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War On Women?

Posted 4 months ago|59 comments|432 views
Tough Decisions or Government Intrusion?
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
A fellow ranter has a harangue condemning Planned Parenthood as the root of all evil and blames them for the murders of uncounted babies.

I was raised Catholic and we were also taught that life begins at conception, so I understand where Truthbrary is coming from.

Most people do not approve of abortions, including I suspect, most of the people who work for Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is not really in the baby killing business. They are in the business of helping and educating young women so they don't have to have abortions. Only 3% of Planned Parenthood funding goes to abortion. The other 97% goes to critical medical care for women who can not get this care anywhere else.

The truth is that the Christian radicals that are outlawing abortions, birth control, and efforts to educate, are actually causing far more abortions than they are preventing by outlawing the practice.

A new study found that abortions are far more common where they are outlawed, than where they are allowed. This study found that 95% to 97% of the abortions done in the areas where they are restricted are unsafe.

The unsafe conditions result in the deaths of 47,000 women a year with another 8.5 million women with serious medical complications because of botched abortions. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-5...

As a kid in Catholic school, I totally bought the churches line, and even considered the priesthood. But then when I grew up I started thinking for myself, and something bothered me about the black and white, good vs. bad, universe of those who believed in moral absolutes.

The real world doesn't work that way. Nothing is ever black and white. If you live in the real world, you need to deal with moral relativity. The Taliban still deals in moral absolutes. Sex is bad they say, so even if a woman is raped, she should be stoned to death. Most people are a bit more rational than that.

The rational among us realize that if it is a choice between the health of a woman or a fetus that has the potential of becoming human, the woman wins. Some conservatives refuse to even consider the health of the woman. If the fetus is eliminated, it is murder and the woman and her doctor should go to jail.

What if a woman finds out she is pregnant again in some poor starving family in Africa. She has already lost one or two children to starvation and she knows if another child is born her children will suffer or die. Should she get an abortion.

It is always a difficult decision. It is a decision that should be made by the woman with consultation with her doctor, not by some male politician catering to the religious radicals in his district. What happened to freedom from the extremes of religion?

Of course in many parts of the world there aren't enough doctors, or enough birth control available, or enough people to educate people about sex, so ignorance results in more deaths and more tragedy. Ignorant men with Aids think that if they rape a virgin it will cure their disease, so they rape children who then get pregnant. Their young bodies are unable to bear the child and the birth literally tears the child apart resulting in her death or in Fistula. http://au.christiantoday.com/article/the...

There is a clear need for birth control and education, but the Obama administration is still working under the same Abstinence Only aid programs that proved so counterproductive under Bush. http://www.jewsonfirst.org/overseasrepro...

Contrary to Truthbrary's Rant, and the hysterical misinformation of the Christian Conservatives, the Obama Administration and the Affordable Care Act does not encourage or pay for abortions. There are multiple rules forbidding any federal funds being applied to abortions. http://www.jewsonfirst.org/overseasrepro...

The abortion question is a difficult one. Most rational people consider all sides of the argument. Progressives think that abortion should be a last resort. They think that the more education and access to birth control is available the fewer abortions there will be. That is why abortions always go down in Democratic administrations and go up in Republican administrations. Democrats provide alternatives to abortions and when absolutely necessary they make certain the procedure is done safely so woman don't have to revert to the bad old days of backroom abortions and clothes hangers.

Social Conservatives may talk about freedom and an individuals rights, but they have declared war on the rights of women to make their own choices and they are fine with forcing intrusive big government into the bedrooms of all of us, freedom be damned.
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4 months ago: Al. Since your in the know about the percentages received and payed by planned parenthood... Could you direct us to the link of their financial statement that backs up your unsupported claims?

I'm sure your infomants will be more than happy to show us the documents they report to the I.R.S. and H.H.S.
4 months ago: While your at it Al. Please prove that Planned Parenthood has never used a single penny of taxpayer money for an abortion. If Planned Parenthood has ever directed a single penny of funds from the government to any abortion (or even post abortion follow-up) then it is a government funded abortion program by taxpayers.

Not a single penny?

