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A Happy New Year Ahead?

Posted 4 months ago|27 comments|292 views
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Both Houses of Congress overwhelmingly passed a Department of Defense Authorization Bill that could strip any Americans of their legal rights. Many people think this is just the first step to total Fascism. http://thedirtylowdown.wordpress.com/

The only bright spot to Obama signing the bill is that he attached a "Signing Statement" that said he disagreed with the intent of Congress to take away all civil rights of Americans who could be held indefinitely without any legal defense or attorneys to be tried in Military courts.

"I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat," Obama said.

Regarding a section on the executive branch's authority to detain suspected terrorists, including U.S. citizens captured on the battlefield, Obama said he wanted to clarify that his administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/ob...

Of Course Obama should have just vetoed the entire bill and sent it back to have the unconstitutional parts taken out, but apparently in the middle of a war people think the troops should be supported.

So far Obama has made 18 "Signing Statements" Bush signed 161. Of course "Signing statements" probably are not Constitutionally valid, because they bypass the intent of congress thereby bypassing the separation of powers.

Still is nice to know that Obama is at least publicly stating that he is on our side.

The other silver lining to the act is that it was $27 billion less than Obama sought, and $43 billion less than fiscal 2011

Because of the failure of the so called "Super Committee" another $60 billion a year in additional military cuts will automatically happen. One easy way to cut this amount would be the useless missile defense program and all of the expensive weapons systems designed to fight wars against other super powers.

In fact a good New Years Resolution that the President and Congress should make is to end the war in Afghanistan, bring all of the troops home (including all of the mercenaries) end about half of the 1000 foreign bases we have and use all of that money to rebuild our own country.

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4 months ago: "Obama is at least publicly stating that he is on our side"????? ...so your side is in favor of obliterating your constitution, holding civilians in detention centers for what they "might do"?????? I don't think America is on "your side"...doesn't look like a Happy New Year for America if Obama is left loose!

Before you go voting for Obama, you might want to watch this...
Ron Paul 2012 - Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItd9tbx9...

...held without trial and without charges... "prolonged detention" ...well that's one way to eradicate the constitution! This speech from Obama was posted in another rant, I just had to share it... tell me what you think PH... and AL...
4 months ago: You know, most of the Nazi war criminals stated that they were, in principle, against what they were doing. Maybe Obama should read the Nuremberg Principle IV that states:
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

Moral choice for Obama would be to veto this law. Since he didn't, he is responsible under American and International laws...
4 months ago: Maybe we can attach a signing statement to his pink slip.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: First of All Truthberry, are you certain that the NDAA Does "favor obliterating your constitution, holding civilians in detention centers for what they "might do"? http://underthemountainbunker.com/

"My Side" is the 99%. Most of Congress is paid off by the Military Industrial Complex who wants perpetual war. My side is the side that wants peace, and which wants our democracy back from the lobbyists.

The point is that At least Obama is giving lip service to retaining some rights for American citizens while 90% of Congress doesn't think people should have any rights. He at least threatened to veto the bill even though it would have been overridden.

If you are going to vote anyone out, vote out the Congress people who put that language in the bill. (Republicans) Every Republican in the Senate, one independent, and 16 Democrats voted to leave the language in the bill that would allow taking away rights. Those are the people we should go after - not the president who threatened a veto because of that language.
4 months ago: Al,

Finally some honesty, you said it well... "At least Obama is giving lip service"
You would rather have a liar as your Commander in Chief, than one that is honest and doesn't agree with you... do you even listen to yourself?
4 months ago: Obama is like Godaddy... the only reason Big-'0' signed NDAA is because even his own would have ate him (dog-eat-dog style), '0' is clear what he wants to do with those he thinks are a threat... including anyone keeping him from another term.
4 months ago: More people in US approve human cloning than the current Congress. The statistics is there. However, don't you find it strange that even the President is just giving "lip service" for basic human rights.

Read your copy of Declaration of Independence.

"All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Oh well, we are at least left with the "pursuit of happiness," whatever it could mean today.

Do you remember that, among other things, Revolution started because:

"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury"

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments"

...

Welcome to the Brave New US...
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Al, even though Obama disagreed with some of it, it should never be in the first place. I always have suspicion to what is really behind Congress' motives.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I hate when people say to Read the Declaration of Independence.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: Sunny you shouldn't have suspicions about Congresses motives. They are quite open about doing what they are bribed to do. The Military Industrial Complex owns the Congress. (100% of the Republicans 60% of the Democrats)

I agree that it should never have been put in NDAA in the first place. The Republicans are constantly putting poison pills in all legislation, sometimes just to piss off the Democrats. Like when Obama said the payroll tax extension should be passed clean and if they put Keystone in he wouldn't accept it, so they put keystone in just to spite him, and he once again caved in. Obama promised to veto the NDAA so they took out the most objectionable stuff.

I think Obama feels that he has to reward them if they move even an inch.

