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Welfare: A White Secret... But A Black Stereotype!

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"...white folks have been gobbling up the welfare budget while blaming someone else. But it's worse than that. If we look at Social Security, which is another form of welfare, although it is often mistaken for an individual insurance program, then whites are the ones who are crowding the trough. We receive almost twice as much per capita, for an aggregate advantage to our race of $10 billion a year -- much more than the $3.9 billion advantage African Americans gain from their disproportionate share of welfare."
http://www.afroarticles.com/article-dash...

"Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollar... SAY the word "welfare" and immediately the image of the lazy Black wellare queen who breeds for profit surfaces in the minds of those who have come to believe the hideous stereotype. It is a myth that persists despite government figures and authoritative studies showing that Whites overwhelmingly reap the lion's share of the dole."
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/wh...

So what are we talking........ Welfare Barbie?

Looks like. Some like to play the blame game when it comes to the state of our nations and their systems that deal with the "dead-beats" ...others just do the math and call it like it is! The bottom line is that whites use up most of the support money out there, and will for the near future. Some could say that whites are still being preferred, be it on the corporate or homeless scene... racism is still at the heart of the blame game.

When whites mention black welfare they do it out of ignorance or sheer stupidity... exposing ones credulity in stereotyping blacks, exposes ones underlying hatred. IF one can pull a "black" card on the "welfare game" they do so with slight of hand, and should take up illusion rather than education... but to seek answers as to where nations have found themselves today, it leads only to the makers of the money we are fighting over!

"19 Reasons Why The Federal Reserve Is At The Heart Of Our Economic Problems..."
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...

IF you want to blame someone for the state of welfare and the collapse of an economy, look no further than the makers of that same Fiat Money...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx16a72j_...

Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

While rulers of our nations would have us point our fingers at the color of ones skin,
they do so only to take our eyes off the color of their hearts!
UPDATE - 37 months ago
"Nearly Half of U.S. Lives in Household Receiving Government Benefit...
Families were more dependent on government programs than ever last year.
Nearly half, 48.5%, of the population lived in a household that received some type of government benefit in the first quarter of 2010, according to Census data. Those numbers have risen since the middle of the recession when 44.4% lived households receiving benefits in the third quarter of 2008."
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/0...%29
UPDATE - 31 months ago
John Piper - "Don't waste your life"
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
37 months ago: During the 55 years that I have been paying into Social Security I have never collected any welfare and only two weeks of unemployment. I don't consider Social Security as Welfare. It is a pension system that I have invested in. People that collect their SS benefits are only collecting the pension they earned and deserve.

I like your premise that Whites benefit more from government programs than Blacks but you shouldn't include Social Security in that calculation.

SS is independent from the other government programs, has it's own separate funding, and is the ONLY government program that is not bankrupt now. It has a $2.5 Trillion surplus.

The simple reason that whites collect more SS is that they paid more into the system since they had higher paying jobs.

I agree that the Fed mostly benefits the rich. Thanks to our only socialist Senator, Bernie Sanders, they finally did have the first GAO audit of the Fed and found that $16 trillion went to foreign banks. This is truly a huge welfare system for the rich bankers. regular welfare is a drop in the bucket, so Conservatives whining about the welfare system should end this socialist welfare program first. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blog...
37 months ago: Altruist,

I would have to agree that Social Security is earned... but if you look at it in that respect is't welfare, by paying taxes?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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37 months ago: We all should know that someday we are going to become too old to work as hard as we do now. That is what SS is intended to be, a system that we all pay into, to help when we are old. It has evolved into a wholly new critter, with 20% of the payout going to people who never contributed. That's welfare.

Welfare isn't earned. That is the job of a civilized society to take care of those who can't contribute, but not those that just won't contribute. There is about a 35% chance that anyone could be in need of welfare of some sort at some point in their life. But most of us just pay our taxes, and don't even consider that our taxes are paying for welfare. Then we give our own money to those in need, and help out the way it is supposed to be, up close and personal.
37 months ago: You say
"But most of us just pay our taxes, and don't even consider that our taxes are paying for welfare. Then we give our own money to those in need, and help out the way it is supposed to be, up close and personal. "
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Really are "most of us" that ignorant? You aren't giving "most if us" a a fair assessment. I guess all those 8283's are being sent in by "someone else".