Prove it.
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
4 months ago: You prove it. :P
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
4 months ago: Why don't you prove that one penny of your anti-abortion taxes paid for an abortion...and while your at it why don't you prove that not one penny of my anti-illegal war in middle eastern countries taxes paid for the illegal wars in the middle east....
4 months ago: Does Planned Parenthood accept Medicaid or Medicare payments for ''Cleaning''?

No? Not one penny of clinical payments by the government?
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
4 months ago: One thing that needs addressed, is that Christianity in ALL its forms throughout history, has been responsible for more and extremely disturbing atrocities than all others combined.

One could argue that it's a flawed belief system and needs shut down entirely, especially if the logic on this site by many posters is applied.

So if you're blaming organizations for bad juju, everyones missed a biggie.

Also, trees are alive, but no one throws a fit about rainforests being cut down. Either ALL life is valuable or none of it is. As Jesus stated, no one sin weighs more greatly than another.
4 months ago: Yea, Right Mr. Geek!

And cow farts will cause Tennessee to become ocean front property.
4 months ago: I thought I saw a Longhorn ready to fart and inserted the capture tube...

Sent the gas to the active Keystone dump station in Illinois....

Wonder why Barry and Moo Moo are opposed to the Keystone?

You figure it out by looking at the ''ACTIVE'' Keystone lines vs: ''PROPOSED'' Keystone lines....

Duh.... Barry wants more oil flowing through Illinois than Texas.

http://www.transcanada.com/keystone_pipe...

Click on the interactive lines if you want to call me a liar.

Ours will be bigger than Barry and Moo Moo's.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I don't understand that Red.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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4 months ago: dave_geek19

The sentence you opened with is incomplete, therefore inarguable. "..Christianity in All its forms throughout history, has been responsible for more and extremely disturbing atrocities than all others combined..."

All other what? Religions? Philosophies?
Did you know that communism has been responsible for between 90-100 million deaths in the past 80 years? And Christianity has been around for just less than 2000 years, and I believe the tally is around 6 million casualties from those using Christian religion as a means to an end. They aren't practicing Christianity.
4 months ago: Altruist,

I can see why you didn't post a response to my Rant, abortions target blacks and other minorities... and Planned (un) Parenthood's inception was based on ethnic cleansing! Obama is the worst perpetrator, because he is supposed to represent his own people! You know full well abortion is not about women, otherwise it would consider the collateral damage it caused... like mental, and physical health issues... and suicides! Your abortions destroy women on all levels, and then don't lift a finger to help! Leaving compassion groups to help them pick up what's left of their lives. Open your eyes... without the "I hate religion" glasses on... it's not about religion either!

My Rant referred to in this post...
http://rantrave.com/Rant/Planned-Parenth...
4 months ago: Uh? Scared?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: This gives you an idea of where the PP money is spent. http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned...

The abortions are only at the request of desperate women who think they have no other options. PP first tries to offer them options.

The women should have the right to control when they become pregnant. PP helps them do that.

If the conservatives really cared about all life they would not be so gung ho to go to war all the time. They should also care about the health and wellbeing of the children after they are born instead of limiting health care and cutting nutrition programs, and they should care for the health of the pregnant mother to insure that the baby is born healthy instead of wanting to eliminate WIC programs.

Planned parenthood offers a wide variety of counseling services. Yes it is all about the mothers. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/western...

4 months ago: Al...''request of desperate women''... Bullsh|t and you know it.
4 months ago: Time Out Al... You mean to say that ''women should have the right to control when they become pregnant'' is not a personal choice of how many pickles they all to be inserted into their body? Your now saying sex and pregnancy is not a choice? Yeah, your Planned Parenthood is working well at ''Planning''.

Condom anyone?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: About half of teens in this country who become pregnant do not use contraceptives. A third didn't think they could the first time. http://blog.chron.com/momhouston/2012/01...

It is this type of ignorance that Planned Parenthood is trying to overcome with their education programs.

This ignorance is the result of opposition to sex education, and the misinformation spread by conservatives, through programs like abstinance only.