Dr. Darko you are right that our entire representative government has been taken away by the lobbyists. They no longer represent the 99%. The only way we can get our Democracy back is to get money out of government. That will take a Constitutional Amendment, or reelecting Obama and waiting till he can appoint an actual liberal to the court to overturn Citizens United.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I do have suspicions about his motives and Congress.
Why would a President feel he has to reward them? He isn't very strong. That'd right there is something to think about. The Republicans have been attacking the Democrats and now they are paying the price by becoming unpopular with the people. I think the tea party has had a lot to do with altering this administration. I know greed has had a lot to do with destroying democracy. I hope they have someone else running because I don't want to vote for him. I just lost all faith. That's my right as a citizen.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: DiDarko....You haven't convinced me that you have anything to do with the UN. You are speaking like someone who may volunteer once in a while. YOu would stand behind the UN philosophy.
4 months ago: I do not work for the UN. I worked for the UN. And you are right, I do not stand behind a lot of current UN philosophy which is more about getting money for the organization than about anything else.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Okay. This isn't a debate of who is right and wrong. I can't get into this with any one after this.
All I know is that families are hungry and starving on the streets. I don't care about statistics. You made a good point and there is always someone ready to tear it down who only goes by numbers. I don't have to count heads to know that this economy is hurting so many. When in the US has this happened, aside from the Depression. People have gotten so cold-hearted to other Americans. You can't think about numbers. It has to be about other Americans who fell short on their luck and people helping.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
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Don Smith
Fairview, TN
4 months ago: Actually the original post is incorrect..Obama demanded that section 1031 of the NDAA was included... Carl Leven testified to congress the president demanded it..
Watch the whole video Carl Leven explains exactly how it went down..Obama lied to all of America.... heres the video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCjdwaXuU...
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
4 months ago: Heres another link.....same subject..
http://www.infowars.com/obama-administra...
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
4 months ago: This and the video I posted the other day should show with out doubt that Obama is a hardcore Radical Progressive Socialist ..Heres the link I posted the other day.. I think this one speaks in volumes about what Obamas intentions really are......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItd9tbx9...
Most interesting about this video is that it is Rachel Maddow MSNBC...Not Fox News.. Maddow may be one of the most liberal women in media. And she is completely freaking out..Combine the fact that the libs wanted to not have 1031 included but was forced to include it by the president and with this video how much even hardcore Maddow cant believe what she is hearing .. It becomes pretty obvious that Obama is up to no good. He should be impeached...He may be our biggest threat to national security..
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I watch Chris Mathews and Rachel at times.
I do see a change in their views. Before it was Obama all the way and he could do no wrong. I would wonder if these people were for real sometimes. It is a little different now. I hope he pulls through for the people, but I don't see it happening. When he first took office, there was a movement in my town to have him impeached. I was stunned by this action. You can't put blinders on when nothing seems right during these times. Our country is very vulnerable and he smiles too much while there is tragedy that is going on right under his nose. He is too side tracked and military oriented while we go down the tubes.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
4 months ago: @ Al.....The Military Industrial Complex owns the Congress. (100% of the Republicans 60% of the Democrats......Where did you get these stats ? I find it hard to believe that stats like this would be posted any where..

First of All Truthberry, are you certain that the NDAA Does "favor obliterating your constitution, holding civilians in detention centers for what they "might do"? .......
I would yes they do favor obliterating the constitution...The passing of this bill a law that ends the 4th Amendment in the United States unless the Supreme Court overturns it.
Let this severe as evidence Progressives want very much to obliterate the constitution ... And they have already started the process..
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Don is making a lot of sense.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
4 months ago: @ Al.......The point is that At least Obama is giving lip service to retaining some rights for American citizens while 90% of Congress doesn't think people should have any rights. He at least threatened to veto the bill even though it would have been overridden..........

Do you really find this comforting ? Lip service is OK with you ? And threatening to do something but not carrying it out ... Thats somehow a good thing..I'm sorry but that is laughable..You are really grasping for straws trying to defend your president..

That to me is weak leadership and unacceptable... Its a sad testament to the state of our government when such nonsense is found to be acceptable..
4 months ago: Congress is made up of select people who best represent the will of the people (theory). Both houses of Congress passed this bill. A majority of the lawmakers who represent you and I voted for this bill that says "indefinite detentions for terrorists".

Why are we looking to Presidential Veto? It is the will of the people! that terrorists (or whomever law enforcements things might, maybe be terroritsts) be indefinitely detained! Period! Obama already made his position clear, but the will of the people has insisted! This law has been in the works for months and months! Congress says we should! Quit carping about the President's Veto, it is law because Congress has insisted it be law!

But personally, I think every Congressperson who voted for it should be indefinitely detained.
4 months ago: Boy Howdie.

You civil liberatrians need to be called "civil liberatrians as long as a republican is president".

Al, you are a hypocrite.

For crying out loud.
4 months ago: It's usually easier to think that the person your choose as personification of your ideas is right than to think that you made a mistake in your choice.

During Stalin's purges and mock Moscow trials of high party officials, last words of most of those facing the firing squad were:

"Long live comrade Stalin and Communist Party of USSR."
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Interesting point. It is ironic how people will go to the grave being brain washed. Maybe they promised them before they died that they wouldn't wipe out their families.
4 months ago: Most of those purged were not dissidents or anti-communists. They were true communists who believed in the ideals of communism. Most of them also believed that it was not Stalin himself who ordered their imprisonment and persecution.

Their only fault was probably that they were potential danger to Stalin's supreme control of the party. They just didn't want to believe that something like that was possible...
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I understand and that is why I say people get brainwashed into believing something that is not so.
From what I know about Stalin he was a person of murderous dictatorship.
That is what I am afraid of in this country. We have been a free nation since the start and you have those on the outside who want to bring their ideals into our beliefs and the US to their knees.

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