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Time For Tax Reform?

Posted 4 months ago|11 comments|355 views
Our Complicated Tax Code
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Near the end of February the nation's lawmakers will be arguing about taxes again, because the Payroll tax cut is set to expire. Instead of another band aid, we should be talking about real comprehensive tax reform. We should throw out the old system altogether and start over again.

Everyone hates the Income tax system. It is complicated (72,000 pages long) and people spend between $250-$300 billion each year just for tax preparation. Simplifying the system would save taxpayers the equivalent of 20% of their taxes. There is also a lot cheating going on. Preventing cheating would provide another $300 billion.

One good aspect of the Income tax system is that it is progressive and could be used to reduce income inequality, but that isn't working too well. Billionaires pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries pay. The income tax system penalizes wage earners and rewards speculators who use money to make much more money.

The tax system is riddled with thousands of tax loopholes that special interests take advantage of. Because of these loopholes 2/3rds of corporations pay no taxes at all, even though the corporate tax rate is higher than any other nation and corporations are making record profits.

We need to balance the budget, but we also need to stimulate the economy, rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, rebuild our education system, provide for universal health care, and save the environment. All of the States are hurting and we are laying off teachers, policemen, firefighters and letting criminals out of prison.

The super-rich who used to have a 90% tax rate, now pay 17%, and corporations which used to provide 20% of the revenue now only pay 9%. Our taxes are lower than they have been in 60 years even though we are still in the middle of a war. We have a revenue problem not a spending problem.

This should be the year for Comprehensive Tax Reform. Of course there is resistance. All but 13 of the Republicans in Congress have signed a pledge never to raise taxes for any reason. There is also considerable resistance from all of the special interests who paid millions to lawmakers to put the thousands of loopholes in the tax system.

Of course normally in an election year, nothing would happen, but this year Obama has some leverage. At the end of this year, unless there is comprehensive tax reform, the Bush Tax Cuts will expire and the tax code will return to the tax code under Clinton which resulted in three years of surpluses. Another incentive is that Congress needs to do something to avoid sequestration. Sequestration is scheduled to make across the board cuts of $60 billion to the military and another $60 billion to domestic discretionary spending. To prevent sequestration Congress needs to do what the "Super Committee" was not able to do, find $120 billion in savings from a combination of budget cuts and new revenue. http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/co...

To prevent the type of partisan gridlock that condemned the "Super Committee" to failure, the President should call for a tax reform panel that consists of an equal number of Republicans, Democrats, and independent economists, who have not received any money from special interests. Each group should then craft there own separate proposals, and then they should use preferential voting to select their favorite (3 points) second choice (2 pts.) and least favorite proposals. The proposal with the most points would be the one approved. This procedure would force everyone to cooperate and compromise to attract those second choice votes. The final proposal should just have a simple up or down vote with no filibuster allowed.
UPDATE - 4 months ago
Now the Democrats in Congress finally have some leverage. The Democrats want the Bush Tax cuts to expire and they want the military budget cuts. Unless the Republicans are willing to compromise and do what is best for the nation, the Democrats can filibuster any plan they don't like, or Obama can veto any plan he doesn't like.
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4 months ago: You're just plain wrong when you say "Billionaires pay a lower tax rate than their Secretaries". Just plain wrong.

That's factually inaccurate, but, Alas, there is no way to make you understand.

Ever heard of capital gains tax?

I agree it is time to change the tax code.

LOWER TAXES AND LOWER SPENDING, and those lazy 99 %ers would have nothing else to do but go getting jobs and being productive members of our society.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: Red I said Tax Rate, not taxes. They pay much lower rates because most of their income is from Capital Gains which are taxed at 15%. So the average taxes paid by the billionaires is 17.5%. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2...

The theory behind capital gains being taxed at a lower rate is that they think this is where the job creation comes from. The theory is wrong. This system was in place for the last 13 years and it didn't result in any additional jobs.

Instead of throwing money at the rich in the hope that a few pennies will trickle down. If you want job creation target the tax breaks so that corporations and rich folk only get the tax break if they create the jobs.

The current tax system doesn't work. It doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't prevent rampant income inequality.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: The problem with the "Let the lazy bums go out and get a job" riff is that there are five people out looking for each job. It is an employers market and they can afford to be choosey. They just hire the best and the brightest and they even advertise that only those with current jobs need apply.

The Free market system is just throwing the chronically unemployed out into the streets like yesterday's garbage. The Republicans don't care. They have refused to act on the over 41 jobs bills in the House and have not introduced one of their own that would help the Chronically unemployed.

The best jobs program is one that expands things like Job Corps which trains, educates and gives job experience so then people have a chance to go out and get a job and become productive tax paying citizens, instead of having to rely on the government.

Jan Schakowsky has a good jobs bill that would target the chronically unemployed and create 2.2 million jobs but the Republicans refuse to bring it to the floor. http://schakowsky.house.gov/index.php?op...

Obama should start the WPA up again as FDR did. While the economy is improving, it is an average of the 1% who are just doing great, and the 99% who are in a depression.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: Noam Chomsky thinks that wage slavery is the same thing as chattel slavery. I happen to agree with him. And yet the socialist labor unions are pushing for more slavery, by chaining a person to their desire for what they have been trained to perceive as a "better life". The ability to consume more = better life ? Yes? No?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: I think there should be a cap on taxes paid. After a certain amount, it should be tax free. Then, the rich would not feel they had more of a say in government than the rest of us. I know that if I was toting 75% of the tax load, I would make darn sure that the government was run the way I thought was best. I don't blame the rich for thinking that way.

