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What's So Great About the Constitution?

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You hear it all the time. Is blah blah constitutional or unconstitutional? Which interpretation (originalist, Living Constitution, post-structuralist, forest metal) did such and such a judge uses in their ruling about blah? All this back and forth tends to make give discussion of the U.S. Constitution a religious tone. An Anglican and a Catholic can get into a real intense discussion about whether the communion host is ACTUALLY the body of Christ, or whether it's a metaphor, but this disagreement, as serious as it seems, obscures what is shared by the Anglican and the Catholic: they both agree that George Washington is the son of God, and we return in 2012 to judge the Republicraps and the Demican'ts.

What would happen if we gathered our best minds, from all over the political spectrum, to hash it out and produce a document of compromise, as our "Founding Fathers" had the courage to do? I know there are people in our nation who are capable of this, maybe even some who have made a go of it, but none of these hypothetical groups have been granted the legitimacy of the State.

Why is this?

I was at a coffee shop a while back, and some Conservative Libertarians (not to be confused with true libertarians, also known as anarchists) were passing out pocket copies of the Constitution. I accepted one, not wishing to be rude, but at the same time wondering when the last time I had bothered to READ the thing. Of course it's a brilliant artifact of its time, the height of Enlightenment era political philosophy. It's implementation meant the end of feudalism and the rise of the bourgeoisie. Truly a step in the right direction. History is AWESOME!

The introduction to the pamphlet was written by a conservative thinker, and it mentioned something about the "social contract" which gives legitimacy for the State to rule over its citizens.

"I don't recall signing any contract with the State," I commented to the vigorous young woman who seemed to be the leader of this cadre.

She looked at me with the clear eyed assuredness of a true believer.

"It's not a contract that you actually sign. You implicitly agree to it by not revolting against it."

Oh, one of those kinds of contracts. Wait, WHAT kind of contract? Is there any other example of a contract that you have always-already signed, just by being born in a certain place? And do we actually have to REVOLT to get the terms and conditions of the contract changed to reflect the RADICALLY futuristic world we live in?

Maybe we're so attached to our founding document because, well, it was the first of its kind. Sort of had all the other nations scrambling to catch up, and we would let them down if we just canned it.

I understand this attitude. What we need here is evidence that a traditional, religious republic, (like our own) can successfully draft a new constitution that is better than their old one.

Let's see...it has to be new enough to be relevant, yet have lasted long enough to prove itself. Hey, that exactly describes ME! So I'll just type in my birth year and the word "constitution" into the googler and see what pops up.

Here's one! "It is the duty of the government to furnish all citizens with equal and appropriate opportunities, to provide them with work, and to satisfy their essential needs, so that the course of their progress may be assured." Hmmm...sounds good to me, but I'm a commie! This would never fly in our conservative fatherland! Wait, there's more...the name of the country is "Land of the Aryans." I think certain tea partiers would dig that! Also it's been civilized longer than almost anywhere! Conservatives love civilization and all the goodies it has brought us!

Can we do as well as Iran in providing for our citizens? I think so. You know what? I think we can do EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!!!
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markbyrn
markbyrn
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26 months ago: ...Of course it's a brilliant artifact of its time, the height of Enlightenment era political philosophy...History is AWESOME!...

Regarding your metaphor, you seem to imply that the Constitution is a static document that's written in stone similar to a Holy Bible. I hope you realize that the Constitution has been amended 27 times, the last time being in 1992.

If you think it's a grand idea to rewrite it, submit an Amended Constitution to your Congressional Representative and off it goes to get passed in the Congress, and than on the States. In fact, why don't you post it here and I'll proof it for you.

Perhaps my intuition is faulty, but you seem to have the tone of a transcendentalist dreamer - do you think James Cameron can just bring in the Na'vi and restore us to a pre-industrial eco-green tribal paradise, or perhaps we should pray to Pat Robertson to have Jesus bring in the Kingdom. Speaking of Jesus, he was a commie too and look what it got him. Be practical.
26 months ago: real quickly:

I don't think the constitution is written in stone, though some regard it as such. It IS revered as something sacred, which reinforces the idea that we could never possibly come up with something so perfect and therefore shouldn't try. It's true that the constitution has been amended, but this has not changed it's primary focus on things like property rights, and the lack of any requirement for the State to provide essential services to its citizens. The amendments can only go so far, and since we're dealing with LAWYERS loopholes are always found that distort the spirit of the law. Witness the egregious use of the slave-freeing 14th amendment being used to grant personhood to corporations, and then the FIRST AMENDMENT, perhaps the most important, being used to grant these corporate "persons" the ability to buy off legislators even more openly than before.