Welfare IS earned. It is earned by the sweat of the taxpayer collectively so that no one person, industry, or segment of the economy would have to shoulder the entire burden of trying to care for the poor.

Charities are not geared to take on the entire burden of indigent care, even with today's welfare system programs. They can not help the homeless, they can not feed the starving in THIS country. They can not be expected to replace the federal welfare system.

What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that it's not about ending the welfare state but about transitioning the system to one of open greater opportunity. We need a path to change not just some haphazard cuts to social safety nets.
Out Of The Box
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37 months ago: I don't know who is turning in the Form8283. I certainly don't. Seems a bit like cheating the spirit of charity to give and then ask for it back. Especially with the 8283 deduction, which is non-cash contributions. So you can sack up all your unwanted clothing and what-nots, assign a dollar value to each piece, get a receipt from the Salvation Army, and then claim it against your tax bill to avoid paying the full amount. That's not charity, that's a government subsidized yard sale.

"Welfare IS earned. ...by the sweat of the taxpayer collectively "

Collectively, maybe, in a utopian society. Individually, no, it is not. And to the people who collect welfare from birth to death, or large portions of time, disabled or not, it is definitely NOT earned. That's why communism will never work. When individual responsibility is subjugated to the hive mentality, more and more people will just do the minimum necessary to survive.

I know a few carpenters who are down on their luck in the recession. They've built hundreds of houses by the sweat of their brow, but now find themselves in danger of losing their own houses. Since you obviously have a place to live, I'm guessing you wouldn't mind putting them up till they can find gainful employment again.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
37 months ago: Likewise those trying to cut waste in the government should advocate an audit of the military Industrial Complex. They would find hundreds of times more waste and fraud here than in the rest of the government combined. There has been up to $60 billion in waste and fraud just in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but those wars are just a tiny part of the military industrial complex. Why don't we get rid of the mercenary army that gets as much as 5 times as much our troops for the same thing? Talk about corporate welfare!
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8962-Wa...

Once again compared to the corporate welfare all of the government help given to poor blacks is only a thousandth of what we give to the rich and the corporations.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
37 months ago: True, Altruist, you are absolutely right. A behemoth as big and lumbering as our military, with what would seem to them as bottomless pockets, can't help but have waste on a scale just as grand.

The great thing, is that the Fed wants them to waste as much as possible, so the government has to borrow more and more and more. That's why they keep starting these wars.

The man who was instrumental in starting Fed stated publicly that the best way to

It's the same with the welfare programs.

The Fed and its sister banks don't care where the money goes, they just want it flying off the shelves as fast as possible.

It's their one and only product. They make it, and we buy it.

They have us so addicted to it, it will take a possibly fatal detox to get it out of our system.

Paul Warburg, instrumental in the founding of the Fed, worked with his brother, Max Warburg, a banker that advised Kaiser Wilhelm II and helped finance Germany's side of WWI. Paul worked diligently to involve the US and to have the Fed finance the US's military expenditures.

The Constitution forbade the use of fiat currency, in order to insure that the Bank of England was permanently removed from our economy. But in 1913, that lying politician Woodrow Wilson sold us out to the same bank that had usured the colonies. And in addition to that, he ran on a platform "He kept us out of war" and immediately got us into a manufactured World War.

And it continues today.
Out Of The Box
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37 months ago: I agree with Altruist that Social Security, in its original state, is not welfare. But SSI, which is, I believe, funded with SS funds, is definitely welfare. Children with deceased parents qualify, regardless of the contribution. Disabled people of all ages are also eligible.

And although the math in both articles listed in the OP is faulty, (on a true per capita basis, the numbers don't look anything like what was purported), the welfare system is being abused and billions of dollars are being paid out to unqualified recipients.

Finally, the Fed just needs to go. But then, who would we borrow the money from to pay the welfare queens? ;-)
37 months ago: BOX,

If a per capita basis was used for the percentage of the military, blacks would out-number the whites... does that mean that blacks are more patriotic... or again they are forced into service by destructive poverty?
Out Of The Box
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37 months ago: I'm not sure. I don't know how many go into service out of a love for country, or a love of money. The few hundred that I do know would never claim that they only joined because they couldn't any better on their own.

