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Why Do We Tolerate the Hate-Mongering Terry Jones?

Posted 25 months ago|24 comments|907 views
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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
With his latest stunt being deemed the "accidental discharge of a weapon" in the parking lot of WJBK (the FOXNews affiliate station in Detroit) just after completing an interview about his planned protest against Islamic Law scheduled to be held outside of the nation's largest mosque (source), Terry Jones has reached new heights in his hate mongering ways. Earlier this month, he and his members of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, FL put the Holy Qur'an on trial and burned a copy leading to a deadly riot in Afghanistan where a dozen people were killed. (source) [Note: there are conflicting stories as to how many were actually killed with as few as six and as many as 45 being reported by various news sites – no matter, because even one death is one too many.]

How long will this hate mongering lunatic be allowed to continue spreading his hate in a nation with freedom of religion? How long will he be allowed to spread his venomous views of a religion about which he obviously knows nothing? If he were on the same rampage toward Christianity would it be tolerated? These are incredibly volatile times with rapid and theoretically positive democratic changes throughout the Middle East where fledgling democracies could be born. The last thing the world needs right now is a religious zealot on some kind of personal, rage-fueled crusade. At what point does a person like this need to be locked up and held accountable for his crimes of ethnic intimidation and attempting to incite violence?


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25 months ago: You really think the F.B.I. is not infiltrating already? You really think the Justice / Treasury Departments are not digging for something? How long will we "tolerate"? How long will we "tolerate" the New Black Panther Party?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: Deleted myy comment because I figured I should do some research. I don't know enough about NBBP to say, other than that I didn't like what I read, and I don't know how long this group should be tolerated. I guess my short answer is that I don't think we should, in a free-thinking, democratic society, tolerate any organization or group who's objective is spreading hate, advocating for the superiority of one group of people over another be it racial, gender, or religion, or actively collecting money to use to do either of the aforementioned.
25 months ago: After reading your deleted comment I figured as much. I do have a copy on file.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Yep, we tolerate Louis Farrakhan, too. That's the beauty of freedom of speech. It gives you, as well, the right to say what you want. While I don't agree with much of what you say, I defend, to my last breath, your right to say it.

This article is guilty of the most blatant capitulation to terrorism, and is doing exactly what the bloodthirsty sub-humans who perpetrated those crimes against humanity wanted.
25 months ago: No kidding. I didn't want to bring up the topic of "How long will we tolerate" the burning of, pissing on and spreading excrement on the U.S. Flag. I guess CRR does not hold the opinion of that being a blatant spit in his eye. That is "Free Speech".
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: Ironically, I would not have ruled on this side that burning a flag is free speech. I don't know how that was ever justified. Burning something isn't speech. Neither are the other two activities you describe as such. They are actions that mean something. I have never been an advocate nor fan of turning parts of the Constitution that were designed to do one thing into stretches of the imagination to protect another. Our founders wanted a nation where citizens were free to protest agains the government without fear of reprisal. Protesting is one thing, burning things or destroying things is another. Writing an anti-government treatise is not the same thing as plotting damage, for another example.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Technically, it's been ruled and interpreted as freedom of expression. That's why porn, cursing, praying, exotic dancing, flag burning and other "art" forms are still legal.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: Which article to you mean? My post or the ones I quoted?
25 months ago: It seem sto be a clear enough statement to me...

the link for those that can't figure it out...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Why-Do-We-T...
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: Hold on a minute. There is a very big difference between a nation burning another's flag out of anger toward that nation's government, than a person advocating fear, loathing, and hatred toward another group of people.

Let's separate actions of a government and even a radical sect of a religion and its radically motivated, power-monger leadership, from the poor saps drawn into believing that these people see or know the light.

Freedom of Speech comes with lots of inherent caveats and always has. The point of freedom of speech, unless you don't agree with American History, was to prevent the government from squelching people who were criticizing it. It was never intended to be used as a catchall right for people to rely upon anything they had something ugly to say about each other, and I think you both know it.