Of course I know that I am not personally qualified to write a new constitution, and if I did it would not be implemented because I have no way to enforce it. Be practical!

Who's appealing to transcendent truth? What group of white men talked about a Creator who endows inalienable rights onto men? That's transcendence. The Truth, in this formulation, comes from Outside. Even though they use that language in the Declaration, their whole project has this logic.

By the way, Avatar is a beautiful movie but in the end it's a lot like what the Green Wing of the Nazi party was spouting.

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ..I don't think the constitution is written in stone, though some regard it as such. It IS revered as something sacred..

I can agree with that. For example, there are religious zealots who believe the King James Bible is secreted embedded in the Constitution. On the other hand, there are hard-bitten ideologues who believe the Constitution is 'evil scripture' and want to replace it with their own idealistic 'scripture'.

But pointing out these extremes doesn't mean we need to throw out the baby and start from scratch - what's wrong with merely changing it's soiled diapers? Or more positively, isn't it easier to swallow a juicy strip of Filet Mignon rather than swallow the entire cow?

Being the party pooper pragmatist that I am, where is the game plan for your grandiose vision? Even if you get some other people to do the hard word of actually producing a new draft of the Constitution, do you envision that the ideas contained in this new Constitution will resonate with the vast unwashed masses? Or will this draft Constitution simply be the product of a ideologically iconoclast who intends to impose this Constitution by some kind of royal fiat?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
26 months ago: Great piece Gary. I think it captures my objections to Justice Antonin Scalia's Originalist interpretations of the Constitution. You are right they seem to have a reverential almost religious belief that the framers of the Constitution were all seeing and all knowing and could anticipate any problem any time in the future.

I think the real reason is that they pine for those golden times (in their minds) when a man was king of his castle, a woman knew her place (in the kitchen, in bed or having babies) and the worth of minorities was only a fraction of a white man.

They fail to remember that there was a lot of conflict and dissent among the Constitutional Congress, and among the 13 states that ratified it.

I think that if we were to start afresh today, picking and choosing from the best of the world's constitutions, throughout time, that we could improve on our existing Constitution, and maybe this time women would have a say in it.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
26 months ago: You are making it more complicated than it is.

There are two Constitutions, the original/organic and the color of law Corporate constitution that we have today.

The original has been hidden from the people, the Corporate has been changed and is being used in the states.

You can google it and find that there are two.

But what is important is that the Federal Constitution does not belong in and should not be used in the states.

The Federal is for admiralty or International law.

The only law that should be used on land and in the states is the common law.

The courts of today are run under admiralty law, which is un-constitutional in the states

It is that simple. Why complicate it???

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am.

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26 months ago: Just curious...what would you change Gary.
26 months ago: Harshaw: Firstly, a redefinition of what the function of government should be. The current constitution is pretty laissez-faire, that is it limits how the government could interfere with private enterprise, which (I'm not being sarcastic here) was a big improvement in the time of absolute monarchy who saw its power threatened by the merchant class. But now, it is precisely this private enterprise which is the engine of tyranny and the obstacle to TRUE freedom for the non-propertied classes. I think that a new constitution should have some POSITIVE responsibilities of government, like some minimum guarantee of the necessities of life, as outlined in just about every other industrialized nation's constitution.

Specifically, there should be a way for other political parties besides the two who currently share power. I think some way to have elections where, for instance, if the Libertarian Party gets 20% of the votes in a given district, they should have a certain percentage of the seats in the legislature. As it currently stands, winner takes all and if you vote for a losing candidate YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT. I think more of a parliamentary system would mean greater representation of all the people, instead of having to find ways to split them into 2 warring factions.
26 months ago: Markbyrn: I don't think it's actually pragmatic to expect huge game-changing ideas to spring fully formed from one dude on RantRave, and there is nothing in my rant that claims this is my project.

