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Time for Mediation

Posted 9 months ago|26 comments|367 views
What - No Referee?
Written by
Altruist
Eugene, OR
The differences between the Democrats and the Republicans seem to be irreconcilable. Perhaps it is time for a divorce. Maybe it is time to end the political parties altogether, because neither party is reflecting what the vast majority of people in the country needs and wants. There are more people who claim to be independents, than members of either party. Why don't the independents get a voice in what happens?

It is obvious that most people are disgusted with what Congress is doing (or not doing) and the partisan gridlock insures that nothing of value will get done until things change. A recent Gallop poll found that 77% of people said the economy is getting worse, 73% think the country is going in the wrong direction, and consumer confidence went down to -53%. These indexes are the worst they have been since the economic meltdown.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148889/Econom...

Why the sudden plunge in confidence? The S&P downgrade and the unnecessary farcical debt limit debacle are what caused the anger of most people, and the market uncertainty. The Intransigence of the Republicans and their refusal to consider any revenue changes are what caused S&P to downgrade our credit ratings which made the stock market plunge. They warn that unless things change we could be further downgraded.

The Super Committee of 12 is supposed to come up with additional reductions to our deficit, but that seems designed to fail.

The Democrats have come to the table willing to do the hard work of negotiating. Harry Reid has chosen one liberal Sen. Patty Murray, one moderate, Sen. John Kerry, and one conservative Sen. Max Baucus to be on the panel. This approach reflects what the people want, a balance of revenue increases and smart budget cuts. The Republicans have chosen 6 radical super conservatives who have all pledged never to raise taxes for any reason. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/1...

"What about the country and our people? Every poll shows that the public wants the same thing that economists say we need: increases in spending on the things that grow our economy, cuts in military spending and tax increases on the rich and big corporations (2/3 of which pay no taxes at all) -- the very items that are "off the table" in the budget negotiations!" http://www.truth-out.org/negotiation-101...

There is little hope of resolving differences if one side comes to the table vowing not to negotiate. Before divorces become final, the parties are usually asked to go through mediation to see if there is any chance of reconciliation. Deadlines and stressful situations often results in deals that are unsatisfactory to everyone. This conflict has ended up in a vicious downward spiral of negativity and recrimination. Since the members of both parties no longer work or even listen to each other, there is little understanding between the two sides. Each side even has it's own news and information sources and each side thinks the other side is biased and even the facts are often in dispute.

Having two sides evenly matched as in the "Super Committee" guarantees either gridlock, or one side caving in to the bullying of the other. There should be an unbiased third party to mediate. The majority of people who disagrees with both major parties should have a say, and it would also be good to have some economists participate that actually know how to solve the economic problems we are facing. The mediators should also be trained in conflict resolution. http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/n...

In this conflict the Republicans are unyielding, competitive and combative, the Democrats are too compromising, and the President is too accommodating (willing to give away too much). The people who have no say are getting screwed.

In conflict resolution there are five steps to a reasonable solution.

1. Active listening. Each side should really listen to the concerns of the other.
2. Gather information. This is where the input of the best economists and the latest studies should come into play.
3. Agree on what the problem is. Democrats think Jobs is the major problem, Republicans consider debt the major problem.
4. Brainstorm Solutions. Bring in those experts, but also look at what other nations have done and which solutions are the most successful. All possible options should be considered.
5. Negotiate a solution. In this case the solution should be what is best for the long term good of the country and the people. Political considerations should be left behind. That is what the mediators should determine.

In the coming negotiations there should be 6 Democrats, 6 Republicans and an uneven number of neutral independent experts who also have a vote, so they can break deadlocks.

Knowing that the independents will decide the issue, forces both sides to compromise with the independents and that way, what is pest for the people will be determined.

A similar process should be arrived at for all legislation. There should be an up or down majority vote on whether an issue should be acted on. Then three possible solutions, or bills should be written up. One from the Democrats, one from the Republicans, and one from the independents.

Then preference voting should be used to vote for the best solution. (3 pts. for the one you like, 2 pts. to your second choice, 1 pt. to the one you dislike. The solution with the most points will win.) Once again each bill will be designed to appeal to the center, not the extremes of their bases, so the will of the people will best be served.

