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Why is RantRave Misleading Members about Adsense and News?

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According to the RantRave terms RR should have notified all members two weeks prior to revenue share changes. The only reason that I knew that RR changed the revenue share is because I looked up one of my articles for a reference and saw that my ad colors had changed. I quickly looked up the page source and found that RR had replaced my Adsense ads with their own. I stumbled on the change, but received no notification from RR, Alex Layton's post, or an email.

From RR terms (http://www.rantrave.com/terms.aspx)

It's possible that at some point, in RantRave's sole discretion, RantRave may elect not to maintain the structure described in this document. RantRave may, for example, have to change the percentages or details of the Impression sharing. If RantRave does need to change any significant terms, RantRave will notify You by email, if reasonably practicable, at least two weeks before any such change occurs. At that point, You will have the option of removing Your Rants and Raves from the Service if You choose to stop working with the Impression services under the new structure.

Why were users given no advance notice? I don't see how it was not "reasonably practical" not to notify us, giving users the opportunity to remove their content.

What non-Adsense members, and many Adsense publishers, don't understand is that for Google there is guilt by association. If Google is penalizing RR right now for spam, low quality, etc., and revoking their Google News license then that can potentially hurt the efforts of those who have writing and work on other sites that use Adsense.

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I don't understand what is going on with RantRave. Alex Layton is the #1 poster in the past seven days, but I don't see many of his posts. I think that members are probably missing critical information and that is hurting the overall site. With RR notifying people using email it is hard to follow.


No other publishing site offers you 100 percent of your page impressions, which translate into advertising dollars. In comparison, HubPages gives its users a 60 percent share, and Squidoo.com only offers a 50 percent share. RantRave relies on donations and search result advertisements for its revenue. When you post on our site, you will get every single page impression on your posts, guaranteed.

Please update the revenue share portion of the site. There actually is another site that offers 100 percent. RantRave also makes money when writers don't sign up for the Adsense program, so that was always a little bit misleading anyhow. Now, RR "only" offers 50% share, too. Members who think Adsense is the devil were only making RR more money by not signing up for it.

I think the post by Alex Layton was misleading to members and only feeds the thought by some that those out to "earn money" are the enemy of this site. I'm quite sure that my articles have brought positive attention and money to RantRave. It is RantRave that used yo-yo revenue share to bring people to the site. When it backfires Alex Layton uses the "get paid to post" as a source of blame, saying it gave the wrong impression and drew the wrong type of members. If this is the case, then was it only recently that RR had the wrong members?

Cutting the revenue share by 50% is drastic. I don't think it's fair to cut it in half when there are many other options, some that I proposed months ago. It is unfortunate that members now feel bad about admitting they used RR to make money. If you wrote original content that delivered quality information then hold your head up. We are not the ones who broke the system.

If this site is going to shift its focus to community then I hope it learns how to foster a positive community that can share opinions without personal attacks. I've been on forums, etc., before, but never encountered such criticism over everything. Members who get off on it are not doing a service to RR. The continual bashing of certain members and the free reign of others is another point of contention, something that must get fixed. In this case, silence is approval.

RR should immediately remove duplicate content because it lowers the site's quality. Members who plagiarize are supposed to get their accounts terminated, so follow through with that, but don't allow a public criticism and let members believe it is a show of accountability. Member criticism does not make anyone accountable for plagiarism. There are proper channels to report plagiarism.

It's ironic that unemployment brought some writers here, some good writers, others who abused the system, and then ultimately the RR site itself uses a form of "layoffs" by cutting the "wages" in half. Just like a corporation, too, as it shifts the blame and allows it to cultivate venom in the community.

The RR admin cannot blame the revenue share program for this mess. The foundation was already crumbling when the Super Bowl spammer hit. The "get paid to post" has been on this site for a long time, so a sudden blame on it does not make sense and it subtly faults members who do use Adsense, when some of those members are very good writers with excellent intentions.

RR is still actively misleading both members and readers by this post under Google News on the home page:

The Google News feed is currently offline. The service should be back up shortly. However, Rants and Raves are still being accepted by Google News.

How can Rants and Raves still get accepted by Google News when the site has been suspended from it?

When admin is absent during times of crisis, exactly what is happening to this site right now, then it reflects poorly on the site as a whole. I'll refrain from further posting until the site enacts some uniform response and course of action, but until then I am not going to contribute to something that I disagree with on a whole at the moment. The site hypocrisy is too much right now. I have already wasted too much time here posting replies that fall on deaf ears.