I feel slightly silly having to quote from the second paragraph of a short article which seems to have been overlooked in your pragmatic, practical, rational analysis:

"What would happen if we gathered our best minds, from all over the political spectrum, to hash it out and produce a document of compromise, as our 'Founding Fathers' had the courage to do? I know there are people in our nation who are capable of this, maybe even some who have made a go of it, but none of these hypothetical groups have been granted the legitimacy of the State."

This is not a job for one person with one opinion, that's the whole point. Really this post is an attempt to ask: "Why is a new U.S. constitution never even considered?"

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: "Why is a new U.S. constitution never even considered?"

Leading question - of course it's been considered as recent as 2008, and at the highest levels - see:

http://tinyurl.com/yzkuoo6

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: The thing, as you stated, is that the Constitution was more of an instrument to limit the power and role of government, because as free men, they wanted full responsibility of and for themselves. Too me, it's a shame that we have become as http://tinyurl.com/8gvsaj as we have.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: Hey, guess that's one way to avoid the censor but let's see if pussified is on the list.
26 months ago: Well, that's fine if A) our country were comprised solely of enterprising energetic able-bodied sane intelligent people the labor of whom was useful and universally valued and able to find a market; or B) all the people who don't fit the above criteria were somehow disposed of.

It's clear that A is untrue, and thankfully B is too much for most people, so we need to look at...C.

Let's be clear, although it's been stated a thousand times: the writers of the Constitution were white propertied males whose primary goal was protecting their own interests, and this is reflected in the document.

For all citizens to be fully responsible of and for themselves, they have to be able to make the decisions that determine the course of their own lives. Otherwise the only "free men" are the ones who make the rules.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: "Let's be clear, although it's been stated a thousand times: the writers of the Constitution were white propertied males whose primary goal was protecting their own interests, and this is reflected in the document."

Insert "and those of everyone else".

Give one example of how the constitution is worded to oppress anyone, or prevent any citizen from realizing his own self-determined potential.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: I'm assuming you are an anarchist, and not a communist, as communism treats everyone as a member of the hive, and personal freedom, outside the freedom dictated by the overlords, is a crime.
26 months ago: Out of the Box:

It's not what is in the text, it's what is left out.

If you believe your potential is self-determined, you're deluding yourself. Your potential is completely conditioned by factors outside of your control, like what your talents are, who is willing to hire you, what physical or mental limitations you have, where you were born, who you're parents were, where you went to school, who you know, etc. If you are lucky enough to have some control over your life, it's just that: luck.

If you have freedom of speech, does that mean anyone's going to listen or take into account your opinion? NO

If you have the right to elect representatives, does that mean they have to protect your interests? NO

That's because the American "Revolution" kept in place the social and economic conditions of the colonies. The "Founding Fathers" were RICH, and while I don't have the power to read their long-dead minds as many seem to, I conclude based on the results of their revolt that they just wanted all the money being made by the rape of the continent to line THEIR pockets instead of the limeys. This was the age of colonialism, and our founders colonized themselves.

Look at what the Iranians have! They're the IRANIANS, considered by many (including me) to be an extremely repressive regime! And yet they guarantee work and essential needs in their constitution!

Listen, I'm not arguing for more government. I really want less power for those who exploit the workers, who keep the workers hungry and confused and thereby willing to work more and more for less and less pay. I want less power for those who manufacture our increasingly strange and insatiable desires just so they can sell us their products.

It breaks my heart to see honest working folks seduced by the Tea Party half-truths, begging "Give us our country back!"

I got news for you: if you are an honest working person from an honest working family, it was never your country to begin with.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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26 months ago: "Listen, I'm not arguing for more government. I really want less power for those who exploit the workers, who keep the workers hungry and confused"

How can this be? You must infringe on one man's freedom to give something that doesn't belong to you to another. What you are saying is that you'd rather be exploited, as in the case of Iran, by the government, than by some rich hoity toity. At least now there is no law that says I have to work for one of them, and I am free to use the to the best of my ability, because I choose to do so.

Class envy is as ugly as any other kind of envy.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
26 months ago: I think that many if not most of the right, including libertarians, the Tea party folk, and most Republicans have this fantasy that they can live totally free of any government interference. They resent that interference, they hate taxes, and they hate unions.