The more education and the more a woman knows about her menstrual cycles, her most fertile periods, and when she can become pregnant is imperative especially among those opposed to birth control. http://www.fhi360.org/en/RH/Pubs/Network...

Conservatives seem to be opposed to any knowledge driven by science.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Do you really think they are going to keep track of their menstrual cycles. Not all people can afford to have that luxury of having everything under control. People live in poverty and are half starving. They already have 4 or 5 kids they can't feed in this country. This is where the problem is. What is the answer to this? RC have many kids because they are not suppose to use birth control. Do you really think they don't, Al. I don't think Planned Parenthood works either.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Al, one thing about you is that you are one of the people who are always gracious when speaking to woman on this site. I have to give you that. You are always sincerely welcoming to people.
I'm sure Planned Parenthood does a great deal to help woman in trouble.
Anything is better than nothing and most agencies are not perfect. I don't think that this particular agency could get away with showing partiality nowadays. I don't believe they can get away with being prejudice. I don't see where Margaret Sanger started this program without an ulterior motive from what is written about her life. Yes, woman do need education, especially young woman who are naive and get iinto trouble. Many are poor and look for any kind of security to help them survive not seeing the consequences and fall into bad hands. You have to ask yourself why do they start life with problems that will follow them forever. Neighborhoods where there is poverty have to be face lifted so that people will feel proud and have their dignity. There has to be more interest from the local people to make change for the betterment of their citizens because bad environments breed social destruction. I do believe skill, jobs, and opportunity will help change things immensely. None of us can look to any kind of agency to cure all our ills. It has to begin with each person making a difference.
4 months ago: I will be glad when women are educated to the point of shutting Planned Parenthood down.

"They are in the business of helping and educating young women so they don't have to have abortions"

Yeah, right.

If they actually told women the truth they could be the ones taking credit for a dramatic drop in abortions instead of raking in millions thru the blood of innocent children.

Instead, they continue to this day to genocide the population, and exploit and miseducate women to the point of the death of their unborn children to make a buck.

It's reprehensible that anyone touts this organization as a women's best friend. It is not.

It's also reprehensible that those who support PP refuse in large part to support other groups where abortion is not pushed to the forefront as a cure all. Instead they seek to shut those institutions down! They will get theirs for that in the end. Deservedly so.

This organization was birthed in racism and genocide and has never repented of its past. NEVER. Won't even acknowledge it.

It should be mandatory that they have the pictures or Margaret Sanger along with the Klan and with Adolph Hitler prominently displayed in their lobbies and waiting rooms if they are to receive any Federal funding. Call a spade a spade.

It's always good to know where folks are coming from, especially when you find out what they continue to try and hide.

I keep hearing this talk of Right Wing Conservatives and Religious radicals being the ones who want to prevent baby killing. However there are a slew of other groups out there which is growing in number from the Left as welll as from the secular side.

Atheists & Agnostics for Life
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.htm...
Non-religious arguments and articles supporting pro-life principles

Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians
http://www.plagal.org/
A group with members from all sexual orientations committed to the pro-life cause.

Secular Pro-Life
http://www.secularprolife.org/
A staunch pro-life group committed to religious neutrality, with information on secular reasons to be pro-life.

Turn the Clock Forward
http://www.turntheclockforward.org/
Progressive, liberal pro-life blog that addresses pro-life liberalism and links to news articles on pro-life issues.