Here is one set of stats: http://nationalpriorities.org/publicatio...

It claims that new recruits are comprised of 80% white and 16% black. Considering that the population in the US is 72% white and 13% black, it would be a pretty close representation of both in the military.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/...
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37 months ago: "A disproportionate number of the poor and members of minority groups make up the enlisted ranks of the military…"

This just isn't true. While blacks are heavily represented in the military in general, they make up only 15 percent of the combat ranks - just barely above their share of younger Americans. "

"White and black enlistees come from families with similar incomes. A 1999 Defense Department study found that among American households as a whole, the average income for whites was $44,400 and for blacks $27,900. Among enlistees, however, the racial gap was almost non-existent. White recruits came from households averaging $33,500 per year versus $32,000 for blacks - i.e. a figure well above the black national average. "

http://www.vdare.com/articles/race-relat...

Out Of The Box
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37 months ago: Now, true, don't let averages fool you. The average may have been from one family that makes $25 million per year and the rest make $10 grand. But the way I see it, the military is not a guaranteed job. They have to pass an aptitude test, and once in, they make a pretty decent wage, with plenty of room for advancement.
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37 months ago: http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Graphic/2007/10/07/1191754010_3540.gif

If you look at the dramatic spike around the 2001 mark, I guess that would sort of answer your "patriotic" question. Does my making that observation make me a bad person?
37 months ago: Seems a few people need to study up on who gets what when.

I am disabled but not eligiable for SSI. I draw SS Disability and will until I reach retirement age and then I will draw social security.

Children with deceased parents don't either, they qualify for benefits under their parents SS account(s), not SSI.

Disabled children (and others) draw SSI as citizens of the US, not as children of contributors, different formula. It is one of the most abused programs under the Social Security system.

Social Security is NOT a welfare program and should not be used to skew the numbers just so a Canadian can say more white Americans are on welfare than other races. You want to quote numbers, then quote some numbers that reflect the truth and I don't care what the end results says, just do it truthfully.
37 months ago: Sorry Six,

This Canadian was only reiterating what American TIME Magazine wrote and republished through the original author....
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl...

sunny2
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sunny2
sunny2
37 months ago: Truth....I was able to read this some of this, and it kind of hit a nerve with me . I could look up a bunch of statistics and articles, but I won't. Sure there are problems with money being funneled to other areas. Whose fault is that? Not the little guy.
People work for ss and take charge of their lives, but they can't control their age, disability, or problems that arise with getting older. You see people that are smart and talented let go from businesses that are only geared to youth.
What chance does that older person have to regain any substance in their lives once they reach 50 or so years old because there is no place to go but downhill if they lose their job. Most will struggle until they are of ss age and lose a lot along the way. Usually, as time passes they are alone dealing with it, and it can be heartbreaking to see a parent suffering, especially with depression . Once they were active citizens and were able to care for themselves and families and now they have to rely on either a child taking care of them, or social security benefits. Who wants to burden a child? It would be a vicious cycle that would only bring about family problems and pain. The children would lose opportunity and couldn't thrive with a burden on them to totally support parents. Everyone needs chances and opportunity. I tend to think that ss was inacted by a very smart person who could foresee these problems. People argue it was done for other reasons, but so what, it has helped where it is needed. What kind of a country would we be if our Seniors were left begging in the streets for food and a few coins. They aren't far from that at present. Not everyone is lucky enough to have adequate finances to live a comfortable life style. What about disease and sicknesses that come with no health care. Why would Seniors not be rewarded for their efforts for a life time of paying taxes so that their Country is funded and financially healthy. Their money helped build our Country. As soon as Government turns its back on Seniors, it is no more a Country to be valued. There are a lot of jerks out there that write articles that are nonsense. They do it to cause controversey and a lot of what they write is plain stupid because they don't have the life experience and want to be in the lime light. For example: I knew a newspaper reporter just starting out who wrote an article on a person who was laid off of a job. He felt sympathy for someone he felt near his age because he could relate to it. He didn't know anything about the person's reputation or history but was influenced by his crying and playing on his sympathy. The reporter was young and inexperienced. The guy was bad in every way and hurt a lot of people including his family by abandoning them. It is all about making noise for attention and not having the knowledge to back it up Some of these articles written by nobodies are useless when they try to claim fame by bashing others and going against the grain. The same way the Government here can be a big bag of wind when it comes to making decisions about ss. It is not welfare. It is a way to a means to protect our citizens when they need it when it is their time to hang up there saddles sort of speak. In todays world, there is no place for the Seniors with all the issues that limit them by discrimination alone. Social Security keeps them going and maintains their right to life and living. It isn't easy for them to live on af fixed income and accept this way of life, but it is a necessity for our Country to keep it going and to respect our people.