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9 months ago: Hey Al. You forgot that you could vote TEA Party. It works both ways.
9 months ago: No Al.

We are talking about our children's and grand children's future.

No compromise whatsoever. Never. Ever.

At this late hour, defeating you liberals/socialists/statists is the only answer.

Period.
9 months ago: Wake up!

There is no real difference between the Repugnantcans and the Demoncraps.

They are both determined to destroy the middle class in America and enslave the remainder.

America has a One Party government, and the only people invited are the mega-wealthy. The rest of us are either servants or sacrifices.


Pastor Dinary
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: Oh Oh the Pastor, is starting to make sense. but as usual is blaming the victims. It is true that the corporations and the rich are controlling one of the parties anyhow. and now with Citizens united they can outright buy elections and bribe officials. But the Democrats are the ones being attacked by this unlimited money, and the Democrats are still responsive to the millions of small donors. The Democrats are the only ones fighting for the poor and the middle class.

The only way to give your kids and grand kids a chance at a decent life is to defeat the entire Tea Party and the rest of the nutcases who have vowed never to pay for the bills they wracked up.

The Republicans no longer even pretend to care about the regular people in the middle class. They only want to preserve the tax cuts for the rich even if they destroys the country.

Red if you were concerned about your kids you would have the rich and corporations pay the darn bills they and the rest of the Republicans wracked up.

It was the tax cuts to the rich and the wars and military buildup that built up the debt, and it was the greedy war profiteers and the military Industrial Complex that grew obscenely rich from that borrowed money. Why the heck shouldn't they pay back the money they got from the government?

It sure wasn't the old and infirm that you are trying to throw out in the streets that created the problem, and they sure didn't get any of that borrowed money that blew up the national debt.

9 months ago: Your belief that raising taxes will solve our problems is on the same level as cow farts destroying the planet!

9 months ago: RED? Your thoughts on Perry? Is he viable? Does he need an R (like Ryan or Rubio) as a running mate?

You know how the press will make a Perry/Palin run?
The PP party. So that is out.

I'm not saying I support Perry. He has issues that he will need to resolve to take Texas Tea Partiers. Just wondering what others think.
9 months ago: If Perry is the one left standing, he has my vote.

My first choice is Palin. My second choice is Palin. My third choice is between Bachman and Herman Cain. My fourth choice is between Bachman and Herman Cain.

Newt is in love with himself way tooo much....so Newt needs to go away.

The rest of them are blips on my radar.

What says you Cypress? Your opinion makes a difference to me.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: You disapoint me Red. You are supposed to be the proponent of the Constitution...Sarah Palin has made it painfully apparent that she has not even read the whole things (she has found the parts that support her arguments, but she ignores the rest). At least Herman Cain has a backbone.

"Newt is in love with himself way too much"...Sarah Palin isn't????????? She is the biggest self promoter "get rich off her self" person I have seen in a long time.

Further, I certainly hope that she doesn't get the nomination as she would lose 45 states...she is catagorically the wrong candidate to run against Obama.

As I already said, my vote will go to the same person it has gone to several times now: Ron Paul
9 months ago: Ron Paul? Someone is delusional.
9 months ago: RED asks..."What says you Cypress?"...

Lest we forget the liberals idea of strong conservative ladies. You know their side wants to talk game but changes the rules to their advantage during the game.

With that said...as of today...

Palin
Bachman
Cain

Like I said before...Perry will need to earn my vote with some in your face statements that he promises to uphold.

In the end...It will probably be Perry. He will need Sarah.

So get ready for the PP jokes.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Delusional huh? 1% behind Bachman in Iowa....
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: If you are serious about wanting somebody other than Obama in the White House you had better be praying to whatever it is you pray to that Sarah Palin isn't anywhere near the campaign.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: I know what you are going to say. Medicare recipients are receiving borrowed money, but the entitlements are called that because the Social Security and Medicare recipients paid into those systems. SS is just their retirement pension plan they paid into. Medicare is their health insurance they paid premiums into and they are entitled to be cared for in their last years.