I have no qualms with people's freedom of speech guarantee in the US Constitution. I have a problem with people who's sole motivation is to spread hate and incite violence. Terry Jones believes he was appointed by a higher power to be a crusader against Islam. And yet, Islam has / had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. There is no passage in the Qur'an that justifies attacks of any kind on other God-fearing people. So, if the 9/11 attackers and Osama bin Laden are muslims, and I don't know how we know if they are or are not because one cannot know what's in another man's heart, mind, and soul, they certainly weren't practicing their own religion and therefore there should be no justification to indict those who actually do. Anymore that all Catholics should be blamed for the deaths due to IRA bombings in London or all Christians after Timothy McVeigh's atrocity.
25 months ago: Let's start with number one of your list...

Who said anything about a nation burning another nations flag?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: Sorry, you said spreading excrement, and I said burning. Either way, to me that is not free speech. It is an action, and a demonstrable one. I do not believe the authors of the Constitution would have considered this a protected form of self-expression. If you don't like America and the American flag, or the government, you don't change it by setting the flag that protects you on fire. You do so by getting an education and running for office, or building a business so you have money to contributed to the process of change, or writing powerful editorials for the nation's free press.
25 months ago: CR,

Do you even know what sparked Terry Jones' actions? Maybe when you find out you will not tolerate the US military...

(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: The truth is that you didn't copy the second paragraph.


"The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said." (your same article source)

Interestingly enough Military Rules Forbid Proselytizing. Your quotation tends to make the reader think that Bibles were taken and burned by muslims. Got news for you, but muslims would not advocate the burning of Bibles. It also might suprise you to learn that Qur'an must be burned if they deviate from the exact original words by as much as speck of dust in the margin.

Let's all get on the same page. Let's call hate crimes what they are. Let's call hate what it is. And let's make a decision, Christians, as to where our reference point is going to be. If it's going to be in the life of Christ, to my knowledge, He never exhibited hate toward anyone including his fiercest enemy and betrayer. Now if you want to read the Old Testament as literal, there's plenty of hate, murder, killing, and humiliation to go around.

Eventually, some of this will have to be reconciled in a logical fashion and double standards dissolved.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: I'd also like to add...if this is what sparked Terry Jones to action, at whom should his actions be directed? Muslims? Islam? The Prophet Muhammad? The US Military that made the rule to protect US troops?
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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25 months ago: "Holy Virgin Mary drew the most attention from onlookers. The painting is a depiction of the Virgin Mary as a black woman and is splattered with elephant dung. Mayor Giuliani called the art exhibit "anti-Catholic," and because the Brooklyn Museum of Art receives funding each year from the city of New York."

"At the same time as the Holy Virgin Mary protests, a group of people thought it would be fun to create a painting called Jesus Rising #4, which eventually drew more attention than the cast of Friends showing up at your birthday party. Stories of peeps protesting because Jesus Rising #4 wasn't "anti-christian" enough, soon made their way around the 'net. Non-Christians, offended by the Christian religion, were said to have marched in front of New York's Whitney Museum with signs that read, "Where's the Feces?" and "Blasphemy Now!" Some suggested that the painting be smeared with blood, while others were happy to see any bodily fluid incorporated into the work of art in protest of the Christian religion itself."


Read more: Religious Art | New York City | Brooklyn Museum of Art | Holy Virgin Mary | Controversial http://www.kidzworld.com/article/2648-ar...

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=23...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ


Are we about to outlaw all religious intolerance? It's going to be a long road.
25 months ago: The difference between burning a Bible and a Koran is... the difference between protesting the sale of furs at a seniors club, and the sale of leather at a Hell's Angels hang-out! It is easier to protest against someone who will turn the other cheek... than it is to protest someone who will cut off your head.
25 months ago: Sad but true.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
25 months ago: TB,
I am so curious as to the version of the Bible you read. Do you specifically disavow the Old Testament? Between Leviticus and Revelations, there is more death, murder, swallowing up of whole towns, and sacrifice of virgins, women, and children, than Friday the 13th on playback loop for a decade. I am no expert on Islam, but I can assure you there is no call more for murder than in the Bible. I don't mind if people don't talk about things they don't seem to know anything about. I, for one, have read both the Qur'an and the Bible, and I'm growing impatient with people who have an opinion on Islam or the Qur'an, and haven't studied it or read it. I do apologize if you have done both, but it is difficult to see how you could have and still maintain these opinions. I apologize in advance if I am inadvertently categorizing you with the other 99.9% of North Americans who get their lump sum knowledge about Islam from sources other than the source itself. To me it would be like indicting all Christians and the Bible based on the actions of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Jones or the entire Irish Republican Army or the Christian Crusaders or the Pedophile Priests that seem to inhabit every corner of the earth. I am hoping you will concede that there are very good and very bad practitioners of ALL religions. They are a fringe element. Yet, when you make a crass comment like the one you did in this comment about the burning of Holy Books, you betray something – not sure what. I really don't see the harm in you studying Islam and learning about the Qur'an and it's history, and I'm not talking about studying anti-Islamic sites filled with half truths and venom. I could use the analogous sites to study Christianity, which I think you would agree, would not give me the picture of Christianity you hold. I'm talking about going to the book store and buying a Qur'an and actually reading it. Then we can have a more open dialogue.
25 months ago: CR,