sunny2
sunny2
37 months ago: To add to this, many people have been kept down by society and don't have the chances others have. If people work, they can collect. It is not welfare.
Social Security average reward benefit is only about $900 - $1000.00 a month or slightly over for most people.
What I see wrong is that very rich people have all their assets hidden and have big homes and cars, plus ,collect from the State social security. That should reformed if you are calling it welfare. Why are they collecting?
37 months ago: Sunny,

I cite articles sometimes that cross the line while making the point I am making... this is controversial but it engages the reader and prompts them to stand up for what is right... regardless if one agrees with me or not, it causes dialogue. Two things about my post; I agree that SS is not welfare; and Whites are taking up in total more welfare than Blacks... while stereotyping them.

There is more to issues than I bring out, I don't know all facets and rely on the reader to fill-in the blanks and give their point of view, that is what makes our Ranting and Raving so fun and important. Someone happening upon our articles gives a few sides to the same story. I appreciate your side.
37 months ago: "Nearly Half of U.S. Lives in Household Receiving Government Benefit...
Families were more dependent on government programs than ever last year.
Nearly half, 48.5%, of the population lived in a household that received some type of government benefit in the first quarter of 2010, according to Census data. Those numbers have risen since the middle of the recession when 44.4% lived households receiving benefits in the third quarter of 2008."
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/0...%29
sunny2
sunny2
37 months ago: I never go by census data. It is never accurate. Whites were once the majority of the population, but they aren't any longer in many areas. Then you have to figure in not all people are stable minded and have a lot of psycological problems, health issues, social issues, and that is why they don't work. Many black people have been confined to areas where there are never any chances to get out unless they are lucky, and there are high areas of crime. Does the Government really do anything for anyone, except give them some federal aid toward their housing. Most of these places are holes in the wall and rat and roache infested and that is where the housing benefits are going. They should put more programs out there to get the people working. They won't touch those areas. Most people rather live out of their car these days.
This Country has always had poor white people living in the Apalachian areas, city areas, mostly everywhere. Many people aren't given chances to turn their lives around because of their poor roots. There are a lot of lazy people that shouldn't be on social security disability that can work, but they don't. Sometimes they become dependant on it like a crutch.. I've seen these same people run up 3 flights of stairs and have a disability sticker on their cars. A lot is overlooked, and there is a lot of waste. Its the Governments fault. On the other hand, there are Seniors that work far beyond their retirement years and are productive and pay their own way. .
Poverty is becoming more common because of the economy as you said it has risen. Everything has gone up for living expenses while the Consumer Index remains low/
This Country has not been sympathetic to the not so well off. We have been referred to as the land of opportunity as I recall. We have a lot of people coming into our Country and take many jobs away, and that is causing a crisis right there. Doesn't England give more to their people? I know they stay on unemployment benefits for as long as they don't have a job. What do you call that? They don't call it welfare because it keeps the economy going. Doesn't Switzerland or somewhere around there completly take care of their Seniors? It's very true. Other countries honor their Senior Citizens and respect them. It is amazing how our Country will reach out to the rest of the world, but in fact, don't take care of the business at home. Our Country has mainly stressed being a land of opportunity which it is, but you have to get off your backside and work for it as long as the other guy doesn't come along and stomp on you. How does Canada handle Seniors? I don't know the first thing about that.
There are problems all over the globe at this point. People are protesting and fighting back for what their Government has imposed on them by keeping them from progressing. Government officials want to be big fat cats while their people live in poverty. It's happening here today. We won't take it without fighting back.

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