I liked writing for RR because I thought it was unique. It allowed me a forum to write in a different style. I felt it was quality because of the Google News status. I do write online to earn money, but don't believe I contributed to the low quality that hurt the site. I want to write for a site that has a clear goal in mind. A site that I can trust. Right now, RR is not that site. Some people will read their own interpretation and think it's about money. But, it's not. It's about consistency, forward thinking website "owners" who foster healthy communities and amazing places to write. I hope RR improves that site.
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15 months ago: Re: low quality, etc.,

Low quality, are you suggesting that if you are not that inteligent you cannot take part in ranting or raving?
15 months ago: Oh heck no! Not at all. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

RR was approved for Google News but they recently lost that because of low quality posts, spam, and reasons unknown to anyone but admin. Here's what I meant. I hope it helps!

Google - who runs Google News, Google Adsense, the Google search engine - is making changes to their algorithm. Although Google has the biggest search engine (SE). Most RR traffic from organic SE results (searching in Google).

Google's SE ranking algorithm change is to filter low quality sites. When I say "low quality" I'm using more of an SEO definition: posts that are not original (plagiarism), content spinning (changing a slight amount of text), spam techniques like repeating the same phrase (keywords) for the purpose of bringing in traffic - it's called keyword stuffing/spamming, and using titles meant to bring traffic but do not follow through in its content. That is the writer doesn't follow through w/the content. It's another form of spam or low quality to Google.

from Google's Matt Cutts:
we recently launched a redesigned document-level classifier that makes it harder for spammy on-page content to rank highly. The new classifier is better at detecting spam on individual web pages, e.g., repeated spammy words—the sort of phrases you tend to see in junky, automated, self-promoting blog comments

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/g...

So, nope. I don't mean intellect at all. I mean low quality as defined by Google. The reason it's important is because RR needs to change "quality" guidelines. RantRave uses Google Adsense. So do some members. If Google penalizes RR then it penalizes all of us here using our Google Adsense ID sort of "guilt by association" for writers.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions.


15 months ago: In my humble opinion getting "paid to post" is what ruined this site.
15 months ago: You've been here since Dec 10, 2010.

You don't know any different that what you say, so I can see why you can buy that line.

But, if you look at these results by Alexa then you'll see that the attacks on certain members are unwarranted. Look at the traffic changes. Look at the top words.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rantrave.c...#

Yes, the words "get paid to post" are on there, but that is ONLY because RR has it on EVERY page of the RR website. That has nothing to do w/the fact that people do earn some money here.

What ruined the site was the lack of attention by admin, for whatever reasons. It allowed too many low quality pieces into Google's stream and they stopped it. If you read the above comment then I think you'll understand more.

Can you honestly tell me that you think the site is somehow suddenly better because they cut the rev share?

My whole point is that Alex Layton is laying blame on those who use Adsense here when it's misguided. It is not all of us. They are still letting the same thing get posted today. It's misdirection by RR.

I've written here longer than you. The only thing that means is that I saw the site change drastically. Newer people don't have an accurate view.

I don't mean that as a dig, Happy, I mean if you weren't here then you couldn't see how it changed. I think RR got caught and dinged by Google. Instead of owning up to it they blamed everyone who writes here and makes any money. It's a nice story to spin, but it's not accurate. RR got caught then retracted instead of being pro-active and upping the quality plus stopping the posts that are repetitive and do nothing but repeat current event words and unemployment.

I know it probably looks totally different to you since you've just seen the last few 2 months. I respect that.
15 months ago: Alex_, let's break it down...

Rantrave.com's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 63,098. Compared with the overall internet population, the site appeals more to users who browse from school and home; its audience also tends to consist of childless women aged under 25 and 35–55 who have incomes between $30,000 and $100,000 and have no postgraduate education. Visitors to this site view 1.6 unique pages each day on average. Rantrave.com is based in the US. About 79% of visits to this site are bounces (one pageview only).

Is that off the page in your link?

Do you fall into any of those classifications? No?
And you trust it?
15 months ago: Hey Alex_, you didn't add this important information that is also listed on your link page...

Ready Freddy????

Top Queries from Search Traffic
The top queries driving traffic to rantrave.com from search engines. Updated monthly.

