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100 Years of change

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The country has changed in the last 100 years, largely for the better. Considering how much we argue, I thought it would be nice to go over some of those changes, and remind everyone - including myself - that we have common ground.

VOTING
100 years ago, women couldn't vote at all. It would be eleven more years before we as a society realized the folly of this, and enfranchised the other half of the population.

100 years ago, while black men could sometimes vote, Jim Crow laws made it largely impossible. A black man trying to vote was likely endangering himself and his family.

WORKING
100 years ago, it was still legal to exploit children for labor. But in 1938, FDR signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which marked the beginning of the end of such exploitation, allowing children to have real childhoods.

100 years ago, workplace safety was nonexistent. In 1911, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory burned, resulting in a death toll of 148, mostly women. Today, locking employees into the buildings they work in is illegal, largely because of this terrible accident.

SOCIAL
100 years ago, a man was unlikely to be arrested for beating or raping his wife. The former, while technically illegal, was still a commonly accepted practice and rarely punished. The latter was largely considered impossible. It's only in the last 100 years that we have discarded the idea that women are property.

100 years ago, segregation was in full force. Interracial marriages were illegal. in 1909, a mob in Cairo, Illinois, lynched a black man named Will James. No one was ever prosecuted for the murder.

100 years ago, religious discrimination was commonplace; signs like "No Irish Please" appeared in shop windows next to Help Wanted signs, discriminating against Irish Catholics.

There are many things on which we disagree with one another. But America today is the result of vast - and sometimes painful - changes, as we've abandoned traditional beliefs that we realized were wrong. America today is a far better place to live in - for ALL her citizens - than America of 100 years ago.

But not everything can, or should, change. America was only capable of such progress because our founders enshrined in our an ideal that we all ought to consider immortal and unchanging:

We the People.

We set our own agenda. We make our own rules, and discard them at will. We decide the course of our country's destiny, and bend knee to no king.

On that, I think, we all agree.
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30 months ago: Neynn.
VOTING
100 or more years ago, our nation was a republic, and only the Senate voted for President. It worked perfectly.
WORKING
There was no such thing as minimum wages, required vacations, the family leave act, etc...
SOCIAL
Beating hearts were worth something.

I agree with alot you say; however, we lost traditional beliefs whose loss has lead to decay of our culture and society.

And to the rest, we all agree.
30 months ago: Ahahahah! Ahahah! Hah! OK, I'm done laughing now.

Redstateguy, I take back what I said about you being a troll. That was too poorly informed to be trolling. You honestly believe it.

VOTING
You are simply wrong. You would fail a civics test. You would fail the test to become a U.S. citizen. The Electoral College elects the President and Vice-President. Each state gets one "elector" for each Senator and each member of the House allotted to the state. That's 100 Senators and 435 Representatives today for a total of 535 electors.

It's in the Constitution. Article II, Section 1, Clause 2. And believe it or not, we still have the Electoral College today.
30 months ago: Boy Howdie.
Another mistake.

Instead of "Senate", I should have said "Each State's Senate".

That worked too.

30 months ago: Oh my god, you're digging yourself deeper? OK...

It was the state legislators who determined who the electors went for. That's Senate and House combined. But I'm sorry, you don't get to back out of this one. You very firmly, unequivocally said "only the Senate voted for the President." So you were wrong regardless of whether you meant the state Senates or the Federal Senate (which is more likely, based on your wording).

But the biggest thing you're wrong about: State legislatures *still* choose the electors. According to the Constitution, each state gets to decide for itself how it apportions out those electors. Each state currently mandates that the legislatures choose electors based on the popular vote results in that state, which is probably what you think has changed in the last hundred years.

Most states were doing it by 1824.
30 months ago: All this leads me to a very important question: If you are this exceptionally wrong about history and the very contents of the Constitution, why the heck should anyone care about your opinions on anything?
30 months ago: heynnn.
that's the point about liberals.
you don't care about differing opinions.