So that argument that the only ones who want to see abortions cease are Conservatives and zealots is a BOGUS one.
sunny2
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sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: First as a woman, no one can patronize me.
I don't think women are less educated than any man, especially on this site. Woman can put two and two together and no the realities of life.
Women know the pain of child birth that men don't know. Women know what it takes to raise kids and the extreme sacrifices of a mother when the guy runs out on them, and they are looking at 4 walls all alone. Women know what it is to be alone with no one to turn to in times of trouble. We all know how we are exploited. Who sits on the Board of Directors in most cases, men. Then you get some stupid woman who wants glory and recognition exploiting her own kind. It has been like this forever, nothing is new about it. They can create as many agencies they want and people will flock and pay big dollars. If you don't have the $, you get 3rd rate treatment. Doesn't mean they can even help or care to. Men can sit on this site and write about woman and say they aren't educated and throw darts at them but that is the only thing they can do. Then they go and pat each other on the back in praise. Men can certainly ruin a women's life and walk away laughing with her holding the bag, but we make the decisions for sure. On top of it, we take the brunt of societies negligence and ugliness, and we have no where to go but accept whatever is handed out to us in a meager way. We aren't educated in this facts of life. I would think again.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Where do woman turn, if there aren't any agencies at all. Someone has to start something better than PP, and not just talk about it. No one speaks here about what problems men cause and how woman get pregnant in the first place. Men impose most of the pressure on women to get an abortion because they aren't supportive. They play games and walk away. Who can catch them when they avoid responsibility. They say they aren't working and meanwhile work off the books and have plenty of money. We need strictly enforced laws to protect a woman from being used and left on her own. Woman have to feel important and be taught to be self-sufficient, so they can take control over their lives. We know the facts of life as I said before. If a woman can't be a parent, she won't be, and she will either abort or give a baby up. They need jobs and skill to earn their own money, so they don't have to rely on low lives to get them by because they are trapped in situations. These are the agencies that are needed besides these PP clinics.
If they have their own money, they can make better choices for themselves instead of living a life of regret when they have to abort or give up a child. To me that would be a life of tears and heartache because many don't forgive themselves. Rich or poor the same goes. Many don't know how to fen for themselves.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I'm RC. When it came to saving the mother or child, the decision of the church went to the child. I don't know what it is today, but I assume the same rules. The church is very firm on its stand on abortion. It's a moral issue. Many RC think otherwise and make their own decisions. How can you choose? It is a difficult situation because of so many different problems and circumstances connected to it.
I can't see a clear answer to the abortion issue. If a mother doesn't want a child, she should carry it to full term and have it adopted by someone who will want it. If there are other problems such as rape, incest how can a woman carry it out to full term with all the emotional trauma she is enduring. I don't think she could. I've worked in this one company and I was kind of isolated. I heard a knock at the door and someone used the name of an employee, I opened the door. My first mistake. I don't know how I avoided it. I showed no fear. Only with a silent prayer did I escape this. Till this day I thank God. I'll never forget it because I came too close to being a victim. I'm always cautious, but I know enough to fear for my kids because of what is out there. Woman run into things one time or another when there is no one there to help them. What do woman do if they are raped and become pregnant? I really would like to know what you people think. What do husbands think if this happens to their wives? Would they want their wife to abort the child or carry the child to full term?
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Planned Parenthood doesn't work. It's a waste of money.
I still think there is no such thing as a woman making the decision on her own to have a child or not. There is going to be her husband and family or others that will influence her in that decision. So what is this Woman's choice thing?
What kind of law will fix this?
4 months ago: You ask, ''What kind of law will fix this?''

How about one that has been on the books for many thousands of years.

God's Law.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: What do woman do if they are raped and become pregnant? I really would like to know what you people think. What would a man think if this happens to their wife? Would they want their wife to abort the child or carry the child to full term?
Nobody can answer that question? I really would like to know from someone who can express themselves fairly and intelligently.
4 months ago: Sunny,

Your question to keep a child if the mom is raped, is like saying should we kill the child for the sins of the father... no. Now if our countries would "abort" the rapists from society I think my answer would be yes! If you could get Planned (un) Parenthood to start 'aborting' rapists and not babies... heck give'em all the money they need! The problem is that we victimize the victims, and protect the perpetrators!
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Yes, I agree with that.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: I mentioned the article on menstrual cycles to demonstrate that PP does educate. Using this method for birth control is the only method approved by the Catholic church. Of course it doesn't work too well which is why this method is best known as Vatican Roulette.

PP has been saving the lives of uncounted women who if they didn't have this option would have gone to some back alley butcher.

Planned Parenthood provides testing services, breast exams, birth control, and pap smears, all at a reasonable cost. For women without affordable access to health care, these services are invaluable and sometimes life-saving. Just as importantly, Planned Parenthood offers a safe and reputable space for otherwise intimidated teenage girls to acquire birth control, get tested for STIs/HIV, or receive information pertaining to reproductive health.

