want the ducts, they can work for free in exchange for 3 meals and education on construction plus having life restored to them. Professionals donate their time every day, you need a engineer, a GIS land survayer, one geo technical and a heavy construction contractor willing to spare 8-12 months. Give or take on that estimate.
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9 months ago: Sunny: Look at this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzsBC2yiq...

I have studied this for the last ten years and this a a very good presentation.

When God created the World He made a good place, look at the World today, God does not want His people to live in a place like this.
9 months ago: Sunny: Edward, do you ever watch that show "Person of Interest." No I have not, you and your family has nothing to worry about, it's going to be beyond of wildest dreams.

Nathel: The invitation from Christ is for every one.
9 months ago: I am sure it is Ed, however that isn't what you are saying. You are forcing a choice between two things. Heaven or hell, to you this isn't a choice, who wants eternal torment and damnation? This is a no brainier, of course people would want to live in a perfect world.

What you are not comprehending from our point of view is we see a historical control device that has used people like you for over a 1,000 years (in this case). They make promises they can not actually keep. You have to have faith that what they are telling you is true. Except they have no proof other then a story in a book that we know is false information.

I would never support such a organization, and the only faith I carry is in myself.
Only I can help myself, only I can change my world, only I can get up and dust myself off when I have fallen. Some would say that is pride or arrogance, however it isn't above me to ask for help of my fellow travelers. Just as they ask me for help when they need it.

When I look back at my life that I have lived thus far. I see 32 years of what some would call hard living. I have been handed nothing in my life. Everything I have is because I stood up and worked for it myself. My parents made sure I had those tools to do so. I listened and learned from my elders and history. I studied and worked, failed and learned from my mistakes.

Why would I forsake everything in my life for a fictional character to make the world a better place for me? Pretty sure I have been handling the job for the last 32 years and I will continue to handle it for the next 60 should I be so lucky. What you are asking me is not a choose between heaven and hell. What you are asking me is to give up, lay down, accept that someone else will make it better and all I have to do is live by what they say and die. It goes against every fiber of my being. If I am damned for being the holder of my own destiny and taking responsibility for myself, I wouldn't want any part of that religion.
9 months ago: Nethel, I know that you believe that we are forcing our beliefs on you, but we are not. There can be only one God, we believe by faith, our God is a living God, if you read the Bible and God sees your heart.

God will speak to you, just for the fact that you are inquisitive tells me that you are seeking. If you prayed and ask God to reveal Himself to you, if He exist he will. Take a look at these links.

http://www.youtube.com/v/p8kN3s5I7Q8&fs=...


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