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Undercover Videos Reveal Crime

Posted 28 months ago|19 comments|850 views
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So I was reading about this undercover operation that proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that crimes were being committed. The perps would even boast about it, while the disguised investigators caught them in the act.

Am I talking about ACORN? Nah, those phony "pimps" and "hoes" were reported to the police by their targets.

I'm talking, of course, about gun show sellers.

It's illegal to sell guns to anyone you don't believe could pass a background check. Regardless of how you feel about that, anyone who sells a gun to someone when there's reason to believe that the purchaser cannot legally own a gun is guilty of a crime.

But an astonishing 35 out of 47 sellers at gun shows investigated by the city of New York were willing to make such an illegal sale. Only 12 stayed within the law.

And that's a real problem. Per the article: "[T]he Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) reports that 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected to gun shows."

Right now, it's legal to sell a gun at a gun show without running a background check, so long as you don't have any reason to believe the buyer can't pass such a check if one were run. With the vast majority of sellers willing to sell guns to criminals, should this loophole be closed?
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28 months ago: Where is the video? Right now it is legal for you to sell a gun to your neighbor without a background check. What happens when you restrict that? Try this one. You won't be able to sell that old refrigerator that you just replaced with a newer model to your neighbor without a government permit. Trust me I'm not that far off. What about all of those garage sales? Will they be needing background checks on everyone next?
28 months ago: TCG, see the link under "EXTERNAL LINKS" to the left for the videos. Here's the URL: http://www.gunshowundercover.org/

As for your neighbor scenario, it is not legal for you to sell that gun to your neighbor if you have reason to believe he wouldn't pass a background check. Such a sale is already, under existing law, just as illegal as the behavior shown in those videos.

As for refrigerators and garage sales, that's a classic slippery slope argument, and I don't buy it. Slippery slope arguments get used all the time to illogically claim one behavior will inevitably follow another. Opponents of gay marriage use the same logic to argue that gay people will want the right to marry kids/animals/rocks if they can marry each other, something that hasn't actually proven true in countries that allow gay marriage. Slippery slope arguments are logically invalid.
28 months ago: OK I watched the external link.
I still say your looking at taking away the rights of the majority which the video also states while not enforcing the gun laws against criminals. Here is a short version of the videos text description.

"investigation to expose how a dangerous loophole in the law allows criminals to get guns."

Do I see criminals in that statement? How about this. I have been to many gun shows and carried guns on my person into gun shows. I have always been checked at the door by Law Enforcement to verify the firearms were not loaded and to check current photo ID. Let's just require a criminal background check at the door. That would fix the problem.
28 months ago: "Let's just require a criminal background check at the door."

This is a first: I agree completely. Yes, an instant criminal background check at the door would prevent anyone from getting in who isn't legally allowed to own or purchase guns, relieving the burden of each and every vendor having to do a check themselves, and stopping criminals from getting guns. It's a good idea.
28 months ago: OK, we are making progress. I'm glad you think a criminal background check at the door is a good idea. Can we take it a step further?
28 months ago: I'm all ears.
28 months ago: I'm sorry HNN. I didn't really understand this in your first reply which is listed above for review.

"it is not legal for you to sell that gun to your neighbor if you have reason to believe he wouldn't pass a background check"

Is that a short version of the next profiling law?
28 months ago: Back on topic. So, now we are being checked against a worldwide database for criminal background at the door. Why stop there? It is also against the law for anyone (which might not have a criminal record) that has a physiologial issue from purchasing a firearm. Do we now add a mental health check at the door? Comments or continue?
28 months ago: No, it's not a "short version of the next profiling law." It's against the law to sell a gun to someone if you have reason to believe that person is a criminal who isn't themselves legally allowed to own a gun. This is true at gun shows, in gun shops, and in private exchange. Title 18, Chapter 44 of the U.S. code (GCA68) lays it all out, and it passed in 1968, so it's not exactly the "next" anything. Here's a link to the section called "Unlawful acts": http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

The same law, by the way, also does make it a crime to knowingly sell a gun to someone who is intoxicated or displaying signs of mental illness.
28 months ago: Ok, fair enough. Now criminal, physiologial and intoxication tests at the door. I don't know about your State but here when we get a drivers license it is good for years. I can get a drivers license today and be homeless tomorrow and still have a valid drivers license. Don't you have to have a real permanent residence wich matches your ID to purchase a firearm? Is that not also in your quoted law? Do we add "Homeless" to the list?
28 months ago: I'll end tonight with this.

Nice picture of a Commie Automatic Firearm.
Most gun related crimes do not involve "Long Rifles".
So your picture is bogus and ment to portray your own mental state. Which by the way is just like the picture.

While your out to take civil liberties away from Law Abiding citizens just move the check point out to the gate before they enter the parking lot. That way the insane intoxicated homeless criminals won't be able to attack a real Legal American in the parking lot and steal his/her firearm which they legally purchased after passing the gate check to enter the gun show. Can anyone else add to this? I think the point has been made and further addition will only add insult to injury.
28 months ago: heynnn,

You liberals do not like guns, so you are trying at every avenue to defeat a citizen's right to own a gun. Like water finding the lowest spot. No?

Look at the people's republic of California. Very many liberals (and alot of conservatives too) generally like to get stoned, so, California may legalize pot. No?

If liberals like it, it's okay for everyone else. If liberals don't like it, it has to be banished. No?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
28 months ago: How about background checks at polling stations? You know to make sure they are citizens, live in the district they are voting, are not stupid enough to elect BO, not voting twice, and the list can go on.

How about background checks for journalists, to make sure they are non-partisan so they will actually tell the truth??

How about background checks to become an advisor to the president??

As I have in earlier comments. If the Fed knows who has the guns, then the states cannot maintain a militia to protect from the Fed' because they will know who has the guns.
28 months ago: You guys let him off way too light.
28 months ago: @scotmanster et al:

Hey, I didn't write the law. Don't blame the messenger. Like it or not, right now it's a crime to sell a gun to someone when you have reason to believe they couldn't pass a background check, it's that simple. Don't like it? It's not my fault.

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