3/4ths of the people served by PP are poor and are typically lacking in insurance and can't afford to get these services elsewhere. Planned Parenthood is a non profit and provides these services cheaper than other sources so the idea that they are pushing women to get abortions so they can make money is just another of a long list of lies meant to keep women in their place - pregnant and in the kitchen.
4 months ago: Altruist,

You seem to thing that there are only two options... abortions in the front chop-shop, and those in the dirty alley... news flash, how about keeping the baby??!! MOST women feel forced to have an abortion, because of guys like you that only have "bad or worse" scenarios to choose from. Here is a little education from some women...

Forced Abortions In America
http://stopforcedabortions.com/forced.ht...
http://stopforcedabortions.com/docs/Forc...
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Truth, all babies are innocent and no one has a right to destroy their lives . Any organization, Plan Parenthood, if it helps in any way possible is a good thing. I get sceptical at times as to whether these organizations really work. At least you answered my question about women being forced into abortion from outside influences.
People are out of control today. Many shouldn't be around a small baby.
I can't stand women who protest that it is their body,and they can choose to do what they want because they don't feel the unborn fetus is a person. That's cold to me. Then you have post partum disease that puts a baby in harms way. It goes on and on. Only solution I see is taking a child out of a bad environment. How many can be saved that aren't because no one knows how the baby is being treated? It is endless.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Truth, These articles explain the situation well.
Thank you.

4 months ago: "the idea that they are pushing women to get abortions so they can make money is just another of a long list of lies"

I suppose it's also a LIE that the organization was originated to destroy the black community. Is that a correct statement or not?

Maybe I missed it, but I have yet to see where in these discussions where you have addressed that particular issue. Have you? Don't think so. You've had plenty of direct opportunities too.

Well, please do so now. Please document where they acknowledge and renounce their particularly genocidal motivation to spread their clinics outreach to purposfully destroy lives. Please show the clean break between their racist past and their current infestation in low income communities.

If you don't, that speaks volumes to the readers here regarding your overall position.

Thank you.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
4 months ago: Did you sell your account to RSG or TCG? Your absurdly combative tone sounds an awful lot like them...

Would you mind linking your evidence that planned parenthood was designed to destroy the black community?

By the way: when I say evidence I mean scholarly evidence; that means no Fox News, No right wing think tanks, no RNC documents, No Tea Party sponsored propaganda...I mean things that contain facts.
4 months ago: Here's one peice for you PH.

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secur...

Combative? Maybe.

When one makes out a genocidal organization to be the only or even best beacon of hope for women in crisis, one should challenge that assertion. Doesn't mean I dislike Al, but I'm not going to be played for an ignorant chump either.

I simply would like to hear his take on this particular side of the issue.
4 months ago: Careful PH. Don't go throwing names out there unless your wanting to be combative. I'll let this one pass for now.

Huey. Welcome to the dis-Generation.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
4 months ago: Hey, take it easy now...don't tell me you have lost all sense of humor and sarcasm??? ;D
4 months ago: Margaret Sanger was not up front about her intentions. She and her ilk duped the masses and current day leadership of the time into thinking that her organization was going to provide a useful and beneficial community service.