Query Percent of Search Traffic
1 tier 5 unemployment extension 11.22%
2 tier 5 2.91%
3 unemployment tier 5 2.79%
4 rich dad poor dad scam 1.61%
5 chatroulette not working 1.57%
6 best ereader 1.57%
7 unemployment extension 1.46%
8 apple rumors 1.13%
9 tier 5 unemployment extension 2010 1.06%
10 get paid to post 1.02%

Now is that telling or what?
15 months ago: In the 8 plus weeks I have been a member of this site I have seen proven plagerized recipes and posts with blazing words for the 99ers. All in an effort to make a buck. There are some excellent writers on here but they get lost by the obvious "money seekers". I do not know why certain posts were allowed to continue but in my humble opinion they took this site down. The funny thing is they are still allowed to publish on here.
15 months ago: It's easier to just blame "The Cypress Gang" for the down fall of the site. You have not learned anything? Duh?
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15 months ago: The original "Pay Plan" was 50/50. RR went to the 100 percent in an attempt to grow the membership. Look what it got them. Alex_, you asked me in another post if I used Adsense. I answered, No but I have an adsense account. So what is your point?

The name is Rant/Rave Published Opinions. Not, Revenue/wRiters Adsense Google News Paychecks.

Your wearing your feelings on your sleeve. You have a problem with what others post? Then flag them. Get off that high horse thinking there is a group of members that are allowed to follow a different set of rules. I assure you I have had a large number of posts and comments deleted. I have been called every name in the book and have been threatened with physical injury. I do not flag those types of comments as I would rather let them stand for public scrutiny. I'm good at pushing peoples buttons. It's part of the game.
15 months ago: @Cypress

Apparently you can't see the site's discrepancy from under my horse.

Anyhow. You posted the info from the Alexa link - it was my intent that people looked at it since it showed the site changed. The search terms, etc. The fact the site changed and they didn't do anything is proof that the Google News thing should have been on their radar. I think they pulled in more money overall as the site inflated because of certain posts. I'm not looking at this from a narrow point of view or just spouting half knowledge about the terms that guide RR, and those terms are set by Google because no matter how much people put down others who use the Adsense program - RR is its promoter. I am not the greedy one - a site who mismanages things and is not transparent is a problem. Whether it's RR or other sites.

I never said it's the RR GN paychecks. I said that RR contradicts itself multiple times all over their site and I don't like it. That's what I'm saying. You saying that Google News was nothing to the site is totally absurd since it's the thing they pushed. You contradict yourself.

RR had time to notify those who do actually care about what they have on the site and they didn't. So, yeah, a violation of contractual law does not make me happy. If that's my heart on my sleeve, big deal. I am not misleading people.

Maybe you need to step down from your horse. I think all of your posts and comment deletions have gone to your head since it reads as though you presume the "problem w/others" is all about you. It's not. You are not the only one here ya know.


15 months ago: If I were Alex_, I could see this through his point of view, but since I'm not, I don't. I see this as a rocky time in the still formative stages of this website, and while there are clear inconsistencies, if the R&R staff make sweeping and decisive changes and enforce them totally, then I think they can get control of the rocky situation.

If there are half measures and half enforcements, then everything Alex_ complains about will matter, right now since things are so sloppy, they don't so much matter. Things usually start to matter over time, and then get worse from there, hence the need for quick and decisive action.

I think the debates/ arguments I've had over "the writing style that pays" were mostly concerned with the portion of writers who pimped words for clicks, but that was not all writers who had ad sense accounts. And, I do think it was the worst of these that did in R&R, and those were the ubiquitous, short posts copied on other sites. And some of these posts appear to be direct copies, which have been referenced as plagerism for ad clicks. So yes, there are gradations of writing that is driven for profit, and I think we all agree it was the worst of these that created the worst problems for R&R.

I would definitely like to see one major change, and that is a reduction in the overall percentage of 99er centric complaints to that of any other complaint, meaning the 99er issue isn't the alpha and omega of issues like those calling it a holocaust, and that indeed, it should not hijack this site/ quality. Sure, from time to time, there will be big issues that take up all the space, but that doesn't last but for a week or two, usually. The 99er issue has hogged this site for way too long, and it has taken up way too much space.

Maybe R&R can automatically send all posts with tags referencing the 99er issue to a specific heading titled "99er issues," so you only see them if you go to that link. That way, the 99er issue is made transparent to the rest of the R&R website population. If people don't like that, then one other option is to just chuck them into the trash bin, I suppose.
15 months ago: Great suggestion.