Am I wrong?
30 months ago: heynn.
your right on about me being mistaken.
my hat is in my hand.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
30 months ago: I'll tell you something we did not have 100 years agothat are now ruining our nation...That is large Corporations that created a monopoly in the labor market, UNIONS. They somehow sneaked through our anti-trust laws for the past 100 years, put an end to them, and you put an end to big government and high taxes, high prices for goods and services, and big government.

And yest I know unions have existed in America for a lot longer 100 years but they did not exert any influence over government policy until the early 20th century.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
30 months ago: HNN by the way there are some that argue that the reason child labor laws were put into affect was so the labor pool could be reduced to strengthen the unions, and drive wages higher. A very legitimate argument I might add, even though I don't agree with it 100%.

As for segregation, isn't that what our President is pushing as a policy in Israel, by condemning new Jewish settlements. Segregation is segregation no matter where it occurs.

Religious discrimination can be seen all over, especially during the Holiday Season. You can display a Crescent Moon, but don't you dare display a nativity scene or a manora (sorry about spelling). We have a principal in Florida possibly facing criminal charges for leading a prayer. We just happen to replace formal religions with the religion of Atheism.
30 months ago: @redstateguy

No, we strongly appreciate diversity of opinion. But you were getting basic civics facts wrong. Those aren't opinions. You may very well have opinions I'd be interested in on all kinds of topics, but only if you display comprehension of the most fundamental facts about those topics.

Would my opinions about, say, computers mean a thing to you if I got basic facts like what a mouse is for wrong? Of course not. It would indicate a lack of sufficient foundational knowledge with which to form an informed opinion.
30 months ago: @Billyberoo

A couple of things... First, unions were legalized in the United States in 1935. Union activity existed before that, of course, but employees attempting to bargain collectively could simply be fired. So in essence, you're correct about the period in which they've had the most influence.

You would not want to be a blue-collar worker in the United States prior to unionization. Unions have their problems, but next to the way labor was treated in the U.S. before 1935, they're a far better way of doing things. And while there are various mob problems with unions (Jimmy Hoffa, anyone?), compared to other kinds of corporate malfeasance, they're a drop in the bucket.

Read The Grapes of Wrath sometime. It's a very good, fictionalized account of what working in the United States was like before unions. It's an eye-opener.
30 months ago: And now on to your next post...

Child labor: I've never heard thar angle on it before. All in all, a noble endeavor, yes? Get kids out of factories and into schools, thus forcing wages up for their parents and raising everyone's standards of living... Personally, I don't buy that this was actually the reason, but it's a fun idea to toy with.

Israel: That isn't an issue of segregation, it's an issue of self-governance. I strongly support the right of Israel to exist, but I also feel for the Palestinians who want their own state. The settlements just exacerbate the problem.

Religious discrimination: I have no idea what you're talking about. I have neighbors who display nativity scenes every year. I myself light a menorah. I've never had anyone tell me not to. Principals in school aren't supposed to lead prayers or do anything that respects "an establishment of religion" because they're public employees, but what you or I or anyone does to celebrate the season is not anyone else's affair.

Personally, if my child had been pressured into praying according to a school principal's religion, I would be extremely angry. I'm surprised you're defending the guy. Religion is a personal choice, and I take great umbrage with anyone who seeks to force their beliefs on others.
30 months ago: heynn.
Well, after you are entertained, straighten me out then.
30 months ago: @redstateguy

Not sure there's anything else to "straighten" you out on. You admitted you were wrong, which I definitely credit you for.

This is going to sound harsh, but I'm not saying it to be mean. When I said you would fail a civics test, it was true. Your comments made it very clear you don't have enough of a foundation in this country's history and laws to develop very informed opinions about them. But don't take it as an insult, take it as a *challenge*. Learn about the Constitution and what it contains, not just the Bill of Rights. Learn about election law. Learn about the history of labor in this country. GET INFORMED.

And then come back here and demonstrate that you have a solid mastery of the facts. I *want* to debate with well-informed people who disagree with me.
30 months ago: heynn.
keep preaching. I'm not in the choir though.

30 months ago: Heh. I don't expect you to be.
30 months ago: HNN...add this fact. One hundred years ago, few, if anyone considered the negative effects of human activity on the planet. This generation has done more to overturn climate, plant and animal life degradation than any in the history of humanity.

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