Now, in your rebuttal, please don't include SS taxes, as they are already designed to even things out to some pitiful degree. Anything over, what is it?, $106,800? is not taxable for SS.

Oh, and not trying to take anything away from those who are legitimately struggling, but I am not in a recession. I adapted and overcame, as the great Martin Luther King instructed. I'll be working all day this coming Monday in honor of his memory.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: Al
"The super-rich who used to have a 90% tax rate, now pay 17%..."

They paid 90% during wartime. Also, women couldn't get nylons, anything made of rubber was rationed, fuel was rationed, even food was rationed.

Are you saying we should all go back to the hardships and sacrifices made by every American during the big wars? Or, are you using the wartime tax example as a means to get the money out of the hands of the rich and into yours?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: Exactly!!! Are we not now at war? During WWII everyone sacrificed. Bush put the 1% that was in the military and their families through hell while he gave huge tax breaks to the rich, and told the rest of the country to go shopping.

I think that if the nation is so threatened that we need to go to war, that we should reinstate the draft so kids from every family have to participate as they do in Israel. Everyone in the society should be asked to sacrifice to pay for the war including those with all of the money. I think there should be a 40% tax for those making 1 million, a 50% for 2 million and so on till we get to 90% again. Call it a war tax. I think we should actually pay for the war at the time, instead of putting it on the credit card and then later asking people to disband Medicare and Social Security and every other critical program that helps the poor and middle class 10 years later.

I think if we did that, then we would never again partake in unnecessary wars of choice. We wouldn't be invading nations that had not attacked us, and was not a threat to us or their neighbors.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: "Bush put the 1% that was in the military and their families through hell..." and Obama is continuing the operation.

Yes, I agree the Libyan invasion was a war of choice, and will be paid for, not only in dollars, but in loss of regard by the rest of the world.

So then, you are in favor of the austerity measures and rationing that would help pay for these wars? Are you ready for a maximum of 8 gallons of gasoline per week, 1 lb. of sugar, and being taxed on the number of tires you own? Are you willing to sacrifice your grandchildren to a forced draft?

Just because you are poor, doesn't mean you don't have to pull your weight and make sacrifices alongside the rich.

How about a mandatory community service for every single American, regardless of age?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: Austerity measures have been proven to be counterproductive in Europe. Part of the austerity measures they insisted on is higher taxes. Every economist realizes that you can't pay off debt with budget cuts.

I wouldn't mind rationing much since I can get around on my bike and start a "victory Garden to grow a lot of my food, and don't need sugar.

The idea about shared sacrifice is that if everyone had to share equally we wouldn't allow chicken hawks sacrifice our young people so the rich can get richer.

France is moving to a financial transaction tax. Once people realize how hundreds of billions of dollars can be generated relatively painlessly, FTT's will become more popular and will eventually come here also.

We should pay off the debt with phantom wealth not real wealth. http://livingeconomiesforum.org/phantom-...

The Libya action should be a model for future actions. Instead of unilaterally invading a nation illegally we allowed the people of the nation to do all of the fighting. We waited until we were invited to help, had NATO and UN support and support of the Arab States. Then instead of spending trillions and loosing tens of thousands of American lives, we spent a pittance and didn't loose a single soldier.

The key here is that instead of being the cops of the world, and acting like drunken cowboys, we were responsible and helped the international community to avoid a humanitarian bloodbath.

I think a mandatory service would be good. There are a few good things to come from military service, the discipline and training and the comradeship. It is just the killing, having people try to blow you up, and the PTSD that I object to. Lets start with the 15 million unemployed.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: Seriously? You are recommending that we conscript the unemployed into military service? Wow. I'm amazed.

Now the rest of your points.

Austerity measures have to be a balance of tax increases and budget cuts. I'm not sure if it was a typo in your comment, but you pretty much said the same thing. You inferred that tax increases AND budget cuts are bad. So you must have an idea on how to generate 2 to 3 trillion in extra tax revenue/year, without raising taxes.

I'm all in favor of a FTT but the amount of money generated would not be enough to balance the current budget. All wealth in our fiat monetary system is phantom wealth. When you can lose your property for failure to pay ownership taxes, you don't really own anything.

The Libya action was illegal from the start. Obama illegally got the US involved in a war without getting approval from Congress. http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/201... Even the UN resolution that sanctioned the "protection of civilian lives" led to the killing of hundreds of innocents by NATO bombs.

If that is not an example of being the world's cops, along with a cast of the usual suspects, then I don't know what is.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: I am recommending alternative service. I think we should have something like the WPA or the CCC to start to help the chronically unemployed because the free market system and all of the Republicans have written them off.

Austerity measures should include slashing the military to 2001 levels, investing in infrastructure and education to provide jobs now and in the future, and redoing the tax system so it is more progressive to reduce income inequality. Tax reform should provide enough revenue to balance the budget and start paying off our national debt. The best way to do that is to tax Phantom Wealth with a financial transaction tax. This will not cost jobs or slow the economy. A 0.6% automated transaction tax every time any money is moved anywhere would provide enough money to eliminate all federal and state income and sales and excise taxes. http://www.apttax.com/

We should allow all military actions to be done under worldwide control (the UN). We can no longer afford to be the cops of the world and we should shut down most of the 1000 foreign bases and let the other nations care for their own defense working in conjunction with the UN.

The problem with the government being owned by the military industrial complex is that they think war is good business so they instigate war.

1% of any military spending should be dedicated to actively pursuing Peace not War. WE need a Department of Peace. http://www.afdop.org/

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