Unfortunately most folk don't have 40 acres and a mule. They need water, sewer, roads, civil authorities to uphold laws, schools, firemen and many of the other benefits of civil society. They need government and they need to pay taxes for all of the basic necessities of life.

They also need to make a living so they need to make a living. Something like 3/4ths of people hate their jobs and for eight hours a day become indentured servants to someone else. Unions are the only things that have made their servitude bearable.

For some reason the right has bought hook line and sinker all of the propaganda fed to them by their corporate masters that has convinced them to oppose everything that makes their lives easier for them.

Instead they have been convinced that the rich deserve even more tax breaks and that the regulations that limit the power of the corporations and the rich are evil and bad. That is the power of money, and now that the Supreme court has removed the last remaining restraints on corporate power to buy "our" representatives, we have lost the last semblance of democracy.

The framers of the Constitution had no idea that one day we might have things like computers or even communication devices that would enable everyone in the country to participate in direct democracy. I think this technology would justify a new constitution that would eliminate all monetary advantages and lead to direct democracy. Of course that would require a much higher educated populace. Perhaps a meritocracy would be better than a pure democracy. You should be able to demonstrate a basic understanding of a subject before you could vote on it.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: Yeah, those unions really made your life more free. You work when they tell you to, and you strike when they tell you to. You are happy with your circumstances when they say you are happy. And all the while, the union bosses get filthy rich from the dues you pay every paycheck. Who is buying the propaganda?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: "I think that many if not most of the right, including libertarians, the Tea party folk, and most Republicans have this fantasy that they can live totally free of any government interference"

You should be clear that they just want freedom from government interference they don't like...just ask them about abortion and gay marriage and you will find plenty that quite literally beg for government interference.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
26 months ago:
The constitution expresses the sentiments of every person wanting to be free to live a fulfilling life. It gives law it's proper place as a writ to prevent harm and enforce good. These concepts need not be abstract. They are at the center of all we do. This is why the constitution works.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: I personally don't want my life made easier for me. It's not who I am. How many people would have tried to climb Mt. Everest if it was bulldozed down to the size of anthill? What would have been the point?

People rankle over the garb that some Arab women are forced to wear, because they say it stifles the woman's freedom, but when you think about it, isn't it just a great equalizer, giving all women an equal opportunity to be attractive to men? That is what communism is to me.
26 months ago: That is what communism is to you? No. That is what you've been taught to believe about communism by the propaganda machine.

Since you "personally" don't want your life made easier for you, that means that no one gets to say that the current system isn't working for them, and fight to change it? Whose limiting who's freedom here?

Listen, communism isn't just about Marx, the Soviet Union, and China. Marx was the greatest theorist of CAPITALISM (that is, his analysis of it was most clear eyed) and he saw the contradictions inherent in capitalism that lead to the coexistence of scarcity and surplus, the need for endless expansion, the exploitation of labor, and periodic crises like the one we're in now.

Communism is actually a very ancient idea, practiced by traditional cultures since time out of mind. The main tenets of "pure communism" is that our most valuable resources (water, food, education, etc.) which are common to begin with, stay common and are not stolen by a ruthless individual who is only out for himself. Capitalism has made us all into this ruthless individual, whether we really are or not.

The Soviets tried to make the leap from feudalism directly to communism, and misinterpreted Marx's idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat. They were also inspired by AMERICAN ideas of industrial production such as Fordism, and tried to replicate them as much as possible. They never really got past the dictatorship part and never achieved communism, partly because they were trying to compete on a global economic scale where there is only ONE market: the capitalist one. So the Soviet Union were really just authoritarian capitalists who used communist rhetoric. Maybe they did really want to achieve the freedom of communism for their people, but their distrust of the peasantry and naive application of dialectical materialism pushed this goal further into the future.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: "that means that no one gets to say that the current system isn't working for them, and fight to change it? Whose limiting who's freedom here?"

No, you have the right to say what you want. I have the right to oppose you. With communism, I would no longer have that right.

Pure communism, would indeed include keeping the resources free for all to use.

Water, air, land, but definitely not food. Food nowadays is a product of human labor, not a natural resource. In order to have labor, you have to have laborers.