Direct Quote -

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members". M. Sanger
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: This really makes me mad. I've seen woman go through hell with making this kind of decision and all along there is some scrawny looking man standing over her telling her what to do and leading her to these places to take away the child because he doesn't want to pay the rest of his life. She has no money, she feels shame, and sees no other choice because of intimidation.
But, and that is a big word here. Did you ever see some tough guy parent walk in and turn a place inside out before he would allow anyone to take his grandchild away? I've have seen this. That's strength in family. This is what we need today. Woman need support of family and friends, not cold impersonal clinics. If they don't have that support, then create a place that will treat them like people so they don't go out and get themselves into the same situation again. There are a few places where this is acknowleded and woman are treated like people, but not enough of these places exist. There is more of a trend to make big money off of sad situations.
Out Of The Box
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3 months ago: More and more men are willing to take up the rewarding task of rearing their children alone. This option is never discussed in Planned Parenthood. If the woman is not willing to make the "sacrifice" that her reproductive instincts have dictated, in many cases the father is more than qualified to nurture and care for the baby.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Glad to hear someone say something positive in this mix.
From my side of life, I haven't seen that much of men stepping up and putting the responsibility of child raising on their shoulders. Usually they run the other way.
When we speak of doing something wise on this issue, we aren't always talking about either parent being qualified. People can be very cold-hearted when it comes to child bearing and raising kids. One parent can do the job if they have the heart to. How many do?
A woman who is ordinarily a loving and responsible person should see to it that she is always independent. Then there wouldn't always have to be no way out except abortion. Again, the emotion has to be there in the first place. Some people just don't care and choose against birthing a child as you say" not willing to make the "sacrifice" that her reproductive instincts have dictated." She shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place. They know better. Maybe they should have stiff fines put on them. Choice can be an easy way out for them to do what they want.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
3 months ago: TB is right that women should never be pressured to have an abortion. I like the movie Juno's treatment of the subject. She was typical of half of the young women who don't think they can get pregnant the first time so don't use any contraceptive. She had loving and supportive parents who were OK with her making her own choice, but critical of her sexual ignorance and irresponsibility.

PP's education and availability of contraceptives would have avoided the pregnancy.

The pressure on young women comes from the righteous religious right who thinks that sex is so shameful that they throw the kid out of the house or disowns them rather than be besmirched with the dishonor of having a pregnant daughter around the house. (At least they don't stone them to death any more.

Republicans are busy stripping funding for any support given to pregnant young women to make carrying the baby to term more bearable. If you want girls to carry the babies to term why shut down WIC programs, and day care so the mothers can work, and other support for the mothers? http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2011...

Sunny is right women should always be empowered and allowed the education and access to birth control so they control their own fate. A new Brookings Institution study that Rick Santorum continuously cites about the causes of poverty, concluded that there are three basic things that women can do to avoid poverty. 1. Graduate from High School,2. Don't have children until married, and 3. get a job. If these 3 steps are followed the chances of being poor are reduced to 2%! If we invested in programs that helped these young women do those three things we could stop the cycle of poverty and dependance that the conservatives hate, but they do everything they can to killl any such investments.

That is the type of thing that Margeret Sangor recognized 100 years ago and why she tried to help the poor blacks. A fair reading of the article that Huey supplied, shows that her motives were always positive. "a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a 'caste' system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things in life. To give them the means of helping themselves is perhaps the richest gift of all. We believe birth control knowledge brought to this group, is the most direct, constructive aid that can be given them to improve their immediate situation."

Of course the South at that time was filled with racists some of whom worked in the Negro Project. The poor blacks were rightfully distrustful of the white male doctors intruding in their most personal lives (as Republicans do now), which is why Sangor advocated the use of preachers to explain to the women how education and birth control would increase the mortality of the women and their babies and give them a chance to move out of extreme poverty. This is the same problem with Africa today and it is not Eugenics, it is simple common sense and economics.

Huey I am glad that you are siding with radicals like Angela Davis. Maybe some of her other beliefs will also rub off on you.
3 months ago: So in your book Margaret Sanger is a Saint? A good white woman whose main mission in life was to improve the lot of the impoverished and ever breeding Nigras? Really? When out of her very own mouth she states that she was setting out to destroy the Negro population?

Is the reason you are white washing (no pun intended) and excusing this mind-set because you agree with it? Seriously.

Common sense and economics right? You still have yet to provide anything with regard to a refutation of Planned Parenthood's historic and racist past. Are you saying Sanger was NOT a racist? Are you saying all she wanted was for the good of all people everywhere?

What kind of ignorant chumps are you trying to take us for?

The last article I posted was indeed mild, however it contained enough information for an intelligent person to see how screwed up this woman was. She is an admitted racist and eugenicist. Why don't you embrace the truth? She praised the Nazi sterilization programs and believed some human beings should simply be eliminated from the population. Those are facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emR...

After all it's simple common sense and economics. That's your bottom line isn't it?

How anyone can watch that video and come away feeling that Planned Parenthood was initially designed for the betterment of poor people's or any people's lives is beyond me.