My comment was if you were to condemn the Military for burning Bibles... do a google search and see how many Muslims burn Bibles... here is a few...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2010/09...

...I am hoping you can do this research on your own... this is your post, it is up to you to get both sides. I was just letting you know there is more to this than what meets the eye.. and Terry Jones is just making people aware of it... it is not "hate" ...it is education. NOT the way I would do it, but it is exposing the true "HATE" that Islam is spreading.
25 months ago: CR,

AS to the Old Testament it is history, good, bad, and ugly... as to God's wrath, you haven't seen anything yet! Most people don't understand that the OT (Old Testament) is a shadow of things to come... the punishments therein are not even to be compared to the ones coming. ALL payment for any sin by anyone is laid on Jesus Christ, and is available for the sincere repentant soul... but it is not forced on anyone, so if people would rather go to judgement before Almighty God without a Savior, so be it. Again the punishments form the OT are small in comparison to the Lake of Fire that is described in the Bible.

INTERESTING though, the people that say the Bible is a fake or fairytale... curse the Bible for the "facts" of God's "brutality" ...if the Bible is a fraud, then all those atrocities are merely a myth too... Why condemn the Bible if it is all made up? Why not let the Christians and the Jews have their religion and you can have yours? YOU see, the world does hold to a belief in the Bible... but they don't want it to be true, nor do they want to be accountable to such an awesome GOD.

"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
(Revelation 20:11-15)
25 months ago: CR,

As to judging the followers... the followers of the Koran must follow it's edicts, and kill infidels period.
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.htm...

...the followers of the New Testament must follow the words of Jesus Christ...

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
(Matthew 28:19-20)

IF you follow not Mohamed you are not a Muslim, because you have denied the Islam faith... IF you follow not Jesus Christ you are not a Christian, because you have denied the Christian faith. Is that simple enough?
25 months ago: Islam and Christianity are night and day religions if you look at their founders versus their followers.

There are many Muslims who are not terrorists, but loving and compassionate people. Just like there are many so-called Christians who are lying, despicable, fornicating rats.

The proof is in the pudding however. When you look at the sacred texts of the two groups there are stunning differences. Their is no concept of a loving God in the Koran. Allah is always ticked off. There is no provision or promise of mercy or forgiveness in this life.

The Christian New Testament however is filled with forgiveness, mercy, love and compassion. Yes, there is a Day of Judgement and condemnation, however that's going to be God's doing, not man's. Christian are to be salt and light in the earth. A preservative not a murderous cancer.

There is not now nor ever was there a Christian, biblical justification for any atrocity that has been committed in that name. Be it the Inquisition, slavery, the Klan, Westboro, bombing an abortion clinic or any other abhorrent group, behavior or institution -- there is no way Jesus Christ would justify any of that. We unfortunately cannot say the same for the teachings of Islam.

Two totally different worldviews, two totally different motivations, two totally different God's who are to be worshipped.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
25 months ago:
"How long will he be allowed to spread his venomous views of a religion about which he obviously knows nothing?"
I suppose until the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is either repealed or "interpreted" out of existence. Give the left, the "living document" folks enough time and they will doubtless effect one or the other - my money is on the latter.

"If he were on the same rampage toward Christianity would it be tolerated?"
In THIS nation at THIS time? I would be surprised if anyone who did not actually witness the "rampage" would even know about it. The Lame Stream Media would not carry the story. And if the story DID somehow get out then he would most likely be LAUDED for his actions. PLUS I suspect CR and Altruist and a host of others would be writing or commenting on pieces here that lauded those actions. Tell me I'm wrong, Al, CR. Tell me that if someone were to get up in public and rant and rage about the "evils" of Christianity you would not applaud the person for their "valuable public service.

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