I want my job in the new communist order to be sitting around thinking of new ways to make things better, not out in some field growing food for someone else to eat. Now, who can we force to work in the fields? Who can we force to spin cloth, and sew up our clothes? Who can we force to handle our sewage? I'm sure in our new utopia, people will be volunteering to clean up the roadkill. Wait!
There won't be any roadkill, cause there won't be any roads. Won't be any cars, for that matter, or any gasoline to put in them. We'll all be free to pick us out a spot on the stream, and wash up in the filth from the other communists who are upstream.
26 months ago: Out Of The Box:

If I have the right to "say" what I want, but my opinion is not considered by the ones who make the decisions, this is a pretty empty freedom.

If you happen to "say" something that perfectly aligns with what the power elite wants you to think, (for instance, "communism=totalitarianism=forced labor) then this is also an empty freedom, because really it's just obedience.

There's all kinds of ways of defining or imagining communism, and I don't understand which one you are using. It's certainly not my definition of communism. Anyway, I'm really just using the word communism as shorthand for communal ownership of common resources. It's a loaded word, but I can't think of a better one.

What I really want is local control of local concerns. I would want these local concerns to be decided by consensus, that is, everyone would have to agree voluntarily for something to be implemented. People would not be "forced" to agree, but they might feel compelled to if they want anything to get done. This isn't perfect freedom, but neither is a system whose only chance at political involvement is choosing one of two bad options.

Local governance. Isn't that a conservative proposition? Or, more precisely, something that lower class white people want which the conservative plutocrats have used to get them to vote against their class interests?

"Soviet" is Russian for "local council." Commune is the French equivalent. If you have anything to say to me, respond to what I've said instead of some vague cold war-era distortion of what communism is.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: Ah, I didn't realize you weren't using the common definition of communism. The pure communist form, in which there are no classes, no representatives, and every person gets to actively participate in the decision making process concerning everything that affects them would only work on a very local level, which would mean abolishing all countries' governments worldwide, and giving frontal lobotomies to every man woman and child. It is human nature to covet that which his neighbor has, and then try to take it. That is why the individual states banded together in the first place, to protect themselves from people who wanted their stuff.


I'd lie to see a world in which governance is managed on the extremely local level, namely, me in charge of myself. But that would never work in the real world, any more than a local governance would work. Even if held together by a ruling class, these local governments, whoops, there goes the class thing again.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: Freudian slip? I'll have to cross examine myself. The second paragraph should have begun with "I'd like to..."
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
26 months ago: The ten major points of the Communist Manifesto"

* Abolition of Private Property.
* Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
* Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
* Confiscation of Property Rights.
* Central Bank.
* Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation.
* Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
* Government Control of Labor.
* Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
* Government Control of Education.

Now, if you are talking about Marxist communism, whose virtues you extolled above, then we have been on the same page, and I am against eight of the ten.


If you are talking about the communism as practiced by Native Americans, as you implied later, then we can agree.
26 months ago: I dig your reasonableness and use of evidence!

Also you nailed the heart of the argument - are humans naturally covetous, or can they live together in relative harmony?

This is an age old question and it won't be answered on rantrave. However -

Emerging anthropology provides evidence that pre-civilized society was more egalitarian and lived among more material abundance than was previously thought. Many modern uncivilized societies have strong prohibitions, enforced through social relationships, against things like accumulating surplus that you don't need, or using an item given as a gift to trade for something else, instead of freely giving a gift back or passing the gift on to someone else. That is, the preconditions for something like capitalism to develop were banished. This is not to say that they knew what surplus would lead to, but it is evidence that many social groups have to be FORCED to accept the idea of private property, that in fact it is not just a natural development of human nature. Actually, it is a crime, the founding crime of the ruling order.

So, if we can tell, with 20/20 hindsight, that private property was a bad move, does that mean we can just go back to the land and live like our ancestors? No, because the land, and our own nature, has been destroyed by the rule of capital.

Then the question becomes, how do we from the rule of the merchant class to the rule of the people as a whole? This is a very hard question, and nothing ever seems to work out the way people (including Marx) think. But for Marx all the points you list were a means to an end, the end being the eventual dissolution of the state and pure, abundant, free communism.