Well, let's continue to lie folks about PP being a malevolent organization. Never tell them the truth about the organization, its founder and its history. Line the women up at the doors of the local clinic and encourage as many as come through the door as possible to abort their babies.

Yes, sir. Steer them directly to have abortions and destroy their children in order to keep the population down, stay out of financial difficulty, and prevent the potential of their inferior progeny clogging up the penal justice system by preventing them from ever being born. Sounds like Orthodox Liberalese to me.

I am sure if old lady Sanger were around today, she would applaud your and their efforts.

Al - You've unfortunately fallen into the same trap that many left-wingers fall into. In their case they pretend to be the friend of the less fortunate while at the same time they intentionally lie, exploit and pretend to be the friend of the so-called minorities while at the same time they get a conscience cleanse and a power trip off of another's pain and misfortune.

Your motivation is less clear, but in addressing some and dodging other issues, I am starting to get a better feel. I am trying to believe the best but you are making very difficult by your support of an acknowledged racist and eugenicist.

As to Angela Davis, if you've ever read "Racism, Birth Control and Reproductive Rights," or "Women, Racism & Class" or, you would be able to see how duped she is by the far left wing feminist movement and the white power establishment. She has selective amnesia. Remembering what she wants to remember and forgetting what she doesn't want us to know. Not my idea of a true revolutionary.

Doesn't mean I disagree with her stands on everything, but her wholesale sellout of the family and traditional family structure, particularly in her own community, pretty much makes her the antithesis of anything positive with regard to the rights of the unborn.

Also - Here are some more direct Sanger quotes:

http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content...

I reiterate - When one makes out a genocidal organization to be the ONLY or ev
3 months ago: Continued...

Also - Here are some more direct Sanger quotes:

http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content...

I reiterate - When one makes out a genocidal organization to be the ONLY or even BEST beacon of hope for women in crisis, one should challenge that assertion. There are other organizations out there that can and do provide there services of PP without the propensity to steer our sisters to the butcher's table. Those are the organizations that should receive the funding.

Planned Parenthood needs to be shut down. They miseducate, misinform, provide almost zero post natal care and make very few adoption referrals. The agenda is abvious to anyone without blinders on.

Al - Where do you stand with regard to these statements of Sanger? Is Sanger really a much maligned and misunderstood person who believed all people are created equal and should be treated as equals? How does that fit in your overall understanding of the original and intended mission of Planned Parenthood? Don't you believe that this is a history that needs to be known and not continually covered up? After all, if the agenda is clean now, they should have no problem denouncing the sins of the past, right?

You have yet to address these specific issue. Please clarify.
3 months ago: "Margeret Sangor ......she tried to help the poor blacks. ....her motives were always positive." Altruist

http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content...

Come again?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
3 months ago: Do you feel that all people are created equal and should be treated as such?
3 months ago: Wow! From a slightley pink Teapartier.

Welcome to the club Huey. It's time to take the gloves off and see if they can handle raw knuckles. No more **** footing around to make them feel less IMPOTENT.
3 months ago: Get real PH. We all know you don't think people are "Created". If you did you would not approve of killing them in the womb. Which you do.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: PH can I answer that one.
All people are created equal, but unfortunately it doesn't exist even here from the lowly names I have been called. Do you ever see the woman that are chased off of the site after writing a few lines trying to comment. They never write again after they are bashed without reason. Difference between me and someone else is that I'm no shrinking violet. I guess then a person has to fight for equality whoever they are and whatever they believe in. Hummmm War on Woman?
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3 months ago: Yes. We are all created equal and should be seen as and treated equal as human beings. However, our choices are the determining factor as to how others should ultimately be expected to treat us and tolerate us.

Racist, eugenic, destructive, perverted, and anti-social behavior should never be seen as being acceptable. It should not be treated as normal or acceptable. However, that does not make the individuals who practice such heinous and destructive things less than human or less loved by the God who created them.

Equal.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Race http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sa...
W. E. B. Du Bois served on the board of Sanger's Harlem clinic.[82]Sanger believed that lighter-skinned races were superior to darker-skinned races, but would not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor any refusal to work within interracial projects.[83] Although Sanger's views on race appear archaic from a modern viewpoint, her contemporaries in the African-American community supported her efforts.