I think an auto hold is a good idea. There are a few words that need that. I know that our mod, Markbrn does his best but there's too much for one person.

RR will have to make some changes to the site if it wants to stick around. Alex Layton mentioned something about helping people get into the search engines or getting indexed, so I think that RR did fall victim to the overall "quality issues" and the sudden flood of "tier 5 now" etc., gives the appearance of weeks of spam.

Thanks for clarifying the bit about "writers who pimped words for clicks." Despite my writing an article about earning here, it was well-intentioned and meant to offer some type of hope to the people writing about their desperation and near homelessness - something I see now was just BS, by some, and meant for attention. They were just words to draw people in, not real questions about how to live and survive.

I don't take advantage of the G Adsense program. If RR is going to keep it then they have to overhaul things, taking into consideration points made in the post.

Time will tell.

15 months ago: If this is true it constitutes a breech of contract and I will have all of my content removed from this site and consider sueing for loss of income. I took three dated screen shots today that highlight the claim of 100% ad revenue, A shot of the current ad code and the blurb that says they are a google news provider. I live in a town full of law students.
15 months ago: I am glad that I am not the only one who gets it.
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15 months ago: Organic traffic is driven by search and content. People search for specific content and go where they find it. I am sure people searched for more than one type of content.

If some types of content were not bringing in visitors, then it can be assumed that there was little interest in that other content, by both writers and the searchers.

Some writers used their time writing successful articles that people came to read in large numbers and profited. Other writers wasted their time writing comments no one searched for.

Market forces created the successful writers and left the unsuccessful ones behind.

People complaining that there were too many unemployment articles, may have done better writing other content to draw other visitors.

One thing I find interesting is those really smart conservatives that talked about competition etc in the market place. They never figured out how to actually do it.

You cant compete in the comment section, you have write content, that is what people search for.
15 months ago: Mr. Logic is trying very hard these days to sound logical, but failing miserably: you are claiming quality is a market driven force, when in fact it is quantity that you are saying is quality -- that is, you are saying quality is obviously found in the spots with the greatest quantity. This is just plain stupid and you know it.

Quantity is only quality when you consider saved lives and saved other things we all care about, otherwise it never is. Saving smartygirl's reputation is just not worth it. It is not only wrong of you, but intentionally misleading to conflate quantity and quality. Perhaps even willful negligence -- the kind of screw up you plan.

You complain about conservatives: please tell me you're not a liberal: we have standards! You go shimmy up to TCG/ RSG/ Box and let them knee you a good one: they have standards.

14 months ago: You make a good point about search and content. To compete you have to write. Good articles get passed around via social bookmarking, another piece that drives traffic.

I do disagree some with this statement:
"Market forces created the successful writers and left the unsuccessful ones behind."

Here's why:
Successful writers are not always the best writers. The successful "real world" writers refuse to let manuscript rejection keep them from writing and submitting to publishers (JK Rowling is a superb example).
Writing online requires a certain set of skills semi-unrelated to the writing itself. Example - title choice. If someone cannot write a title announcing its content they will fail, whether it's quality work or not.

Learning some internet marketing skills is almost essential. I've read, studied, tried/failed, succeeded, etc., while learning how to find success writing online. Success is not defined by money either.

Google News was the #1 thing RR had going for it, esp for views.

RR was a slow crumble. It was NOT the fault of the writers, not even those accused of collapsing the site. A site with a strong infrastructure prevents and withstands most things that led to the final breaking of RR.

I think the quantity of unemployment articles hurt only because of their quality (some, not all). Fluff written for views and money. Some moderators didn't recognize it adding to behind the scenes RR problems. Allowing aggressive bully stuff didn't help matters much either. It's unfortunate.

It's really too bad. This site is a good example of a business that failed to maintain quality control and imploded.

I've not written here since they changed. So, I don't know if they've changed anything or not. I hope they have changed things for the better, of course.

14 months ago: Hey Alex.
i was looking for a way to contact you. wyldechef@nospam
14 months ago: Still trying to get ahold of Alex. Wyldechef@g m a i l
14 months ago: Shoot, sorry. Message me through my RR profile page (unless RR disabled it, mine was enabled). Apologies if you tried that and I missed it.
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14 months ago: Since the storyline has vanished you might as well have fun with this oldie.
Make sure to watch the video for a good laugh. Unless your one of them/those.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Go-Dodge-Br...
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14 months ago: My Gosh. What happened?! Take a few days off and everyone gets blanked.

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