Social Security is the ONLY government agency that is not bankrupt. It has a $1.5 trillion surplus and just needs to be tweaked. Bush started the decline in Medicare by giving billions to Big Pharma without paying for it. Medicare needs means testing and the cost of providing health care could be brought down by extending Medicare to all. Then the costs would be cut in half because the program would cover the healthy not just those most at risk.
9 months ago: Your belief that social security is not also bankrupt is on par with "Bush Lied!"
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: So his belief is true then?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: Red I feel secure being on the side of 2/3rds of America, and all the unbiased economists, and as for Cow farts 98% of scientists, while your refusal to accept facts puts you with minority the flat worlders and those who still believe the sun goes around the earth.
9 months ago: Lets see how those numbers work again. Not saying that people don't need or deserve the help. Lets just work those payments versus payout numbers again AL.

Please use round numbers of what your parents "Paid" and what they have "Recieved". Make sure to let us know how much longer they will be alive so we can calculate their future burden on the shrinking payees.

You think they might have paid 20,000 total? 40,000? 60,000?

Lets say they were "rich" and paid 240,000.

What is the current cost to the government for all monies paid to your parents benifit to date?

My guess is we are approaching 500,000 +++. NO?

Nice planning bud.
9 months ago: Yeah RED! Are you a Putz? Don't you know that several hundred years ago all governments along with their best scientists proclaimed the world was flat?

You my friend have fallen off the edge. Uh....

Sorry. 2011. Same game different name.
9 months ago: There you liberals/socialists/statists go saying science is now a popularity contest.

Think about Al.

That is ridiculous.
9 months ago: Next thing we will be discussing is how some algae infested water incubated the correct chemical formation to grow a single cell that evolved into the REDSTATEGUY.

Not sure if there were any economists or scientists around during that early episode.

You might ask AL. I'm sure he has it on video.
9 months ago: Don't forget about the lightning and ameba farts.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: So instead of intelligent discussions about how to solve our debt problems we have devolved into taunts and invective again.

If the super committee does not come up with a plan to find $ 1.5 trillion in debt reduction by Thanksgiving, automatic cuts will kick in. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will be exempt from the automated cuts but the Military will have to be cut $600 billion and other discretionary programs will have $600 billion in cuts.

Maybe you are right. Maybe the committee shouldn't even try to compromise, and we should let the rich continue to live in luxury while the rest of the country enters into a depression because of all of the cuts, the defense plants shutting down, and everyone else loosing their jobs.

I think the military should be cut that amount anyway, so I will be OK. My SS and Medicare will be OK so why should I worry about the rest of the country going down the tubes? The rich certainly won't loose any sleep, why should I?

Also after the nation realizes that the Tea Party and the Republicans are the ones that destroyed the economy a third time, they will be finished for good.
9 months ago: Sorry Al. Your doing such a find job spending my money to support others.

Never answered the question. I'll let you pass on the excessive burden to taxpayers to fund your parents for now.

OK. You want to know how to cut Defense Spending? Here you go.

1) cut all foreign aid related to defense
2) close all foreign bases unless the country wants the base and agrees to pay the bill.
3) Cut all shipyard and aircraft, etc. contracts that are in states that are not right to work states. You think that the only workers that can build these items are union employees?
4) Close / Move American soil bases to locations more favorable in cost.

Should I continue?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: Or maybe the Representatives that we elected should do what the people that elected them want. 2/3rds of the people want Social Security and Medicare left alone and want taxes raised on the rich. http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bru...

Is this a Democracy or a plutocracy?

Are these Republicans representing the people, or the richest 2% and the corporations who own them?
9 months ago: Skin in the Game? Al?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
9 months ago: TCG Foreign Aid is mostly weapons so I would be all in favor of cutting that but that is only 1% of the budget. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/f...

If you were to cut all contracts that are not in right to work states you would be eliminating of millions of jobs and there are not that many Qualified highly educated workers to take their place even in this job environment. All of the engineers and the best brains have gotten jobs in Wall Street, and defense industries have had to rely on foreign workers.

But even the military cuts you advocate are off the table for the Republicans. They voted to Increase the already bloated Military spending another 17%. This proves the don't give a darn about the National Debt.

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