How could this woman have been fair if she made that statement? She had to feel that black people were inferior to begin with, and she was doing them a favor? I don't follow her thinking. A person in order to make change of this magnitude had to be completely without prejudice. If the black culture went along with her, it seems she was the only choice they had. Apparently there was no equality between woman of color and other races.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: During those early years from what I have read, I don't see Planned Parenthood being above board in their treatment of the black culture. Since discrimination exist today, this would send up a red flag because it may have carried down this kind of a philosophy. Poor people are treated secondary to those who are well off anyway and prejudicism only makes it worse. I don't trust Planned Parenthood as I have become aware of the background of this organization, but again since there is very little choice out there for women needing help, where else can they turn. In this day and age, I don't think Planned Parenthood can openly get away with showing partiality toward minorities, but it is obvious that some people get better treatment than others
Only jobs that will promote independence will help the impoverished lives of women to be treated equally. They need jobs and health care insurance. When it comes down to it, it is the almighty dollar that really counts in the way people are treated by medical staff. .
sunny2
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3 months ago: "Margeret Sangor ......she tried to help the poor blacks. ....her motives were always positive." Altruist

Do you stand by that statement?
3 months ago: Waiting.
3 months ago: Hello Al-

I know I have proven my point with you as you won't even come back to defend your position anymore.

You can't anyway because it is indefensible. Sanger was a white supremacist bigot that wanted to usher in a new race of humans. This was to be done through selective birth control and sterilization. Her views on both are well documented for anyone who wants to do the research.

It's best that you leave this alone. If you don't open your mouth on this issue any further, you can't put your foot in it anymore than you already have.

Sanger was a racist and you know it. She was a passionate supporter of Hitler and the KKK. And you claim she was always positive in her motivation to help blacks. That says a lot about you and what you claim and really stand for.

Sanger founded a eugenic organization that is now called Planned Parenthood.

This multi-billion dollar corporation won't admit to anything regarding their origin and there is no indication whatsoever that they have ever changed in regard to their mission. A mission to kill undesirables and keep the "lower classes" of humans from reproducing. Those are facts that you and the likes want to keep hidden.

Liberals and others like you want folks to remain either ignorant or to turn their head the other way in regard to the reality of what this organization was really created for and why it is strategically positioned all around the world. Not on my watch.

This organization was NEVER conceived or originated to promote life. Its mission from the beginning and up to this present day is to bring death. Specifically, they lied to and brought death to the individuals and groups of people that they claim to be defending, supporting and helping. That's hypocrisy in its highest form.

So much for believing the best.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Written in Huffingtonpost.com
We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives.
Planned Parenthood is being funded again.
I think a lot of women were distressed over this. Something is better than nothing. We don't get much help.
3 months ago: There are other places to go. There are other services available.

They keep peddling the 3% number which is an outright lie. Its more like 10-15%. Thhey fudge the number in order to make it look more presentable. The organization is supported by pathological liars, eugenicists and the ignorant.

PP is simply the biggest, has connections, and is on the governement dole.

Komen was right in what they did in cutting that funding. Without the $680,000, Planned Parenthood will still have 99.932% of its money.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/arc...

But pro-abortion people are prone to hysteria.

Too bad they buckled under the pressure.

sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: I never paid too much attention to it because I never utilized it.
Why did they reverse it? They placed the funding back with an apology. Too many people got loud enough to make them restore it.
Where do people turn for care? Hospitals are so bad today. You have to be rich for them to take you as a patient. Doctors are geared to helping you if you are rich with lots of money and medical insurance to spend on health care, otherwise you get one of the staff doctors in a hospital that aren't that good, and you are never given the proper care. Some doctors can be very patronizing and not care two cents about patients and can be very rude, especially to older people. Most people can't afford to get sick. If you are sick in America with no insurance, you are on your own. Pro choice groups will get all they can from these centers at most for the publicity.
3 months ago: CASE CLOSED.
sunny2
sunny2
3 months ago: Sure is.

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