The point is that we CAN'T know ahead of time what communism will look like, it will emerge through our experimentation with each other.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: It seems the argument always boils down to the nature of man.
In some circumstances man is able to be compassionate, self sacrificing, generous.
In others, ruthless.
It would seem that some would, who argue for the basic goodness of man, say that his departure into craven self interest is a result of a "system"...or "bad thinking". Capitalism makes men evil.
But if one takes the "basic goodness" as an a priori, whence these evil ideas of capitalism? Did they not spring from the very mind that is assumed good?
Oh, you say, it is religion and its myths of reward and retribution... particularly christian religion which describes man's natural state as "fallen" ...that causes him to struggle under guilt and raise himself, and therfore his esteem, to a bearable psychic level...
"If I am rich, I am blessed and loved by the imaginary sky daddy". But if the whole sky daddy premise is false, whence its origins?
It therefore, must be an evil construct yielding the evil results of self determination and liberty to give, share...or withhold according to the conscience.
(Make no mistake, those who would seek to make the christian god into a "share or else" figurehead that threatens every child with damnation if they be found having two marbles while one remains somewhere in the world with none.
That never has been the gospel, giving under compulsion, rather than by revelation, does no more for the soul than obeying the IRS and shouting "I give to support my neighbor with government cheese, see!")
But that aside...
So, man is basically good...except those that promulgate the notion that man is basically evil and self centered.
And they get this notion from an imaginary god...
Again, if the god is imaginary, the evil defect must be in the men that promulgate it themselves...
But I thought we concluded men are basically good?

Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: (cont)
So, as is being revealed to those who know the Lord, the expediency of somehow removing the cancerous offshoot of the god believers will allow man (once they are removed) to be free in his naturally good sate to pursue his natural evolution and apotheosis to perfection. (pardon the redundancy)
All men are basically good...except those who do not believe that.

The truth is the christian concept of good and evil is not as the world understands.
God is good. Evil is what is not like God.
Only the perfect is...well...perfect.
Evil does not necessarily mean child molesting, neighbor slaying, bingo cheating depravity as may normally be considered.
It can mean tax paying, job keeping, lawn mowing, church going, tithe giving, bible quoting, suit wearing, abortion opposing religious, etc. You get the drift.
Yes, some say, I'll go along with the American Indian concept of communism...and as long as one kept his focus no further than the edge of the tribe...it probably looked wonderful.
But where did those raiding parties come from in this paradise?
Whence the ruthless plunder and rape?
Evil white men?
The preacher?
We won't even talk about the Aztec's in their nobility.
Nope, when you speak to the christian and say something is good...it is not a relative term...Good is what God is. No darkness, nor shadow of turning.
Men may at best have shades, but their very existence is proof of their having fallen from the perfect.
Even the very palest and lightest shade is as the bleakest darkness in the light of God.
So, relatively good man (who is actually quite evil) will continue his parade, never knowing who the grand master is of this march into oblivion.

26 months ago: Humans are not either bad or good, they are both. Let's define our terms: "bad" is when you exploit another human or group of humans for your own material gain. "Good" is anything you might do that is not bad, and does not support the badness of someone else.

The problem now is that we have a system that REWARDS bad behavior, and bad people climb to the top of the hierarchy, and if any of us at the bottom want to be more successful, we had better start being bad too.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: If anything the system has plenty of safeguards and legal devices for punishing bad behavior...
Just enforce equally what is already "on the books".
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
26 months ago: If we do as the right wants and eliminate all parts of the federal Government except the Military and get back to true local control than we are back to tribalism, which is what we have now in Afghanistan.

In my opinion our political system, our economic system, and our goveernment should be oriented not towards wealth or power, but towards happiness.

Material wealth is not necessary for happiness after the basic necessities. In fact after a certain amount is acquired material wealth is detrimental to happiness, unless that wealth is used to help others.

We should adopt the happiness quotient and as Bhuton does, orient all of our laws, and yes the Constitution, to maximize that. We should also look to the happiest countries in the world like the Netherlands to see what it is that makes people happy.

I suspect when you study those communities that are happiest they will give as the reasons something very similar to Roosevelt's four freedoms: The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want -- which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear -- which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor-- anywhere in the world.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: From an article I enjoyed in Nat Geo.
I neither endorse nor disdain their way of life (who would I be to do that anyway)
Nevertheless, an interesting read:


They grow no food, raise no livestock, and live without rules or calendars. They are living a hunter-gatherer existence that is little changed from 10,000 years ago. What do
they know that we've forgotten?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/1...

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